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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1233
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:22:54 -
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So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did! |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:24:40 -
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"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1233
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:25:32 -
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Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people.
Haha i know, just fixed it. NO idea how that happened, must have been a spai. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14158
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:27:28 -
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Remove killboards and they will think up another excuse to not fight you.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mining Man Manny
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:31:12 -
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If you don't think killboards really mean anything then give your corpmates the bird, go fly your ships and have fun.
As Sol Project said it's the people that are the problem, not the killboard. So, get rid of the people. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6958
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:33:32 -
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Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one.
They're the bane of the game.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4978
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:39:26 -
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Really. Plenty of corps and people that have a "0 fucks given" policy for their killboards.
If I was at any point in a corp that prevents me to use ship "x" cause of their killboard stats. I would laugh, undock, let it explode to the first person that I come across and then leave the corp.
EVE is about fun, not killboard stats.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1813
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:44:08 -
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Goonswarm don't even have a killboard |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
65
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:45:00 -
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I had only one cheap ass pathetic loss ever, happened during my first two weeks in eve, and people are still trying to stick it in my face and ask if I'm still upset about it. I have billions from industry now, I have avoided all pvp (for an indy pilot in providence region, that's an achievement) for years, and they ask me if I'm upset about a T1 hauler with some ore in it!
I can only imagine how bad it gets if you get a lapse of mind and get a stupid-looking killmaill for it, or lose to an equally (or, god forbid, worse) equipped ship! People will stick it into your face for ages, you can have 1000 kills spree after that and people will still laugh at you for that one loss.
Thus, I agree that public killboards are cancer indeed.
They won't make me think combat pvp is something worth investing into - after all, bigger SP blob always wins, so it's only a matter of bringing more collective SP and committing no blunders in fitting or tactics to ensure a victory over lesser SP blob of your enemy. But indeed they would make lives of those who have embarrassing material on those killboards a bit easier if they go.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Idriane
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:45:06 -
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If we dont have killboards how will everyone see all the falcons i lose? |
Gunnar Ward
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
2
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:50:24 -
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My corp is mostly concerned with having a high number of overall kills. That incidentally means we have a high number of overall losses too...
We'll take the content where we can get it. Hopefully we win the majority of the time, but nobody bats 1000. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:56:37 -
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We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience
in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
170
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:58:09 -
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Killboards go bothways
You have the kbnazis that worry about every little loss, and should you lose a ship the give you a talk or kick you out of corp/alliance
Then you have the killboard padders that roam around in overbearing blobs or go into highsec and lay siege to systems with ganking
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
866
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:00:22 -
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So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right... |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4978
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:01:52 -
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Sol Project wrote:We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience
in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards.
WOW.
That is a name I haven't seen in 4.5 years.
I remember being a corpie of Loyal a long long long time ago.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
411
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:08:43 -
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I have been in corps and alliances that took their kill board stats way too seriously. Personally I just want to undock and kill things. Unfortunately, I'm only average at the killing part which means I end up dying a lot too. But that's part of the process.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:13:42 -
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To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4216
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:14:01 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
can guarantee alliance won't actually care about a faction web or we'd be nothing but a bunch of incredibly attractive hypocrites
i personally don't care about a vindy on the board. ctq's lost expensive crap more than enough times in the past
you have my permission as ctq's beauty pageant winner to explode hilariously |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1669
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:05 -
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You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.
A beautiful killmail is like meeting Jessica Alba in a bar, nailing her, then having a photo of her curled up under your arm in bed.
Now imagine your Facebook page, covered in said photos, including Taylor Swift (and that fail-fit 300lb fatty you took down)...
Why, you would be a GOD amongst men, surely.
F
Would you like to know more?
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Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15115
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:35 -
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I have to agree with OP. Removing public killboards would work wonders for this game.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.
No need to give up KMs, just the API.
Source: Used to be a Waffle
Bacon makes us stronger
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3222
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:54 -
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If it's not killboard fear, it would be "fear of older characters", or "fear of bigger ships", or "fear of lower sec status", or "fear of Minmatar characters". Some people cannot handle fights in which they have a larger-than-slim chance of losing, and blame it on other stuff. You need to subvert their fear by flying unexpected things in unexpected ways if you want them to fight. If not, just ignore them.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:24:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends.
I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm.
Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5808
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:26:26 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right...
I got caught red handed by a 5 man crew while in an exploration fit (back in the olde days of exploration before SoE ships) Cyclone once and before I could grab my ankles for the inevitable gank, they all warped off.
You see while they could have killed me I was capable (or so they thought - they didn't have a ship scanner it appears) of taking one down with me. These were cruisers and destroyers, not kiting frigs.
This would happen a few more times with the same ship over several years.
So they were so scared of being "the loss" they all ran away. Pathetic.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:29:48 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends. I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm. Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. And people bail even if they're first in sites anyway.
Sure they do especially over any incoming kiting ships. If you are orbiting a couple K off the warp in you will have me web and scrammed before I even hit top speed, in your optimals. That is a huge advantage, even against other brawling ships considering you will get a couple pot shots off before someone even has the chance to build up transversal to help mitigate some of the damage. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:33:38 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends. I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm. Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. And people bail even if they're first in sites anyway. Sure they do especially over any incoming kiting ships. If you are orbiting a couple K off the warp in you will have me web and scrammed before I even hit top speed, in your optimals. That is a huge advantage, even against other brawling ships considering you will get a couple pot shots off before someone even has the chance to build up transversal to help mitigate some of the damage.
