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Vendraen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:07:00 -
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The Rifter looks really overpowered on paper. I mean, it's got 5 weapon mounts, plenty of power and cap, decent armor/shield. Decent speed. It seems to have ZERO drawbacks when compared to any other Frigate.
What am I missing?
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kublai
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:09:00 -
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It's a frigate, that's what you're missing.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:09:00 -
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AND it looks frickn' awesome too! 
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Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Talen Kross
Dragon's Rage
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:10:00 -
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WTB rifter with 5 weapon mounts.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 06/09/2006 13:10:05
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It seems to have ZERO drawbacks when compared to any other Frigate.
read OP before posting you anti-friggie-twerp ;]
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 06/09/2006 13:12:11
Well, for starters it only has 4 high slots, so you get either 3/1 turrets/launchers, or 2/2. Split weapons are worse for damage modules (which is why kestrels are nice, since they're all launchers).
They are fast, and flexible, and all round a good ship. Overpowered? No, I wouldn't say so.
I'd put it up against both Kestrel and Merlin (Caldari Tier 3s) - kestrel is 4/3/2 but all launchers (so better for damage mods) where a Merlin is 4/4/2 (extra midslots are very sweet, they mean a second web, scram, or just hardner) with shield resists.
Can't really comment on Gallente/Amarrian frigs, as I'm unfamiliar.
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Vendraen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vendraen on 06/09/2006 13:13:10
Aha! That IS what I missed. It has 3 turret hardpoints and 2 launcher hardpoints, yet only 4 hislots. That's...weird. That's the "catch" right there. Still seems like a nice boat though.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:13:00 -
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Well..we had a T1 frig tournament a week ago or soemthing.
Judging by the result of that
Kestrel is WAY WAY WAY more overpowered than any other T1 frig...
Insane....
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Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Vathar
Elegance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:13:00 -
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It's got only 4 hislots, so 5 weapon mounts don't mean much; but apart from this, yeah, it's one of the best T1 frigs around.
Used to be a 4/2/2 and was a bit limited, but since it gained 1 mid and 1 low, it's a monster. I regret it no longer has a speed bonus, it's a bit slower than it used to be.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Well..we had a T1 frig tournament a week ago or soemthing.
Judging by the result of that
Kestrel is WAY WAY WAY more overpowered than any other T1 frig...
Insane....
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Kestrels have a good DPS, no tracking, and no real need for anything other than BCS in those lows.
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Tamara Merris
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vendraen
The Rifter looks really overpowered on paper. I mean, it's got 5 weapon mounts, plenty of power and cap, decent armor/shield. Decent speed. It seems to have ZERO drawbacks when compared to any other Frigate.
What am I missing?
A basic understanding of ship fitting it seems. While it may have 5 weapon hardpoints it still only has 4 high slots just like all the other race's frigates. It also has less cap, less armor and less shield than those other race's ships.
On the other hand it looks cool and thats what really matters. 
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Arimai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:18:00 -
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4 highslots, weapon bonus on weapons that need high powergrid, need to train multiple weapons systems?
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:21:00 -
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Punisher's are just as good if not better than Rifters IMO.
Perhaps less versetile, but more durable.
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dralid
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:26:00 -
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Punisher have a good tank for a frigate indeed!
I love the rifter tho for its versatile functions.
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Terraform
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:42:00 -
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i did a test a few days ago, had 2 kestrels with light missiles pummel my punisher while i tried tanking and retaliating. I ALMOST won the fight, beat down one kestrel, but was beaten by the second one. He had 16% armor left when i exploded  Got a rifter? bring it on! 
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:47:00 -
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Actually i think a rifter would beat a punisher. :) NOS all the way...
