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Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:49:00 - [1] Cov Ops: Someone started targeting you so you can't cloak. -- WAIT: This was - You are targetted and can't cloak ! Cyno Fld: You are now a valid target as soon as you create a cyno field. -- WAIT: This was - Because you have a beacon you have to be targeted before making it to be a valid target. Petition reimbursement: 4+ weeks (and still open with no response) -- WAIT: This used to be 7-14 days max. So, now to what I have to say based on those few examples. And I feel qualified because I've been playing EVE since beta. -- The devs seem to have lost touch with the game. The new GMs seem to be over loaded. The mechanics change in a patch due to a misunderstanding (????). The petition system, to be brutally honest, now sucks. TBH I don't care about EVE China, it's TQ and YOUR paying customers on this server that made it even financially possible. One of my corp mates has a petition open for a dread loss for FOUR WEEKS now and not a sign of any response. I guess we'll see a "Our logs show nothing" response again. Even though he was killed showing the hostiles at 16.2AU away. CCP, your playerbase has grown over the past 3 years to expect better, and now you are disappointing the hell out of everyone. I only know that with (well) over 40 mil SPs and god knows how many billions of ISK in assests, that I'm seriously considering quitting EVE. (Before you ask, my corp m8s and alliance m8s will get dibs on anything I have before any forum ***** says "Can I have your stuff?") I'm sure that I'm not the only "vet" (how I hate that expression) that is unhappy with EVE as it stands at the moment. If you have something you feel you need to throw at CCP please feel free to do so in this thread. For the total FanBoi's: I've played since beta and payed since release. So I know better days and this is a real call for action in a game that I (or at least used to) enjoy playing. -- Mini Skill Planner
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 01:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/09/2006 01:53:44 the cyno thing was a bug to begin with afaik, and I think the cloak thing is intentional The only real problem listed above is the petition queue, which I agree is, frankly, rediculous. I've been waiting a couple weeks for one, I think, don't care a whole lot anymore, and probably wont get anything, it's just that I hate the waiting to get any sort of a response. The jump queue also probably qualifies as CCP's worst idea ever (in 0.0, anyway)
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:02:00 - [3] can i have youre stuff
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/09/2006 02:04:16 Originally by: Miss Overlord can i have youre stuff zomgwtfbbqroflcopter, that was so funny....
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Overlord can i have youre stuff Dear n00b dork. I think I might laugh in another lifetime at this one (if you're really lucky). JP -- Mini Skill Planner
Blind Man Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:09:00 - [6] As sad as it is, I agree KilROCK's Forum Assistant
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:11:00 - [7] I agree. GM mails are all the same. "We look into it" or "Our logs dont show anything". The uber hardware didnt help, the constant patching just helps slightly but the main problem is still there and you cant fix it with a new code or patch. I still have the same FPS that I had before DRAGON. The server is dying almost every 2nd day atm and the average players online are cooking the server before it dies till after a reboot. Paying customers expect a working product. It might sound abit harsh but with all the nerfing and patching I start to ask myself if the Devs/GMs/the rest of CCP are playing at all. Ship lovers click here
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:12:00 - [8] can i be your corp mate? but to be serious, gotta agree here partially Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Cattraknoff the cyno thing was a bug to begin with afaik, and I think the cloak thing is intentional I can't find the dev quoute right now, but the cloak thing was "misinterpreted" by QA and will be fixed in a future path (according to a CCP dev). And regarding the being vulnerable with a cyno field, OK, I can live with that, but ONLY if the cyno field DOESN'T show up as a warpable beacon. Originally by: Cattraknoff The jump queue also probably qualifies as CCP's worst idea ever (in 0.0, anyway) I didn't want to touch alliance fleet combat, but this definately ranks up there with CCP's stupidest ideas. "Lets solve jump in lag in fleet battles between alliances" ... "If the system get overloaded >95%, then make them queue up to get wasted at jump in". Yeah, GREAT !!!!!!!!!!! -- Mini Skill Planner
Thatch Scallywags	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:16:00 - [10] bump
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime And regarding the being vulnerable with a cyno field, OK, I can live with that, but ONLY if the cyno field DOESN'T show up as a warpable beacon. well, I don't think you should be able to stealth-cyno into a system, so given a choice between the two, the old method would be better. but honestly, I don't like the invulnerability to all but smartbombs thing if you werent locked before making it. I Think you should need a couple escorts guarding you, but to counter how open it leaves you, maybe reduce the time to 4 minutes or so?
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:29:00 - [12] yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:31:00 - [13] Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Jonis Sinmaker yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. well, it'll be a while before I give up hope, but the problems are slowly chipping away at my confidence in CCP. I still think they could fix it.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:37:00 - [15] Cry me a river? Why do you apprantly speak for everyone? -------------- Dang nabit
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:40:00 - [16] It took me a year to finally give in...the game wasn't fun anymore and took to much time out of RL...felt like a second job...then you add on top that the customer service has dropped into the gutter....just bad news all around. I play candyland withmy 3 year old daughter now...way more fun and she says yaaaar every now and then when she beats me...good times. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:41:00 - [17] /signed, I'm not a beta player or an uber vet, but from my time in the game this has been the poorest level of customer satisfaction EVE has ever given me. I thought I'd never say this, but delay Kali and get these bugs and service problems worked out before you cause even more damage to the game. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Jonis Sinmaker Fallout Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Cry me a river? Why do you apprantly speak for everyone? Come on buddy grow up. these are valid points that the op has made...if you don't aggree them make your valid points...or do you not have any. Professionalism will take you further in life then acting like a child. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
Cahorn Frebet	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:48:00 - [19] The big thing here by the sounds of it is your petition. Waiting that long to get a petition answered is not good customer service, I highly agree with that. I haven't been a full time player, I've played a few months here and there, but since I've resubscribed (as of last month, compared to march I believe was when I was last subscribed) I've noticed a huge increase of active players. These are some growing pains that are bound to happen when your active subcribers increase 50-100%. It is unfortunate that the long term subscribers will feel the pain the worst but we can only hope that they are in the midst of training new GMs to handle the workload. You may think the devs have lost touch with the playerbase but I tend to hop between MMO's and you really don't see Dev responses and writeups like you do with Eve.
