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var'ulfur Caldari blackwater	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:09:00 - [61] Well i too have been here since the eve god put this game into this waiting world. no i dont make cryo feilds or run amok in 0.0 space. not realy a fan boy either,but what most of the people who post here with this needs to be fixed now line cant grasp>>>>>>>> is this game has millions of lines of code and not just that hardware software isp hookups the list gose on and on. the game itself is a wonder that it works at all. Ive played i think every game that can be played online, and 90% are just the grind thats it. EvE gives me the one thing that no other game can match(a choice) this game is open to almost every style of game play. not a game out thier gives you the number of choices eve dose..... In closing like in real life thier are people that hanky stomp and seem to think that things should change just for them. And thier is the silent majority that like somthing so dont come here to post. IF you think im wrong when you log on look at how many are online,when it all started 4k was like wow alot on . now its 26to 28k and growing i think more than anything eles that says it all talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Price Watcher Quality control is non-existent. Despite what numerous fanboi flamers say, CCP is incapable of fixing bugs and bringing in new content at the same time. CCP should lay off all developers and hire de-buggers in their place. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:19:00 - [63] It's a rough patch (ahahaha pun!) to be sure, and people's concernes are pretty understandable, no doubt about it. But it seems more than likely that it's just that: A temporary drop in quality, and I think that too is understanable. CCP messed up a little combined with some bad luck and narked some people off. If you're the sort that can't put up with ups and downs then I can't see that you're the sort that will enjoy Eve greatly And regarding the petition system (and to be careful here I am NOT pointing the finger at LV, I know this goes on in all corps and alliances equally) I remember several times, when I was in Lotka, people advising others to petition losses that wern't really worthy of a petion (which it was plain for everyone to see) just on the off chance of compensation. While I know the petition system should be better and CCP are partly to blame, other factors in this include the network issues outside of CCP's control and players who are a little to eager to petition almost anything. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Tau Elder	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:22:00 - [64] The Devs made the same mistake I have seen every mmorpg make. You can not test new code on a "virgin" database and get the bugs out. You need to duplicate the database in use and test with it. The dynamics of a game this diverse leads to unanticipated code operations. The other stuff is a matter of having a code editor to monitor the mistakes and such that occur in all games, Spellings and that kind of stuff.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:38:00 - [65] I won't speak to CCP defence, most often testing or QC is the 1st thing to get taken away when budget or planning is tight. However to assume that there is no QC or testing is absurd. If there was no QC of any kind, Eve-online would have never made it pass Beta-stage, or the existence of Singularity. In the grand scheme of things, there are other problems which players/users do not see that take precedence. Some times short terms solutions are sufficient, because it guys time for a proper long term solution to appear. The Dragon code showed clearly that there are more things planned than what the users are told. The queue system was installed but supposedly not turned on, this is a indication that CCP is actually doing something about problems. Also anyone expecting a instant fix solution for every single bug there is, will find Eve to be in more trouble than it is now. What CCP is facing is a graduelly detroration of services, resulting from the hope that you can do more for the same amount of resources. They are recruiting more GMs, they just had a massive hardware upgrade several months ago, and they are hiring more people. It is clear there is a problem....but I think what the community needs is to see a plan of action to remendy them. ------------------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Astarte Nosferatu House Nosferatu Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:49:00 - [66] Originally by: SweatySack Hey man. I feel you. Thats why my account is inactive at the moment. Hell, I lost a phoon, put in a petition, quit the game 2 weeks later and just now got a mail saying it was a bug. I miss the game where there were 4 ship types. BS, Cruisers, Frigs, Haulers. Good ol days man. I can not do anything more in this game. I am sorry CCP, but T2 gear killed it. The POS, and system sov just killed the whole game for the vets. You all turned a fast paced PVP game into a slow and boring numbers game. I actually hoped the game would stay the same content wise for at least two years when I started playing in 2003. We get content throw at us before we have the chance to truely adapt to the content we got a few months earlier.
