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Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Audrea Well thats fine and good, but point is, ISS dont just send pvpers for skirmishes.. they actually intervene in another conflict for territorial contesting. Do you realise that ISS are indeed neutral to entities in EVE except those that are hostile to it. When someone shoots ISS they have opened the door for ISS to set them to -10, once you accept that they do indeed have that option and also maintain EVE neutrality then all will be made clear. All of the combatants against UK are hostile with ISS, also ISS does not want those hostiles to have a base very near to one of their interests. Now who said that ISS have to limit their responce to anyone who attacks them? Why should it be limited to skirmishing? Once you make ISS set you to red then they can do what they want to, up to and including taking or stopping you getting an outpost of your own. Originally by: Audrea No, its obvious they will not, however the point is, ISS doesnt know for 100% certainity that THEY will be the next target to be sieged. It doesn't matter if ISS think they will be sieged or not, these people attacking UK are their enemies, and also attack all those who would trade with ISS and thus help them satisfy their share holders. Thus ISS have a moral obligation to thier share holders to pacify an area surrounding thier outposts in order for trade and thus dividends to be maximised. Originally by: Audrea Sure, if ISS was just another alliance like the rest, that wouldnt be exceptional, but they claim to be neutrals. I mean, attacking pirates randomly is one thing and is fine, but intervening in another conflict? no matter how close it is, that means they arent that neutral, cause as I said they cant be sure that EST and the others will turn on ISS outposts next. Attacking those that are hostile to them anyway does not break this neutrality as there is no limit on the action they can take, if there was they would loose their outposts. Once you shoot ISS ships or break their rules in their space you are fair game, in fact I remember recently ISS reset their standings back to neutral to give people a second chance so the corps they are attacking now really want to be hostile with ISS. Originally by: Audrea All true, its also possible they deployed 5bil in towers just to get some decent pvp But yeah I agree about the POS fuel bull.. not very interstin part of the game, although I imagine fueling them with Nyx should be very easy hehe, she can jump like 6 industrials at once, thats enough fuel for all 5 towers Yes I think Establishment and their allies are really going for this, however personally I think that the holding space way of life will be a whole new ball game for them and one I don't think they'd enjoy. Of course they could prove me wrong on this and it isn't a comment on their abilities or anything but just a personal objective viewpoint.
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:13:00 - [92] I don't think these guys plan on holding the outpost - they are just busting out the shiny ships and getting some good fights. Their assault plan does not sound very well thought-out, and they have not done their homework on the U'K and its friendships. My guess is they pop some POSs, maybe claim the outpost for a day or two, do some chest-thumping, then run off before the real work sets in.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:23:00 - [93] Originally by: Lord Spidey Originally by: Vandervecken Smith Yet your grand coalition of pirates chooses to attack Ushra'Khan (300 members), a considerably weaker power in the region. In short get a clue. Just an example, one of our member corps has about 60 members, in corp chat you find 5 - so how reliable are the uprounded rough numbers you get from the eve-online information ressource? I leave the conclusion up to you, youre a smart boy. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webhosting
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Witch Doctor I don't think these guys plan on holding the outpost - they are just busting out the shiny ships and getting some good fights. Their assault plan does not sound very well thought-out, and they have not done their homework on the U'K and its friendships. My guess is they pop some POSs, maybe claim the outpost for a day or two, do some chest-thumping, then run off before the real work sets in. Given that the preparation for this assault dates back at least one month, it seems unlikely that the sole goal is a few days worth of fun. And given that the attacking coalition includes EST (a well-known user of a large capital ship) and Ethereal Dawn (a producer of capital ships), it would not be unreasonable to conclude that the ultimate aim is to establish a capital shipyard in 9uy.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:35:00 - [95] Originally by: Tar Kovsky Given that the preparation for this assault dates back at least one month, it seems unlikely that the sole goal is a few days worth of fun. And given that the attacking coalition includes EST (a well-known user of a large capital ship) and Ethereal Dawn (a producer of capital ships), it would not be unreasonable to conclude that the ultimate aim is to establish a capital shipyard in 9uy. Hmmm well that would stay there a long time I think .
