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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:57:00 -
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we started at 50km 
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:02:00 -
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MANY T1 Frigs are sweet ships. And not only for PvP. Rifter is a nice T1 Frig for PvP, but Vigil is a sweet "run-about" ship. Probe is a sweet little cargo hauler, especially with 2x Nanofiber Internal Structure, a MWD and a small cap battery.
I love my Wolf, but I keep a stack of Rifters on hand.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:10:00 -
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Its a t1 frig. The downside is it will get killed against almsot anything bigger. However, they are loverlly ships. My favorite friggy by far.
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F Apparition
Minmatar
Life Extermination
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:17:00 -
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I love the rifter. Fit it with a medium shield extender, or put a micro aux on it and put two of them + t2 autocannons and you have a very mean little frig there. I've always had a thing for flying one, no matter how long I've played this game.
I wouldn't call it overpowered though.
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Shigsy
Caldari
Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Sandra Tseng
we started at 50km
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Well then kestrel would be the obvious choice in that situation...
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Sun Win
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Win on 06/09/2006 15:38:16
I'd never enter a frig tournament that forced me to start at 50km. Not unless I was allowed to warp out and then warp back in at 15km. Starting at 50km automatically gives the long range frigs a huge advantage.
In a non-tournament situation, at 50km the non-Kestrel guy, who is out of scram range just warps off when he realizes he can't win and then it's cat and mouse around the system until either someone jumps the other or someone docks.
My experience in real PVP is that most fights seem to happen around 0-30km. You warp into a belt or on to a gate or you are warping around a system huting for your prey. Then you close as fast as you can and warp scram them.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Win
I'd never enter a frig tournament that forced me to start at 50km. Not unless I was allowed to warp out and then warp back in at 15km. Starting at 50km automatically gives the long range frigs a huge advantage.
In a non-tournament situation, at 50km the non-Kestrel guy, who is out of scram range just warps off when he realizes he can't win and then it's cat and mouse around the system until either someone jumps the other or someone docks.
well it matters little since light missiles wont go much farther than 30km anyways you see.
And I have yet to face a 4x Rocket laucnher Kessie - bet that will be a pretty nasty surprise as well 
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Its a t1 frig. The downside is it will get killed against almsot anything bigger. However, they are loverlly ships. My favorite friggy by far.
Not sure about the Rifter, but my Punisher can take on almost all cruisers with standard setups... Granted, it's hard to stop them running away if they have an MWD but.. eh.
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Shadow Mancer
Warriors of God
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:58:00 -
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well back in the days when kestrels could fit 4 cruise missiles, kestrels could insta pop badger mk2 in Yulai b4 concords arrive lol ;-) But these days were gone, so yea a rifter it's fricking powerful , agree.
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F Apparition
Minmatar
Life Extermination
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Its a t1 frig. The downside is it will get killed against almsot anything bigger. However, they are loverlly ships. My favorite friggy by far.
Not sure about the Rifter, but my Punisher can take on almost all cruisers with standard setups... Granted, it's hard to stop them running away if they have an MWD but.. eh.
Rifter can do that as well. I say most t1 frigs can (the power ones I mean, rifer, punisher, krestel) if it has a good pilot on the frig side and a bad setup/bad pilot/bad situation on the cruisers.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:13:00 -
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Of course the Rifter is the best frigate - didn't one blow up the death star?
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Antodias on 06/09/2006 16:41:44
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Of course the Rifter is the best frigate - didn't one blow up the death star?
'The Force' needs a Nerf.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:13:00 -
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I ripped a rocketkessie to shreds in a punisher...
Which was funny cuz i only have L3 in amarr frig and L1 in small lasers hahahahahaha
offcourse having some serp hardners in low prolly did help a bit 
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Of course the Rifter is the best frigate - didn't one blow up the death star?
Yea, but it had Torpedoes, so it preceeds the first missile nerf. Figures, as it was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away ...
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari
Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.09.06 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 06/09/2006 18:22:58
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
we started at 50km
Doh ! 
Caldari specialise at long range combat and the better the pilot skills the longer the range they can engage at. The longer you make the start distance the more you skew things in their favour.
As has been said, 10-20km is a good start distance as it is considered mid range and does not allow you to web or nos someone immediately.
EVE combat is HIGHLY circumstantial, so if setup a situation which suits the fighting style of a particular pilot then they have a huge advantage to start with.
Kes vs Incursus would be a fair test with both starting at 10-15km
Merlin vs Tristan would also be fair
Punisher vs Rifter is the one everyone wants to see though 
Basically the Caldari & Gallente get 2 decent frigs each, while the Amarr & Minmatar only get 1. So for that reason, their single good frig needs to be pretty uber to compensate, hence the justifcation for the Punisher & the Rifter being overpowered compared to other frigs. Overall, it is actually well balanced, imo.
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Majin82
Caldari
Arkhangelos Alliance Naval Intelligence
Arkhangelos Command
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:28:00 -
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I love the Kessie, its by far one of the meanest Frigates around. Put on 4 rocket launchers or light missile launchers with Kenetic Charges, and Level 4 or 5 in Frigate and you can own!
