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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:30:22 -
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This is a victory, a long awaited one, but the rebellion against God's will remains at large.
As many already know, imperial forces are nearing total control over warzones in The Bleak Lands, Heimatar, Devoid, and Metropolis. The terrorists still controls three systems: Helgatild, Arnstur and Evati. Helgatild and Arnstur are expected to be reclaimed within a few days as we have already seized numerous terrorist staging points and infrastructures, and Evati will fall soon after the reclaiming of Helgatild and Arnstur.
We have made great progress with our righteous crusade! We must utilize our current position of power to penetrate deeper into the 'republic', putting down this blasphemous rebellion!
Now, more so than ever, do we need a pious heart dedicated for greatness. Now, more so than ever, do we need a strong and united effort against the heathens!
An excellent opportunity is presented to us, an opportunity to save the heathens from an eternity in hell. We must destroy the terrorists and return the subjects of God back into a pious life in service to God!
I have this to say to the Matar terrorists: abandon all hopes, we will not stop until you are brought before the law and face judgement for treason.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:45:23 -
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God job! Show those rust buckets who's in charge! |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
412
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:52:15 -
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Forgive me, but do you have a firm understanding of the Militia Powers Act, pilot? The present state of affairs, where solely capsuleer forces quarrel over segments of low security space in limited engagements, was instituted by CONCORD precisely to prevent what you are suggesting, here - That is, a horrifyingly destructive total war between the Empires full military forces, with likely trillions of civilian casualties.
Be proud of your accomplishments if it pleases you, but it is folly to think that they will allow it to proceed any further. For some perspective, the State occupied all of the Federal border systems in the northern warzone for over a year some time ago, and still nothing changed within the status quo. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
546
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:58:50 -
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Perhaps it would be best to wait until things actually fall to proclaim this some total victory. Even though it is very unlikely that anything could stop the crusade at this point let's not let hubris set in. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
671
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:11:13 -
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Maybe this might convince Shakor that the currently enslaved citizens of the Empire of mostly Minmatar descent cannot be freed by force.
Or maybe it won't. I mean, they lost a few million casualties in the Elder Fleet raid, a few billion in the militia war so far, and now they've lost a couple dozen star systems, and that hasn't seemed to convince Shakor yet.
Makes you wonder who's pulling Shakor's strings, doesn't it ?
Amarr Victor. Hurrrr. |
Ridha Shakir
Gradient
3
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:12:19 -
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There will never be victory in this senseless war. No side can ever 'win' and it's what little baseliners are left in the systems who'll always loose. It's them whom I pity. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:14:10 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Forgive me, but do you have a firm understanding of the Militia Powers Act, pilot? The present state of affairs, where solely capsuleer forces quarrel over segments of backwater low security space in limited engagements, was instituted by CONCORD precisely to prevent what you are suggesting, here - That is, a horrifyingly destructive total war between the Empires full military forces, with likely trillions of civilian casualties.
Be proud of your accomplishments if it pleases you, but it is folly to think that they will allow it to proceed any further, or even that the leaders of your own government (or for that matter, any government) truly want it to. For some perspective, the State occupied all of the Federal border systems in the northern warzone for over a year some time ago, and still nothing changed from the status quo.
And do you have a firm understanding of how events unfold on paper, and how they actually take place in practice? CONCORD only interferes with the deployment of the Imperial Navy against the rebellion, not against capsuleer forces. Truth be told, the advancement of the 24th Imperial Crusade had been largely the work of faithful capsuleers, with some involvement from the Imperial Navy (mostly defensive operations).
Also, you seem to have an inflated opinion of CONCORD and their capabilities, despite their numerous failures recently (especially in controlling the actions of capsuleers).
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:17:03 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Perhaps it would be best to wait until things actually fall to proclaim this some total victory. Even though it is very unlikely that anything could stop the crusade at this point let's not let hubris set in.
Not a total victory as of now, but a victory in relative comparison to previous setbacks.
There are many pirates and heretics that reside within the warzone systems as well, they must be purged before total victory in the AO can be achieved.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
412
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:31:41 -
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Chronoxi wrote:And do you have a firm understanding of how events unfold on paper, and how they actually take place in practice? CONCORD only interferes with the deployment of the Imperial Navy against the rebellion, not against capsuleer forces. Truth be told, the advancement of the 24th Imperial Crusade had been largely the work of faithful capsuleers, with some involvement from the Imperial Navy (mostly defensive operations).
Also, you seem to have an inflated opinion of CONCORD and their capabilities, despite their numerous failures recently (especially in controlling the actions of capsuleers).