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:44:00 - [96] Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 08/09/2006 13:29:05 Originally by: EvilNate Originally by: Wild Rho I was very suprised to see veto named amoung the corps involved. Why? IIRC, Veto do take on the occasional contract, as do most pirate corps. Also have a safe haven for conducting 0.0 piracy is always a bonus. Nate. Long story short as far as I knew Veto was hostile to everyone except snigg and that was it. Hearing they are also doing merc work is a bit of a suprise, that's all. Myself, or the rest of my members do not feel the urge to get involved in a childish smack war on the forums, since it will only reflect badly on our name and that's something that none of our guys want. Hence, I'll be the only person posting here when needed. We were asked to come along on this, and were flattered by the invitation that FZN and EST offered. Yes, it is strange adjusting to having more than one blue corp in Eve, the corp thought and decided as one, long and hard about this for several weeks before joining in, we all feel the rewards that a venture like this can present are worth it, even if we're only there for the fighting. This is not merc work, we're not being paid. We're simply there to fight and kill, or die as some of us occasionally do. We're there purely for the action. On a further note, as for bragging about killing a Veto ceptor squad with a "Discophoon", go you. Our guys had a good laugh about it afterwards, it happens. I expected smack from Ushra'Khan, it tends to happen outside the realms of RP, but it's ignored by our members. We're not there to flash off our killboard statistics, or look like "teh uber pvpers" in front of people, we play for fun. Our corp has nothing to prove to anyone in Eve, trolling us on the forums regarding killing a few ceptors (with a smartbombing Typhoon, of all things) will not grant you a satisfying torrent of smacktalk from my members. To Ushra'Khan and ISS? Good fight so far, our members are having fun. Oh btw, Hi Rho, my sexeh Amarrian man ♥ BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
B1uedrag0n	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:49:00 - [97] There is so much speculation about the attack in 9uy. Allow me to clarify a few small points. 1. UK is considered a weak alliance, as per information provided to us, and there pathetic resistance efforts. Not only do they not deserve to hold the system, but they do so ineffectivly. 2. ISS is of little concern to us. This fractioned alliance is so spread thin in eve right now, its amazing they had the ability to muster up the carrier resistance that they did. i am throughly impressed by this, as i am sure i will be by there timly defeat. 3. Our pirate coalition will take the station, and hold it for as long as we choose. The radicial Ammarians nearby should perhaps content with the brewing dissent withing there own ranks before attempting to quell any assualts they clearly do not have the stomach for, lest they be WD'ed. More information will be provided by the hunters as our prey are swiftly defeated. History is written by the winners, not the slaves....
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:55:00 - [98] Edited by: Ange1 on 08/09/2006 16:55:04 UK are not a weak alliance (unless you go by pure numbers of their alliance). If anything they have proven quite capable PvP'ers on our engagements with them and they are certaintly learning how to deal with Motherships The Establishment is at your service...