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.09.03 02:56:00 - [20] Gee, I sure am glad I don't get devblogs that address all my concerns weekly. Instead I can get on here and incessantly ramble, how awesome. Seriously, get a grip. As for your petition not getting reimbursed due to logs not registering any anomalys, thats exactly what a serverside log is. There's no magic bit of information somewhere that says "Well, actually he warped out, but we just kept him in this grid for giggles", so you'll have to deal. It's part of the freaking crux of playing any online game, and if latency on the internet and the concept of a server and client is just too freaking much for you to keep up with : tough *****. Petitions won't be following the honor system anytime soon. If theres valid indication of a node death, an exploit or similar, you'll get reimbursed - if that's not the case, it can have been any number of factors leading to you lagging out, which aren't even necessarily CCPs responsibility. And this is exactly what their customer service policy states**. They do actually look into these logs well. I've had them come up and give me answers that detail things like jump requests, confirmation/warning dialogs (!), when I attempted and entered warp et cetera. They're thorough alright, but they can't defy the laws of freaking physics either - if I was lagged out for whatever reason, server logs just won't show it. Time to accept a loss and move on.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 03:48:00 - [21] I understand the frustration, but I won't quit EVE until there is something else to move to... LetÆs hope the next patch and all of Kali goes smoother... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
mechtech	Posted - 2006.09.03 04:35:00 - [22] Kali is for many players a chance for CCP to fix the game. CCP, you better not **** up Kali, lots will leave. (and by God, fix the forums! they suck total ass. And while your at it, make sure QA actually knows how to play, no competent eve player could misinterpret the cloak change like this)
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 04:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Testicular Testes Gee, I sure am glad I don't get devblogs that address all my concerns weekly. Instead I can get on here and incessantly ramble, how awesome. Seriously, get a grip. As for your petition not getting reimbursed due to logs not registering any anomalys, thats exactly what a serverside log is. There's no magic bit of information somewhere that says "Well, actually he warped out, but we just kept him in this grid for giggles", so you'll have to deal. It's part of the freaking crux of playing any online game, and if latency on the internet and the concept of a server and client is just too freaking much for you to keep up with : tough *****. Petitions won't be following the honor system anytime soon. If theres valid indication of a node death, an exploit or similar, you'll get reimbursed - if that's not the case, it can have been any number of factors leading to you lagging out, which aren't even necessarily CCPs responsibility. And this is exactly what their customer service policy states. They do actually look into these logs well. I've had them come up and give me answers that detail things like jump requests, confirmation/warning dialogs (!), when I attempted and entered warp et cetera. They're thorough alright, but they can't defy the laws of freaking physics either - if I was lagged out for whatever reason, server logs just won't show it. Time to accept a loss and move on. Fan Boy. You're the type of person that would support any CCP action. Unfortunately the vast majority of players can actually have their own opinions. My Guides**
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:00:00 - [24] /Signed I'm paid up until the begining of Nov. Hopefully, I'll get to see if Kali fixes anything. Right now, I'm really having a hard time finding a reason to log in. Kali will make my decision to give CCP anymore of my cash. --
Kyrkov Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:02:00 - [25] I can say I agree with the op. Altho I cannot say I have the same problems as him, ccp has really let me down. I have only played since march so I don't know much about cyno fields, but I have been trough my share of bugs. For exemple most of the bugs I've found were mission running bugs. I have lost a raven due to being stuck at 95% warp twice now (where the warp loads but the ship doesent warp even after 2 mins)(and not lagging). And on top of that it's been 4 weeks and ccp has not replyed. I finally gave up on them ever doing so. On top of that it seems that if you are warping to a location and hit something as you are about to warp off it slows down your warp bar but instantly warps you to the place, yet you are stuck somewhere inbetween the two not warping and then instantly teleport to your final warp point. (I know it's hard to understand, but lets just say I start warping, stop, my overview loads up full on rats that say they are 128 AU away, then in they teleport to me already locked on and firing.)
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:46:00 - [26] two little bugs slip threw and all of a sudden CCP has lost touch with the community,the game has been going down hill for months,and its all hopeless. Really i don't see what the big problem is.EVE seems to be going threw a bit of ruff times but its not all the nightmare people make it to be. And besides adding new features i don't think kali-1 is going to fix many things(lag&performance).So send me all your stuff guys.The petition issue is the only thing with any kind of merit.And i have to agree it does need some work. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
firepup82 Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:49:00 - [27] I agree 100% Jaabaa.......but I only have half the sp's you do. But I will gell my character if this keeps up.
