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Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:13:00 - [31] The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. --
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. I believe ovuer allready stated they are going to look closer into the que problem.But whats the difference you jump into a system and it crashs along with your client.Or systems that are plain stuck.I mean i see it as not letting you into broken systems.Or systems on the very brink of being broken. "OMGZ NEW ALLIANCZ DEFENCE JUST BLOB" While im sure it could probably be pulled of it wont be valid for long.Considering they are planing to spread 0.0 warfare around with constelation sov. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:17:33 Again a QC problem because they are being reactive instead of proactive. I love this game but the haphazard way in which "patches" and updates are deployed will kill it. Don't even get me started on the petition system.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. Yeah thats true actually. As much of a Eve fanboi I am, Ive stopped trusting the patch notes, release dates and stuff like that. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:28:00 - [35] I take the good with the bad. Their CS sucks... but the game kicks ass. Things get really buggy at times, but... if I didn't lose the ship that day, I would've lost it another day. Yeah, I get **ed when the proverbial "" hits the fan, but... despite the lengthy petitions, they still investigate and even reimburse when it's owed. When it comes down to it though, I need another game (worth playing) before I walk away from this one because, despite all the bugs and and what-have-you, I still have more fun in this game than any other I've played. --- --- --- ---** My Sig Is Not Too Big... Eris is the holder of the pink so you get orange for now - Xorus
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:45:16 Originally by: Kurren I take the good with the bad. Their CS sucks... but the game kicks ass. Indeed, the game kicks ass. No argument there. At least it used to, and likely it will yet again. However CCP is a business at the end of every day, and at no time is it excusable for any business to provide poor customer service as a matter of fact, or course of doing business. No matter what an EULA says or implies. This isn't about CCP not trying to do their best, (I believe they are), it is about them not taking a step back, and insuring that they deliver, on time, and on promise. That means having adequate staff, and QC, period.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:50:00 - [37] Hey Jaabaa wouldn't it be nice if they were trying to fix the manpower shortage ASAP? What's with the cyno complaint? It's been said numerous times that being untargetable while making a field was a bug. Now you can be targeted. Cynos are working properly now in that aspect. While cloaks probably should break locking attempts completely, the ship would still have a sensor reading of some sort to lock onto. If anything, it should be possible to fit mods to 'sniff out' cloaked ships nearby. Petitions suck, but reimbursements are most likely bottom of the barrel, like it or not, that's where they'd be in terms of general importance. Stopping exploiters and harassment is a higher priority to most people, stuck petitions are probably answered 2nd in terms of priority (i'd imagine harassment is top). If I don't hear back on a petition after 2 weeks, I accept it being gone, unless it's something extremely hard to replace. It's very likely you're going to hear that the dread isn't coming back if it was something clinet side that they can't verify. ***** about that if you'd like, but would you give someone something whern you have no proof to validate their claims? CCP's problems seem to really stem from lack of manpower. I'd love to see how many people they had working for them this time last year, and how many they have now, with 2-4x the players online, and 2-3x the player totals. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. I said it starting at that patch where they broke CONCORD - QA sucks. The job they're doing is at best poor, and at worst horrendous; I have been thoroughly convinced that you work on the main features of the patch, then say "done!", and never let us test it on Singularity before you go running to deploy it because its necessary to meet the Kali deadline. Oh, and Kitty, at least login to the forums to keep in touch, ffs . We're bringing in Alder tomorrow. