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Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:38:00 - [1] Just a helpful note for people who may, unlike me, scan the forums before accepting a 1v1, if it's a TURBY employee offering, don't do it. Last night I demolished a TURBY Absolution in a declared 1v1 only to have it warp away with hull on fire, and the pilots' alt scram'n'jam me with a rook while the Absolution recovered from the really lopsided punishment he'd been handed. Then, with me essentially permajammed, the craft returned and - after a really really long time - finally managed to kill me. In case the TURBY merc you're dealing with tries to downplay this post, the rules of our 1v1 specified no ECM, no warping. Oh, and while complaining about not liking NOS setups, both the guys alts NOSsed me. ;) In summary: DO. NOT. ACCEPT. 1v1. WITH. TURBY. Or if you do, remember: it's a trap, get an axe. This has been a Public Service Announcement from your local EVE TV affiliate.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.08 20:53:00 - [2] Other side of the story por favor? Tharsis wants you - click it ;)
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:05:00 - [3] What other side of the story is there, exactly, for someone violating a declared 1v1? "Oops, I accidentally brought my alt in, who accidentally permajammed my opponent while we spent the next 10m accidentally trying to get in enough DPS to accidentally finally get through his prodigious tank and accidentally kill him?" The next to the last thing he said to me was, quote, "Pirated." The last thing was to offer to let me pay my way out of it. Note that I am NOT accusing anyone of "cheating," a concept which is relative in a game like EVE. I admit this entire game is a study in Caveat Emptor. I am just trying to make sure that other potential victims understand the "caveat" part where TURBY is concerned.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:23:00 - [4] Who is the person you 1v1'd? Whoever it is will be dealt with as Turby don't dishonour 1v1's or ransoms. We may be ebil piwats but we keep our word. Either post their name in here, or eve-mail me or whatever and I'll be sure that it gets passed on to the man in charge. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Father Weebles The Royal Guard	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Father Weebles on 08/09/2006 21:51:21 I think i know who did it... Lil...
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:50:00 - [6] What can u expect from pirate than that?
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:55:00 - [7] So as to avoid directly implicating any one person, I will handle the exchange of names in evemail. If the situation is dealt with, I will be happy to edit my original post with the appropriate information and, if necessary, a retraction. NOTE: Until that time, my original post stands. TURBY disrespects 1v1's and any person offered a 1v1 by any TURBY member should understand that it appears to be TURBY corporate policy to violate a 1v1 if the TURBY member loses. Words are good, but they are of no greater intrinsic value than the assurance of a 1v1 was to me last night.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.08 21:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Kernel Sander So as to avoid directly implicating any one person, I will handle the exchange of names in evemail. If the situation is dealt with, I will be happy to edit my original post with the appropriate information and, if necessary, a retraction. NOTE: Until that time, my original post stands. TURBY disrespects 1v1's and any person offered a 1v1 by any TURBY member should understand that it appears to be TURBY corporate policy to violate a 1v1 if the TURBY member loses. Words are good, but they are of no greater intrinsic value than the assurance of a 1v1 was to me last night. That sounds fair enough. Our CEO's been made aware of this thread and it's being dealt with. I'll keep you informed as much as I can. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:06:00 - [9] For what its worth I've had my run ins with Turby and I would trust them to honour ransoms and 1v1's should the occasion arise.
tookar Amarr Krookid	Posted - 2006.09.08 22:09:00 - [10] Ah well at least you had more fun than me when i got warped to a pos after and agreed 1v1 duel . The alliance involved shall remain unnamed ill try and gank some next time im down there and if not theres always mercs :)
TribalBleb Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:13:00 - [11] I havenÆt heard his side of the story yet but I do definitely not approve this kind of behaviour. We do honour our 1vs1's and our ransoms, this will not happen again.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.08 23:48:00 - [12] Originally by: TribalBleb I havenÆt heard his side of the story yet but I do definitely not approve this kind of behaviour. We do honour our 1vs1's and our ransoms, this will not happen again. To clarify: I am not disputing the claim that TURBY honors ransoms. When the TURBY employee offered me ransom at the end of the dishonored 1v1, I turned it down because I assumed that, as TURBY had violated the terms of a 1v1, I couldn't trust them to honor a ransom either. TURBY cost me about 180 million in Raven + fixin's. I was not going to risk another ISK on the dubious prospect of them honoring a ransom at that point, it just seemed pointless. That said, turning down the ransom was my decision and their claim to honor ransoms is, to the best of my knowledge, valid. If anything I have said can be read differently, then I apologize for the confusion.