Bloody Sabbath	Posted - 2006.09.03 05:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. Thats the problem, the lag makes the server think your ship is back there while you are warping away. Its a server issue and they used to always give you your ship back.. Bloody Sabbath
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Damon Ra Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:02:41 Originally by: xeom two little bugs slip threw and all of a sudden CCP has lost touch with the community, A nerf does not a bug make. Whether intentional or unintentional. the covops? Its been said many tims already it was miss worded or something and will be returning to the old way. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:08:00 - [30] Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple.
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:13:00 - [31] The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. --
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. I believe ovuer allready stated they are going to look closer into the que problem.But whats the difference you jump into a system and it crashs along with your client.Or systems that are plain stuck.I mean i see it as not letting you into broken systems.Or systems on the very brink of being broken. "OMGZ NEW ALLIANCZ DEFENCE JUST BLOB" While im sure it could probably be pulled of it wont be valid for long.Considering they are planing to spread 0.0 warfare around with constelation sov. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:17:33 Again a QC problem because they are being reactive instead of proactive. I love this game but the haphazard way in which "patches" and updates are deployed will kill it. Don't even get me started on the petition system.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. Yeah thats true actually. As much of a Eve fanboi I am, Ive stopped trusting the patch notes, release dates and stuff like that. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:28:00 - [35] I take the good with the bad. Their CS sucks... but the game kicks ass. Things get really buggy at times, but... if I didn't lose the ship that day, I would've lost it another day. Yeah, I get **ed when the proverbial "" hits the fan, but... despite the lengthy petitions, they still investigate and even reimburse when it's owed. When it comes down to it though, I need another game (worth playing) before I walk away from this one because, despite all the bugs and and what-have-you, I still have more fun in this game than any other I've played. --- --- --- ---** My Sig Is Not Too Big... Eris is the holder of the pink so you get orange for now - Xorus
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Damon Ra on 03/09/2006 06:45:16 Originally by: Kurren I take the good with the bad. Their CS sucks... but the game kicks ass. Indeed, the game kicks ass. No argument there. At least it used to, and likely it will yet again. However CCP is a business at the end of every day, and at no time is it excusable for any business to provide poor customer service as a matter of fact, or course of doing business. No matter what an EULA says or implies. This isn't about CCP not trying to do their best, (I believe they are), it is about them not taking a step back, and insuring that they deliver, on time, and on promise. That means having adequate staff, and QC, period.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:50:00 - [37] Hey Jaabaa wouldn't it be nice if they were trying to fix the manpower shortage ASAP? What's with the cyno complaint? It's been said numerous times that being untargetable while making a field was a bug. Now you can be targeted. Cynos are working properly now in that aspect. While cloaks probably should break locking attempts completely, the ship would still have a sensor reading of some sort to lock onto. If anything, it should be possible to fit mods to 'sniff out' cloaked ships nearby. Petitions suck, but reimbursements are most likely bottom of the barrel, like it or not, that's where they'd be in terms of general importance. Stopping exploiters and harassment is a higher priority to most people, stuck petitions are probably answered 2nd in terms of priority (i'd imagine harassment is top). If I don't hear back on a petition after 2 weeks, I accept it being gone, unless it's something extremely hard to replace. It's very likely you're going to hear that the dread isn't coming back if it was something clinet side that they can't verify. ***** about that if you'd like, but would you give someone something whern you have no proof to validate their claims? CCP's problems seem to really stem from lack of manpower. I'd love to see how many people they had working for them this time last year, and how many they have now, with 2-4x the players online, and 2-3x the player totals. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay The biggest problem? The Dragon update "was not supposed to change gameplay." We wound up with new starter systems, gate queues, login queues, etc., etc. THEN the first fix-the-Dragon patch is coming with even more gameplay chnages. We got Dragon, which made TQ = Serenity, but they forgot to tell us that Serenity was a different gameplay style. I said it starting at that patch where they broke CONCORD - QA sucks. The job they're doing is at best poor, and at worst horrendous; I have been thoroughly convinced that you work on the main features of the patch, then say "done!", and never let us test it on Singularity before you go running to deploy it because its necessary to meet the Kali deadline. Oh, and Kitty, at least login to the forums to keep in touch, ffs . We're bringing in Alder tomorrow. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.09.03 06:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sure, it was explained to everyone after 4 days of forum griefing.. Yet this new "feature" was not included in the original patch notes, was not tested adequately and was inserted as a reactive solution to a bigger problem. Testing = QC btw.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:05:00 - [41] Eve continually changes. Nerfs, buffs, and just plain alterations to game mechanics happen. Expect it. Deal with it. Anyone that can't deal with this should quit. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:27:00 - [42] Everytime I read these forums, I'm sickened by the players that I share this game with. Lets go thru a few things you said. Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 03/09/2006 02:17:37 Cov Ops: Someone started targeting you so you can't cloak. -- WAIT: This was - You are BEING targetted and can cloak ! You ARE targetted and CAN'T cloak ! This has been addressed in multiple places, it's being fixed. You should get yourself informed before you open your mouth. Quote: Cyno Fld: You are now a valid target as soon as you create a cyno field. -- WAIT: This was - Because you have a beacon you have to be targeted before making it to be a valid target. I personally don't see the problem here. Especially in hostile territory. But I also don't have a problem with the old school method either. Quote: Petition reimbursement: 4+ weeks (and still open with no response) -- WAIT: This used to be 7-14 days max. I wonder if that has something to do with all the people petitioning every single loss. Especially capital losses. People need to chill out with the petitions. You take a ship out of station, and lose it, thats the end kid. Give it up. Yes, I know, you have "special" circumstances. Everyone that petitions thinks they do. Most don't actually have anything special. Some