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:57:00 - [99] Verone put your corp under your name or your post is gonna get modded
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:00:00 - [100] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Audrea Well thats fine and good, but point is, ISS dont just send pvpers for skirmishes.. they actually intervene in another conflict for territorial contesting. Do you realise that ISS are indeed neutral to entities in EVE except those that are hostile to it. When someone shoots ISS they have opened the door for ISS to set them to -10, once you accept that they do indeed have that option and also maintain EVE neutrality then all will be made clear. All of the combatants against UK are hostile with ISS, also ISS does not want those hostiles to have a base very near to one of their interests. Now who said that ISS have to limit their responce to anyone who attacks them? Why should it be limited to skirmishing? Once you make ISS set you to red then they can do what they want to, up to and including taking or stopping you getting an outpost of your own. Originally by: Audrea No, its obvious they will not, however the point is, ISS doesnt know for 100% certainity that THEY will be the next target to be sieged. It doesn't matter if ISS think they will be sieged or not, these people attacking UK are their enemies, and also attack all those who would trade with ISS and thus help them satisfy their share holders. Thus ISS have a moral obligation to thier share holders to pacify an area surrounding thier outposts in order for trade and thus dividends to be maximised. Originally by: Audrea Sure, if ISS was just another alliance like the rest, that wouldnt be exceptional, but they claim to be neutrals. I mean, attacking pirates randomly is one thing and is fine, but intervening in another conflict? no matter how close it is, that means they arent that neutral, cause as I said they cant be sure that EST and the others will turn on ISS outposts next. Attacking those that are hostile to them anyway does not break this neutrality as there is no limit on the action they can take, if there was they would loose their outposts. Once you shoot ISS ships or break their rules in their space you are fair game, in fact I remember recently ISS reset their standings back to neutral to give people a second chance so the corps they are attacking now really want to be hostile with ISS. Originally by: Audrea All true, its also possible they deployed 5bil in towers just to get some decent pvp But yeah I agree about the POS fuel bull.. not very interstin part of the game, although I imagine fueling them with Nyx should be very easy hehe, she can jump like 6 industrials at once, thats enough fuel for all 5 towers Yes I think Establishment and their allies are really going for this, however personally I think that the holding space way of life will be a whole new ball game for them and one I don't think they'd enjoy. Of course they could prove me wrong on this and it isn't a comment on their abilities or anything but just a personal objective viewpoint. Well pretty fair write up. You may even be right, I forgot about ISS's standing reset that as you said, gave second chance to corps. Nevertheless, I dont have to like ISS ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:02:00 - [101] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 08/09/2006 17:05:31 Originally by: B1uedrag0n There is so much speculation about the attack in 9uy. Allow me to clarify a few small points. 1. UK is considered a weak alliance, as per information provided to us, and there pathetic resistance efforts. Not only do they not deserve to hold the system, but they do so ineffectivly. 2. ISS is of little concern to us. This fractioned alliance is so spread thin in eve right now, its amazing they had the ability to muster up the carrier resistance that they did. i am throughly impressed by this, as i am sure i will be by there timly defeat. 3. Our pirate coalition will take the station, and hold it for as long as we choose. The radicial Ammarians nearby should perhaps content with the brewing dissent withing there own ranks before attempting to quell any assualts they clearly do not have the stomach for, lest they be WD'ed. More information will be provided by the hunters as our prey are swiftly defeated. History is written by the winners, not the slaves.... A quick scan of B1uedrag0n on our killboards indicates that he has not been involved in any kills nor have ushra'khan killed him. Given the fact this conflict has been going on for well over a month all I can do at this stage is laugh. I will put my hands up right now and say that U'K is not the best PVP alliance out there, but we are certainly not weak. And Right now our kills are 50/50 against superior numbers that include corps like EST and FZN who actually know what they are doing. I do not expect to lose this outpost, nor will I be suprised if we do. Now Recruiting