While CONCORD may have suffered in recent years, sir, I would not be so keen to run them through the mud. They still possess the largest fleet in the cluster outside of the major powers, and by far the most technologically advanced one - And continue to succeed in their mandate of shooting down hundreds of Capsuleer ships a day, in spite of whatever deficiencies you may attribute to them.
I would also comment that you seem to have misunderstood me a little. The reason why capturing systems listed under the act is so simple is mainly because the actual militaries are forbidden from high degrees of intervention in the conflict to prevent the outbreak of total war, as far as I am aware.
Of course, this doesn't extend to defending systems outside of the said list. If you believe it is feasible for Capsuleers to capture densely populated and navy-patrolled high security systems by themselves... Well, I will simply say that if you wish to test my assertion of the ideas impossibility, I would welcome you to prove me wrong by stepping into Amo or Anher with a fleet, starting shooting, and reporting back on what happens. For all our superiority to conventionally flown space craft, it would take tens of thousands of us to make a dent in even the smallest of the four navies.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
666
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:49:03 -
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Magister Dixit! ....er....I mean, Amarr Victor! |
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:49:32 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
While CONCORD may have suffered in recent years, sir, I would not be so keen to run them through the mud. They still possess the largest fleet in the cluster outside of the major powers, and by far the most technologically advanced one - And continue to succeed in their mandate of shooting down hundreds of Capsuleer ships a day, in spite of whatever deficiencies you may attribute to them.
I would also comment that you seem to have misunderstood me a little. The reason why capturing systems listed under the act is so simple is mainly because the actual militaries are forbidden from high degrees of intervention in the conflict to prevent the outbreak of total war, as far as I am aware.
Of course, this doesn't extend to defending systems outside of the said list. If you believe it is feasible for Capsuleers to capture densely populated and navy-patrolled high security systems by themselves... Well, I will simply say that if you wish to test my assertion of the ideas impossibility, I would welcome you to prove me wrong by stepping into Amo or Anher with a fleet, starting shooting, and reporting back on what happens. For all our superiority to conventionally flown space craft, it would take tens of thousands of us to make a dent in even the smallest of the four navies.
CONCORD can destroy however many capsuleer pods or ships as they please, but does it actually have an effect on the actions of capsuleers?
And you missed the point entirely. Capturing systems? Capturing systems would be an objective when a great Reclaiming is declared. Not now. I will, of course, not disclose any sort of intelligence on military operations. Just know that Amarr's champions will not sit idly.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 14:59:40 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Magister Dixit! ....er....I mean, Amarr Victor!
I am still confused as to why a sanshanite joined a mercenary force, and proceeded to participate in the crusade. Did something change while I was gone from IGS?
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
92
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:05:57 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Perhaps it would be best to wait until things actually fall to proclaim this some total victory. Even though it is very unlikely that anything could stop the crusade at this point let's not let hubris set in.
On the contrary. The Empire's hubris has been extremely beneficial in the past. I'm sure it will be beneficial this time as well.
Hopefully, it will be beneficial to the right people rather than the wrong... entities.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
OOC Forums @ Backstage
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
92
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:09:56 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:...They still possess the largest fleet in the cluster outside of the major powers, and by far the most technologically advanced one...
I would not be so certain of this, were I you.
Of course, if this is what people wish to believe... who am I to play the nay-sayer?
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
OOC Forums @ Backstage
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
412
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:11:28 -
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Chronoxi wrote:And you missed the point entirely. Capturing systems? Capturing systems would be an objective when a great Reclaiming is declared. Not now. I will, of course, not disclose any sort of intelligence on military operations. Just know that Amarr's champions will not sit idly.
Forgive me, sir, but if I have misunderstood you, what is your point, then? In my first post I warned against the idea of promoting a total war between whole Empires - Which seemed to be what you were saying, considering you talked about "penetrating deeper into the republic", and you refuted me by saying you were only speaking of Capsuleers. But after addressing that idea instead, you seem to be again suggesting a full Reclaiming is in order, which would be a total war by default.
Please, make it a little clearer for me. What exactly are you trying to say with this topic? |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:12:33 -
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Havohej wrote:ValentinaDLM wrote:Perhaps it would be best to wait until things actually fall to proclaim this some total victory. Even though it is very unlikely that anything could stop the crusade at this point let's not let hubris set in. On the contrary. The Empire's hubris has been extremely beneficial in the past. I'm sure it will be beneficial this time as well. Hopefully, it will be beneficial to the right people rather than the wrong... entities.