lag here, an overview glitch there. Deal with it or log out until it's all better. Quote: So, now to what I have to say based on those few examples. And I feel qualified because I've been playing EVE since beta. -- The devs seem to have lost touch with the game. The new GMs seem to be over loaded. The mechanics change in a patch due to a misunderstanding (????). The petition system, to be brutally honest, now sucks. The petition system is indeed overloaded. See above. Quote: TBH I don't care about EVE China, it's TQ and YOUR paying customers on this server that made it even financially possible. It's nice to know exactly how self centered you are. Saying things like this is a simple way for CCP to dismiss an otherwise valid set of points. (if they are valid) Quote: One of my corp mates has a petition open for a dread loss for FOUR WEEKS now and not a sign of any response. I guess we'll see a "Our logs show nothing" response again. Even though he was killed showing the hostiles at 16.2AU away. Yeah, he went into combat with a dread. Lost it and then petitioned it. I've heard this song before. It's getting old. Quote: CCP, your playerbase has grown over the past 3 years to expect better, and now you are disappointing the hell out of everyone. Not only that, but their player base has grown. Alot. A huge amount. Take that into account. Quote: I'm sure that I'm not the only "vet" (how I hate that expression) that is unhappy with EVE as it stands at the moment. I'm not happy. But I'm not thinking of quiting. The simple answer is to simply relax. You should know by now that CCP will get it fixed. Or they won't and you can quit to your hearts content. Quote: For the total FanBoi's: I've played since beta and payed since release. So I know better days and this is a real call for action in a game that I (or at least used to) enjoy playing. By this point, I'm guessing you think I'm a total fanboi. Well, I'm not. I'm just as unhappy as everyone else. But the differance is that I know that making stupid threats, and whining like a baby without a bottle gets no one anywhere. Do you seriously think that CCP doesn't know whats going on? Seriously? Thats just rediculas. They know, and they are doing what they can to cope. You should too. *Don't take it personal, but you are just one in a long line of forum whiners, Vets in fact, threatening to quit. I wish more of you would just quit and stop making threats we all know you won't follow thru with. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Damon Ra Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Damon Ra Aye, the cloaking "bug" was just plain poor QC. The gate queue however is a nerf, and a really bad one too. Reactive vs. proactive plain and simple. The queuee problem was explained. Nodes are kicking the Que effect on much sooner than it was ment to. Sure, it was explained to everyone after 4 days of forum griefing.. Yet this new "feature" was not included in the original patch notes, was not tested adequately and was inserted as a reactive solution to a bigger problem. Testing = QC btw. Right it wasn't tested enough. Afterall there weren't tens of thousands of people on serenity where this code was created, right? Not that you'll make any difference as the problem looked to be TQ centered where it was TQ that kept resetting the %value that would trigger the queue, to be lower that it should've been. You've probably read the dev blog and are just being difficult, if you havent read it, go read it. You can either have a queue and not beable to jump into a system, or you can have no queue, and just be stuck for awhile in said system. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:41:00 - [44] Your forgetting that theres a significant amount of players who wont stay around unless they are spoonfed new content, new ships, new pew pew pew sounds and modules, new explosions. So CCP have to add new content or lose those people. Meanwhile they need to fix bugs which they are attempting to do afaik - theres an entire bug hunter section. If you really really care about the bugs, go on the test server and help find them, duplicate them, send it in and it should get fixed. Cyno fields - only problem I see is the people leaving 10 or more of them outside my station everytime I undock. Its annoying. Invulnerability and warpability are good and promote pvp and tactics imo. Click Me
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.03 07:48:00 - [45] Well, the petition system needs to be fixed, but that's mainly from getting VERY strict with petitions. Too many people petition petty things, like the most recent scam, or their power went out, but maybe they can get their ship back. or there is a bit of lag, maybe it's server side, and they can get their ship back. Gotta start banning people who repeatedly waste time with useless petitions, so the real issues can get addressed. As for the Cyno change, Yay for no more reinforced mode for ships. It's like a lot of other items in game, made for groups. You can't take A Freighter into an 0.0 gatecamp and expect it to live, you need an escort. Same with a Cyno pilot. Get him there, defend him, then get him back out. Any mod that makes a player invuln, under any circimstances, is vastly overpowered. CoV Op's is getting fixed back, which it should, it's one of the main reasons for the ships.
Sonos SAGD Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:03:00 - [46] The main problem i see here is that until you have to deal with the problems you read about you really dont care just wait until you lose a faction Battleship because rats are shooting you at 1 au+(ive been shot at but not lost a ship thankfully) how would you like to be in 0.0 your gank squad jump into a system to intercept another gank squad(which is really fun, got my first exp with this thanks to agony) and you get a message that you cannot just due to "lag" in a system that has your gang of 12 and no one else and you get podded. and dont say you should fly what you cant afford to lose, but if it wasn't for the gate you would have lived the cloak change was stupid all you need to do is to spam ctrl on the overview and you can get your self a nice cover ops cloak We as a Eve community wants whats best for EVE good or bad. Sometimes its a double edged sword like jet can flagging and other times it makes the game better as a whole. petitions should be answered in less than a month. we can't just say they are doing the best you can. you wouldn't tollerate your insurance company taking over a month come to your house and look at storm damage. you need to rebuild fast and you are paying for a service. poor service means less customers ----------------------------------------------- I lost 5 sp of skill trainning time during the last patch an i demand that ccp refund it to me
Madcap Magician Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:06:00 - [47] I had almost wrote a lot of angry words, but decided to simplify it. This is the least happy I've ever been with Eve. But I have good people that log on every day and it's my role to help them have fun. The game could blow chunks all day long, but as long as I can call Dray a dirty Scot and beat Tbone with his own shoe, I'm here to stay. I sincerely hope the folks at CCP have a real, tangible, working plan to improve the working state of their hardware and software. Restrictions in the game take away from what Eve is, and it makes me sad to see so many being introduced. Kali is your feature presentation, your main course, so I wish you luck in it's deployment - I'm afraid you'll need it. Come and get some!
