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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:10:02 -
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Railguns have consistently gotten nerfed in and since odyssey. Large rails I will use a megathron as an example. My ratting mega can miss with a midslot tracking computer and a low slot tracking computer combined with the ships tracking bonus. How does a ship miss another battleship in its optimal with all skills at maximum? This is not ok. Galentee has taken some big nerf hits from CCP on drones too. They took away my rails and drones. All I have left is my bag of rocks. The story is the same for the ships with small and mediums too.
Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
364
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:11:37 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.
Since when do target painters not work with railguns?
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:13:06 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.
Since when do target painters not work with railguns?
Since always? |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
DARKNESS.
699
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:13:49 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Railguns have consistently gotten nerfed in and since odyssey. Large rails I will use a megathron as an example. My ratting mega can miss with a midslot tracking computer and a low slot tracking computer combined with the ships tracking bonus. How does a ship miss another battleship in its optimal with all skills at maximum? This is not ok. Galentee has taken some big nerf hits from CCP on drones too. They took away my rails and drones. All I have left is my bag of rocks. The story is the same for the ships with small and mediums too.
Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.
Oh god, run for the hills. It's either a magnificent troll, or someone truly ignorant of the current weapon balance.
Tip: Rail Tengu fleets... Rail Proteus fleets, Rail Megathron fleets, Rail Hypherion fleets....
Rails are actually the most powerful weapon system atm overall. Rails and drones are by far the most used medium and large class weapon types as well in large scale PvP.
There will be no buffs. There will probably be some more nerfs tbh, much as I dislike that. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
3012
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:25:42 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.
Since when do target painters not work with railguns? Since always?
Do you actually know what a target painter does, or how damage application in this game works, at all? |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust
The Bastion
413
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:50:29 -
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So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now? |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
342
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Posted - 2014.12.02 02:54:23 -
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Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good.
I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6661
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:14:41 -
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Komi Toran wrote:is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
Your mom.
:3
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Meyr
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
365
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:33:59 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now? Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good. I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though.
I will now chip in with a request for 'Moar Blaster Optimal Range,' since they are obviously in dire need of enhancement.
Seriously, I'm primarily a Gallente pilot, and, while I think 425's could maybe use a SLIGHT tracking buff, Railguns are in a pretty good place right now. In particular, medium railguns are, if anything, in need of a (very) small DPS nerf, with possibly that slight tracking buff I mentioned tossed into the mix, but it's not mandatory.
As a suggestion, consider, using medium Gallente weapons as the baseline, and other weapon systems and sizes be adjusted relative to them, given the advantages and disadvantages each inherently possesses. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:54:15 -
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Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
I like medium drones... |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:56:29 -
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Meyr wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now? Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good. I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though. I will now chip in with a request for 'Moar Blaster Optimal Range,' since they are obviously in dire need of enhancement. Seriously, I'm primarily a Gallente pilot, and, while I think 425's could maybe use a SLIGHT tracking buff, Railguns are in a pretty good place right now. In particular, medium railguns are, if anything, in need of a (very) small DPS nerf, with possibly that slight tracking buff I mentioned tossed into the mix, but it's not mandatory. As a suggestion, consider, using medium Gallente weapons as the baseline, and other weapon systems and sizes be adjusted relative to them, given the advantages and disadvantages each inherently possesses.
On the mediums I would be willing to give up a smidge of damage for a tracking increase. What's the point if you cant put the DPS on target. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
1777
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:36:06 -
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Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
I havent seen a smartbomb thread in a while. If we're not careful they might become OP. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:40:22 -
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Rowells wrote:Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now? I havent seen a smartbomb thread in a while. If we're not careful they might become OP.
They really do need some help though... |
Viribus
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
337
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:40:35 -
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i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets
watch me be a scurb and get owned
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
23
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:42:37 -
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Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets
They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description. |
Viribus
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
337
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:48:05 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.
boy are you going to be embarrassed when you find out what signature resolution is
watch me be a scurb and get owned
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
DARKNESS.
700
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:48:36 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.
They help all turrets.
Target sig vs Weapon sig, Distance to target vs optimal/falloff, and transversal speed. Every single turret uses these three bits in determining if they hit and for how much.
Those TPs fit under the Target sig part. And it is taken into account for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON SYSTEM (except smartbombs) |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:54:28 -
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Anhenka wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description. They help all turrets. Target sig vs Weapon sig, Distance to target vs optimal/falloff, and transversal speed. Every single turret uses these three bits in determining if they hit and for how much. Those TPs fit under the Target sig part. And it is taken into account for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON SYSTEM (except smartbombs)
Railguns arnt affected by target painters. |
Viribus
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
337
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:57:17 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns arnt affected by target painters.
i've never seen someone more wrong
and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced
watch me be a scurb and get owned
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:59:24 -
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Viribus wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns arnt affected by target painters.
i've never seen someone more wrong and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced
Dude a higher target sig radius doesn't increase damage like with missiles. |
Viribus
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
338
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Posted - 2014.12.02 06:01:46 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns arnt affected by target painters.
i've never seen someone more wrong and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced Dude a higher target sig radius doesn't increase damage like with missiles.
a higher sig doesn't "increase damage", it just makes targets easier to track
paints don't "increase damage" for missiles either; painting a drake isn't going to make light missiles do any more damage to it, since you're doing full damage anyway
increased sig radius just make it easier for missiles to hit small, moving targets
just
like
turrets
watch me be a scurb and get owned
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2795
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Posted - 2014.12.02 11:06:12 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Anhenka wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description. They help all turrets. Target sig vs Weapon sig, Distance to target vs optimal/falloff, and transversal speed. Every single turret uses these three bits in determining if they hit and for how much. Those TPs fit under the Target sig part. And it is taken into account for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON SYSTEM (except smartbombs) Railguns arnt affected by target painters. Yes they are. Like all turret systems.
The target signature radius (which can be increased by applying Target Painters) affects both targeting speed and chance to hit. A higher chance to hit per shot fired of course leading to higher applied damage over time.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Porucznik Borewicz
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
19
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Posted - 2014.12.02 11:34:09 -
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Rekt by the wrecking shots applied with the help of a target painter. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1008
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Posted - 2014.12.02 15:46:42 -
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Viribus wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns arnt affected by target painters.
i've never seen someone more wrong and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced
and they were very confused clearly ..
OP needs too learn the tracking formulas
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:32:22 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Railguns arnt affected by target painters.   
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
343
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:44:45 -
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Oh the lulz.... I didn't realize there were people that actually thought painters were some sort of missile only TE, now I know better. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Forged of Fire
661
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:02:04 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Viribus wrote:i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.
Keep digging, OP.
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Schneevva
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
5
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:19:06 -
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Komi Toran wrote:So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
The one I don't use of course, it's overpowered. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.12.02 19:24:15 -
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Stop trolling
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
25
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Posted - 2014.12.08 02:36:16 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Stop trolling
I am not trolling. If I am not mistaken they nerfed tracking for PvP reasons. My main complaint for the tracking is not PvP ratting, DEDs etc. PvPers always mess it up for everyone else. How it the world can my Megathron with a Max lvl tacking ship bonus 1 medium slot computer+ 1 low slow computer all T2 fitted optimal of 42km miss ships at 40km while sitting still moving 0.0 M/S. No that is not ok. CCP unnerf them please. My hit rate with that ship should be near 100% not 75% or lower. |
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