Waragha Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.09 00:01:00 - [13] So ... The turkey is baked?! Originally by: Trepkos ... The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.09 05:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.09 07:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Gift Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor. Well, that's a bunch of BS if I ever saw one. First of all 'honor' means absoulutely nothing here, keeping your word and having a set of principles does. You meet good people and idiots everywhere in this game, it's as simple as that. Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back.
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2006.09.09 09:00:00 - [16] point is, u never know, ehn do u meet pirate who is trustworthy in his words, and who is not.. i've been around 0.0 and low sec enough to know, that rather dont trust pirate then coop with him..
Jake Stevens Lone Wolves	Posted - 2006.09.09 10:57:00 - [17] Wow... After knowing turby for a while now, I could tell they were very much the people who honoured 1v1's and ransoms. We even had a chat about this a while ago and they said they would never ever dishonour a 1v1 or a ransom. Hopefully this is all a misunderstanding, but even after this event i'd happidly pay a ransom or 1v1 against turby. ------------- YARRR
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.09 16:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Caleb Paine Originally by: Gift Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? I expect pirates to keep their word, they are they only people in eve in any honor. Well, that's a bunch of BS if I ever saw one. First of all 'honor' means absoulutely nothing here, keeping your word and having a set of principles does. You meet good people and idiots everywhere in this game, it's as simple as that. It's all about honor, hence they call it "honoring you word". Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation	Posted - 2006.09.09 16:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? don't tar everyone with the same brush, please. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.09 20:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? Whatever. This thread was to warn people about doing business with TURBY and expecting them to honor their agreements, not a general thread for debating the moral fiber of a whole group based on their profession. That discussion is for another thread or, better yet, no thread at all. I've had 1v1's before and no one has ever dishonored their agreement, win or lose.
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 11:53:00 - [21] Edited by: ian666 on 12/09/2006 11:55:02 I've been away but i'll be sure to hear the story, and pwn whoever is in the wrong !! YAR If you accept 1vs1 you should be there to the death ! we don't accept anyone that doesn't and would also be upset if this happened to my self, but we have to hear both sides of the story, we will have a answer later tonight.
Dumus Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.12 12:28:00 - [22] VETO have had run ins with Turby. I can hand on heart say they honour their word and are a good bunch of guys. That said I know, as we have them now and again, people are sometimes ass-hats and break "corp" policies. When this happens in VETO it is dealt with very swiftly and if found guilty of anything, punished by a drop kick out the corp hanger door. You should not tar the whole corp with the same brush. you should have said something like, A pilot from Turby dishonoured a 1v1" and I know the Turby guys would have acted on the intel. I hope we hear from the CEO in this thread that it has been dealt with in an appropriate manner. Of course we do not need to hear the name. The word of the CEO should be enough. ---------------------------
Resin Kadir Lexx Corp	Posted - 2006.09.12 12:33:00 - [23] As far as rules for 1v1... You fight however you want and you warp away if need be but once a person warps away... I'd discontinue gang. For ECM and warp scrambling, hell yeah. The art of war is not fairness. If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums. And alts being used in a 1v1 is wrong. Shame on turby.
Resin Kadir Lexx Corp	Posted - 2006.09.12 12:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Kernel Sander Originally by: Miss KillSome What can u expect from pirate than that? Whatever. This thread was to warn people about doing business with TURBY and expecting them to honor their agreements, not a general thread for debating the moral fiber of a whole group based on their profession. That discussion is for another thread or, better yet, no thread at all. I've had 1v1's before and no one has ever dishonored their agreement, win or lose. And yes, if you are going to slander an entire corp, you better expect a morale debate. One declaration does not make it so.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:35:00 - [25] Edited by: Kernel Sander on 12/09/2006 18:45:07 Originally by: Resin Kadir As far as rules for 1v1... If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums. The reason for the forum post is this: About 10 days ago, TURBY invaded Pakkonen, bottled up most of the people there and then began issuing 1v1 challenges. I took them up on it and they broke their word, so I announced in this thread that they had done so. This was done so that others issued similar challenges in the future would know the dangers involved. As to the "cry about it in the forums" comment: was TURBY crying several threads back when they warned people about the guy who stole 400M ISK in loot from their corp hangar? They gave a heads up "watch out for this dude, he's a hangar thief." I was doing the same: "Watch out for TURBY, they dishonored a 1v1." FWIW I'm also interested in hearing "the other side." Although the 1v1 challenge was issued on local over three successive days, and the killmail pretty clearly shows two ships involved in blowing me up. So that's gonna be an interesting other side to hear.
