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Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:23:00 - [1] 14 Day Trial Players: - Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them - Cannot trade with other players - Cannot be invited into Corporations - Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow - Cannot list items for sale on the market - Cannot send or receive eve-mail - Cannot talk in chat channels I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:24:00 - [2] Edited by: Arron S on 07/09/2006 01:27:16 Edited by: Arron S on 07/09/2006 01:25:17 Don't buy isk?, You can also set your spam charge thing to an insane amount if your not running any gangs or somthing. like 1 billion ISK! And don't hang out in high sec empire!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:25:00 - [3] YEs, Sony does have a good thing going, it's called: "Lets drive away possible customers." I'm sure CCP thanks them. You could still transfer ISK even with those restrictions btw. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
Drused	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:25:00 - [4] Can not play the game. Will not pay to play on such a crappy setup.
Ankhatil Watching Eyeball Of Invasion INC	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Skyles Kragan 14 Day Trial Players: - Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them - Cannot trade with other players - Cannot be invited into Corporations - Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow - Cannot list items for sale on the market - Cannot send or receive eve-mail - Cannot talk in chat channels I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this. so in otherwirds totally cripple some of the games most basic features meaning these wanting a tase of the game dont get to see whats its about? fly around in a n00b ship for 2 weeks because you cant buy anything? mates cant help u with kit because they cant trade with you. I agree that isk selling can be an issue but you aint throught any of that through have you?
Lintaka Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:35:00 - [6] How about just restricting them from 'giving' and 'receiving' isk during their trial period? This would apply to wallet and trade.. Thus making it much harder for them to sell isk? ---------- Gotta be on the ball.. ball? what ball.. that ball.. which ball.. AHH BALL!!
darklegionca Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Skyles Kragan 14 Day Trial Players: - Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them - Cannot trade with other players - Cannot be invited into Corporations - Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow - Cannot list items for sale on the market - Cannot send or receive eve-mail - Cannot talk in chat channels I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this. you sir are a retard and should be banned from the game for even saying any of this bs
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:38:00 - [8] Is ccp loosing money with the amount of players they have now? If so, they won't last. if not, they can affort to isolate the problem. block is certainly an option but once you use it, it's too late. That's a problem. They can sell all the isk they want, i don't care, I just don't want to see the spam in eve-mail or in the chat channels.
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:44:00 - [9] In a social game like EvE how can you not let ppl chat etc? Some parts of the OP are already implemented, others are simply silly
Arkanor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:46:00 - [10] 2/10 -Started sounding ehhh-y -Then got downright silly -Would have been funny had you not taken the idea and proposed it seriously. Originally by: Ghosthowl WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face. Originally by: HippoKing I just cried, you know that?
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:47:00 - [11] I really love Planetside, but that fact aside.... You're taking ideas from SOE. What in blazes are you smoking? ---------- My sig is boring.
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:55:00 - [12] Should be limited to a trial corp in a trial channel. paying customers and isd people can come and go as they please in order to help them out and interact and all players can have the ability to invite them to personal chat channels but I think they should be disallowed a voice in the normal channels. Or maybe allow them into the channel but without the ability to speak in them. If you're ccp, do you want to irritate your paying customers or that one maybe customer that is more than half the time, up to no good for anyone?
Liegus	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:57:00 - [13] How do they choose their spam victims? I've gotten a grand total of two isk selling evemails in my two months of playing Eve (both from trade4game.com... Chinese outfit, though they listed their domain registration in Houston for some reason, possibly brain damage). Err back on topic... do people really get so much isk selling spam that it's a serious bother?
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 01:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Dahak2150 I really love Planetside, but that fact aside.... You're taking ideas from SOE. What in blazes are you smoking? Not smokin anything... I know it's apples and oranges and from the standpoint of Eve, the proposed limitations are indeed stupid. I give you that. I just posted it in order for people to contemplate it. ccp makes the calls anyhow. What Sony did could be a model. <shrugs>
Alessar Kaldorei Caldari Free Space Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.07 02:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Alessar Kaldorei on 07/09/2006 02:03:41 Better idea. The problem with ISK sellers is people who buy from them. If noone bought from them, then they'd pack up and leave. So, let's make people with active accounts, that are the ones that would be buying the ISK, be subjected to those limitations.