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 11:54:00 - [67] Not signed. An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.03 12:24:00 - [68] The cyno field bug is a bad one.Podded a vexor last night while he was making cynofield and he did not do anything fire or run so i dont know if he couldnt or he was running 2 accounts or something but whatever it is unfair atm cause everyone knows exactly where ur and can warp to at 15km in a few seconds. Lets hope 5th septemnber patch fixes it.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:12:00 - [69] Been playing since Beta. The QA and configuration management that CCP uses has always sucked. New patchs bring back old problems, why, because the coder is not using the current code revision but an old one with the old bugs. The best indicator that CCP cannot get its act together is that the "fix" patch for dragon is now set for it third deployment day, and we are still wondering if it is going to happen. It does appear that CCP's bid for China is hurting the current player base. I say that because I see less exchanges between the devs and the player base. That was one of the out standing things about EVE, that the dev's actually would talk with the player base. It did not mean you got what you wanted but at lease you knew that they understood the problems. It appears that Eve is loosing that, and if it does, that is the real shame in all of this. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Tito Taneki Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:14:00 - [70] Edited by: Tito Taneki on 03/09/2006 13:15:18 Originally by: Zhaine But it seems more than likely that it's just that: A temporary drop in quality. Yes, that's how I see it, too. At least they still listen to us and try to solve current problems. If they sold out eve to earn fast money by pushing out new content with out working on issues that the players have, who are already a bit longer in the game, then it would be time to leave for me. That the 'buggy' cloaking device behaviour slipped through QA shows either that the QA-people are not aware, how it's supposed to be, because they never played a covert ops pilot in 0.0, or that it just wasn't tested under conditions that come close to typical scenarios on the retail server, when covert ops meets enemy. I assume the last. Imho gate bubbeling with mobile warp disruptors or interdictors would be overpowered, if a covert ops, that jumps in to scout the camp, died automatically due to being unable to cloak, because some cruiser or so just attempts to lock you. In the past before that 'buggy' patch, it was a matter of luck and experienced intie-pilots to catch a covert that jumped into a bubble and I think that's how it's supposed to be. About cynofields: The new situation means that you have to guard the cyno pilot, which makes it more difficult to move capital ships in general, because you require more than just the capital pilot and cyno pilot. Maybe they really want that you need to form a cyno gang or fleet. Don't know, if it's bad, but it makes things more difficult. Maybe a bit over the top. --------- Plutoinum
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:36:00 - [71] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 03/09/2006 13:43:46 Frankly, I couldn;t care less about any single silly bug. Nor am I worried about four weeks queues. Neither is going to upset me because I already don't care anymore. Some time ago I posted some posts that came down to accusing CCP of not just ***** up with too great regularity, but also accused them of being incincere. Oveur came along and kicked my ass, and while doing so convinced me I might have been wrong when I took the promises on the boons that would be ours after: - the yardware upgrades - kali - the china cluster beta (no more leakage of resources from tq to serenity) - the re-focus on the basic promises of Eve Online: player created content, power to the players to affect eachother meaningfully. - less halfassed implementations of new stuff, to subsequently be thrown aside in favour of newer stuff that brings in more nice interview quotes and new subs, .. and added theose boons up before putting them through the 'CCP bull translator" and coming up with a prediction that the hardware upgrade would do where it's important, that Kali would end up an empty shell of pve content and halfassed new features that would also not hit us before october (wait and see, I'll be right), that we'd continue to see an unexplainably slow development rate on TQ when seeing how CCP has expanded, has more resources and has thrown all kinds of fantastic ideas at us that 'would probably make it in some form', or something. That there'll be no fixes for local, instas, isk and other reward balance issues and the lacking regionalisation of Eve, that there'll still be be no fixes for important stuff months after it was introduced as "hot and new" (carriers, titans, but also the new manufacturing system and other things) He convinced me again that CCP aren't going mainstream, and that their key values on which gameplay should be based haven't changed. That they will continue to develop Eve at an accelerating pace, and that there'd be more attention for delivering complete feature sets instead of making promises that aren't made good on. Well, I now put it to you and to Oveur that that was utter bull** once again. There is no sincerity. Not when it comes to the so called "correction after the fiasco called exodus", there is no correction, there is no balanced gameplay, there is nothing left to play this game for except social reasons. No challenge, no emotional involvement, and most certainly no hope of progress coming from CCP. I used to shout at people that said Eve was a stagnating game. I no longer will, I think they're right. I actually think Eve has had it's best days. Others will disagree, but then again, they play and seek to play, a different game. Rod Blaine is on holiday, I'm replacing for the moment