Galan Amarias	Posted - 2006.09.12 18:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Resin Kadir As far as rules for 1v1... You fight however you want and you warp away if need be but once a person warps away... I'd discontinue gang. For ECM and warp scrambling, hell yeah. The art of war is not fairness. If you can ECM, scram, NOS and deal out damage then I hope you can keep it up. And if you can;t handle that stuff against you... don't pvp and then cry about it on forums. And alts being used in a 1v1 is wrong. Shame on turby. The art of war has nothing to do with a Dule, which is what a 1v1 implies. In war you blob, gank and slaugter.. that is war. Once you set up an engagment in chat and rules are communicated and agreed upon it's not "war" anymore. Anyone who fails to honor their word should be brought to the attention of the comunity on the boards.. Anyone saying, "say whatever gets someone to trust you long enough to get them in range of your gank" needs to be mentioned here so they are never trusted.
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Lilith Thy''nin on 12/09/2006 19:52:15 omg multi posts ftl
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:53:00 - [28] I like pie _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:54:00 - [29] M,M,M Monster Post!!
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 - [30] lilith do you like pie ? _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 - [31] From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 - [32] ULTRA POST .......yes i do extremer
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:56:00 - [33] GOD LIKE POST!!! Yeah man pie rules
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:56:00 - [34] you realy do lilith? _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:57:00 - [35] realy do you becouse triby said you dint _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:58:00 - [36] man triby is * then man i bet you are * to _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:58:00 - [37] MEGA KILL POST!!!! Yeah well tribs likes cake. pie is better
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:00:00 - [38] so baisicly you play so you can get in bed with triby _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:00:00 - [39] DOMINATING!!!! POST. Yeah well i have already come out . and like i said homos should not play eve. so i cant you see
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:01:00 - [40] Edited by: Damien Smith on 12/09/2006 20:02:49 nvm. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:04:00 - [41] Flak MONKEY!!!!!! POST im * and thus i would do . and im like tottaly * myself omg * * * * * * *** im 4 years old hahahaha
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:13:00 - [42] **** DAIMIEN you wannit an figth on starter ships then you JAM ME! and use tech2 Drones thats just dishonor!!!!!!! _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:27:00 - [43] Originally by: TribalBleb Edited by: TribalBleb on 12/09/2006 19:49:49 Apparently my corp m8 was sitting outside the station where Kernel was docked when he challenged him for a 1vs1, Kernel undocked, had a look at his ship and docked, after that he fitted his ship specifically against it (Kernel fitted a nos raven, my corp m8 was in an absolution), you donÆt do that in a proper 1vs1. The 1vs1 got dishonoured on both sides, end of story. I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. First, I didn't undock and redock. second, i didn't refit my ship. You're being lied to. Third, I didn't activate my NOS until after he did, and at any rate NOS was never prohibited. How do you square this story with him using an ECM that was specifically prohibited? At this point, I realize this is all my word vs. my opponents. Is there any known way to verify our stories to suss out who is in the right? Might the logs hold clues to the docking sequences and order of operation for when weapons were brought to bear? I'm not at home so cannot check my combat logs right now, but if NOS shows up, then that will verify that my NOS was engaged only after his, although unfortunately it does little to verify my claim that I never redocked. Oh! Another clue to check for: I ganged the alt, not the primary, and was flown to the PVP spot. I believe I never even saw the Absolution until I reached the safe spot, and my opponent only told me that his Raven had been destroyed, but that he "had another ship" he could use. Any gang logs my opponent submitted should verify that. If the Absolution wasn't there, I cant very well have looked at it, can I?
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Damien Smith From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. You asked me for logs, did you ask him for them? Did you ask him for logs from both the primary and alt? I assume he's not stupid enough to submit a false story without scrubbing his logs first, but I'm willing to bet he didn't think to scrub the gang stuff out. If that's in there, you'll see who I ganged, and hopefully even a warp message. I think that will go a looooong way towards disproving his assertion that I got a good long look at his ship and then refit myself.
