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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:38:00 -
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Just a helpful note for people who may, unlike me, scan the forums before accepting a 1v1, if it's a TURBY employee offering, don't do it. Last night I demolished a TURBY Absolution in a declared 1v1 only to have it warp away with hull on fire, and the pilots' alt scram'n'jam me with a rook while the Absolution recovered from the really lopsided punishment he'd been handed. Then, with me essentially permajammed, the craft returned and - after a really really long time - finally managed to kill me.
In case the TURBY merc you're dealing with tries to downplay this post, the rules of our 1v1 specified no ECM, no warping. Oh, and while complaining about not liking NOS setups, both the guys alts NOSsed me. ;)
In summary: DO. NOT. ACCEPT. 1v1. WITH. TURBY. Or if you do, remember: it's a trap, get an axe.
This has been a Public Service Announcement from your local EVE TV affiliate.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.08 20:53:00 -
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Other side of the story por favor?
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:05:00 -
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What other side of the story is there, exactly, for someone violating a declared 1v1? "Oops, I accidentally brought my alt in, who accidentally permajammed my opponent while we spent the next 10m accidentally trying to get in enough DPS to accidentally finally get through his prodigious tank and accidentally kill him?"
The next to the last thing he said to me was, quote, "Pirated." The last thing was to offer to let me pay my way out of it.
Note that I am *NOT* accusing anyone of "cheating," a concept which is relative in a game like EVE. I admit this entire game is a study in Caveat Emptor. I am just trying to make sure that other potential victims understand the "caveat" part where TURBY is concerned.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:23:00 -
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Who is the person you 1v1'd? Whoever it is will be dealt with as Turby don't dishonour 1v1's or ransoms. We may be ebil piwats but we keep our word. Either post their name in here, or eve-mail me or whatever and I'll be sure that it gets passed on to the man in charge.
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Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie)
Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today!
I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus
I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
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Father Weebles
The Royal Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Father Weebles on 08/09/2006 21:51:21
I think i know who did it...
Lil...
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:50:00 -
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What can u expect from pirate than that?
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:55:00 -
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So as to avoid directly implicating any one person, I will handle the exchange of names in evemail. If the situation is dealt with, I will be happy to edit my original post with the appropriate information and, if necessary, a retraction.
NOTE: Until that time, my original post stands. TURBY disrespects 1v1's and any person offered a 1v1 by *any* TURBY member should understand that it appears to be TURBY corporate policy to violate a 1v1 if the TURBY member loses.
Words are good, but they are of no greater intrinsic value than the assurance of a 1v1 was to me last night.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Kernel Sander
So as to avoid directly implicating any one person, I will handle the exchange of names in evemail. If the situation is dealt with, I will be happy to edit my original post with the appropriate information and, if necessary, a retraction.
NOTE: Until that time, my original post stands. TURBY disrespects 1v1's and any person offered a 1v1 by *any* TURBY member should understand that it appears to be TURBY corporate policy to violate a 1v1 if the TURBY member loses.
Words are good, but they are of no greater intrinsic value than the assurance of a 1v1 was to me last night.
That sounds fair enough. Our CEO's been made aware of this thread and it's being dealt with. I'll keep you informed as much as I can.
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Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie)
Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today!
I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus
I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:06:00 -
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For what its worth I've had my run ins with Turby and I would trust them to honour ransoms and 1v1's should the occasion arise.
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tookar
Amarr
Krookid
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Posted - 2006.09.08 22:09:00 -
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Ah well at least you had more fun than me when i got warped to a pos after and agreed 1v1 duel .
The alliance involved shall remain unnamed ill try and gank some next time im down there and if not theres always mercs :)
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TribalBleb
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:13:00 -
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I havenĘt heard his side of the story yet but I do definitely not approve this kind of behaviour.
We do honour our 1vs1's and our ransoms, this will not happen again.
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: TribalBleb
I havenĘt heard his side of the story yet but I do definitely not approve this kind of behaviour.
We do honour our 1vs1's and our ransoms, this will not happen again.
To clarify: I am not disputing the claim that TURBY honors ransoms. When the TURBY employee offered me ransom at the end of the dishonored 1v1, I turned it down because I assumed that, as TURBY had violated the terms of a 1v1, I couldn't trust them to honor a ransom either.
TURBY cost me about 180 million in Raven + fixin's. I was not going to risk another ISK on the dubious prospect of them honoring a ransom at that point, it just seemed pointless. That said, turning down the ransom was my decision and their claim to honor ransoms is, to the best of my knowledge, valid. If anything I have said can be read differently, then I apologize for the confusion.
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Waragha
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.09 00:01:00 -
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So ... The turkey is baked?! 
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.09 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor.
Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
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Caleb Paine
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.09 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gift
Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor.
Well, that's a bunch of BS if I ever saw one. First of all 'honor' means absoulutely nothing here, keeping your word and having a set of principles does.
You meet good people and idiots everywhere in this game, it's as simple as that.
