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Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:49:00 - [1] Cov Ops: Someone started targeting you so you can't cloak. -- WAIT: This was - You are targetted and can't cloak ! Cyno Fld: You are now a valid target as soon as you create a cyno field. -- WAIT: This was - Because you have a beacon you have to be targeted before making it to be a valid target. Petition reimbursement: 4+ weeks (and still open with no response) -- WAIT: This used to be 7-14 days max. So, now to what I have to say based on those few examples. And I feel qualified because I've been playing EVE since beta. -- The devs seem to have lost touch with the game. The new GMs seem to be over loaded. The mechanics change in a patch due to a misunderstanding (????). The petition system, to be brutally honest, now sucks. TBH I don't care about EVE China, it's TQ and YOUR paying customers on this server that made it even financially possible. One of my corp mates has a petition open for a dread loss for FOUR WEEKS now and not a sign of any response. I guess we'll see a "Our logs show nothing" response again. Even though he was killed showing the hostiles at 16.2AU away. CCP, your playerbase has grown over the past 3 years to expect better, and now you are disappointing the hell out of everyone. I only know that with (well) over 40 mil SPs and god knows how many billions of ISK in assests, that I'm seriously considering quitting EVE. (Before you ask, my corp m8s and alliance m8s will get dibs on anything I have before any forum ***** says "Can I have your stuff?") I'm sure that I'm not the only "vet" (how I hate that expression) that is unhappy with EVE as it stands at the moment. If you have something you feel you need to throw at CCP please feel free to do so in this thread. For the total FanBoi's: I've played since beta and payed since release. So I know better days and this is a real call for action in a game that I (or at least used to) enjoy playing. -- Mini Skill Planner
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/09/2006 01:53:44 the cyno thing was a bug to begin with afaik, and I think the cloak thing is intentional The only real problem listed above is the petition queue, which I agree is, frankly, rediculous. I've been waiting a couple weeks for one, I think, don't care a whole lot anymore, and probably wont get anything, it's just that I hate the waiting to get any sort of a response. The jump queue also probably qualifies as CCP's worst idea ever (in 0.0, anyway)
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:02:00 - [3] can i have youre stuff
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/09/2006 02:04:16 Originally by: Miss Overlord can i have youre stuff zomgwtfbbqroflcopter, that was so funny....
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Overlord can i have youre stuff Dear n00b dork. I think I might laugh in another lifetime at this one (if you're really lucky). JP -- Mini Skill Planner
Blind Man Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:09:00 - [6] As sad as it is, I agree KilROCK's Forum Assistant
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:11:00 - [7] I agree. GM mails are all the same. "We look into it" or "Our logs dont show anything". The uber hardware didnt help, the constant patching just helps slightly but the main problem is still there and you cant fix it with a new code or patch. I still have the same FPS that I had before DRAGON. The server is dying almost every 2nd day atm and the average players online are cooking the server before it dies till after a reboot. Paying customers expect a working product. It might sound abit harsh but with all the nerfing and patching I start to ask myself if the Devs/GMs/the rest of CCP are playing at all. Ship lovers click here
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:12:00 - [8] can i be your corp mate? but to be serious, gotta agree here partially Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Cattraknoff the cyno thing was a bug to begin with afaik, and I think the cloak thing is intentional I can't find the dev quoute right now, but the cloak thing was "misinterpreted" by QA and will be fixed in a future path (according to a CCP dev). And regarding the being vulnerable with a cyno field, OK, I can live with that, but ONLY if the cyno field DOESN'T show up as a warpable beacon. Originally by: Cattraknoff The jump queue also probably qualifies as CCP's worst idea ever (in 0.0, anyway) I didn't want to touch alliance fleet combat, but this definately ranks up there with CCP's stupidest ideas. "Lets solve jump in lag in fleet battles between alliances" ... "If the system get overloaded >95%, then make them queue up to get wasted at jump in". Yeah, GREAT !!!!!!!!!!! -- Mini Skill Planner
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:16:00 - [10] bump
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime And regarding the being vulnerable with a cyno field, OK, I can live with that, but ONLY if the cyno field DOESN'T show up as a warpable beacon. well, I don't think you should be able to stealth-cyno into a system, so given a choice between the two, the old method would be better. but honestly, I don't like the invulnerability to all but smartbombs thing if you werent locked before making it. I Think you should need a couple escorts guarding you, but to counter how open it leaves you, maybe reduce the time to 4 minutes or so?
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:29:00 - [12] yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:31:00 - [13] Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Jonis Sinmaker yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. well, it'll be a while before I give up hope, but the problems are slowly chipping away at my confidence in CCP. I still think they could fix it.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:37:00 - [15] Cry me a river? Why do you apprantly speak for everyone? -------------- Dang nabit
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:40:00 - [16] It took me a year to finally give in...the game wasn't fun anymore and took to much time out of RL...felt like a second job...then you add on top that the customer service has dropped into the gutter....just bad news all around. I play candyland withmy 3 year old daughter now...way more fun and she says yaaaar every now and then when she beats me...good times. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:41:00 - [17] /signed, I'm not a beta player or an uber vet, but from my time in the game this has been the poorest level of customer satisfaction EVE has ever given me. I thought I'd never say this, but delay Kali and get these bugs and service problems worked out before you cause even more damage to the game. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Cry me a river? Why do you apprantly speak for everyone? Come on buddy grow up. these are valid points that the op has made...if you don't aggree them make your valid points...or do you not have any. Professionalism will take you further in life then acting like a child. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Cahorn Frebet	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:48:00 - [19] The big thing here by the sounds of it is your petition. Waiting that long to get a petition answered is not good customer service, I highly agree with that. I haven't been a full time player, I've played a few months here and there, but since I've resubscribed (as of last month, compared to march I believe was when I was last subscribed) I've noticed a huge increase of active players. These are some growing pains that are bound to happen when your active subcribers increase 50-100%. It is unfortunate that the long term subscribers will feel the pain the worst but we can only hope that they are in the midst of training new GMs to handle the workload. You may think the devs have lost touch with the playerbase but I tend to hop between MMO's and you really don't see Dev responses and writeups like you do with Eve.