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:26:00 - [48] well ignoring the details, the main thing which is worrying and in time will have me cancel my last 2 accounts (already cancled 2) is the slip in attitude of CCP to the tranq players, they seem to listen and care less and less. Due the timing involved its easy enough to blame eve china, as most money will come from there, and TQ is now the ugly step child. Or it could be the case of the growing number base getting to there heads...making them forget WHY eve has gotten so big. But if this aint fixed and quick the server load on TQ wont be a problem..as people will leave in droves. _____ RAM is recruiting
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Eve continually changes. Nerfs, buffs, and just plain alterations to game mechanics happen. Expect it. Deal with it. Anyone that can't deal with this should quit. QFT,i don't believe the OP has been in eve from the Beta or if do you didn't played the same eve i played .Sorry if that sounds rash but you seem like a carebear complaining . Every **** time we get a patch something gets broken,yes ,so what the devs repair it almost in the 2 weaks after,that isnt new and it will happen again in kali . The question here is how did you survive castor,exodus and all the expansions ,when the S hitted the fan and we had the server rebooting for 2 weaks ,lag,bugs and all off that *. Or maybe i'am tired of people saying that they will leave if X doesn't get fixed because they had a bug,Man if you wanna quit or leave for a month or two just leave ,go to WOW,DAOC,COV,and actually see how the other MMO company's treat you. I became tired off eve one month and went to try all the MMO from the above and i tought,* the devs dont post on the forums WTF is hapenning here?Only the CM post or the crowd control people some game breaking bugs stay for like 2 friking months (druid bug on wow,etc). My answer to your post?Go play WOW and learn has i did what a jewel EVE and the devs truly are in a sea of S**.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 08:51:00 - [50] To me it seams things started to go downhill after the old ceo left for China. Recruitment
Raquel Smith Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.03 09:08:00 - [51] It's fun to watch people whine about trivial things, keep it up! It's intertaining, especially during downtime. /Fangirl //Cos she pays €15/month, just like you, fanboy.
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.03 09:33:00 - [52] Have ccp like franchised the china cluster? Or did they hire new personell to man the china cluster? cuz if not then that might be part of the problems, there spread over 2 clusters and because the china cluster allready seems to have more subs (atleast that is what i've read) u can guess who ccp will be giving their prioritiy to. Banner will be updated shortly
Testicular Testes	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Aeaus Fan Boy. You're the type of person that would support any CCP action. Unfortunately the vast majority of players can actually have their own opinions. If their opinion is that customer support should either do the physically impossible or reimburse all ships based on the honor principle, then those opinions are quite worthless. I can at least sympathize with people complaining about more obscure screwups like the cloaking bug, although it's still completely nonsensical to freak out about. But expecting something as elementary as client/server architecture to simply evaporate whenever it inconveniences someone is downright out of this world. Might as well switch over to complaining about a lack of save and exit feature. It's about as likely to ever change in any MMOG.
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:46:00 - [54] I take comfort in the fact that these forums attract at most 5% of the active playerbase. The majority of the minority does not express the general sentiments of the playerbase. As I said in another thread; take a break and come back in a month or two if you're not happy.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:49:00 - [55] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 03/09/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: Death Kill To me it seams things started to go downhill after the old ceo left for China. You know, you have a point here; I actually didn't know he left, that might explain a few things. I think this whole situation calls for a Killer8 flash vid; this situation is too target-rich of an environment for there not to be one soon. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Succoros Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:50:00 - [56] I'm still waiting on that omqbbqwtf yardware bought oh so many months ago to be turned on tbfh. ----------------------------------- Death is more eternal than life. Everyone dies but not everyone lives.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.09.03 10:51:00 - [57] You're an idiot. If you'd have read the dev blog in the first place like everyone else, all you 'points' (if thats what they can be called) have been covered already.
SweatySack F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:03:00 - [58] Hey man. I feel you. Thats why my account is inactive at the moment. Hell, I lost a phoon, put in a petition, quit the game 2 weeks later and just now got a mail saying it was a bug. I miss the game where there were 4 ship types. BS, Cruisers, Frigs, Haulers. Good ol days man. I can not do anything more in this game. I am sorry CCP, but T2 gear killed it. The POS, and system sov just killed the whole game for the vets. You all turned a fast paced PVP game into a slow and boring numbers game.