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sure, it was explained to everyone after 4 days of forum griefing.. Yet this new "feature" was not included in the original patch notes, was not tested adequately and was inserted as a reactive solution to a bigger problem. Testing = QC btw.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:05:00 - [41] Eve continually changes. Nerfs, buffs, and just plain alterations to game mechanics happen. Expect it. Deal with it. Anyone that can't deal with this should quit. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:27:00 - [42] Everytime I read these forums, I'm sickened by the players that I share this game with. Lets go thru a few things you said. Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 03/09/2006 02:17:37 Cov Ops: Someone started targeting you so you can't cloak. -- WAIT: This was - You are BEING targetted and can cloak ! You ARE targetted and CAN'T cloak ! This has been addressed in multiple places, it's being fixed. You should get yourself informed before you open your mouth. Quote: Cyno Fld: You are now a valid target as soon as you create a cyno field. -- WAIT: This was - Because you have a beacon you have to be targeted before making it to be a valid target. I personally don't see the problem here. Especially in hostile territory. But I also don't have a problem with the old school method either. Quote: Petition reimbursement: 4+ weeks (and still open with no response) -- WAIT: This used to be 7-14 days max. I wonder if that has something to do with all the people petitioning every single loss. Especially capital losses. People need to chill out with the petitions. You take a ship out of station, and lose it, thats the end kid. Give it up. Yes, I know, you have "special" circumstances. Everyone that petitions thinks they do. Most don't actually have anything special. Some lag here, an overview glitch there. Deal with it or log out until it's all better. Quote: So, now to what I have to say based on those few examples. And I feel qualified because I've been playing EVE since beta. -- The devs seem to have lost touch with the game. The new GMs seem to be over loaded. The mechanics change in a patch due to a misunderstanding (????). The petition system, to be brutally honest, now sucks. The petition system is indeed overloaded. See above. Quote: TBH I don't care about EVE China, it's TQ and YOUR paying customers on this server that made it even financially possible. It's nice to know exactly how self centered you are. Saying things like this is a simple way for CCP to dismiss an otherwise valid set of points. (if they are valid) Quote: One of my corp mates has a petition open for a dread loss for FOUR WEEKS now and not a sign of any response. I guess we'll see a "Our logs show nothing" response again. Even though he was killed showing the hostiles at 16.2AU away. Yeah, he went into combat with a dread. Lost it and then petitioned it. I've heard this song before. It's getting old. Quote: CCP, your playerbase has grown over the past 3 years to expect better, and now you are disappointing the hell out of everyone. Not only that, but their player base has grown. Alot. A huge amount. Take that into account. Quote: I'm sure that I'm not the only "vet" (how I hate that expression) that is unhappy with EVE as it stands at the moment. I'm not happy. But I'm not thinking of quiting. The simple answer is to simply relax. You should know by now that CCP will get it fixed. Or they won't and you can quit to your hearts content. Quote: For the total FanBoi's: I've played since beta and payed since release. So I know better days and this is a real call for action in a game that I (or at least used to) enjoy playing. By this point, I'm guessing you think I'm a total fanboi. Well, I'm not. I'm just as unhappy as everyone else. But the differance is that I know that making stupid threats, and whining like a baby without a bottle gets no one anywhere. Do you seriously think that CCP doesn't know whats going on? Seriously? Thats just rediculas. They know, and they are doing what they can to cope. You should too. *Don't take it personal, but you are just one in a long line of forum whiners, Vets in fact, threatening to quit. I wish more of you would just quit and stop making threats we all know you won't follow thru with. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Damon Ra Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sure, it was explained to everyone after 4 days of forum griefing.. Yet this new "feature" was not included in the original patch notes, was not tested adequately and was inserted as a reactive solution to a bigger problem. Testing = QC btw. Right it wasn't tested enough. Afterall there weren't tens of thousands of people on serenity where this code was created, right? Not that you'll make any difference as the problem looked to be TQ centered where it was TQ that kept resetting the %value that would trigger the queue, to be lower that it should've been. You've probably read the dev blog and are just being difficult, if you havent read it, go read it. You can either have a queue and not beable to jump into a system, or you can have no queue, and just be stuck for awhile in said system. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:41:00 - [44] Your forgetting that theres a significant amount of players who wont stay around unless they are spoonfed new content, new ships, new pew pew pew sounds and modules, new explosions. So CCP have to add new content or lose those people. Meanwhile they need to fix bugs which they are attempting to do afaik - theres an entire bug hunter section. If you really really care about the bugs, go on the test server and help find them, duplicate them, send it in and it should get fixed. Cyno fields - only problem I see is the people leaving 10 or more of them outside my station everytime I undock. Its annoying. Invulnerability and warpability are good and promote pvp and tactics imo. Click Me
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:48:00 - [45] Well, the petition system needs to be fixed, but that's mainly from getting VERY strict with petitions. Too many people petition petty things, like the most recent scam, or their power went out, but maybe they can get their ship back. or there is a bit of lag, maybe it's server side, and they can get their ship back. Gotta start banning people who repeatedly waste time with useless petitions, so the real issues can get addressed. As for the Cyno change, Yay for no more reinforced mode for ships. It's like a lot of other items in game, made for groups. You can't take A Freighter into an 0.0 gatecamp and expect it to live, you need an escort. Same with a Cyno pilot. Get him there, defend him, then get him back out. Any mod that makes a player invuln, under any circimstances, is vastly overpowered. CoV Op's is getting fixed back, which it should, it's one of the main reasons for the ships.
Sonos SAGD Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:03:00 - [46] The main problem i see here is that until you have to deal with the problems you read about you really dont care just wait until you lose a faction Battleship because rats are shooting you at 1 au+(ive been shot at but not lost a ship thankfully) how would you like to be in 0.0 your gank squad jump into a system to intercept another gank squad(which is really fun, got my first exp with this thanks to agony) and you get a message that you cannot just due to "lag" in a system that has your gang of 12 and no one else and you get podded. and dont say you should fly what you cant afford to lose, but if it wasn't for the gate you would have lived the cloak change was stupid all you need to do is to spam ctrl on the overview and you can get your self a nice cover ops cloak We as a Eve community wants whats best for EVE good or bad. Sometimes its a double edged sword like jet can flagging and other times it makes the game better as a whole. petitions should be answered in less than a month. we can't just say they are doing the best you can. you wouldn't tollerate your insurance company taking over a month come to your house and look at storm damage. you need to rebuild fast and you are paying for a service. poor service means less customers ----------------------------------------------- I lost 5 sp of skill trainning time during the last patch an i demand that ccp refund it to me
Madcap Magician Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:06:00 - [47] I had almost wrote a lot of angry words, but decided to simplify it. This is the least happy I've ever been with Eve. But I have good people that log on every day and it's my role to help them have fun. The game could blow chunks all day long, but as long as I can call Dray a dirty Scot and beat Tbone with his own shoe, I'm here to stay. I sincerely hope the folks at CCP have a real, tangible, working plan to improve the working state of their hardware and software. Restrictions in the game take away from what Eve is, and it makes me sad to see so many being introduced. Kali is your feature presentation, your main course, so I wish you luck in it's deployment - I'm afraid you'll need it. Come and get some!