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 02:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Liegus How do they choose their spam victims? I've gotten a grand total of two isk selling evemails in my two months of playing Eve (both from trade4game.com... Chinese outfit, though they listed their domain registration in Houston for some reason, possibly brain damage). Err back on topic... do people really get so much isk selling spam that it's a serious bother? They spam the common channels, aside from local and corp. And up until a couple days ago, I had nobody on my blocked list. Now I have 4 in the last 24 hours.
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 02:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei Edited by: Alessar Kaldorei on 07/09/2006 02:03:41 Better idea. The problem with ISK sellers is people who buy from them. If noone bought from them, then they'd pack up and leave. So, let's make people with active accounts, that are the ones that would be buying the ISK, be subjected to those limitations. Oh yeah, there's no doubt that the problem is being dragged out by those people that just don't care to work for their isk. However, there will always be those people. The spammers are justified not from the people buying but because they have the ability to market their crap without fear of any loss.
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.07 02:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei Edited by: Alessar Kaldorei on 07/09/2006 02:03:41 Better idea. The problem with ISK sellers is people who buy from them. If noone bought from them, then they'd pack up and leave. So, let's make people with active accounts, that are the ones that would be buying the ISK, be subjected to those limitations. I don't condone isk buying, but im going to play devil's advocate here. It takes about a day to make 100mil isk ratting in 0.0 (bounties only). 100mil i think goes for $15 on ebay. So in that day, instead of wasting your time ratting, you could have been working on (as an example) a website to make yourself $500. You have to look at why people are buying the isk. Gaming is appealing to lots of people now, some don't have the time to sit and stare at a computer screen for hours on end. This is where simply buying the isk appeals to people, especially those with JOBS. Also, its not like the isk that is being purchased is being created out of thin air. The macro miners have to mine the ore and sell it to people in order to get the isk. The isk is just being moved around in the economy, which won't lead to mega-super-ultra-retarded inflation.
Skyles Kragan	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:17:00 - [19] Originally by: jbob2000 Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei Edited by: Alessar Kaldorei on 07/09/2006 02:03:41 Better idea. The problem with ISK sellers is people who buy from them. If noone bought from them, then they'd pack up and leave. So, let's make people with active accounts, that are the ones that would be buying the ISK, be subjected to those limitations. I don't condone isk buying, but im going to play devil's advocate here. It takes about a day to make 100mil isk ratting in 0.0 (bounties only). 100mil i think goes for $15 on ebay. So in that day, instead of wasting your time ratting, you could have been working on (as an example) a website to make yourself $500. You have to look at why people are buying the isk. Gaming is appealing to lots of people now, some don't have the time to sit and stare at a computer screen for hours on end. This is where simply buying the isk appeals to people, especially those with JOBS. Also, its not like the isk that is being purchased is being created out of thin air. The macro miners have to mine the ore and sell it to people in order to get the isk. The isk is just being moved around in the economy, which won't lead to mega-super-ultra-retarded inflation. I know you're playing devils advocate here. I don't condone isk selling either, never bought it never sold it never had a desire to. I also work for a living. People have been "buying x" for a long time. You can't stop it, it's going to happen. It's the marketing that is the problem. It is blatant spitting in the face of the eula. It's like these people look at the eula and laugh at the time and effort that was put into it. The rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to these people spamming the channels. Now if CCP wants to encourage this behavior then don't change anything. I don't believe that CCP is ignoring the problem, I believe they are taking measures to stop it. However, there will come a time when CCP will have to make a drastic choice because they can't have it both ways. Either allow it or not allow it. (and for clarity, I am not speaking of the buying and selling of isk but of the [marketing of the services]) These dirt bags have been around for a long time without their marketing practices infiltrating my entertainment.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Samirol on 07/09/2006 03:21:49 Originally by: Skyles Kragan 14 Day Trial Players: - Cannot trade with other players - Cannot purchase items from escrow - Cannot send eve-mail changed it to be better whiners Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Darviaari	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:28:00 - [21] I thing that restriction 1 mail per day should be enough. The normal noob doesnt need to send more mails. (in most cases)
