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Throwaway Sam Atild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:03:32 - [1] - Quote It saddens me that (correct me if I'm wrong) AWOX mechanics are getting pulled from the game. I think that the constant threat of intruders into a HS indy corp (like mine) made things more interesting. However if it has to go, I'd provide this as an alternative. Allow CEO's to toggle whether or not there are Concord reprisals within their corporation. This would be tied to a 24 hour timer so that evil CEO's can't surprise members and reverse AWOX them. However, allowing the option to turn off the concord response allows HS corps to practice PVP amongst themselves which would be fantastic for groups like RVB, or anyone who likes to mix it up within their own corp for whatever reason.
Eldwinn SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel 148	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:10:37 - [2] - Quote Wut. I believe this mechanic exists in the form of a duel, null sec and low sec.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 701	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:40:25 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I don't know what makes me think this, but I'm pretty sure no CEO would turn on AWOXing for their corp, no matter how evil they are. Even the most elite of elite don't like getting blown up when they can't fight back(mining as an example).... Don't let them try to tell you otherwise..
Throwaway Sam Atild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:55:07 - [4] - Quote Completely valid point that dueling is an existing mechanic, but adds a lot of extra clicks. Also valid that 95% may have the preference for no AWOXing. However I personally would find utility in the ability to adjust the status, as it can make training traditionally high-sec folks in PVP more difficult. It'd be my opinion that if the option can be included without much fuss, some may find it useful. If it'd take a lot of extra programming hours, obviously not a very high priority feature.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 626	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:57:08 - [5] - Quote Well when they remove awoxing it will just cease to be a thing I will care about. Because I won't be playing eve as of that moment. Just saying. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10796	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:58:54 - [6] - Quote Alongside the point of, if you use this feature, your corp pays NPC corp taxes on all their transactions. If people are going to act like they're in an NPC corp, they should get the negatives along with the positives. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Throwaway Sam Atild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:03:33 - [7] - Quote Well, my idea isn't for a feature to turn off AWOXing. I'm personally a fan of AWOXing. However my understanding is that shutting off AWOXing is in the pipes. I'd just like to preserve the ability to fight and train within my corp without opening 50 duels.
Foxicity Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 28	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:27:39 - [8] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Yeah, I don't know what makes me think this, but I'm pretty sure no CEO would turn on AWOXing for their corp, no matter how evil they are. Even the most elite of elite don't like getting blown up when they can't fight back(mining as an example).... Don't let them try to tell you otherwise.. You underestimate the evil some of us are capable of. I know some people who will be very disappointed if there's no option to turn on AWOXing.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1755	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:58:36 - [9] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Yeah, I don't know what makes me think this, but I'm pretty sure no CEO would turn on AWOXing for their corp, no matter how evil they are. Even the most elite of elite don't like getting blown up when they can't fight back(mining as an example).... Don't let them try to tell you otherwise.. Given reverse awoxing recruitment scams exist whereby CEO's invite people into the corp so they can gank them...... Pretty sure some would. And those are typically the scummiest of awox'ers as most of their victims are newer players who don't know any better. Frankly, the mechanic is outdated and should be removed entirely. You can still pull off cunning ganks by talking them into a duel, or going suspect, or going to low sec with you or giving you their ship to haul in your bowhead, or or or...... The removal of inside corp concord free aggression is not the end of Awoxing basically. It's only the removal of a poor mechanic that is inconsistent with the rest of EVE's rules. Complexity is not always good. And this is bad complexity.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 365	Posted - 2014.12.09 10:44:40 - [10] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: Well when they remove awoxing it will just cease to be a thing I will care about. Because I won't be playing eve as of that moment. Just saying. Can I have your stuff then? Just saying. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Gawain Edmond Angry Mustellid The Periphery 148	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:30:22 - [11] - Quote Throwaway Sam Atild wrote: It saddens me that (correct me if I'm wrong) AWOX mechanics are getting pulled from the game. I think that the constant threat of intruders into a HS indy corp (like mine) made things more interesting. However if it has to go, I'd provide this as an alternative. Allow CEO's to toggle whether or not there are Concord reprisals within their corporation. This would be tied to a 24 hour timer so that evil CEO's can't surprise members and reverse AWOX them. However, allowing the option to turn off the concord response allows HS corps to practice PVP amongst themselves which would be fantastic for groups like RVB, or anyone who likes to mix it up within their own corp for whatever reason. I'm 99% sure that awoxing isn't being removed from the game though a source wouldn't go amiss if you've read it somewhere but if they did remove it from the game then the only thing that would replace it would be suicide ganking.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 813	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:36:21 - [12] - Quote Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought?