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:26:00 - [48] well ignoring the details, the main thing which is worrying and in time will have me cancel my last 2 accounts (already cancled 2) is the slip in attitude of CCP to the tranq players, they seem to listen and care less and less. Due the timing involved its easy enough to blame eve china, as most money will come from there, and TQ is now the ugly step child. Or it could be the case of the growing number base getting to there heads...making them forget WHY eve has gotten so big. But if this aint fixed and quick the server load on TQ wont be a problem..as people will leave in droves. _____ RAM is recruiting
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve continually changes. Nerfs, buffs, and just plain alterations to game mechanics happen. Expect it. Deal with it. Anyone that can't deal with this should quit. QFT,i don't believe the OP has been in eve from the Beta or if do you didn't played the same eve i played .Sorry if that sounds rash but you seem like a carebear complaining . Every **** time we get a patch something gets broken,yes ,so what the devs repair it almost in the 2 weaks after,that isnt new and it will happen again in kali . The question here is how did you survive castor,exodus and all the expansions ,when the S hitted the fan and we had the server rebooting for 2 weaks ,lag,bugs and all off that *. Or maybe i'am tired of people saying that they will leave if X doesn't get fixed because they had a bug,Man if you wanna quit or leave for a month or two just leave ,go to WOW,DAOC,COV,and actually see how the other MMO company's treat you. I became tired off eve one month and went to try all the MMO from the above and i tought,* the devs dont post on the forums WTF is hapenning here?Only the CM post or the crowd control people some game breaking bugs stay for like 2 friking months (druid bug on wow,etc). My answer to your post?Go play WOW and learn has i did what a jewel EVE and the devs truly are in a sea of S**.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:51:00 - [50] To me it seams things started to go downhill after the old ceo left for China. Recruitment
Raquel Smith Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.03 09:08:00 - [51] It's fun to watch people whine about trivial things, keep it up! It's intertaining, especially during downtime. /Fangirl //Cos she pays €15/month, just like you, fanboy.
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.03 09:33:00 - [52] Have ccp like franchised the china cluster? Or did they hire new personell to man the china cluster? cuz if not then that might be part of the problems, there spread over 2 clusters and because the china cluster allready seems to have more subs (atleast that is what i've read) u can guess who ccp will be giving their prioritiy to. Banner will be updated shortly
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Aeaus Fan Boy. You're the type of person that would support any CCP action. Unfortunately the vast majority of players can actually have their own opinions. If their opinion is that customer support should either do the physically impossible or reimburse all ships based on the honor principle, then those opinions are quite worthless. I can at least sympathize with people complaining about more obscure screwups like the cloaking bug, although it's still completely nonsensical to freak out about. But expecting something as elementary as client/server architecture to simply evaporate whenever it inconveniences someone is downright out of this world. Might as well switch over to complaining about a lack of save and exit feature. It's about as likely to ever change in any MMOG.
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:46:00 - [54] I take comfort in the fact that these forums attract at most 5% of the active playerbase. The majority of the minority does not express the general sentiments of the playerbase. As I said in another thread; take a break and come back in a month or two if you're not happy.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:49:00 - [55] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 03/09/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: Death Kill To me it seams things started to go downhill after the old ceo left for China. You know, you have a point here; I actually didn't know he left, that might explain a few things. I think this whole situation calls for a Killer8 flash vid; this situation is too target-rich of an environment for there not to be one soon. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Succoros Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:50:00 - [56] I'm still waiting on that omqbbqwtf yardware bought oh so many months ago to be turned on tbfh. ----------------------------------- Death is more eternal than life. Everyone dies but not everyone lives.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:51:00 - [57] You're an idiot. If you'd have read the dev blog in the first place like everyone else, all you 'points' (if thats what they can be called) have been covered already.
SweatySack F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:03:00 - [58] Hey man. I feel you. Thats why my account is inactive at the moment. Hell, I lost a phoon, put in a petition, quit the game 2 weeks later and just now got a mail saying it was a bug. I miss the game where there were 4 ship types. BS, Cruisers, Frigs, Haulers. Good ol days man. I can not do anything more in this game. I am sorry CCP, but T2 gear killed it. The POS, and system sov just killed the whole game for the vets. You all turned a fast paced PVP game into a slow and boring numbers game.
Lastdon	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Jonis Sinmaker yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. I played this game way back in 03 left due to the fact how bugged and probally 50% of the content wasn't in the game yet. The funny thing about this is CCP hasn't really added or improved that much of the game content they just finally implemented what was originally suppose to be in the game after the developing company went bankrupt. I can't wait till blizzard makes a starcraft mmo.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:09:00 - [60] Quality control is non-existent. Despite what numerous fanboi flamers say, CCP is incapable of fixing bugs and bringing in new content at the same time. CCP should lay off all developers and hire de-buggers in their place. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS. We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.

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