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:39:00 - [45] Kernel Sander do you like pie becouse i got some pie _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:47:00 - [46] I don't suppose a friendly GM could be bothered to check the logs for Pakkonen V Spacelane Patrol Testing Facility for the roughly two hours prior to my ships' destruction (2006.09.08 06:57 game time according to the killmail) and see if I redocked ever? It'd be fun to have some kind of official word on it. Are the game gods watching?
s33ker Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:51:00 - [47] LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... Turby.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:58:00 - [48] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... If a corps rep is at stake, I think it's best to resolve it the best way possible, don't you? [ore mongers, recruiting]
s33ker Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:59:00 - [49] perfect example, all tied up in reputation, seriously man its just a game.. Turby.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:59:00 - [50] my ship was ransomed by turby. i paid them and they let me go and i even got a nice chat out of them. IMO they're good ppl who keep their word, like most decent pirate corps tbh u just sound bitter about ur loss and want vengeance
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 21:07:00 - [51] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... Sure, it's just a game. And the warning that started the thread was just a warning. It's your corp that got all Sherlock Holmes about it. Scroll back through the thread and look. So, your CEO wanted to prove his corp doesn't dishonor 1v1's? Let's prove it. If he doesn't care, he should have just stayed out of the thread. This story that got concocted to allow TURBY to weasel out is pretty half-assed, but again it's your corp that seems to care. So, if TURBY is concerned that I'm distorting the record, how about helping to find out who is lying and who is telling the truth? Computers are very good at generating log messages and I'll bet that the EVE server logs have a record of my docking attempts on the day of the fight. Either I or my opponent can scrub our client logs, but the server logs would tell us everything we needed to know, especially since my opponent made the mistake of hanging his argument on a docking attempt and refit. Or has your corp, which began this entire courtroom drama by loudly proclaiming your honorable such and such, done a bit of soul searching and realized that they don't care about their reputation? Fine, stop bumping this thread up to the top of the charts and in a week it will be just another line that pops up in a few search queries. My part in all of this has simply been to agree to unmake the thread if you dealt with the issue. It don't matter to me, the fights already been and gone.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 22:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Damien Smith From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. I WIN! WOOOHOOO VICTORY FOR ME! ETCETERA! You just lost your argument. You say I had a Raven setup with 7x NOS and 1x launcher? First of all, i dont know that I could fit that... but that's totally irrelevent, and not the part where I win. You wanna know where I win? Look at the killmail. Specifically, look at how many NOS's were lost with my ship. Now look at how many launchers were lost with my ship. If I only had one launcher mounted, how come 5 are reported blown up in the killmail? Anyone feel like apologizing for accusing me of lying?
mallina Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 00:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Kernel Sander I WIN! WOOOHOOO VICTORY FOR ME! ETCETERA! gives Kernel a cookie grats Originally by: Kernel Sander Anyone feel like apologizing for accusing me of lying? many of us dont like the fact you seem to think the actions of one of our members reflects that of the entire corp. FYI this is the first time anything like this has happened with Turby, so its quite disconcerting to see a topic basically stating that all of TURBY will screw you over in a 1v1/ransom whenever they can, because that's certainly not the case. ----------- <3 Turbulance
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 00:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Kernel Sander on 13/09/2006 00:27:35 Originally by: mallina gives Kernel a cookie grats many of us dont like the fact you seem to think the actions of one of our members reflects that of the entire corp. FYI this is the first time anything like this has happened with Turby, so its quite disconcerting to see a topic basically stating that all of TURBY will screw you over in a 1v1/ransom whenever they can, because that's certainly not the case. You're right, you know. My original assessment was that under the circumstances, it made more sense to assume the worst - I certainly didn't trust any of you after that little escapade. However, in my subsequent dealings, both with your CEO and the guy who became my contact (Damien), I certainly have been given enough pause to rethink the logic of that kind of blanket statement. The, for want of a better term "verdict," seems remarkably halfassed, but I cannot argue that their chagrin over the affair is honest. So I find myself kind of wondering what to do about it. My inclination is to gas the thread and hope this is, as many of you maintain, anomalous. If it's not, then I worry that someone else who can ill afford to lose their BB might get lured into a 1v1 that their opponent has no intention of fighting fairly. Dunno. I kind of wish you guys had turned out to just not care about the insinuation That not being the case, I'm still trying to figure out what the right move is.
