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ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:04:00 - [61] Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everything you lose a Raven ROFL.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:43:00 - [62] Originally by: ian666 Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everytime you lose a Raven ROFL. I really couldn't care less about all of this. But don't you think this was not exactly a smart thing to post? You aren't exactly proving your honour in any case. It was definetly not a fair fight. And while it isn't exactly clear or both sides dishonored the 1on1... saying it was a fair 1on1 while it's clear to all that it wasn't doesn't exactly make your side more credible.
Kaira Awe	Posted - 2006.09.13 13:06:00 - [63] Wow, TURBY keep digging huh?
Captain Hudson Caldari Bravehearts	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:08:00 - [64] I Like Turby. they provide good fun now and again ]
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:36:00 - [65] Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again.
jimmyjam	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:44:00 - [66] So What If Someone Can Control accounts at Once Does That Result In A Break Of A 1v1. I Myslef Avoid This by Not Doing 1v1.Or Ransoms for That Matter.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:31:00 - [67] I too like TURBY. I shot them and they shot me, though I can't recall any ship losses (other than that of former corp mates). Always had a pleasent chat afterwords. It was the surprising openness with them (and other pirates) that made me throw off the shackles of running security for my former corporation (a dreadfully dull task) and earn my fortune in the blood of others. +IOI?
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:31:00 - [68] FYI everyone - JimmyJam has sweaty nipples
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again. But we cannot trust TURBY again after this can we? (Trust as in keeping their word) -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:52:00 - [70] Tbh this thread doesn't look to well on turby. You guys first start off by saying how you're totally going to get to the bottom of this and how your word is everything. Then you end the thread saying "lol don't pvp if you can't stand losing a raven sux 2 be u." In rust we trust!!!
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Murukan Tbh this thread doesn't look to well on turby. You guys first start off by saying how you're totally going to get to the bottom of this and how your word is everything. Then you end the thread saying "lol don't pvp if you can't stand losing a raven sux 2 be u." Unfortunately i have to agree here. It seems that respectable corps like Turby always say that if any member dishonours a 1v1 they will be dealt with seriously. it seems here that that has happened and after an attempt to explain it was proven incorrect you seem to be trying to breeze over it now. My faith in Turby has been shaken lightly by the lack of action or response in light of the new words from the victim but i still believe this is not the kind of thing every member would be guilty of. DE
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again. Hey that would be fine... if not for the whole... TURBY doesn't dishonor 1on1s, we keep our word thing you had going on the first page. There's good reason to doubt that statement, and saying now "let's agree to disagree" doesn't really cut it to be honest. Not that I give a damn. But I'm telling you that if you care about your rep, this isn't a good course of action, or rather inaction.
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:52:00 - [73] On a serious note, if everything said about another person\corp on the forums is taken seriously then whats been said over the years about corps are cheating, using logging tricks, taking peoples ships unfair is all true and everything posted is proven facts. People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:02:00 - [74] Originally by: ian666 On a serious note, if everything said about another person\corp on the forums is taken seriously then whats been said over the years about corps are cheating, using logging tricks, taking peoples ships unfair is all true and everything posted is proven facts. People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby. Problem is, that he most certainly doesn't sound like a bitter whiner that wants to vent/slander after losing in a fair fight to me. And I completely understand trusting your corpmate to tell the truth and honour a 1on1 cause that's corp policy, would do the same. But 2 of your corpmates made having faith in that a little hard with their rude and unproductive replies. A simple post saying you asked your corpmate and he swears that he didn't dishonor the 1on1 anymore then the otherside ( which was stupid to begin with, if he checked your ship/setup and then fitted accordingly he should have blown off the 1on1, cause of gaining a unfair advantage ) would have been a lot better, even if going ahead with it anyway and then bringing in backup is plain and simple dishonoring a 1on1 and really logs aren't required to prove that.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:05:00 - [75] Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Damien Smith Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. End of story, well solved, and I'm sure the op will be happy about the reimbursement, but just a post like this does it for me.