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:03:00 - [102] Originally by: Tar Kovsky Originally by: Witch Doctor I don't think these guys plan on holding the outpost - they are just busting out the shiny ships and getting some good fights. Their assault plan does not sound very well thought-out, and they have not done their homework on the U'K and its friendships. My guess is they pop some POSs, maybe claim the outpost for a day or two, do some chest-thumping, then run off before the real work sets in. Given that the preparation for this assault dates back at least one month, it seems unlikely that the sole goal is a few days worth of fun. And given that the attacking coalition includes EST (a well-known user of a large capital ship) and Ethereal Dawn (a producer of capital ships), it would not be unreasonable to conclude that the ultimate aim is to establish a capital shipyard in 9uy. You'd be surprised at how much truth there is in his post. Planning may predate the attack by a month, but that doesn't make it well planned. It just means the corporations involved don't know what they are doing as an alliance. Mostly because they all come from a similar background and hate the very concept of an alliance. Some seriously flaccid ambitions at the core of it. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Ginaz Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:31:00 - [103] hmm pie this siege won't be won on forums Video: 'Behind enemy lines' Queen of the Amazones
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:37:00 - [104] Originally by: B1uedrag0n History is written by the winners, not the slaves.... And the forums are edited by the mods who will pod yours and Verone's post unless you show your corp ticker when you post.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:13:00 - [105] Edited by: Sykosys on 08/09/2006 18:14:14 Originally by: Ginaz hmm pie this siege won't be won on forums Agreed 100%
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.08 18:44:00 - [106] lets not start forum wars its just a game lets just try to have as much fun as we can (may the best pos spammer win) May contain traces of irony "Yes Mister Tristan"
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:00:00 - [107] What Digital said. I'm sure they have thought about holding the station, but I don't think they have thought through a plan on keeping it for an extended period. I don't see these guys getting in the hauling and standings business, all big parts of holding an outpost, and they have made a classic mistake of uniting, not dividing, the local natives. As for the shipyard, 9UY would have to be one of the worst places to establish a capital shipyard in and of itself, being so close to empire. Capital shipyards have proven themselves to be smackdown beacons in such locations. But to do so as a collective entity that has nothing but enemies in the area and by wresting control of the station from shall we say an unnaturally zealous alliance like the U'K, however weak their PVPing might be, would be sheer folly. But they do like fighting, so maybe that's what this is all about. They would probably end up spending less just hiring us to fight them.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:22:00 - [108] Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 08/09/2006 19:22:33 noone remembers c.o.c.k. taking over iss's outpost down there a few months ago?
Ryle Caldari Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.09.08 19:54:00 - [109] Originally by: DigitalCommunist You'd be surprised at how much truth there is in his post. Planning may predate the attack by a month, but that doesn't make it well planned. It just means the corporations involved don't know what they are doing as an alliance. Mostly because they all come from a similar background and hate the very concept of an alliance. Some seriously flaccid ambitions at the core of it. (emphasis mine) Ignorance must be bliss. All I'll say is this: good luck EST and allies, I know what you're doing and what you're capable of. Keep up the good work. ------------------------------- -If you're going through Hell... Keep going.-
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:52:00 - [110] Seleene are you flirting with me? Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
methosbhunter Immortalis Silens Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:56:00 - [111] I see Pirates as a missunderstood word. i see pirates as teachers and i will tell you why they are missunderstood pirates are just highly territorial and will shoot anything embarking on the same territory as them. best to be not in the same place they all are people to and alot of them are the most down to earth people i know pirates also teach us when we are weak to be stronger you know that hauler you lost because you where traveling alone ? you just got taught to travel armed or in a group. piratecy is not a bad thing it is actually a very beutiful way of life if you actually understood it they are not here to wreck your day as it may seem many times over and over again that they are. you just aint seeing them for what they are as great teachers full of wisdom trying to share it with you in the best way possible with pure brute force to knock it in. dont mock them for there action thank them for there help. ☠'s ftw oh and this post is the result of BEING CALLED A PIRATE does my sig look like a pirate sig to you ?
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:27:00 - [112] Originally by: methosbhunter oh and this post is the result of BEING CALLED A PIRATE does my sig look like a pirate sig to you ? Yar! The only thing I've ever seen you pirate is a chunk of arkonor.....and that was on a good day. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Tbone Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:04:00 - [113] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 08/09/2006 17:05:31 Originally by: B1uedrag0n There is so much speculation about the attack in 9uy. Allow me to clarify a few small points. 1. UK is considered a weak alliance, as per information provided to us, and there pathetic resistance efforts. Not only do they not deserve to hold the system, but they do so ineffectivly. 2. ISS is of little concern to us. This fractioned alliance is so spread thin in eve right now, its amazing they had the ability to muster up the carrier resistance that they did. i am throughly impressed by this, as i am sure i will be by there timly defeat. 