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 237	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:01:48 - [13] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought? One would think. If you read the CSM minutes it was felt that the mechanic is "counter-intuitive" and somehow hurts new players. I see no reason why this arbitrary mechanic is any more confusing than the rest of the highsec aggression mechanics, and it serves a useful purpose in training and sparring that cannot be replaced easily by the current duel mechanic. Further, awoxing is only a problem for established players with assets running the corporation, not a new player who doesn't even know what the aggression mechanics are, nor have any assets of note to lose, so I don't see this having any affect on "keeping" new players. Still, they said they wanted to change it by "the end of the year" and it appears to not be in Rhea so perhaps cooler heads have prevailed and have noticed that there is minimal benefit to this change at a significant cost to current gameplay. Maybe it won't happen at all. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 636	Posted - 2014.12.22 04:08:03 - [14] - Quote The "confirmation" seems to be in the devblog announcing proteus changes. I hope awoxing will instead trigger suspect flag so as to give a major disadvantage to awoxer. Removing awoxing would go against everything eve is and has been. CCP advertise this aspect of game, I don't know what happens when they remove that very sandbox element that distinguishes it from mainstream MMOs. Holding my subs for now... EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Qn'qura Zalas Zula Aeon Ascendant 1	Posted - 2014.12.22 04:59:32 - [15] - Quote I'd have to be wary of that going live, i'd hate to get slapped by concord just for webslinging a heavy ship.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 151	Posted - 2014.12.22 05:49:47 - [16] - Quote The worst repercussion of the removal of AWOX will not be the inability for the odd person to infiltrate a corp of carebears and shoot them. It's biggest affects will be seen in corps like RvB which rely on intracorp aggression for the enjoyment of hundreds of players. I don't support removing AWOXing from corps, but if they do the OP's suggestion is vital. With that said, it's silly to threaten unsubbing over this. You are a seriously boring player if you can't find ways to enjoy the game without shooting new/bad PVE players in high-sec. I understand the idea of trying to prove a point, but it's wishful thinking to hope this will be another Incarna. You aren't going to have hundreds of players proving that point with you. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2095	Posted - 2014.12.22 06:43:46 - [17] - Quote I vote we keep the AWOKing mechanic and continue to allow carebears to join NPC corps. With high tax rates. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Esmanpir Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 12	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:57:17 - [18] - Quote Throwaway Sam Atild wrote: Well, my idea isn't for a feature to turn off AWOXing. I'm personally a fan of AWOXing. However my understanding is that shutting off AWOXing is in the pipes. I'd just like to preserve the ability to fight and train within my corp without opening 50 duels. It should be a setting on the character, not the corp and have a timer (say 1 hour). That way you can train without opening 50 duels.
Khador Vess Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 219	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:51:19 - [19] - Quote You are spot on that this affects balancing for organisations like RvB. We will quite often share pilots when arranging fights, we quite often hold FFA's and the idea of opening and maintaining 50 or 60 duels to be able to run an FFA makes me shudder. Even so i still think that to make the newbro experience better that something has to change. Joining a corp and then having all your worldly stuff exploded because of an un-intuitive mechanic isnt really cool. The idea of making this a selectable corp option to me has appeal, as long as its something that you can filter in the corp search when looking for corps to apply to. If you change this it takes 24 hours to take effect and you get an eve mail letting you know its been changed (on or off). This way its a choice, players can still screw up by not filtering in corp PvP flagged organisations, they can join and have it changed while they are away and not read mails... there is scope for mistakes to be made without it being a complete turkey shoot. I used to have a forum sig, but CCP SocksFour stole it....
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 638	Posted - 2014.12.23 03:16:32 - [20] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: The worst repercussion of the removal of AWOX will not be the inability for the odd person to infiltrate a corp of carebears and shoot them. It's biggest affects will be seen in corps like RvB which rely on intracorp aggression for the enjoyment of hundreds of players. I don't support removing AWOXing from corps, but if they do the OP's suggestion is vital. With that said, it's silly to threaten unsubbing over this. You are a seriously boring player if you can't find ways to enjoy the game without shooting new/bad PVE players in high-sec. I understand the idea of trying to prove a point, but it's wishful thinking to hope this will be another Incarna. You aren't going to have hundreds of players proving that point with you. Yeah it's silly to draw the line somewhere after more than 50 nerfs to my past styles of gameplay and increasingly narrowed field of gameplay. This adds no content to the game and removes a ton. And all it achieves is make eve more mainstream. GO SPACE WOW cough hello kitty online in SPACE!! EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Victoria Ramsay Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.12.23 03:30:50 - [21] - Quote What is this, ***** runescape? If CCP wants to make EVE into a game for 12 year olds they can remove awoxing - and along with it, their core player base as well. -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1!!! A note to CCP: Along with the removal of skill point loss.....talks about making disposable clones with throwaway SP..... Stop trying to make eve softer.**
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2069	Posted - 2014.12.23 04:02:23 - [22] - Quote It would truly suck if AWOXing were to go. Letting players have an entirely separate type of corp to chose from with less benefits and less risks would be better. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2116	Posted - 2014.12.23 04:12:28 - [23] - Quote Perhaps there should be a feature that alerts anyone joining a corp as to whether or not any existing corp members have ever AWOXed, and how many times they have. That way if you are inviting a newb for the purpose of AWOXing them, you at least have to try to hide the fact. Most corps promptly boot AWOXers and so won't ping at all. note: it should only count as an AWOX against the corp if the victim reports it by pressing a "that was an AWOX" button in their combat log. Friendly corp duels should not flag them for AWOXing. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2630	Posted - 2014.12.23 05:05:27 - [24] - Quote So I hate to be that guy but, Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1819	Posted - 2014.12.23 05:35:34 - [25] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: The "confirmation" seems to be in the devblog announcing proteus changes. I hope awoxing will instead trigger suspect flag so as to give a major disadvantage to awoxer. Removing awoxing would go against everything eve is and has been. CCP advertise this aspect of game, I don't know what happens when they remove that very sandbox element that distinguishes it from mainstream MMOs. Holding my subs for now... Except A: Suspect flag is meaningless most of the time. I go suspect in mining belts in a retriever and stay mining the entire time. And don't even get attacked. And B: AWOXing is not being removed. Free corp aggression 'may' be getting removed. AWOXing is a whole lot more than free corp aggression in high sec to gank mission runners. And all the actual smart AWOXing methods will remain intact. So.... They aren't removing AWOXing, stop being chicken little. Edit Omnathious Deninard wrote: So I hate to be that guy but, Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering. Proteus Dev blog mentions 'upcoming intra corp aggression changes' in 2015 (presumably early given they are mentioning it). Given that currently there is an utterly free pass, any intra corp aggression changes will therefore end up limiting it to some degree. However see above for why it's not the death of AWOXing.
