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sg3s O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:16:00 - [601] Edited by: sg3s on 18/06/2008 12:16:19 Originally by: Evelgrivion <stuff>I don't even want to get into the can of worms that would be multiple towers around one moon. Ah yes, I know, but it had to be suggested. Also, bump. edit: page 21 \o/
Esiel	Posted - 2008.06.23 22:44:00 - [602] I noticed that the council said this had been mentioned to CCP can someone please tell some sort if info on the idea of getting our POS's connected to its parts. Off with your head
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:37:00 - [603] Back up it goes to stay on to-do list.
Goremageddon Box Soldiers Of Mercy	Posted - 2008.06.26 02:11:00 - [604] bump for awesomeness. :D
Crausaum Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.26 06:51:00 - [605] Is anyone else feeling an odd sense of nostalgia when they see this thread here because I sure am. It's like I've grown up with this thread... oh wait, it's because I have. CCP; giving me fond forum memories since 08/09/2006 Now give me my sweet lookin' POSs you sheep eating yetis! --------------------------- absit iniuria verbis
Hatch Minmatar Bug-Blatter Beasts of Traal	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:52:00 - [606] got to love the 2 year old thread that just won't die. now bend over and take that beating. this would so be a kick ass way of doing things. /signed again and again and again.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.07.01 11:05:00 - [607] I'm quite confident, that soon ... soon ... there will be POS overhaul. To be something they intended to be instead of current ... iteration.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.05 17:28:00 - [608] Edited by: Ava Santiago on 05/07/2008 17:28:59 Edited by: Ava Santiago on 05/07/2008 17:28:34 You fail to use all of the planes - but a simple fix to that is to move one of the connectors to the bottom or top of the cubes. This would create the possibility to rotate such that it would look like the POS had guns covering it in a 360 degree arc. It also means you could create upper & lower quarters... helpful for those who need to keep their slaves on a seperate status level. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Moriancumer Amarr Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2008.07.06 03:51:00 - [609] /signed POS's are such a pain. The whole POS system needs an overhaul - from the suggestion here to how hard / easily they are anchored (see this thread). Kudo's the OP. -= HROLT Co-CEO =-
Chillshock	Posted - 2008.07.06 08:33:00 - [610] This gets the official chillshock-seal-of-hell-yeah-this-is-cool! :)
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:38:00 - [611] This is a quote by CSM member Serenity Steele: Originally by: Serenity Steele CSM has raised this issue to CCP now. Please keep discussing, although voting is no longer necessary to bring it to CCP. However, I did not find any mention of the POS issues raised here in the in CSM Minutes So what happened, was it just a fop? I think that some explanation is in order.
The Boz	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:19:00 - [612] OMG!!! yes yes yes!!! ccp please look into this!!!
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:49:00 - [613] Listen up people, you have all been crapped on by the CSM, they have betrayed all of us, after assurances that this issue will go to CCP. I suggest you all start raising your own personal questions in this thread, and especially the one where CSM issues support for this needed overhaul in the Assembly Hall. And just remember this for the next elections. For a very long time I was trying to keep this idea alive, till it gathered enough momentum from other people who finally realized how important it is, and we did have some idiotic notion that things might be different - guess what they are not. Remember that - CSM could have improved thousands of lives of players, instead they chose to play games with their own "pet issues" and "pet projects." So, let them hear your voice....
Luzz Bightyear	Posted - 2008.07.12 07:12:00 - [614] /signed POSs need to be more attractive IMO, making them easier to set up is one way to do that.
Ishii kun Gallente Snake Eyes Inc Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.07.13 10:30:00 - [615] /signed i know i actually have a special ship with ab's and everything specifically for getting around a POS... so this will defiantly be an improvement
Promithius Amarr Subach-Tech Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:12:00 - [616] i love the idea , would be a wonderful change from current pos mechanics , yes there are all sorts of balance questions , but lets leave that to the people who actually make the content :) as an idea i 100% support it.
