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Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 - [31] From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:55:00 - [32] ULTRA POST .......yes i do extremer
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:56:00 - [33] GOD LIKE POST!!! Yeah man pie rules
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:56:00 - [34] you realy do lilith? _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:57:00 - [35] realy do you becouse triby said you dint _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:58:00 - [36] man triby is * then man i bet you are * to _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 19:58:00 - [37] MEGA KILL POST!!!! Yeah well tribs likes cake. pie is better
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:00:00 - [38] so baisicly you play so you can get in bed with triby _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:00:00 - [39] DOMINATING!!!! POST. Yeah well i have already come out . and like i said homos should not play eve. so i cant you see
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:01:00 - [40] Edited by: Damien Smith on 12/09/2006 20:02:49 nvm. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy

Lilith Thy'nin Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:04:00 - [41] Flak MONKEY!!!!!! POST im * and thus i would do . and im like tottaly * myself omg * * * * * * *** im 4 years old hahahaha
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:13:00 - [42] **** DAIMIEN you wannit an figth on starter ships then you JAM ME! and use tech2 Drones thats just dishonor!!!!!!! _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:27:00 - [43] Originally by: TribalBleb Edited by: TribalBleb on 12/09/2006 19:49:49 Apparently my corp m8 was sitting outside the station where Kernel was docked when he challenged him for a 1vs1, Kernel undocked, had a look at his ship and docked, after that he fitted his ship specifically against it (Kernel fitted a nos raven, my corp m8 was in an absolution), you donÆt do that in a proper 1vs1. The 1vs1 got dishonoured on both sides, end of story. I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. First, I didn't undock and redock. second, i didn't refit my ship. You're being lied to. Third, I didn't activate my NOS until after he did, and at any rate NOS was never prohibited. How do you square this story with him using an ECM that was specifically prohibited? At this point, I realize this is all my word vs. my opponents. Is there any known way to verify our stories to suss out who is in the right? Might the logs hold clues to the docking sequences and order of operation for when weapons were brought to bear? I'm not at home so cannot check my combat logs right now, but if NOS shows up, then that will verify that my NOS was engaged only after his, although unfortunately it does little to verify my claim that I never redocked. Oh! Another clue to check for: I ganged the alt, not the primary, and was flown to the PVP spot. I believe I never even saw the Absolution until I reached the safe spot, and my opponent only told me that his Raven had been destroyed, but that he "had another ship" he could use. Any gang logs my opponent submitted should verify that. If the Absolution wasn't there, I cant very well have looked at it, can I?
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Damien Smith From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. You asked me for logs, did you ask him for them? Did you ask him for logs from both the primary and alt? I assume he's not stupid enough to submit a false story without scrubbing his logs first, but I'm willing to bet he didn't think to scrub the gang stuff out. If that's in there, you'll see who I ganged, and hopefully even a warp message. I think that will go a looooong way towards disproving his assertion that I got a good long look at his ship and then refit myself.
xtreamer Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:39:00 - [45] Kernel Sander do you like pie becouse i got some pie _____________________________________ What made bob cross the rode? they had 3 to 1 ods :D
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:47:00 - [46] I don't suppose a friendly GM could be bothered to check the logs for Pakkonen V Spacelane Patrol Testing Facility for the roughly two hours prior to my ships' destruction (2006.09.08 06:57 game time according to the killmail) and see if I redocked ever? It'd be fun to have some kind of official word on it. Are the game gods watching?
s33ker Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:51:00 - [47] LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... Turby.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:58:00 - [48] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... If a corps rep is at stake, I think it's best to resolve it the best way possible, don't you? [ore mongers, recruiting]
s33ker Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:59:00 - [49] perfect example, all tied up in reputation, seriously man its just a game.. Turby.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.12 20:59:00 - [50] my ship was ransomed by turby. i paid them and they let me go and i even got a nice chat out of them. IMO they're good ppl who keep their word, like most decent pirate corps tbh u just sound bitter about ur loss and want vengeance

Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 21:07:00 - [51] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... Sure, it's just a game. And the warning that started the thread was just a warning. It's your corp that got all Sherlock Holmes about it. Scroll back through the thread and look. So, your CEO wanted to prove his corp doesn't dishonor 1v1's? Let's prove it. If he doesn't care, he should have just stayed out of the thread. This story that got concocted to allow TURBY to weasel out is pretty half-assed, but again it's your corp that seems to care. So, if TURBY is concerned that I'm distorting the record, how about helping to find out who is lying and who is telling the truth? Computers are very good at generating log messages and I'll bet that the EVE server logs have a record of my docking attempts on the day of the fight. Either I or my opponent can scrub our client logs, but the server logs would tell us everything we needed to know, especially since my opponent made the mistake of hanging his argument on a docking attempt and refit. Or has your corp, which began this entire courtroom drama by loudly proclaiming your honorable such and such, done a bit of soul searching and realized that they don't care about their reputation? Fine, stop bumping this thread up to the top of the charts and in a week it will be just another line that pops up in a few search queries. My part in all of this has simply been to agree to unmake the thread if you dealt with the issue. It don't matter to me, the fights already been and gone.
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.12 22:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Damien Smith From what we've heard the fight was dishonoured on both sides. Kernal undocked to see what Lilith was flying, then docked and fitted with the exact counter to that ship. Lilith then warped in his alt because he was taking on a nos raven that was slowly killing him with a single cruise missile that he had no way of repairing. I think both sides have something to answer for. I WIN! WOOOHOOO VICTORY FOR ME! ETCETERA! You just lost your argument. You say I had a Raven setup with 7x NOS and 1x launcher? First of all, i dont know that I could fit that... but that's totally irrelevent, and not the part where I win. You wanna know where I win? Look at the killmail. Specifically, look at how many NOS's were lost with my ship. Now look at how many launchers were lost with my ship. If I only had one launcher mounted, how come 5 are reported blown up in the killmail? Anyone feel like apologizing for accusing me of lying?
mallina Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 00:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Kernel Sander I WIN! WOOOHOOO VICTORY FOR ME! ETCETERA! gives Kernel a cookie grats Originally by: Kernel Sander Anyone feel like apologizing for accusing me of lying? many of us dont like the fact you seem to think the actions of one of our members reflects that of the entire corp. FYI this is the first time anything like this has happened with Turby, so its quite disconcerting to see a topic basically stating that all of TURBY will screw you over in a 1v1/ransom whenever they can, because that's certainly not the case. ----------- <3 Turbulance
Kernel Sander	Posted - 2006.09.13 00:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Kernel Sander on 13/09/2006 00:27:35 Originally by: mallina gives Kernel a cookie grats many of us dont like the fact you seem to think the actions of one of our members reflects that of the entire corp. FYI this is the first time anything like this has happened with Turby, so its quite disconcerting to see a topic basically stating that all of TURBY will screw you over in a 1v1/ransom whenever they can, because that's certainly not the case. You're right, you know. My original assessment was that under the circumstances, it made more sense to assume the worst - I certainly didn't trust any of you after that little escapade. However, in my subsequent dealings, both with your CEO and the guy who became my contact (Damien), I certainly have been given enough pause to rethink the logic of that kind of blanket statement. The, for want of a better term "verdict," seems remarkably halfassed, but I cannot argue that their chagrin over the affair is honest. So I find myself kind of wondering what to do about it. My inclination is to gas the thread and hope this is, as many of you maintain, anomalous. If it's not, then I worry that someone else who can ill afford to lose their BB might get lured into a 1v1 that their opponent has no intention of fighting fairly. Dunno. I kind of wish you guys had turned out to just not care about the insinuation That not being the case, I'm still trying to figure out what the right move is.
Pestillence Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:12:00 - [55] Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... So breaking your word is alright? On the net, and in EvE, trust is hard earned and easily lost. Words like yours can tar your whole corp with a bad reputation, something which Damien is doing an admirable job of protecting.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.13 01:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: s33ker LMAO at all you fools, your all tied up in honor and whats right, you ever stop to think that its just a game?? nobody broke/exploited game mechanics and untill they are broke stop crying over a game and get over it... So breaking your word is alright? On the net, and in EvE, trust is hard earned and easily lost. Words like yours can tar your whole corp with a bad reputation, something which Damien is doing an admirable job of protecting. i think this is one of those "my quotes don't represent my corp" comments Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
dailyhazard Caldari Unauthorised.	Posted - 2006.09.13 07:43:00 - [57] Originally by: s33ker perfect example, all tied up in reputation, seriously man its just a game.. What you fail to see is, that reputation is the game, without reputation you have nothing, being feared is not only something to feel good inside about. But also something that gains you things such as contracts. Now, whether he refitted or not, that is what happens when someone is based in the station you are camping. A 1v1 was accepted, if he was bothered about this, then he should have just refused the 1v1.
Phron Caldari Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.13 08:19:00 - [58] Turd Submarines are dishonest and vile creatures in eve. Never trust them. And now that I've posted my 2 cents, let their flaming begin. They dishonor 1v1, they feed intel to the enemy when they are supposed "allies", they aid the enemy in warp in spots and supplying the enemy with lag tactics. All this from a former "ally" stand point. And again, after those 3 cents, let their flaming begin. "Tis' hard work bein this good!"
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 09:16:00 - [59] Edited by: Damien Smith on 13/09/2006 09:22:06 Originally by: Phron Turd Submarines are dishonest and vile creatures in eve. Never trust them. And now that I've posted my 2 cents, let their flaming begin. They dishonor 1v1, they feed intel to the enemy when they are supposed "allies", they aid the enemy in warp in spots and supplying the enemy with lag tactics. All this from a former "ally" stand point. And again, after those 3 cents, let their flaming begin. Is that so? I've only been in Turbulent for 5-6 months but in that time we've had no formal allies that I'm aware of. We don't nap other combat corps so how could we provide intel to an enemy? Everyone's an enemy to us. If you're going to make accusations like that then you'd better be a bit more specific about exactly what you're implying. Edit: Ah, I see what's going on here. By 'Turd Submarines' I assume you're talking about 'Turbulent Subversion'. We are a pirate corp and they are a mercenary corp, and have nothing to so with our corp 'Turbulent' apart from the name (which we had first btw). We've fought Turby Subversion many times and apart from them loving the ecm multispec a bit too much they've always given us a good clean fight. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Mission running carebears drop good loot. Probe one out today! I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg +=♥ - Immy
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:04:00 - [60] Kernel Sander, why don't you stfu and accept your loss in 1 vs 1 someone is going to lose and well it would seem you did and as far as we are concerned we will stick by out corp mate and people are always trying to dis honor pirates even more so when they have a loss. From your moaning it would seem that your more bitter about the outcome rather then trying to resolve this situation and you didn't contact my self or the Mad man from Tribs there for your just out to cause a fuss and not to resolve the matter. as far as it stands now the matter is closed and it was a fair 1 vs 1, maybe you shouldn't pvp if your upset everytime you lose a Raven ROFL.



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