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:12:00 - [55] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... So breaking your word is alright? On the net, and in EvE, trust is hard earned and easily lost. Words like yours can tar your whole corp with a bad reputation, something which Damien is doing an admirable job of protecting.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... So breaking your word is alright? On the net, and in EvE, trust is hard earned and easily lost. Words like yours can tar your whole corp with a bad reputation, something which Damien is doing an admirable job of protecting. i think this is one of those "my quotes don't represent my corp" comments Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
dailyhazard Caldari Unauthorised.	Posted - 2006.09.13 07:43:00 - [57] Originally by: s33ker perfect example, all tied up in reputation, seriously man its just a game.. What you fail to see is, that reputation is the game, without reputation you have nothing, being feared is not only something to feel good inside about. But also something that gains you things such as contracts. Now, whether he refitted or not, that is what happens when someone is based in the station you are camping. A 1v1 was accepted, if he was bothered about this, then he should have just refused the 1v1.
Phron Caldari Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.13 08:19:00 - [58] Turd Submarines are dishonest and vile creatures in eve. Never trust them. And now that I've posted my 2 cents, let their flaming begin. They dishonor 1v1, they feed intel to the enemy when they are supposed "allies", they aid the enemy in warp in spots and supplying the enemy with lag tactics. All this from a former "ally" stand point. And again, after those 3 cents, let their flaming begin. "Tis' hard work bein this good!"
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 09:16:00 - [59] Edited by: Damien Smith on 13/09/2006 09:22:06 Originally by: Phron Turd Submarines are dishonest and vile creatures in eve. Never trust them. And now that I've posted my 2 cents, let their flaming begin. They dishonor 1v1, they feed intel to the enemy when they are supposed "allies", they aid the enemy in warp in spots and supplying the enemy with lag tactics. All this from a former "ally" stand point. And again, after those 3 cents, let their flaming begin. Is that so? I've only been in Turbulent for 5-6 months but in that time we've had no formal allies that I'm aware of. We don't nap other combat corps so how could we provide intel to an enemy? Everyone's an enemy to us. If you're going to make accusations like that then you'd better be a bit more specific about exactly what you're implying. Edit: Ah, I see what's going on here. By 'Turd Submarines' I assume you're talking about 'Turbulent Subversion'. We are a pirate corp and they are a mercenary corp, and have nothing to so with our corp 'Turbulent' apart from the name (which we had first btw). We've fought Turby Subversion many times and apart from them loving the ecm multispec a bit too much they've always given us a good clean fight. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:04:00 - [60] Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everytime you lose a Raven ROFL.
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:04:00 - [61] Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everything you lose a Raven ROFL.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:43:00 - [62] Originally by: ian666 Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everytime you lose a Raven ROFL. I really couldn't care less about all of this. But don't you think this was not exactly a smart thing to post? You aren't exactly proving your honour in any case. It was definetly not a fair fight. And while it isn't exactly clear or both sides dishonored the 1on1... saying it was a fair 1on1 while it's clear to all that it wasn't doesn't exactly make your side more credible.
Kaira Awe	Posted - 2006.09.13 13:06:00 - [63] Wow, TURBY keep digging huh?
Captain Hudson Caldari Bravehearts	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:08:00 - [64] I Like Turby. they provide good fun now and again ]
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:36:00 - [65] Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again.
jimmyjam	Posted - 2006.09.13 14:44:00 - [66] So What If Someone Can Control accounts at Once Does That Result In A Break Of A 1v1. I Myslef Avoid This by Not Doing 1v1.Or Ransoms for That Matter.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:31:00 - [67] I too like TURBY. I shot them and they shot me, though I can't recall any ship losses (other than that of former corp mates). Always had a pleasent chat afterwords. It was the surprising openness with them (and other pirates) that made me throw off the shackles of running security for my former corporation (a dreadfully dull task) and earn my fortune in the blood of others. +IOI?
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:31:00 - [68] FYI everyone - JimmyJam has sweaty nipples
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again. But we cannot trust TURBY again after this can we? (Trust as in keeping their word) -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.13 15:52:00 - [70] Tbh this thread doesn't look to well on turby. You guys first start off by saying how you're totally going to get to the bottom of this and how your word is everything. Then you end the thread saying "lol don't pvp if you can't stand losing a raven sux 2 be u." In rust we trust!!!