3. Our pirate coalition will take the station, and hold it for as long as we choose. The radicial Ammarians nearby should perhaps content with the brewing dissent withing there own ranks before attempting to quell any assualts they clearly do not have the stomach for, lest they be WD'ed. More information will be provided by the hunters as our prey are swiftly defeated. History is written by the winners, not the slaves.... A quick scan of B1uedrag0n on our killboards indicates that he has not been involved in any kills nor have ushra'khan killed him. Given the fact this conflict has been going on for well over a month all I can do at this stage is laugh. I will put my hands up right now and say that U'K is not the best PVP alliance out there, but we are certainly not weak. And Right now our kills are 50/50 against superior numbers that include corps like EST and FZN who actually know what they are doing. I do not expect to lose this outpost, nor will I be suprised if we do. Eddie, oh eddie. I told myself i wasnt gonna reply to this thread. But when you tell lies, I have to do it. I can tell you, your numbers are WAY OFF. I dont want to get into this killboard war. But by our campaign, we have significantly, outkilled UK. You can always check our killboard. i think it speaks for itself. If you think anyone isnt posting on our side, you can always evemail me and ill have a look. But FZN has always posted all kills and losses. Our link to our killboard is under my sig. So check there bro. No more killboard talk from me. ----------------------------------------------- Finite Horizon
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:07:00 - [114] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 08/09/2006 22:09:14 Originally by: tookar One of ouur pilots tried to bring his small gang down the pipe yesterday to disrupt the heretics supply lines and do our small bit to help rid the south of these disloyal ex-slaves . He was met at a cva gate camp of 8-10 ships (hacs and bs) and his gang was refused entry despite protesting that we were loyal servants of the empire . This can only lead me to conclude that cva has thrown in its hand with the nefarious ushrakhan and slyph alliance and as such we have set them to red and shall be killing them at every oppurtunity ! As the leader of The Legion that you so have begun to question. I told said Pilot he could go thru the Assah area into providence if he so desired to engage UNTIL I had the status as to why you were kos fixed/changed. However he did not like that answer, and as such threated us with harm and injury in return. Thou that never did occur, I am rest assured that the reasonings you were set as hostile towards us shouldn't be taken lightly, as for 2 years piloting now I have never set standings to reflect anything else but hostile agression fired first. However we do hope you enjoy your visit to R3 Equinox Daedalus The Legion of Spoon Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:09:00 - [115] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 08/09/2006 22:16:59 Individual corps have out-killed us, but on the whole UK kills in this war have been 50/50 FZN and EST have much better efficiency than others. This Week, 130 kills for, 150 kills against 9345 points for, 9815 Kills against Last Week 128 kills for, 151 Kills against 9995 points for, 10980 points against Points are kind of meaningless, but they give you an idea of the relative value lost/killed. Now Recruiting
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:15:00 - [116] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 08/09/2006 19:22:33 noone remembers c.o.c.k. taking over iss's outpost down there a few months ago? That was our fault really, an internal mess-up led to Sov dropping. C.OCK deployed a dread which we popped. Today, ISS and U'K have popped another of their dreads, and an Archon. I'm looking at ISSN losses totalling two frigates from our action so far today. Its been great fun so far, and we sincerly thank our opponents for a smack-free fight.
Pylse Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:24:00 - [117] Today has been a day of blood. Our last engagement was incredibly lagged and our BS fleet suffered from 5 minutes of not being able to do anything (including loading up) in order to have 30 second locking time and 20 second module lag. Essentially it was rather ugly. Then the server crashed =P
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:32:00 - [118] Originally by: DeMundus Seleene are you flirting with me? Don't tell Istvaan. He gets jealous and... bad things happen. - Remember Shaelin
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:33:00 - [119] Come now Eddie, it doesnt matter if you loose a thousand more ships or kill a hundred of theirs, if you still hold unity when october comes. You have won.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:34:00 - [120] A huge battle occured between EST Allied forces and U'K Allied forces an hour or so ago as we were assaulting one of U'Ks POS's. In the ensuing battle, ships were lost on both sides, including an allied Dread. In the midst of this engagement, for both sides, was horrendous lag before the node dropped mid-battle, causing much of 9UY to crash. The Carrier was lost some time before this engagement and quite frankly, seeing a Carrier die in what was recorded as about 30 seconds, was surprising. Though I suppose 40 Fighters and a few dozen enemy ships will do it Still, it has been fun so far. Onwards! The Establishment is at your service...

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