HandelsPharmi Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1122	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:52:40 - [26] - Quote Throwaway Sam Atild wrote: It saddens me that (correct me if I'm wrong) AWOX mechanics are getting pulled from the game. I think that the constant threat of intruders into a HS indy corp (like mine) made things more interesting. However if it has to go, I'd provide this as an alternative. Allow CEO's to toggle whether or not there are Concord reprisals within their corporation. This would be tied to a 24 hour timer so that evil CEO's can't surprise members and reverse AWOX them. However, allowing the option to turn off the concord response allows HS corps to practice PVP amongst themselves which would be fantastic for groups like RVB, or anyone who likes to mix it up within their own corp for whatever reason. Welcome to EVE :) It is not the CEO which is evil, we all are evil on our own way :)
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 434	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:54:30 - [27] - Quote Throwaway Sam Atild wrote: It saddens me that (correct me if I'm wrong) AWOX mechanics are getting pulled from the game. I think that the constant threat of intruders into a HS indy corp (like mine) made things more interesting. However if it has to go, I'd provide this as an alternative. Allow CEO's to toggle whether or not there are Concord reprisals within their corporation. This would be tied to a 24 hour timer so that evil CEO's can't surprise members and reverse AWOX them. However, allowing the option to turn off the concord response allows HS corps to practice PVP amongst themselves which would be fantastic for groups like RVB, or anyone who likes to mix it up within their own corp for whatever reason. AWOX mechanics haven't been pulled from the game. They were modified to be consistent across each section of space. You think awoxing some peanuts battleship while he runs a mission is an achievement? Or good game play? You sad little man. This thread has been reported for being of nil value, like all the other conplaints that ignorantly refuse to address the basic reason why it was done to begin with. Join channel Aussies in space to chat with AU/NZ players
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 319	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:09:36 - [28] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: So I hate to be that guy but, Anyone have a link to CCP's statement confirming that they plan to do this, or is this thread just rumor mongering. You can read about it and what your CSM members said about it in the CSM9 summer minutes, starting on page 78. They said they wanted to implement it by "the end of the year" but obviously haven't. Changes in intra-corp agression are mentioned in CCP Seagull's devblog, but let's hope they are part of a coherent revamp of corporation mechanics that still allow such content it enables (e.g. internal sabotage and intracorp sparring/training) and aren't just yet another straight-up increase in safety for highsec players. My suggestion: go with the "social corp" idea which corps can opt-in to where they don't get the benefits (POSes, taxes, etc.) of a full corp but are immune to wardecs and intracorp aggression. It leaves all the tools in the sandbox for players and corporations who want the rewards and responsibilities of defending a corp while allowing new players, new corps and the risk-averse to still play the game with greater safety, albeit with reduced rewards. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Shivanthar 159	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:00:31 - [29] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought? I disagree and think otherwise. There is no self-defense for some people at the moment your corp leader accepts an awoxer inside with or without any intention. You are doing a regular thing, while becoming completely defensless against someone who are perfectly safe for his ganking actions. At least in high-sec, there must be consequences. At least when safety is on. _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't true.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 639	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:49:19 - [30] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Why would they remove AWOXing? Corporate espionage is perfectly valid I would have thought? I disagree and think otherwise. There is no self-defense for some people at the moment your corp leader accepts an awoxer inside with or without any intention. You are doing a regular thing, while becoming completely defensless against someone who are perfectly safe for his ganking actions. At least in high-sec, there must be consequences. At least when safety is on. Then make awoxers suspect, that way it is extremely risky for them (if someone actually does something about it) and it still remains a thing. And besides suspect let corps pick no suspect flag for in corp aggro in corps like RvB Instead of being stupid and destroying what Eve is. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

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