My current set up for PVP is an Active sheld set-up that cost around 30 mil in gear, but fires Rocket so fast it's insane.
My other Kessie with Missiles is just as deadly.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.07 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Majin82
My other Kessie with Missiles is just as deadly.
Does it have a "My other Kestrel is faction fitted" bumper sticker? 
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.07 03:08:00 -
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Rifter is a decent throwaway tackler.
Only with mwd and double webs and a dictor buddy it can catch a ceptor.
Other than that, all the mids plus the speed puts it above other disposable ships. MWD, scram, web. Or MWD, scram, sensor damp/turret disrupt.
It has the right number of slots for tackling.
The executioners and others should get webbing or warp scramble bonuses.
It may only have 23km lock range, but this is usually not a problem. It has no problems with cap or warping, and can accelerate to 3km/s quickly. And most of all, it looks like it was meant to fight and die, so there is no incentive towards self-preservation. It's a ship that actively expresses impatience with idleness.
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Tawl Oh
Amarr
Doom Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.07 04:22:00 -
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It seams that Gallente is the only race that doesn't have an awesome frig. The Kessie is really perfect for caldari with its missile layout. The trist just needs another turret HP, to replicate the rifters slot layout perfectly
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.07 08:42:00 -
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But the Tristan has Drones. . .which are far more valuable in close combat. All in all, frigs reflect the style of each races combat styles well. . .
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.07 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tawl Oh
It seams that Gallente is the only race that doesn't have an awesome frig. The Kessie is really perfect for caldari with its missile layout. The trist just needs another turret HP, to replicate the rifters slot layout perfectly
Sure. And the cyclone needs 7 turrets because the brutix has it... 
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Freyda
Gallente
Celestial Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.07 09:55:00 -
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Tristans are way under rated. I should get my alt to go and blow people up in my tristan and take down some folks. Post the fraps videos and drive up demand for Tristans.
Or.. hmm.. I could just let people continue believing tristans suck and then getting my jollys be blowing them away.
(last 3 tournaments I saw were won by tristans)
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:10:00 -
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Kestrel is the best anti-frig T1 frig. That's because of missiles. In the same way the Crow is the best anti-frig frig period.
However, for other things, other frigates are better. Such as the Rifter or Stiletto for tackling, for example. Most frigs have a niche, Caldari's in general is killing other frigs.
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momotaro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:20:00 -
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t1 frigs are wet paper. 5 small drones and youre gone faster than u can say "goldfish", so ur not really a takler, as taklers are ment to keep the target in place as fleet jumps in and warps to you, sry to say this folks but i never go in a gang that has t1 frigs as taklers, they die fast and we end up alone very soon.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:27:00 -
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i like my rifter. however, i would prefer a Naglfar
(overexaggerated the fact that yes its nice. but its a frigate)
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Freyda
Gallente
Celestial Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.07 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Kestrel is the best anti-frig T1 frig. That's because of missiles. In the same way the Crow is the best anti-frig frig period.
However, for other things, other frigates are better. Such as the Rifter or Stiletto for tackling, for example. Most frigs have a niche, Caldari's in general is killing other frigs.
Doesn't that depend on the situation, sure, if the Kestrel can start the fight at max range and has free reign to fire as they are forced to approach it, then they're perfect.
But well combat isn't always like that or else warp core stabs we we useless because no one would ever be in warp scramble range. If combat starts with the other frig already close up and personal then that paper thin tank lets the kestrel down everytime.
*looks at a tristan with 2 rails 2 launchers, and over 800 hp armour with plate vs kestrel that had to sacrifice it's entire grid to fit 4 launchers* even with damage mods on the kestrel my moneys on pretty much any of the other tier 3 frigs if the situation starts with them already in range. I find it similar to a dps thorax fitted with antimatter and medium blasters vs a caracel with the fight starting at the caracel's max range compared to a thorax sitting right next to a caracel with the same set up. Situation chooses how well a frig fairs.
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Markttrulle
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Posted - 2006.09.07 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
we started at 50km
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Well then kestrel would be the obvious choice in that situation...
Actually, I'd kite everything in an MWD condor, which nicely outranges kestrels.
starting at 50 km... *shakes head*
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.09.07 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Well..we had a T1 frig tournament a week ago or soemthing.
Judging by the result of that
Kestrel is WAY WAY WAY more overpowered than any other T1 frig...
Insane....
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Kestrels have a good DPS, no tracking, and no real need for anything other than BCS in those lows.
Well, I would disagree with Ballistic Control comment . You need to fit micro aux powercore to fit it with afterburner and missiles and with BCU's you will run out of CPU real fast (even with maxsed electronicks skill).
Thou, in general it is indeed one awesome ship for a frigate. Just takes bigger than usual pile of SP to fit it well.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Kestrel is the best anti-frig T1 frig. That's because of missiles.
And Raven is the best anti-bs T1 battleship. Also because of missiles. I see a pattern. :p
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