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Vendraen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:52:00 -
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Kestrel seems REALLY power starved. I've got 4x Malkuths on mine and there's no power left for anything else. :(
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:00:00 -
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The rules for the Frig tournament we had was:
Only standard T1 frigs
Only standard T1 modules (no named at all, only modules you can buy BPOs for)
The Kestrels won every fight with ease. (might help that the best kestrel pilot has max skilled in all missile skills)
The kessie would just use its Afterburner and move away from the other ship while bombarding it with missiles. usually took 2 volleys while the other friggates could nto even get a lock (Kessie has 44km lock distance without skills - my Tristan has 29km WITH skills)
And moving in zigzag does not help since missiles say FU to transversal
MWD was a good move but unfortunantly you took to much damage on the way in and when you reached the kessie (which by then was untouched while its opponent was quite badly damaged) you had too littel cap left to sustain any tank for long - even with nos's)
NERF KESSIE! (at least its targetting distance)
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Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:04:00 -
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Sandra, try the same thing with starting distance being 5k. Web + superior damage will eat the kestrel alive.
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Magnus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Well..we had a T1 frig tournament a week ago or soemthing.
Judging by the result of that
Kestrel is WAY WAY WAY more overpowered than any other T1 frig...
Insane....
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I used a rifter in our corps frig tourney a while ago, and didnt have any problems with kestrels. I won btw.
The rifter is my favourite frig atleast, with t2 ac and barrage ammo, it can kill several of AFs even, and with dual web it eats every ceptor in the game alive (except those pesky crows that dont enter web range).
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Well..we had a T1 frig tournament a week ago or soemthing.
Judging by the result of that
Kestrel is WAY WAY WAY more overpowered than any other T1 frig...
Insane....
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Kestrels have a good DPS, no tracking, and no real need for anything other than BCS in those lows.
I agree with that- kestrels seriously own. I hate Caldari :P
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Sandra, try the same thing with starting distance being 5k. Web + superior damage will eat the kestrel alive.
Well - that would not be fair now would it? ;]
But I would sure appreaciate it, being an Autocannon and Blaster junkie ;]
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Kyuzo
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
The rules for the Frig tournament we had was:
Only standard T1 frigs
Only standard T1 modules (no named at all, only modules you can buy BPOs for)
The Kestrels won every fight with ease. (might help that the best kestrel pilot has max skilled in all missile skills)
The kessie would just use its Afterburner and move away from the other ship while bombarding it with missiles. usually took 2 volleys while the other friggates could nto even get a lock (Kessie has 44km lock distance without skills - my Tristan has 29km WITH skills)
And moving in zigzag does not help since missiles say FU to transversal
MWD was a good move but unfortunantly you took to much damage on the way in and when you reached the kessie (which by then was untouched while its opponent was quite badly damaged) you had too littel cap left to sustain any tank for long - even with nos's)
NERF KESSIE! (at least its targetting distance)
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the Kestral is one of the better frigates for skill lvl 2 ... and the rifter definately has to be fitted right... in a staged 1v1... the ship with the most DPS usually wins... but that doesnt neccesarily mean its the best for everyday play... part of the fight is hit and run.... and the rifter is a powerhouse when it comes down to hitting and running...
even in saying that.. i will admit the kestral is a beast... and you need to respect its pure dps ability... but the kestral has paper thin shields and armour...
its not the kestral thats problematic... its missiles themselves... which require redesign...
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Vendraen
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vendraen
Kestrel seems REALLY power starved. I've got 4x Malkuths on mine and there's no power left for anything else. :(
O_O
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:32:00 -
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part of the fight is hit and run.... and the rifter is a powerhouse when it comes down to hitting and running.
How do you expect to perform hit and run attack vs a ship that can lock you and hit you at twice the distance you can lock and ten times the distance you can fire and hit?
By the time you reach him it is time to run again - with missiles homing in on your ass from over 30km ;p
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle
The rifter is my favourite frig atleast, with t2 ac and barrage ammo, it can kill several of AFs even, and with dual web it eats every ceptor in the game alive (except those pesky crows that dont enter web range).
(Plate)claw? Cheaters with ECM?
OTOH, Rifter is an awesome T1 tackler. Punisher comes close, but getting in range is more important than staying alive.
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
How do you expect to perform hit and run attack vs a ship that can lock you and hit you at twice the distance you can lock and ten times the distance you can fire and hit?
You don't start 50km away? Try it at 5 km...
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vasiliyan on 06/09/2006 14:53:32
Gah double post 
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:53:00 -
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Hmm.. what was the starting range for your frigate tournament? 15km is realistic, 30km seems excessive.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
It's a frigate, that's what you're missing.
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