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:56:00 - [20] Gee, I sure am glad I don't get devblogs that address all my concerns weekly. Instead I can get on here and incessantly ramble, how awesome. Seriously, get a grip. As for your petition not getting reimbursed due to logs not registering any anomalys, thats exactly what a serverside log is. There's no magic bit of information somewhere that says "Well, actually he warped out, but we just kept him in this grid for giggles", so you'll have to deal. It's part of the freaking crux of playing any online game, and if latency on the internet and the concept of a server and client is just too freaking much for you to keep up with : tough *****. Petitions won't be following the honor system anytime soon. If theres valid indication of a node death, an exploit or similar, you'll get reimbursed - if that's not the case, it can have been any number of factors leading to you lagging out, which aren't even necessarily CCPs responsibility. And this is exactly what their customer service policy states**. They do actually look into these logs well. I've had them come up and give me answers that detail things like jump requests, confirmation/warning dialogs (!), when I attempted and entered warp et cetera. They're thorough alright, but they can't defy the laws of freaking physics either - if I was lagged out for whatever reason, server logs just won't show it. Time to accept a loss and move on.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 03:48:00 - [21] I understand the frustration, but I won't quit EVE until there is something else to move to... LetÆs hope the next patch and all of Kali goes smoother... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
mechtech	Posted - 2006.09.03 04:35:00 - [22] Kali is for many players a chance for CCP to fix the game. CCP, you better not **** up Kali, lots will leave. (and by God, fix the forums! they suck total ass. And while your at it, make sure QA actually knows how to play, no competent eve player could misinterpret the cloak change like this)
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 04:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Testicular Testes Gee, I sure am glad I don't get devblogs that address all my concerns weekly. Instead I can get on here and incessantly ramble, how awesome. Seriously, get a grip. As for your petition not getting reimbursed due to logs not registering any anomalys, thats exactly what a serverside log is. There's no magic bit of information somewhere that says "Well, actually he warped out, but we just kept him in this grid for giggles", so you'll have to deal. It's part of the freaking crux of playing any online game, and if latency on the internet and the concept of a server and client is just too freaking much for you to keep up with : tough *****. Petitions won't be following the honor system anytime soon. If theres valid indication of a node death, an exploit or similar, you'll get reimbursed - if that's not the case, it can have been any number of factors leading to you lagging out, which aren't even necessarily CCPs responsibility. And this is exactly what their customer service policy states. They do actually look into these logs well. I've had them come up and give me answers that detail things like jump requests, confirmation/warning dialogs (!), when I attempted and entered warp et cetera. They're thorough alright, but they can't defy the laws of freaking physics either - if I was lagged out for whatever reason, server logs just won't show it. Time to accept a loss and move on. Fan Boy. You're the type of person that would support any CCP action. Unfortunately the vast majority of players can actually have their own opinions. My Guides**
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:00:00 - [24] /Signed I'm paid up until the begining of Nov. Hopefully, I'll get to see if Kali fixes anything. Right now, I'm really having a hard time finding a reason to log in. Kali will make my decision to give CCP anymore of my cash. --
Kyrkov Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:02:00 - [25] I can say I agree with the op. Altho I cannot say I have the same problems as him, ccp has really let me down. I have only played since march so I don't know much about cyno fields, but I have been trough my share of bugs. For exemple most of the bugs I've found were mission running bugs. I have lost a raven due to being stuck at 95% warp twice now (where the warp loads but the ship doesent warp even after 2 mins)(and not lagging). And on top of that it's been 4 weeks and ccp has not replyed. I finally gave up on them ever doing so. On top of that it seems that if you are warping to a location and hit something as you are about to warp off it slows down your warp bar but instantly warps you to the place, yet you are stuck somewhere inbetween the two not warping and then instantly teleport to your final warp point. (I know it's hard to understand, but lets just say I start warping, stop, my overview loads up full on rats that say they are 128 AU away, then in they teleport to me already locked on and firing.)
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:46:00 - [26] two little bugs slip threw and all of a sudden CCP has lost touch with the community,the game has been going down hill for months,and its all hopeless. Really i don't see what the big problem is.EVE seems to be going threw a bit of ruff times but its not all the nightmare people make it to be. And besides adding new features i don't think kali-1 is going to fix many things(lag&performance).So send me all your stuff guys.The petition issue is the only thing with any kind of merit.And i have to agree it does need some work. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
firepup82 Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:49:00 - [27] I agree 100% Jaabaa.......but I only have half the sp's you do. But I will gell my character if this keeps up.
Bloody Sabbath	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. Thats the problem, the lag makes the server think your ship is back there while you are warping away. Its a server issue and they used to always give you your ship back.. Bloody Sabbath
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Damon Ra Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:02:41 Originally by: xeom two little bugs slip threw and all of a sudden CCP has lost touch with the community, A nerf does not a bug make. Whether intentional or unintentional. the covops? Its been said many tims already it was miss worded or something and will be returning to the old way. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:08:00 - [30] Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple.

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