Alessar Kaldorei Caldari Free Space Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:51:00 - [22] I don't have a problem per se with ISK selling. However, macroers and people who try to make a living out of it are a real problem, because they effectively 'print money'. I like what CCP has done with GTC selling and trading, and I think if people stuck to that system, and only bought GTCs from the vendors CCP sells to directly, macroers would wither out and die, leaving only people who want to play, not farm. But this requires that people that want to get ISK stop buying it directly, or buying GTCs in eBay to save a few bucks. That's really the problem, as I see it.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.07 03:53:00 - [23] CCP are making a profit now * i think just remove all trial accounts but thats a bit extreme but yes limiting them to 5-10 mails per day would be a good start Restrict them to civilian modules and ships (mmm not sure) Restrict them to high sec (good idea) But really they need to block the main websites so if i am ISK seller a) sending a link to hte website in question for myh ill gotten gains it never arrives at the sender instead it goes straight to CCP devs who check it out and squash em Players arent annoyed and their hair brain schemes are squashed
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2006.09.07 04:57:00 - [24] 14 dayers = No E-Mailing more then a few times a day would be good enough to not get spammed by them and so that would be good enough for me. and it would not drive any n00bs away I think.
Vance Moore	Posted - 2006.09.07 05:01:00 - [25] the point of the trial is to let people see as much as possible to make a decision.. if you make the game crappy for a trial, they arent going to want to buy it. They do need to do something about those groups of 4 day old trial member cruiser pilots that like to gank indys in 1.0 space. Come on, u cant tell me someone that already has an account in EVE isnt running those.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.09.07 06:21:00 - [26] Well, I might be tempted to forbid them advertising ingame their contract breaking service. Change the way trials work. Allow them to communicate only after they send back an old style letter - or a symbolic 1USD test fee payable via CC. Send the letter out to them using the cheapest possible way. Let's say for 15k USD for each offense. The verification service could be a nice project for multiple online game companies. Linking it to a payment service could make life much easier for companies and customers if the service is good. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Quin Tal	Posted - 2006.09.07 06:47:00 - [27] Edited by: Quin Tal on 07/09/2006 06:47:48 Quote: - Cannot list items for sale on the market - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow - Cannot talk in chat channels rofl.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.07 06:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Skyles Kragan 14 Day Trial Players: - Cannot own more than 10M isk - Cannot trade with other players beyond 10M isk - Cannot be invited into Corporations - Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow beyond 10M isk - Cannot put up or claim escrows beyond 10M isk - Cannot send eve-mail - Can only open a limited set of channels Adjusted to let trail players have some fun but not being able to be misused by nasty ISK sellers.
Lucio Gallente Incorporated Holdings	Posted - 2006.09.07 07:00:00 - [29] Well, no matter how many measures you come up with to limit ISK selling on trial accounts, you can't do it AND retain a trial that's effective enough to actually test the game. Hmmm, I wonder though, what if the trial account was designed to automatically give you a character that was roughly equivilant to one three months old? Equip it with a special class of "noob" type ship that can't be traded or recycled along with a choice of modules and then maybe you could impose heavy restrictions like no trading, no escrow purchase and no market use. Still, isn't it better if there was simply enough GM's to monitor the activities of the trial accounts and if any extreme ISK transfers occur, they just take it away. Once enough people loose their cash to these idiots and don't get the ISK they've paid for then the market will dry up to very limited amounts... ************************************************ Yes, I know I have a negative sec. status but I'm not a pirate damnit!
DaveJ777	Posted - 2006.09.07 07:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Skyles Kragan 14 Day Trial Players: - Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them - Cannot trade with other players - Cannot be invited into Corporations - Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation - Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow - Cannot list items for sale on the market - Cannot send or receive eve-mail - Cannot talk in chat channels I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this. Head to a nice 0.0 system please, and tell me which one :) ___________________________________________ I win eve! EVE server status:

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