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2006.09.09 09:00:00 -
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point is, u never know, ehn do u meet pirate who is trustworthy in his words, and who is not..
i've been around 0.0 and low sec enough to know, that rather dont trust pirate then coop with him..
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Jake Stevens
Lone Wolves
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Posted - 2006.09.09 10:57:00 -
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Wow... After knowing turby for a while now, I could tell they were very much the people who honoured 1v1's and ransoms. We even had a chat about this a while ago and they said they would never ever dishonour a 1v1 or a ransom. Hopefully this is all a misunderstanding, but even after this event i'd happidly pay a ransom or 1v1 against turby.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine
Originally by: Gift
Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor.
Well, that's a bunch of BS if I ever saw one. First of all 'honor' means absoulutely nothing here, keeping your word and having a set of principles does.
You meet good people and idiots everywhere in this game, it's as simple as that.
It's all about honor, hence they call it "honoring you word".
Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
L.O.S.T. Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
don't tar everyone with the same brush, please.
This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations
Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah
Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon!
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.09 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
Whatever. This thread was to warn people about doing business with TURBY and expecting them to honor their agreements, not a general thread for debating the moral fiber of a whole group based on their profession. That discussion is for another thread or, better yet, no thread at all. I've had 1v1's before and no one has ever dishonored their agreement, win or lose.
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ian666
Minmatar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: ian666 on 12/09/2006 11:55:02
I've been away but i'll be sure to hear the story, and pwn whoever is in the wrong !! YAR
If you accept 1vs1 you should be there to the death ! we don't accept anyone that doesn't and would also be upset if this happened to my self, but we have to hear both sides of the story, we will have a answer later tonight.
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Dumus
Amarr
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:28:00 -
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VETO have had run ins with Turby. I can hand on heart say they honour their word and are a good bunch of guys. That said I know, as we have them now and again, people are sometimes ass-hats and break "corp" policies. When this happens in VETO it is dealt with very swiftly and if found guilty of anything, punished by a drop kick out the corp hanger door.
You should not tar the whole corp with the same brush. you should have said something like, A pilot from Turby dishonoured a 1v1" and I know the Turby guys would have acted on the intel.
I hope we hear from the CEO in this thread that it has been dealt with in an appropriate manner. Of course we do not need to hear the name. The word of the CEO should be enough.
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Resin Kadir
Lexx Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:33:00 -
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As far as rules for 1v1... You fight however you want and you warp away if need be but once a person warps away... I'd discontinue gang. For ECM and warp scrambling, hell yeah. The art of war is not fairness. If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums.
And alts being used in a 1v1 is wrong. Shame on turby.
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Resin Kadir
Lexx Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kernel Sander
Originally by: Miss KillSome
What can u expect from pirate than that?
Whatever. This thread was to warn people about doing business with TURBY and expecting them to honor their agreements, not a general thread for debating the moral fiber of a whole group based on their profession. That discussion is for another thread or, better yet, no thread at all. I've had 1v1's before and no one has ever dishonored their agreement, win or lose.
And yes, if you are going to slander an entire corp, you better expect a morale debate. One declaration does not make it so.
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kernel Sander on 12/09/2006 18:45:07
Originally by: Resin Kadir
As far as rules for 1v1... If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums.
The reason for the forum post is this: About 10 days ago, TURBY invaded Pakkonen, bottled up most of the people there and then began issuing 1v1 challenges. I took them up on it and they broke their word, so I announced in this thread that they had done so. This was done so that others issued similar challenges in the future would know the dangers involved.
As to the "cry about it in the forums" comment: was TURBY crying several threads back when they warned people about the guy who stole 400M ISK in loot from their corp hangar? They gave a heads up "watch out for this dude, he's a hangar thief." I was doing the same: "Watch out for TURBY, they dishonored a 1v1."
FWIW I'm also interested in hearing "the other side." Although the 1v1 challenge was issued on local over three successive days, and the killmail pretty clearly shows two ships involved in blowing me up. So that's gonna be an interesting other side to hear.
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Resin Kadir
As far as rules for 1v1... You fight however you want and you warp away if need be but once a person warps away... I'd discontinue gang. For ECM and warp scrambling, hell yeah. The art of war is not fairness. If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums.
And alts being used in a 1v1 is wrong. Shame on turby.
The art of war has nothing to do with a Dule, which is what a 1v1 implies. In war you blob, gank and slaugter.. that is war. Once you set up an engagment in chat and rules are communicated and agreed upon it's not "war" anymore. Anyone who fails to honor their word should be brought to the attention of the comunity on the boards.. Anyone saying, "say whatever gets someone to trust you long enough to get them in range of your gank" needs to be mentioned here so they are never trusted.
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Lilith Thy'nin
Caldari
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Thy''nin on 12/09/2006 19:52:15
omg multi posts ftl
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xtreamer
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:53:00 -
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I like pie 
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Lilith Thy'nin
Caldari
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:54:00 -
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M,M,M Monster Post!!
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xtreamer
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 -
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lilith do you like pie  ?
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