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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:23:02 -
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Ayx Shewma wrote:Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people. Unless you're a Nobel level geneticist, good luck changing people. we've been basically the same for hundreds of thousands of years and we'll still be basically the same 100,000 years from now. It's easier and more effective in the near future, to just get rid of the damn killboards.
Exactly this. There are **** jokes carved into the walls of ancient public restrooms and baths in the ruins of Pompeii, as well as carved graffiti that essentially says, "for a good time, seek out Ophelia" (name is just an example). People don't really change that much.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
948
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:21:05 -
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Without a little red on the board it loses that Christmasy feel. I kind of like having a board to view who's been doing what and to whom. While I enjoy putting green things on there, it's not going to break my heart to put a splash of red on there either. This is doubly true if said splash of red results in me learning new things. I'm still pretty green when it comes to PVP and I make stupid mistakes all the time. There may come a day when I can honestly say to myself 'you know, you might actually not be too bad at this', but that day is still a long time coming. Until then having access to a record of not only my own mistakes and victories, but those of others in my corp and alliance is very helpful for me when it comes to figuring some things out. |
Cassie Celestis
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:54:57 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:PVP is just a different form of grinding for many players. Some players grind ISK, others grind killboard statistics.
This.. In other words everyone looks for something to do in the game. Problem is killboard stats addiction is becoming an equivalent of "popular mmo title here" damage meter addiction.
.... Got... to ... have .... them stats... |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:15:07 -
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Mijou Star wrote:i can answer this one.. yes we talk A LOT in local You're insanely pale. Redhead. Sexy dress. Talk in local.
Hello there, my future ex-wife! |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:40:24 -
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No killboard, no ALOD. That is a bad thing. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:43:15 -
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They are great for forum warriors who can't win an argument and need to troll someone down but as others have suggested, in the game, nobody gives a rats ass.
They are used to determine fittings but that's not even that practical as 99% of loss have 12+ ships in on the kill. It's not like any fit was going to save you. |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:12:54 -
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Space nerds = Killboards = fappage.
Was that so hard to grasp ?
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2603
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:23:22 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:One of the main cancer's is killboard stalking.. I agree with the OP.. killboards have became such an obsession for the elites that they cant live without looking at it.. one main thing I simply do not understand is why my private in-game actions is posted outside on public without me even consenting to it..
it doesn't make sense, it causes griefing, there is no valid reason except exposing who's good at pvp and who's not.. and surely who's new to eve.. I know the elites will debate it over and over again and defend their obsessive compulsive disorder. but its true..
the gimmick of looking up expensive KM's almost teaches a person how to stalk someone online.. and that's what really it is plain and simple.
there are players that actually do not log into the game and play but instead just sit and watch killboards and then log in just to fuss at someone losing a ship on a killboard!.. its crazy
Au contraire , that's the best thing about it even people who are utter **** in pvp can have 90% efficiency and 100's of billions in kills as long as they fly in the blob.A killboard most of the times doesn't say anything about reall pvp experience unless you find a lot of solo kills in them and even then the question is if he was using an alt-falcon and alt-booster or not .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
517
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:26:01 -
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Killboards, I hve what could be considered one embarassing loss on my killboard ignoring of course my first loss which was as a real noob. And that was losing a Drake to a Dramiel, however I was ratting and was jumped on by a blue whose alliance had set us red without telling us. Because the relationship was rocky and I thought he was acting to cause trouble I let him push me over the edge from the 3 Tyrant rats without firing back on him. In fact I found the fact that I did not shoot this person the most embarrassing thing about the loss, that is how little killboards matter to me.
I avoid giving people easy kills which is my mentality, I hunt and take fights to get kills on people who are looking for fights, I will take fights that are marginal, but I will never ever give people easy kills where they can blob or kill with no chance of them getting even a scratch on their paint work. It is the simple fact that Eve is a game where you largely get the drop on the other person and you do that in a number of different ways.