Lastdon	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Jonis Sinmaker yeah...and this is why I left the game last week. CCP has turned a once great game into a bag of ass. I have been playing even since beta and I have put up with a lot of changes and the newest ones are complete ****. They have given in and done what they said they would never do....they pacified the whiners who want things easy and they've made cheap fixes to their game problems. I had high hopes for this game when it started and for a while it was going on the right path...well I guess corporate life got the best of them. I played this game way back in 03 left due to the fact how bugged and probally 50% of the content wasn't in the game yet. The funny thing about this is CCP hasn't really added or improved that much of the game content they just finally implemented what was originally suppose to be in the game after the developing company went bankrupt. I can't wait till blizzard makes a starcraft mmo.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:09:00 - [60] Quality control is non-existent. Despite what numerous fanboi flamers say, CCP is incapable of fixing bugs and bringing in new content at the same time. CCP should lay off all developers and hire de-buggers in their place. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS. We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
var'ulfur Caldari blackwater	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:09:00 - [61] Well i too have been here since the eve god put this game into this waiting world. no i dont make cryo feilds or run amok in 0.0 space. not realy a fan boy either,but what most of the people who post here with this needs to be fixed now line cant grasp>>>>>>>> is this game has millions of lines of code and not just that hardware software isp hookups the list gose on and on. the game itself is a wonder that it works at all. Ive played i think every game that can be played online, and 90% are just the grind thats it. EvE gives me the one thing that no other game can match(a choice) this game is open to almost every style of game play. not a game out thier gives you the number of choices eve dose..... In closing like in real life thier are people that hanky stomp and seem to think that things should change just for them. And thier is the silent majority that like somthing so dont come here to post. IF you think im wrong when you log on look at how many are online,when it all started 4k was like wow alot on . now its 26to 28k and growing i think more than anything eles that says it all talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Price Watcher Quality control is non-existent. Despite what numerous fanboi flamers say, CCP is incapable of fixing bugs and bringing in new content at the same time. CCP should lay off all developers and hire de-buggers in their place. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:19:00 - [63] It's a rough patch (ahahaha pun!) to be sure, and people's concernes are pretty understandable, no doubt about it. But it seems more than likely that it's just that: A temporary drop in quality, and I think that too is understanable. CCP messed up a little combined with some bad luck and narked some people off. If you're the sort that can't put up with ups and downs then I can't see that you're the sort that will enjoy Eve greatly And regarding the petition system (and to be careful here I am NOT pointing the finger at LV, I know this goes on in all corps and alliances equally) I remember several times, when I was in Lotka, people advising others to petition losses that wern't really worthy of a petion (which it was plain for everyone to see) just on the off chance of compensation. While I know the petition system should be better and CCP are partly to blame, other factors in this include the network issues outside of CCP's control and players who are a little to eager to petition almost anything. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Tau Elder	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:22:00 - [64] The Devs made the same mistake I have seen every mmorpg make. You can not test new code on a "virgin" database and get the bugs out. You need to duplicate the database in use and test with it. The dynamics of a game this diverse leads to unanticipated code operations. The other stuff is a matter of having a code editor to monitor the mistakes and such that occur in all games, Spellings and that kind of stuff.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:38:00 - [65] I won't speak to CCP defence, most often testing or QC is the 1st thing to get taken away when budget or planning is tight. However to assume that there is no QC or testing is absurd. If there was no QC of any kind, Eve-online would have never made it pass Beta-stage, or the existence of Singularity. In the grand scheme of things, there are other problems which players/users do not see that take precedence. Some times short terms solutions are sufficient, because it guys time for a proper long term solution to appear. The Dragon code showed clearly that there are more things planned than what the users are told. The queue system was installed but supposedly not turned on, this is a indication that CCP is actually doing something about problems. Also anyone expecting a instant fix solution for every single bug there is, will find Eve to be in more trouble than it is now. What CCP is facing is a graduelly detroration of services, resulting from the hope that you can do more for the same amount of resources. They are recruiting more GMs, they just had a massive hardware upgrade several months ago, and they are hiring more people. It is clear there is a problem....but I think what the community needs is to see a plan of action to remendy them. ------------------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Astarte Nosferatu House Nosferatu Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:49:00 - [66] Originally by: SweatySack Hey man. I feel you. Thats why my account is inactive at the moment. Hell, I lost a phoon, put in a petition, quit the game 2 weeks later and just now got a mail saying it was a bug. I miss the game where there were 4 ship types. BS, Cruisers, Frigs, Haulers. Good ol days man. I can not do anything more in this game. I am sorry CCP, but T2 gear killed it. The POS, and system sov just killed the whole game for the vets. You all turned a fast paced PVP game into a slow and boring numbers game. I actually hoped the game would stay the same content wise for at least two years when I started playing in 2003. We get content throw at us before we have the chance to truely adapt to the content we got a few months earlier.