Infinity Ziona Feet Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Ginger Magician The cyno field bug is a bad one.Podded a vexor last night while he was making cynofield and he did not do anything fire or run so i dont know if he couldnt or he was running 2 accounts or something but whatever it is unfair atm cause everyone knows exactly where ur and can warp to at 15km in a few seconds. Lets hope 5th septemnber patch fixes it. And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? The only people this 'bug fixed code' hurts are the people like me who use alts to set up a cyno so they can move their capitals around solo. Thats a good thing even if as I said, it will hurt me, because it improves chances for PvP and makes moving a capital ship around with an alt a little more dangerous and exciting. Click Me
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:46:00 - [73] My issue isn't directly with the current patch as such, I've seen enough of them and CCP's dedication and effort to fix them asap. It's just that the current gaming experience in EVE appears to be going down hill. I'm not sure if it's the cluster, the software or the network that can't support the current numbers, that is something only CCP can really know. As to cyno fields, if you can get targetted with an active field, then it should be changed to work like a probe/bubble launcher. Fire off a cyno field and then you can fly away if need be. I am well aware that CCP has recognized the cloak issue as being broken, the issue I have is the comment that "it will get fixed at some point". Cov ops is a really crucial element now in 0.0 alliance warfare, not to mention the ISK value of the module alone. Basically, the current trend is not exactly very promising, I too will be basing my decision wether to stay or leave on the Kali patch. I hope it will revive some of the older principles of EVE as a PVP game and not as an economics simulation. -- Mini Skill Planner
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:50:00 - [74] Originally by: Infinity Ziona And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? Cyo fields can still appear on scanner or whatever, but the warp to option is just stupid. Recruitment
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.03 13:59:00 - [75] Sure sometimes people screw up. But at least give them some time to make up for it. You ain't helping them by constant drama on the forums. CCP is running a three ring circus here. Too much work on hand taking its toll and getting rid of it isn't as easy as they hoped it would be. After all this is a game. Don't take it so serious.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.09.03 14:57:00 - [76] Originally by: fuze After all this is a game. Don't take it so serious. The problem is that we are paying for a service that has degraded in quality drastically. We have every right to complain and we are not going away any time soon. We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Shao Lyn	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:00:00 - [77] If the cyno generator ship is targetable, then at least let the ship be able to activate modules amd lock targets. By making the generation ship a "sitting duck" is what makes it "unfair". Either give them cloak protection (untargetable) or better yet untie the cyno field mod coding from the cloak coding and let them use their mods, systems, and sensors. HAving them with 0 mps is just fine.
Matikus	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:38:00 - [78] Blah blah blah, can I have your stuff?
Carmen Estiete Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:40:00 - [79] I don't know why, but all of this compaining seems rather useless. Granted, the arguments are good ones, and the quality may be degrading in some areas, but here's the deal. All of the arguments about bugs I've seen thus far are about PvP elements that make certain parts of PvP vital. Already the Cyno field issue has been adressed, gaurd your scynosural ships when routing capital vessels. But there are still more, cloaking is broken, but hey, in the end not very many people post on the forums (in comparison with the many, many people playing EVE actively). They know just as much about the cloaking bug as you do, they know just about as much about EVERY BUG IN THE GAME as you do. I'm not going to say that CCP hasn't made a bit of trouble for itself, and I'm not going to say that with a growth in size doesn't come some form of neglect or another, and I'm not sayying that CCP's strategy of releasing new content instead of fixing current content isn't rather short-sighted an idea. What I will say, is that there are thousands more people who play the game and find ways to compensate for the prolems with EVE. MMOs are for people with OCD, and if someone has an obsessive compulsive urge to eat with the same dishes for breakfast without ever washing them, then they're going to use those dishes for the rest of their lives. The same principal can apply to EVE, people can stop being OCD sometimes when something cripplingly powerful happens in their lives. in EVE's case, people will stop playing when CCP does something to majorly screw up. We can throw **** onto Kali, and onto everything they plan to do, but the fact of the matter is CCP doesn't have to fix every bug that you find in their game. Sure, I'd like for all of the bugs to be fixed, but if you're not willing to swallow your gorde and learn to compensate for the problems this game causes, then you'll leave, and other people who ARE will fill in the gap. In other words, sour grapes -.- ________________________________________________ "Oh me? I carebear."