So I will avoid a definite loss where I have no chance at all and it is not because of my killboard, but because I am not there to make someone else feel better about themselves when all the cards are stacked in their favour. Its not just the killboard, but the perfect kill mentality of many of Eve players, especially those that gank people who have no chance to kill them back and I am not referring to hisec gankers which is completely different.
Killboards mean very little for the majority of players, apart from checking for stupid fits, stupid losses and how they are likely to be fitting their ships, it says nothing about their skills.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:09:11 -
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What's the point playing a PvP game without goals and competition? All life and human nature is to become better at something in your peer group. Killboards in EvE are just the equivalent of the high score list at your favorite pinball game.
BTW, it's non-consensual PvP, so if you can't force your opponents to fight, you may have to get better in that ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Aiyshimin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:33:24 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote: And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
Yeah, safe except against MWD brawlers like the Comet and Incursus.
Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards.
There are people who really believe that ISK killed is somehow important figure, and even more important than kills/player. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:33:42 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:
Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards.
Why? This is the price of defeat, the winner gets full inside in your fit, the looser does not. Actually public killboards help balancing that.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Equinnox Dethahal
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:43:54 -
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As someone who frequents the FW novice capture points.
People who have lots of pvp skills and skill points, and know what they are doing will go to the small and medium capture points, better reward for the time spent (at leas the small is not 100% on the medium)
I, and a lot of others, who do Novice, do so because we have such a small amount of SP there is no other option than to run, and this provides at least a basic foundation in how to operate in unsafe space, while at the same time building a nice foundation of wealth in loyalty points.
Make sure you check how old the player who disgusts you by warping away as you come into the novice. I know most who do this are feeding on newer players for the easy kills (people who actually care about killboard stats and want to pad it) otherwise they would be harassing the larger points with more experienced players.
Half the time im not even sure the ship on the novice gate dscan can even enter, im sure as hell not as advanced as to know "this ship is probably kite fit and I can take it, or this ship is fit in a way that ill die for sure" and when I go down in two volleys after doing perhaps 5% damage to your shield, because my DPS and Tanking skills are lv 3 or below....it just seems a hell of a lot smarter to put a few stabilizers on and GTFO and hope you go away so I can come back and get that loyalty (or go elsewhere)
So yeah, I see people who are experienced pvpers, who camp the novice gates, as the ones looking to pad their kill stats, not the guy who runs, chances are hes a noob...or just so awful at pvp....either way its not going to be a fun, challenging, entertaining fight....IN MOST CASES.
Check out the small and mediums though, those people at least have enough SP to ride a destroyer or higher tech ship and probably know enough about the game to give you a fight that's somewhat entertaining. Anyway, the people who stay on the novice when you come in are either so clueless about whats going on your just shooting fish in a barrel, or hes a pvper who knows what hes doing, and it will be a good fight. Chances are the guy who warps out, knows hes a bad pvper or too new. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1815
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:52:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one. They're the bane of the game. Mr Epeen Agreed. Can't fly anything expensive, or else, 'zomg killboard!!!!!!!'... So what's the point of having nice things in EVE?... Your organisation sucks then, I have no limitations imposed upon me and I am free to exorcise my rights to be a special snowflake.
And got recognised for doing so!
goonswarm 2014; don't fly doctrine **** and we'll name a fleet concept after you |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:56:31 -
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Equinnox Dethahal wrote:I know most who do this are feeding on newer players for the easy kills (people who actually care about killboard stats and want to pad it) otherwise they would be harassing the larger points with more experienced players. this isn't the case. people shoot what they can catch. most pies roaming are looking for a proper fight. that doesn't mean they're not going to shoot whatever's in front of them. i've never heard of anyone specifically targeting younger players
go to a quieter system off the pipe and get into a medium plex chances are you won't be disturbed |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
210
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:00:10 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:What's the point playing a PvP game without goals and competition? All life and human nature is to become better at something in your peer group. Killboards in EvE are just the equivalent of the high score list at your favorite pinball game.