The hubris of Scope Works has been quite beneficial as well, it display what fool a man can be if not guided by God's will.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:16:04 -
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The rings may be gone, but the fingers are still there. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
62
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:17:08 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Chronoxi wrote:And you missed the point entirely. Capturing systems? Capturing systems would be an objective when a great Reclaiming is declared. Not now. I will, of course, not disclose any sort of intelligence on military operations. Just know that Amarr's champions will not sit idly. Forgive me, sir, but if I have misunderstood you, what is your point, then? In my first post I warned against the idea of promoting a total war between whole Empires - Which seemed to be what you were saying, considering you talked about "penetrating deeper into the republic", and you refuted me by saying you were only speaking of Capsuleers. But after addressing that idea instead, you seem to be again suggesting a full Reclaiming is in order, which would be a total war by default. Please, make it a little clearer for me. What exactly are you trying to say with this topic?
That the offensive against the rebellion will not stop? How hard is it to understand? Perhaps you are not aware, IGS is not the place to discuss details of military operations.
And promoting total war? Ridiculous, the terrorists promoted total war when they slaughtered countless innocents in their reckless invasion.
EDIT: Also, a 'total war' will be coming. It is the will of God that the heathens be reclaimed, by force or otherwise.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
92
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:21:12 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I know it's pedantry, but if you're talking about either Nation or the Sleepers, those aren't actually in the cluster. Of one you are correct. Of the other, you are not. Or is it your understanding that "the Cluster" is comprised of only the four Empires, and not the rest of known space?
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
OOC Forums @ Backstage
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
92
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:25:01 -
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Chronoxi wrote:The hubris of Scope Works has been quite beneficial as well, it display what fool a man can be if not guided by God's will. What hubris would that be, on the part of Scope Works?
Forsaking the proxy war in favor of a much more threatening situation brewing?
Breaking News, pilot: PIE is not the most powerful force in New Eden - it never has been.
This update brought to you by Scope Works.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
63
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:25:23 -
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Are we also ignoring the fact that CONCORD got shutdown by a bunch of rag-tag terrorists, which allowed the invasion into Amarr space? CONCORD is absolutely useless, it is a wonder that they are still allowed to remain in Amarrian space, but it is not my place to judge the decision of the administration.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
412
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:27:16 -
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Havohej wrote:Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I know it's pedantry, but if you're talking about either Nation or the Sleepers, those aren't actually in the cluster. Of one you are correct. Of the other, you are not. Or is it your understanding that "the Cluster" is comprised of only the four Empires, and not the rest of known space?
No, I understood what I meant. While there are still considerable Nation foces in and around the Stain region, it appears apparant at this point that it's center of operations, and the source of the majority of it's modern forces, are placed elsewhere, considering the means by which they conduct the incursions.
Really, though, I was only speaking idly. CONCORD is the fifth largest known force, we'll say. My only point was that they're not a completely toothless dragon. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
975
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:27:34 -
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They are allowed because we made commitments, and unlike other nations we uphold those commitments. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
63
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:34:15 -
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Havohej wrote:Chronoxi wrote:The hubris of Scope Works has been quite beneficial as well, it display what fool a man can be if not guided by God's will. What hubris would that be, on the part of Scope Works? Forsaking the proxy war in favor of a much more threatening situation brewing? Breaking News, pilot: PIE is not the most powerful force in New Eden - it never has been. This update brought to you by Scope Works.
Because Scope Works has been assuming they know the truth of everything for... I do not remember how long it is, quite some time now. PIE not the most powerful force in New Eden? I'm sure the others could not have observed that, and needs scope to tell them. Great job, journalists. The bureaucrats back home must be proud of your propaganda.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
63
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:40:10 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:They are allowed because we made commitments, and unlike other nations we uphold those commitments.
I could not have put it better.
Many are those who would turn their backs when it is profitable.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Miyamoto Takedi
State Protectorate Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:41:03 -
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History shows that even if the entire CEWPA warzone is dominated by one side or the other for a time, it is never victory.
PIE Hubris seems consistent though. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
137
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:41:08 -
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Only a matter of time.......... |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
666
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:41:48 -
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PIE's baseliner force and political pressure inside the Empire may be noteworthy. But claiming their Capsuleer forces are anything other than an interesting sideshow? That way lies true propaganda, Pilot Chronoxi. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
975
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:46:24 -
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I don't believe he's claimed anything regarding PIE's corporate capabilities. There is a lot of claiming that he has, though. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
63
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:47:01 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:PIE's baseliner force and political pressure inside the Empire may be noteworthy. But claiming their Capsuleer forces are anything other than an interesting sideshow? That way lies true propaganda, Pilot Chronoxi.
And the sanshanite speaks again! Something faulty in the controls sansha placed on you? Where goes the 'Long live Nation!' sentiment?
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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