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:54:00 - [67] Not signed. An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.03 12:24:00 - [68] The cyno field bug is a bad one.Podded a vexor last night while he was making cynofield and he did not do anything fire or run so i dont know if he couldnt or he was running 2 accounts or something but whatever it is unfair atm cause everyone knows exactly where ur and can warp to at 15km in a few seconds. Lets hope 5th septemnber patch fixes it.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:12:00 - [69] Been playing since Beta. The QA and configuration management that CCP uses has always sucked. New patchs bring back old problems, why, because the coder is not using the current code revision but an old one with the old bugs. The best indicator that CCP cannot get its act together is that the "fix" patch for dragon is now set for it third deployment day, and we are still wondering if it is going to happen. It does appear that CCP's bid for China is hurting the current player base. I say that because I see less exchanges between the devs and the player base. That was one of the out standing things about EVE, that the dev's actually would talk with the player base. It did not mean you got what you wanted but at lease you knew that they understood the problems. It appears that Eve is loosing that, and if it does, that is the real shame in all of this. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Tito Taneki Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:14:00 - [70] Edited by: Tito Taneki on 03/09/2006 13:15:18 Originally by: Zhaine But it seems more than likely that it's just that: A temporary drop in quality. Yes, that's how I see it, too. At least they still listen to us and try to solve current problems. If they sold out eve to earn fast money by pushing out new content with out working on issues that the players have, who are already a bit longer in the game, then it would be time to leave for me. That the 'buggy' cloaking device behaviour slipped through QA shows either that the QA-people are not aware, how it's supposed to be, because they never played a covert ops pilot in 0.0, or that it just wasn't tested under conditions that come close to typical scenarios on the retail server, when covert ops meets enemy. I assume the last. Imho gate bubbeling with mobile warp disruptors or interdictors would be overpowered, if a covert ops, that jumps in to scout the camp, died automatically due to being unable to cloak, because some cruiser or so just attempts to lock you. In the past before that 'buggy' patch, it was a matter of luck and experienced intie-pilots to catch a covert that jumped into a bubble and I think that's how it's supposed to be. About cynofields: The new situation means that you have to guard the cyno pilot, which makes it more difficult to move capital ships in general, because you require more than just the capital pilot and cyno pilot. Maybe they really want that you need to form a cyno gang or fleet. Don't know, if it's bad, but it makes things more difficult. Maybe a bit over the top. --------- Plutoinum
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:36:00 - [71] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 03/09/2006 13:43:46 Frankly, I couldn;t care less about any single silly bug. Nor am I worried about four weeks queues. Neither is going to upset me because I already don't care anymore. Some time ago I posted some posts that came down to accusing CCP of not just ***** up with too great regularity, but also accused them of being incincere. Oveur came along and kicked my ass, and while doing so convinced me I might have been wrong when I took the promises on the boons that would be ours after: - the yardware upgrades - kali - the china cluster beta (no more leakage of resources from tq to serenity) - the re-focus on the basic promises of Eve Online: player created content, power to the players to affect eachother meaningfully. - less halfassed implementations of new stuff, to subsequently be thrown aside in favour of newer stuff that brings in more nice interview quotes and new subs, .. and added theose boons up before putting them through the 'CCP bull translator" and coming up with a prediction that the hardware upgrade would do where it's important, that Kali would end up an empty shell of pve content and halfassed new features that would also not hit us before october (wait and see, I'll be right), that we'd continue to see an unexplainably slow development rate on TQ when seeing how CCP has expanded, has more resources and has thrown all kinds of fantastic ideas at us that 'would probably make it in some form', or something. That there'll be no fixes for local, instas, isk and other reward balance issues and the lacking regionalisation of Eve, that there'll still be be no fixes for important stuff months after it was introduced as "hot and new" (carriers, titans, but also the new manufacturing system and other things) He convinced me again that CCP aren't going mainstream, and that their key values on which gameplay should be based haven't changed. That they will continue to develop Eve at an accelerating pace, and that there'd be more attention for delivering complete feature sets instead of making promises that aren't made good on. Well, I now put it to you and to Oveur that that was utter bull** once again. There is no sincerity. Not when it comes to the so called "correction after the fiasco called exodus", there is no correction, there is no balanced gameplay, there is nothing left to play this game for except social reasons. No challenge, no emotional involvement, and most certainly no hope of progress coming from CCP. I used to shout at people that said Eve was a stagnating game. I no longer will, I think they're right. I actually think Eve has had it's best days. Others will disagree, but then again, they play and seek to play, a different game. Rod Blaine is on holiday, I'm replacing for the moment
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Ginger Magician The cyno field bug is a bad one.Podded a vexor last night while he was making cynofield and he did not do anything fire or run so i dont know if he couldnt or he was running 2 accounts or something but whatever it is unfair atm cause everyone knows exactly where ur and can warp to at 15km in a few seconds. Lets hope 5th septemnber patch fixes it. And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? The only people this 'bug fixed code' hurts are the people like me who use alts to set up a cyno so they can move their capitals around solo. Thats a good thing even if as I said, it will hurt me, because it improves chances for PvP and makes moving a capital ship around with an alt a little more dangerous and exciting. Click Me
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:46:00 - [73] My issue isn't directly with the current patch as such, I've seen enough of them and CCP's dedication and effort to fix them asap. It's just that the current gaming experience in EVE appears to be going down hill. I'm not sure if it's the cluster, the software or the network that can't support the current numbers, that is something only CCP can really know. As to cyno fields, if you can get targetted with an active field, then it should be changed to work like a probe/bubble launcher. Fire off a cyno field and then you can fly away if need be. I am well aware that CCP has recognized the cloak issue as being broken, the issue I have is the comment that "it will get fixed at some point". Cov ops is a really crucial element now in 0.0 alliance warfare, not to mention the ISK value of the module alone. Basically, the current trend is not exactly very promising, I too will be basing my decision wether to stay or leave on the Kali patch. I hope it will revive some of the older principles of EVE as a PVP game and not as an economics simulation. -- Mini Skill Planner
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:50:00 - [74] Originally by: Infinity Ziona And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? Cyo fields can still appear on scanner or whatever, but the warp to option is just stupid. Recruitment
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:59:00 - [75] Sure sometimes people screw up. But at least give them some time to make up for it. You ain't helping them by constant drama on the forums. CCP is running a three ring circus here. Too much work on hand taking its toll and getting rid of it isn't as easy as they hoped it would be. After all this is a game. Don't take it so serious.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.09.03 14:57:00 - [76] Originally by: fuze After all this is a game. Don't take it so serious. The problem is that we are paying for a service that has degraded in quality drastically. We have every right to complain and we are not going away any time soon. We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Shao Lyn	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:00:00 - [77] If the cyno generator ship is targetable, then at least let the ship be able to activate modules amd lock targets. By making the generation ship a "sitting duck" is what makes it "unfair". Either give them cloak protection (untargetable) or better yet untie the cyno field mod coding from the cloak coding and let them use their mods, systems, and sensors. HAving them with 0 mps is just fine.