Syberbolt8 Gallente Shinra	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:13:00 - [617] Originally by: Promithius i love the idea , would be a wonderful change from current pos mechanics , yes there are all sorts of balance questions , but lets leave that to the people who actually make the content :) as an idea i 100% support it. What balance questions, this is mostly a skin update, theres not much to balancing pos's, they aren't ships, they don't move, sure some pos's are better for one thing then another, but that gos for all the races as well. IMO, I don't even thing you can say weather a pos is "balanced" or not lol, funny concept, either way, this has been here a long time, and needs to be further addressed by CCP.
Noa Fuyu Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:34:00 - [618] /signed. Pos's need to look better and a bit more organised. This is a very well done post and with Trinity and the many other implications would it really be all that hard to do? (Honest Q, dont know how to code or all that jazz) -------------------------- I would throw a hundred ships into the void just to see you crushed.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:27:00 - [619] Originally by: Promithius i love the idea , would be a wonderful change from current pos mechanics , yes there are all sorts of balance questions , but lets leave that to the people who actually make the content :) as an idea i 100% support it. What balance questions? I mean all that this idea presents is making POS modular, connect each unit to the next, make it dock-able, so there is ease of access, reduce lag from disparate units hanging ins pace, into s single coherent modular structure. Guys, bring this thread up, and keep it up, name and shame CSM till we get some sort of a response, and remember them for the next election, remember that they have betrayed your trust - all they wanted was a free trip, and all the assurances they gave us a complete bullshit, obviously. They are more concerned with their pet issues, and with stupid crap that affects them directly than with something like this.
Esiel Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:40:00 - [620] Give the guy some slack, he probably didn't realize that this tread was made about 2 years ago and things have changed alot. Also the OP did suggest some new content as well as the modulation. I would have to say that 99.9% of the people that have posted here would be just happy if the modulation was implemented without adding any of the content that anyone has suggested. (Don't get me wrong I would love to dock in my POS's but if it meant not getting the modular layout I can do without) So.... CMS/CCP still waiting to here about modulation and anything you will be doing with POS's Off with your head
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:52:00 - [621] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/07/2008 20:52:08 Originally by: Esiel Give the guy some slack, he probably didn't realize that this tread was made about 2 years ago and things have changed alot. Also the OP did suggest some new content as well as the modulation. I would have to say that 99.9% of the people that have posted here would be just happy if the modulation was implemented without adding any of the content that anyone has suggested. (Don't get me wrong I would love to dock in my POS's but if it meant not getting the modular layout I can do without) So.... CMS/CCP still waiting to here about modulation and anything you will be doing with POS's The problem is that things have not changed, as far as the POS is concerned since their inception. Wait, lets take pause and think about it, yeop, nothing changed as far as POS is concerned, not the doldrums of the setup, and not the difficulty of maintenance - the only thing that has changed is that CCP pretty much requires POS for proper gameplay in 0.0, and that they allowed them to be eye-candy/glorified research slots in Empire, oh, of course, and the Guns were moved outside the shield. The content, a proposed content of this thread is very very very simple: Modular POS, with interchangeable modules, plus ease of tower replacement (perhaps). And, the "dockable" part came much later, still not an issue since we have this things called Outpost Services that are part of the station, yet are individually targetable. Same thing has to be done to the POS, make it a single structure with targetable "services" - pretty much same setup, limited storage, limited research slots that depend on the CPU/PG, etc. And a docking interface. A single structure, rather than a disparate space flotsam is what needed. What gets my goat is that its multiple members of the CSM who pretty much came out and told us that this great idea that has been alive for over two years now, and was ignored by CCP for as long, will be brought to CCPs attention - YET, there is no mention of that in the CCP-CSM Meeting Minutes, which means that they have sold us out for whatever obsequious and "flavor of the moment" issues, rather than to actually do something good and fix something that has been broken for years, and sucks the life and fun out of game - which POS do, they suck the fraggin life out of me, the way they are now.