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Murukan Tbh this thread doesn't look to well on turby. You guys first start off by saying how you're totally going to get to the bottom of this and how your word is everything. Then you end the thread saying "lol don't pvp if you can't stand losing a raven sux 2 be u." Unfortunately i have to agree here. It seems that respectable corps like Turby always say that if any member dishonours a 1v1 they will be dealt with seriously. it seems here that that has happened and after an attempt to explain it was proven incorrect you seem to be trying to breeze over it now. My faith in Turby has been shaken lightly by the lack of action or response in light of the new words from the victim but i still believe this is not the kind of thing every member would be guilty of. DE
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Wow, Kaira! An alt trying to rock the boat, ROFL! Leave this discussion to the grown-ups hey ;-) It seems there is something a little untoward with this whole topic, therefore my suggestion is that we all "agree to disagree" - TURBY may be pirates, but we still care about our corp's reputation. WHATEVER happened here, which I suspect will never be clear, was a one-off and will not be happening again. Hey that would be fine... if not for the whole... TURBY doesn't dishonor 1on1s, we keep our word thing you had going on the first page. There's good reason to doubt that statement, and saying now "let's agree to disagree" doesn't really cut it to be honest. Not that I give a damn. But I'm telling you that if you care about your rep, this isn't a good course of action, or rather inaction.
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 16:52:00 - [73] On a serious note, if everything said about another person\corp on the forums is taken seriously then whats been said over the years about corps are cheating, using logging tricks, taking peoples ships unfair is all true and everything posted is proven facts. People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:02:00 - [74] Originally by: ian666 On a serious note, if everything said about another person\corp on the forums is taken seriously then whats been said over the years about corps are cheating, using logging tricks, taking peoples ships unfair is all true and everything posted is proven facts. People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby. Problem is, that he most certainly doesn't sound like a bitter whiner that wants to vent/slander after losing in a fair fight to me. And I completely understand trusting your corpmate to tell the truth and honour a 1on1 cause that's corp policy, would do the same. But 2 of your corpmates made having faith in that a little hard with their rude and unproductive replies. A simple post saying you asked your corpmate and he swears that he didn't dishonor the 1on1 anymore then the otherside ( which was stupid to begin with, if he checked your ship/setup and then fitted accordingly he should have blown off the 1on1, cause of gaining a unfair advantage ) would have been a lot better, even if going ahead with it anyway and then bringing in backup is plain and simple dishonoring a 1on1 and really logs aren't required to prove that.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:05:00 - [75] Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 17:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Damien Smith Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. End of story, well solved, and I'm sure the op will be happy about the reimbursement, but just a post like this does it for me.
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.13 18:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Damien Smith Well this has turned into a bit of a cluster** hasn't it? I originally got involved in this thread purely to pass the info on about what'd happened, seeing as I'm probably the only self-confessed forum *** out of the corp. It's now escalated to involve pretty much all of us. Needless to say that we now all look like a bunch of muppets and probably deservedly so. TribalBleb while probably not being as vocal as he could have been in this thread, has made it quite clear to everyone in the corp that crap like this won't be tolerated from any of us, so don't be thinking he's not done anything about it. Regardless of why the 1v1 was broken, the fact remains that it was, so I'm going to reimburse him for his loss and hope that he, and everyone else won't assume that this incident is anything other than a one off. Thanks to all those who stuck up for us, and I hope that those people still think enough of us to do the same again, if the need arises. Well i don;t know about anyone else but that was the kind of post i was waiting for, what i'd expect from a corp as good as Turbulent. Not just the re-imbursement but the sentiment. Nice work damien. DE