Mr Happ Gallente Hellbound Saints	Posted - 2006.09.03 15:52:00 - [80] signed CCP needs to pull there finger out there ass and start fixing things And to all these idiots who keep saying it's just a game, yeh it would be if we just payed a 1 time fee for the actual game, but with the cost of what we are playing with as many people as we have with multiple accounts - God damn they should be able to fix this stuff We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Whalesaver mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:21:00 - [81] /signed. If the countless bugs are not fixed, prior to introducing even more content, my two accounts will be dropped. Server stability sucks, I do not have twenty hours a week to play, so extended downtimes and server reboots are killing my desire to play. ----------------------- Doesn't shoot first Will ask questions later And enjoys a nice cup of tea
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Infinity Ziona And how exactly are alliances (even though they suck and I hate them) supposed to defend against capital ship intrusions without being able to detect and respond to them? Cyo fields can still appear on scanner or whatever, but the warp to option is just stupid. How about no? All it would take is someone to make a SS somewhere a couple hundred AU out from the nearest object, and the enemy will jump into your system and you'll never stop it. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Contralto Gallente Binary Fringe inc	Posted - 2006.09.03 16:23:00 - [83] I live in a country where it is regarded as demeaning to complain about anything, just grin (Literally) and bear it, this is wonderful for the casual tourists who cruise thro on there vacations but deep down the service provided by government agencies and retail suppliers is abysmal. My Isp for instance loses connection hourly and sometimes for several hours, But no one complains! result nothing improves! Thus the so called Whiners and quitters are doing the silent uncomplaining masses a service! CCP are reading this thread and will im sure be influenced by it even if in a small way, If all were silent then how would they get a feel for the current players opinions of the state of play. my 2 cents worth
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:04:00 - [84] EvE has suffered a little from its own success, but to be quite frank the Devs are doing a good job and dont deserve half the whining they get on a daily basis. Pettition times are horrible, but look up a few posts and you'll see they are hiring more GM's(and to take on more GM's is a fair increase in their overheads. No light thing for a company to take on) All that really needs doing on the petition side is better logging tools so players get more proof to back up their petitions. As for patch errors, its a complex game (an old one at that) and the Devs are only human.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:18:00 - [85] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/09/2006 17:18:39 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia How about no? All it would take is someone to make a SS somewhere a couple hundred AU out from the nearest object, and the enemy will jump into your system and you'll never stop it. And? OMGWEHAVEHOSTILES FLEEE!!!! Recruitment
Basileus	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:21:00 - [86] Justified rant by the OP. Hella signed.
Evol1 J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.03 17:50:00 - [87] You know, I'd help on testing on SiSi, but no, says my account is suspended. Never been on SiSi before, so no friggin idea what that's all about. I'd take up their offer of helping by way of ISD or being a GM. Too bad I live in the US, apparently that makes me not worth a **** for their time. So what do you do? I just log in and change skills. At least the game doesn't freeze up like it did a few weeks ago, but I'm on week four of two petitions for just that, and quite frankly, I'm just going to wait and see.
tadig smik Taintclan Industries	Posted - 2006.09.03 18:02:00 - [88] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Pardon my ignorance, but how can you see a target at "16.2 AU" away at all? Scanner's max-range is about 15AU, and normal view can see about 5-600km away. I have warped from a belt to a station and still had the rats locked on, firing and hitting me from several AU away. Didn't check the scanner but they were still in my overview.

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