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.13 18:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Damien Smith Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. Well i don;t know about anyone else but that was the kind of post i was waiting for, what i'd expect from a corp as good as Turbulent. Not just the re-imbursement but the sentiment. Nice work damien. DE
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:04:00 - [78] Originally by: ian666 People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Ian: I have been in daily contact with either Damien or your CEO. I have submitted local chat logs for a span of 3 days, private message logs for the day of the fight, my PvP setup (which was NOT some lame-ass uberNOS setup as lilith claims), my combat logs from the fight and everything else asked for. I even offered to send my chracter XML file because I am pretty certain my character couldn't fit the number of NOS I am accused of having. When confronted by more reasonable people than you, I have even adjusted the title of this thread to more accurately reflect events, even though I personally believe your entire corp bears some culpability in this matter. If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you. That is an internal problem, not mine, and you should take it up with them, not me. Originally by: ian666 Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. I love the irony in this paragraph. Originally by: ian666 As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby. No I shouldn't have come to you. I had never heard of you. I had never heard of TURBY before. My first contact with TURBY was a dishonored 1v1, and if you want a better reputation in EVE, maybe you shouldn't hire members who dishonor 1v1's. That's really all there is to this story. From what I have learned of TURBY since, you are a very old and very wealthy corporation. My corp is very young, very small and poor, but if one of my corpmates dishonored a 1v1 my corp would publicly apologize for the dishonor and deal very harshly with the perpetrator regardless of what it cost us in fighting strength or treasure. And we would EXPECT to be blasted in the forums for it. You would see none of the ridiculous bloviating crap I've gotten from you. Your corporation hires people who dishonor 1v1's, and then your corpmates lie about it and slander the victim. That's the simple truth and can be proven by, well, reading your post. You want that to not be the truth? Keep quiet about it until the facts are out, seek information from those in your corp who are obviously better informed, and don't recklessly spread accusations. This entire thread is about the reputation of Turbulent, as it should be. You are, in this matter, a representative of your corporation, and your comments are making your corporation look ridiculous.
crash003	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:48:00 - [79] so... now that turby doesnt have any reputation anymore...ive got 1 question for you kernal sanders... want a 1v1?
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:54:00 - [80] This situation has been resolved. Both the thread title and the original post have been modified to reflect that fact, for more information, please see the original post.
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.15 07:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO. Huh. Well, my comment suddenly seems alot more retarded than it did when I wrote it.
Vampari Hawkus Four Feathers	Posted - 2006.09.15 11:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Kernel Sander Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO. Huh. Well, my comment suddenly seems alot more retarded than it did when I wrote it. Not really, though CEO doesn't talk to himself apparently - huh?
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.15 11:46:00 - [84] Bother me again in that system and you'll regret it.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Vampari Hawkus Either the CEO is hostile as didn't get the logs or is not on speaking terms with his alt. Ian is co-ceo and wasn't fully aware of the situation before his post. He was just trying to defend against what he thought was yet another "zomg ebil piwats" thread. Originally by: Kinsy Bother me again in that system and you'll regret it. Care to elaborate? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Hori To Minmatar Rifter Corp	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:47:00 - [86] what system would that be?
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:54:00 - [87] I am pleased to see this has been resolved.. a little late maybe , but my 2 penny worth, having fought against Turby and also ben present at a 1v1 between a Turby member and one of ours I can say that i would trust Turby as a corp to honour 1v1's. I would also say Never ever take on a 1v1 challenge of connect 4 against them,,, they know what they are doing Oh and as an aside and totaly of topic, can all CEO's BEFORE issuing war dec's ensure they are decc'ing the right Turbulent.... all sorts of strange corps keep popping up in our eve-mail only to be withdrawn when the error is found MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:00:00 - [88] Originally by: merc999 Oh and as an aside and totaly of topic, can all CEO's BEFORE issuing war dec's ensure they are decc'ing the right Turbulent.... all sorts of strange corps keep popping up in our eve-mail only to be withdrawn when the error is found So all this time we've been having to pay for our wars, and having to cancel wars after a while so we can make new ones (3 war limit ftl) and you've been stealing all our free ones?! That's just not cricket old chap, just not cricket at all... ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy

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