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:04:00 - [78] Originally by: ian666 People in the heat of the moment use slander to try and make a point with Kernel Sander not giving me or Tribs any fourm of evidence or posting it in his original post e.g logs? then we can only accept what our corp mate has said as being right, as any other CEO's would do trust his fellow mates until otherwise proven. Ian: I have been in daily contact with either Damien or your CEO. I have submitted local chat logs for a span of 3 days, private message logs for the day of the fight, my PvP setup (which was NOT some lame-ass uberNOS setup as lilith claims), my combat logs from the fight and everything else asked for. I even offered to send my chracter XML file because I am pretty certain my character couldn't fit the number of NOS I am accused of having. When confronted by more reasonable people than you, I have even adjusted the title of this thread to more accurately reflect events, even though I personally believe your entire corp bears some culpability in this matter. If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you. That is an internal problem, not mine, and you should take it up with them, not me. Originally by: ian666 Name calling with out any evidence is just slander lets be honest I don't feel this will cause anyone any problems trusting Turby as our reputation for trust has always been impeccable and we expected from time to time when you do upset people e.g taking there ships that there retaliation as part of the deal some people take it well some others donÆt. I love the irony in this paragraph. Originally by: ian666 As stated before that if this was a problem then Kernel Sander should have come direct to my self or Tribs before getting everyoneÆs backs up pointing fingers and really should have shown some evidence without any all it these accusations are nothing more then an attempt to bad mouth Turby. No I shouldn't have come to you. I had never heard of you. I had never heard of TURBY before. My first contact with TURBY was a dishonored 1v1, and if you want a better reputation in EVE, maybe you shouldn't hire members who dishonor 1v1's. That's really all there is to this story. From what I have learned of TURBY since, you are a very old and very wealthy corporation. My corp is very young, very small and poor, but if one of my corpmates dishonored a 1v1 my corp would publicly apologize for the dishonor and deal very harshly with the perpetrator regardless of what it cost us in fighting strength or treasure. And we would EXPECT to be blasted in the forums for it. You would see none of the ridiculous bloviating crap I've gotten from you. Your corporation hires people who dishonor 1v1's, and then your corpmates lie about it and slander the victim. That's the simple truth and can be proven by, well, reading your post. You want that to not be the truth? Keep quiet about it until the facts are out, seek information from those in your corp who are obviously better informed, and don't recklessly spread accusations. This entire thread is about the reputation of Turbulent, as it should be. You are, in this matter, a representative of your corporation, and your comments are making your corporation look ridiculous.
crash003	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:48:00 - [79] so... now that turby doesnt have any reputation anymore...ive got 1 question for you kernal sanders... want a 1v1?
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:54:00 - [80] This situation has been resolved. Both the thread title and the original post have been modified to reflect that fact, for more information, please see the original post.
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.15 07:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO. Huh. Well, my comment suddenly seems alot more retarded than it did when I wrote it.
Vampari Hawkus Four Feathers	Posted - 2006.09.15 11:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Kernel Sander Originally by: Belhorn Battlebeard Originally by: Kernel Sander If you have not seen any of this information, then it is because your CEO has not deemed fit to show it to you Just FYI mate, ian666 is also CEO. Huh. Well, my comment suddenly seems alot more retarded than it did when I wrote it. Not really, though CEO doesn't talk to himself apparently - huh?
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.15 11:46:00 - [84] Bother me again in that system and you'll regret it.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Vampari Hawkus Either the CEO is hostile as didn't get the logs or is not on speaking terms with his alt. Ian is co-ceo and wasn't fully aware of the situation before his post. He was just trying to defend against what he thought was yet another "zomg ebil piwats" thread. Originally by: Kinsy Bother me again in that system and you'll regret it. Care to elaborate? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Hori To Minmatar Rifter Corp	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:47:00 - [86] what system would that be?
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:54:00 - [87] I am pleased to see this has been resolved.. a little late maybe , but my 2 penny worth, having fought against Turby and also ben present at a 1v1 between a Turby member and one of ours I can say that i would trust Turby as a corp to honour 1v1's. I would also say Never ever take on a 1v1 challenge of connect 4 against them,,, they know what they are doing Oh and as an aside and totaly of topic, can all CEO's BEFORE issuing war dec's ensure they are decc'ing the right Turbulent.... all sorts of strange corps keep popping up in our eve-mail only to be withdrawn when the error is found MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:00:00 - [88] Originally by: merc999 Oh and as an aside and totaly of topic, can all CEO's BEFORE issuing war dec's ensure they are decc'ing the right Turbulent.... all sorts of strange corps keep popping up in our eve-mail only to be withdrawn when the error is found So all this time we've been having to pay for our wars, and having to cancel wars after a while so we can make new ones (3 war limit ftl) and you've been stealing all our free ones?! That's just not cricket old chap, just not cricket at all... ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy

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