Matikus	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:38:00 - [78] Blah blah blah, can I have your stuff?
Carmen Estiete Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:40:00 - [79] I don't know why, but all of this compaining seems rather useless. Granted, the arguments are good ones, and the quality may be degrading in some areas, but here's the deal. All of the arguments about bugs I've seen thus far are about PvP elements that make certain parts of PvP vital. Already the Cyno field issue has been adressed, gaurd your scynosural ships when routing capital vessels. But there are still more, cloaking is broken, but hey, in the end not very many people post on the forums (in comparison with the many, many people playing EVE actively). They know just as much about the cloaking bug as you do, they know just about as much about EVERY BUG IN THE GAME as you do. I'm not going to say that CCP hasn't made a bit of trouble for itself, and I'm not going to say that with a growth in size doesn't come some form of neglect or another, and I'm not sayying that CCP's strategy of releasing new content instead of fixing current content isn't rather short-sighted an idea. What I will say, is that there are thousands more people who play the game and find ways to compensate for the prolems with EVE. MMOs are for people with OCD, and if someone has an obsessive compulsive urge to eat with the same dishes for breakfast without ever washing them, then they're going to use those dishes for the rest of their lives. The same principal can apply to EVE, people can stop being OCD sometimes when something cripplingly powerful happens in their lives. in EVE's case, people will stop playing when CCP does something to majorly screw up. We can throw **** onto Kali, and onto everything they plan to do, but the fact of the matter is CCP doesn't have to fix every bug that you find in their game. Sure, I'd like for all of the bugs to be fixed, but if you're not willing to swallow your gorde and learn to compensate for the problems this game causes, then you'll leave, and other people who ARE will fill in the gap. In other words, sour grapes -.- ________________________________________________ "Oh me? I carebear."
Mr Happ Gallente Hellbound Saints	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:52:00 - [80] signed CCP needs to pull there finger out there ass and start fixing things And to all these idiots who keep saying it's just a game, yeh it would be if we just payed a 1 time fee for the actual game, but with the cost of what we are playing with as many people as we have with multiple accounts - God damn they should be able to fix this stuff We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Whalesaver mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:21:00 - [81] /signed. If the countless bugs are not fixed, prior to introducing even more content, my two accounts will be dropped. Server stability sucks, I do not have twenty hours a week to play, so extended downtimes and server reboots are killing my desire to play. ----------------------- Doesn't shoot first Will ask questions later And enjoys a nice cup of tea
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Infinity Ziona And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? Cyo fields can still appear on scanner or whatever, but the warp to option is just stupid. How about no? All it would take is someone to make a SS somewhere a couple hundred AU out from the nearest object, and the enemy will jump into your system and you'll never stop it. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Contralto Gallente Binary Fringe inc	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:23:00 - [83] I live in a country where it is regarded as demeaning to complain about anything, just grin (Literally) and bear it, this is wonderful for the casual tourists who cruise thro on there vacations but deep down the service provided by government agencies and retail suppliers is abysmal. My Isp for instance loses connection hourly and sometimes for several hours, But no one complains! result nothing improves! Thus the so called Whiners and quitters are doing the silent uncomplaining masses a service! CCP are reading this thread and will im sure be influenced by it even if in a small way, If all were silent then how would they get a feel for the current players opinions of the state of play. my 2 cents worth
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:04:00 - [84] EvE has suffered a little from its own success, but to be quite frank the Devs are doing a good job and dont deserve half the whining they get on a daily basis. Pettition times are horrible, but look up a few posts and you'll see they are hiring more GM's(and to take on more GM's is a fair increase in their overheads. No light thing for a company to take on) All that really needs doing on the petition side is better logging tools so players get more proof to back up their petitions. As for patch errors, its a complex game (an old one at that) and the Devs are only human.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:18:00 - [85] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/09/2006 17:18:39 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia How about no? All it would take is someone to make a SS somewhere a couple hundred AU out from the nearest object, and the enemy will jump into your system and you'll never stop it. And? OMGWEHAVEHOSTILES FLEEE!!!! Recruitment
Basileus	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:21:00 - [86] Justified rant by the OP. Hella signed.
Evol1 J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:50:00 - [87] You know, I'd help on testing on SiSi, but no, says my account is suspended. Never been on SiSi before, so no friggin idea what that's all about. I'd take up their offer of helping by way of ISD or being a GM. Too bad I live in the US, apparently that makes me not worth a **** for their time. So what do you do? I just log in and change skills. At least the game doesn't freeze up like it did a few weeks ago, but I'm on week four of two petitions for just that, and quite frankly, I'm just going to wait and see.
tadig smik Taintclan Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 18:02:00 - [88] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. I have warped from a belt to a station and still had the rats locked on, firing and hitting me from several AU away. Didn't check the scanner but they were still in my overview.

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