BTW, it's non-consensual PvP, so if you can't force your opponents to fight, you may have to get better in that ...
And you need a reference for your becoming better?
You may have a rude awakening, if your life centres on your peer group. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:02:30 -
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also it's concievable experienced players'll sit in a novice plex rather than change system, because why move to a potentially more populated system when the one you're in is so quiet? the plexes might be named 'novice' but it doesn't mean anything |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
191
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:04:26 -
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If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch! |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:08:46 -
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tiberiusric wrote:If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch! I would say it is a mirror of the sad state of mind people nowadays have and removing killboards would not change the problem one bit, because the people still stay the same.
Of course, everyone who rather blames "everything else than himself" will always keep blaming "everything else" because they are unable to/unwilling to to see that it's their ego that's the actual problem. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:43:37 -
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embrel wrote: And you need a reference for your becoming better?
Yes, otherwise progress is meaningless.
... and you as well when asking that question in the assumption of a morale higher ground ;)
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
829
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:51:58 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote: And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
Yeah, safe except against MWD brawlers like the Comet and Incursus. Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards. There are people who really believe that ISK killed is somehow important figure, and even more important than kills/player.
I'd like to see a minerals destroyed side to killmails and while killboards do create PvP grinders, they are the reason alliances can have logical reimbursement programs so there is good that comes from them. |
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:07:35 -
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I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder.
I also heavily use killboards for intel.
I'm also for disabling them completely. Ingame killmail system works fine. IMO. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11529
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:12:45 -
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Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder.
no you wouldn't
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:51:44 -
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I blame the killboard to be the wrong source of intel as that is what it is being used for now.
Please explain how this is different to being able to load up a program about a wormhole you are about to enter? You are getting intel that you didn't work for, and don't deserve. You can NOT say you could get this same intel from their characters time in game as this is not the same. I could play 1 month and log out for 2 years and it would say i am 2 years old. The fact is your getting information from your enemies that they wouldn't share.
This isn't only game changing its game breaking, it provides unfair intel you didn't work for.
Funny how in this game everyone uses 3rd party programs and no one seems to see the problem in that. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
211
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:40:37 -
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Andski wrote:Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder. no you wouldn't True.
She's a liar. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4219
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:00:47 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:You are getting intel that you didn't work for, and don't deserve.
The fact is your getting information from your enemies that they wouldn't share. if they wouldn't share it, then how did it get posted on the killboard |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2637
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:06:37 -
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Why do people want a carefree EVE?
EVE PVP is exciting because losses are meaningful. When you have enough ISK to not really care, the permanent and public record of your losses is the only thing that keeps them real.
I have little interest in fighting people that would just undock because they know they can keep their losses secret. Man up and lose ships like a boss!
Also note that no-one really gives a damn about your losses except yourself (if you're so risk adverse), and secret hidden killboards won't really change that.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:42:22 -
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And the fact your corps ceo (who if he isn't me then hes an asshat) blow up over your losses reflecting badly on the corp/alliance/coalition why bother going to corp at all
Mother scope wants you to return no matter what happened your lovable npc has been there and helped you (for a reasonable tax) to pick yourself up again without wardecs
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Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:08:33 -
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Killboards will never go away. Best to just deal with it and carry on. If someone runs from you, just try harder next time to catch them.
If you have shiny ships you want to use, then start up your own corp, or start up a toon and use that toon to fly those shiny ships. Either way, play EVE how you want, not how others want you to play. If your corpies ***** and moan about killboards, then seriously, start up your own corp with your own rules. |
Aiyshimin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:48:26 -
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Problem with EVE is that there aren't any in-game mechanics that turns player skills into stats, so PVP players are left with only one measure, killboards. There isn't anything in game that you could achieve by being good at PVP.
It's how you follow your own progress and evaluate success. |
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