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:15:00 - [622] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 15/07/2008 16:27:13 Just in case some did not see, Jade Constantine replied regarding the mixup with the CCP/CSM/This Thread: Originally by: Jade Constantine I can remember saying something about this too. We voted on the issue to take to Iceland and for some reason it wasn't listed on the minutes when we were at the face to face meeting. I'm still not sure why. At the time we resolved to just add it to the submitted issues for the 2nd meeting in august and ask for developer feedback once again. I think a lot of responses have been buried in the enormous Assembly hall spam is the main problem. Bottom line - this issue SHOULD have been raised in Iceland and I'm not sure why it wasn't. In any case we'll ensure its submitted with the ISSUEs for the 2nd meeting. There it is Jinx, not sure what else we can do bar that. (It doesn't need to go before the CSM again btw, we already voted it onto the formal agenda and there's no need to waste time discussing it again. We will just add it straight to the list of issues for submission again.) Full quotes can be found: Here and Here So we should hear something about it in August, subsequent to CCP/CSM next interaction.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.07.19 05:01:00 - [623] It has been two years since I last read this thread, it still seems to me that it is something that CCP should definetly look into. The simplicity of it, is pure beauty in motion. Unless there is some database issue or potential for some increase in the current systems lagginess, CCP should drop Ambulation and any other up coming expansions. This should be priotity one. While not every pilot interacts directly with POS, all pilots are indirectly affected by the clunkiness of current POS mechanics. If POS ran smooth and simple, there would be a lot indirect benifits to all pilots in the increased availbility of POS by products(researched BPO, invention, Moon Poo, Mining Platforms). --
Re'taka Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.07.21 01:35:00 - [624] IMO STICKY THIS< This is a first page post, not a 3rd page post, try to keep it up there guys, seems the only way to get the point across is to keep it alive for 2 or 3 more years while the CSM screws us over, but we will see, maybe next session they will bring it up..
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:34:00 - [625] This needs to be in the game.... I remmember the first time I warped to my noob corp's pos... it was so disapointing.
Rogen DarHeel Caldari Rogen's Heroes THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.22 16:26:00 - [626] yes. EVE needs this. the days of te current POS's should be over.
Rogen DarHeel Caldari Rogen's Heroes THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.22 16:39:00 - [627] I remember reading this post only weeks after POS's were introduced to EVE. I loved it then and I love it now. However, I am noticing that this plan calls for POS guns to be INSIDE the shield. I wonder if the author of this post can revamp the plan in such away that stays close to the centralized POS structure shown in the last exhibit while keeping the guns OUTSIDE of the POS shield? ??
Raven Timoshenko Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:11:00 - [628] FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! MAKE THIS POST A STICKY!!!!!
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:33:00 - [629] Originally by: Rogen DarHeel I remember reading this post only weeks after POS's were introduced to EVE. I loved it then and I love it now. However, I am noticing that this plan calls for POS guns to be INSIDE the shield. I wonder if the author of this post can revamp the plan in such away that stays close to the centralized POS structure shown in the last exhibit while keeping the guns OUTSIDE of the POS shield? ?? Is simple really. You have two structures. The guns sit inside the shield and the new gun targetting structure sits outside of the shields. As far as gameplay is concerned shooting the structures outside of the bubble is the same as damaging and incapacitating the ones with in the shield. Think of them as targetting systems that allow them to shoot through the shields at agressors.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:58:00 - [630] Originally by: Rogen DarHeel I remember reading this post only weeks after POS's were introduced to EVE. I loved it then and I love it now. However, I am noticing that this plan calls for POS guns to be INSIDE the shield. I wonder if the author of this post can revamp the plan in such away that stays close to the centralized POS structure shown in the last exhibit while keeping the guns OUTSIDE of the POS shield? ?? There was a reason why they - CCP - moved the guns outside the POS, to make them easier to kill etc. etc. However, with the existing system of "targetable installations" on outpost this can be resolved - by: 1) Making Guns "stick out" just above/bellow/side of the shield 2) Making a separate "Weapons Platform" to which all guns can be attached like to a tower 3) The, platform can be "floated" or "deployed" outside the shield. Platform itself would not be targetable/destroy-able till all the guns have been destroyed. There are allot of things that can be done, one way or another. So long as the "modular" POS is implemented it can be tweaked. We should hear something from CSM in August about this.

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