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:39:04 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
I just told you why a brawling ship wouldn't enter. If you are in a comet and I am in a comet, you are on the inside, and I am on the outside, If I warp into that beacon to fight you, I already start behind. Fighting at the beacons in FW is largely **** because anything inside has the advantage period.
If you want to fight folks in FW sit out on the gate on the other side where people have the chance to warp in at a distance they desire.
Or instead of blaming it on Killboard risk aversion, ask CCP to change beacon mechanics to launch people in the site in a random location instead of @0 on an orbital object in space where anyone in any ship can sit in a position that gives them the upper hand 100% of the time. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:42:13 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
I just told you why a brawling ship wouldn't enter. If you are in a comet and I am in a comet, you are on the inside, and I am on the outside, If I warp into that beacon to fight you, I already start behind. Fighting at the beacons in FW is largely **** because anything inside has the advantage period. If you want to fight folks in FW sit out on the gate on the other side where people have the chance to warp in at a distance they desire. Or instead of blaming it on Killboard risk aversion, ask CCP to change beacon mechanics to launch people in the site in a random location instead of @0 on an orbital object in space where anyone in any ship can sit in a position that gives them the upper hand 100% of the time.
Dude, I warp into sites with ships in it regularly, comets agaisnt comets, and I've won many, many times!
The only advantage the other comet's got might be drones already out, but that's like 1 second advantage, if even that.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:43:17 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sol Project wrote:We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience
in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards. WOW. That is a name I haven't seen in 4.5 years. I remember being a corpie of Loyal a long long long time ago.
Seriously?
You should get out more, meaning:
Visit C&P where he constantly tries to make himself feel better.
This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:45:13 -
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Reminds me ... in 2012 (or was it 2013) I joined the Space P0lice alliance,
because they were at war with eveuni.
These losers kicked me, because I ruined their killboards.
I just kept undocking, refusing to hide from the uniswarm. ^_^ |
Paranoid Loyd
2981
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:45:59 -
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Sol Project wrote:This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. Interesting commentary, one might say the same about you. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2603
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:47:48 -
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Welcome to 2009 to be honest OP . I completely agree but it's been like this for a long time and we'll never go back to the old days .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Josef Djugashvilis
2753
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:48:11 -
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Everyone?
I am sure I could look up a kiilboard if I really tried to find one.
This is not a signature.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
716
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:56:14 -
[33] - Quote
KB are why I am against CCP removing clone costs, should of just removed pods and included experience loss every time your ship exploded (T3 would of been higher). TL;DR aspect you don't need the public shame of an expensive loss, just knowing your dumb a$$ is stuck waiting for that skill to tick over again....don't need public humiliation and harassment, you can hate yourself for warping off grid when they land but at least know the other guy didn't get another fight and is probably pissed you got away  |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:59:20 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sol Project wrote:This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. Interesting commentary, one might say the same about you. Or me.
So glad you added the "Or me." there. ;)
While I absolutely not deny the truth in your words ...
... loyalanon isn't pretending to be the way he is. |
Paranoid Loyd
2983
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:26:07 -
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Sol Project wrote:... loyalanon isn't pretending to be the way he is. Hmm, that might be a fair assessment. Hard to tell from my interactions with him, I'm sure you would know better.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5491
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:30:35 -
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I'm a carebear and I have a solo kill.
Why don't you?
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:31:22 -
[37] - Quote
The other day I climbed on to a Primae just to see how far I could get! Was promptly caught by a Cynabal in Tribute. It was worth it!
Does that count as me not caring? |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:32:04 -
[38] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:I'm a carebear and I have a solo kill.
Why don't you?
I have a plenty, what's your point? |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2914
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:37:47 -
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The corporation my main resides in has one simple policy regarding Killboards: Don't post to them. *)
Does that mean our kills/losses are not out there on those boards? Off course they are, probably mainly our losses.
Is that relevant to us? Not in the slightest.
The only relevant thing to us is having fun. And sometimes that leads to getting blown up. Big time....
*) We do use them for intel purposes though.....
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Jenshae Chiroptera
593
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:40:35 -
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I don't post kill or loss mails anywhere.
I do find it funny that some vary from 75% to others with 90%+ ISK efficiency. Shows how inaccurate they can be.
However,
.... they are an important Intel tool. Seeing who flies with who regularly and in what ships is proving very effective at removing pests that visit frequently.
CSM Ten movement for change.
EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims.
Status: Rabid carebear
Blog
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Shelby Dusette
Isogen 5
5396
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:41:37 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I'm a carebear and I have a solo kill.
Why don't you? I have plenty, what's your point?
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler.
I think killboards are fun. They're a nice, convenient summary of your fun time (or sadness) as well as a great intel and after-action tool. Most gamers love stats, numbers and spreadsheets about themselves, the game or other players and nothing wrong with that. It's a public record you can take pride (or horror) in. Sure, some people take it to extremes though like any other part of the game, but heh.
http://i.imgur.com/Wujzy5l.jpg
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Stratios on D
CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9103
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:43:25 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I've heard people say this time and time again since I started playing. It didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now.
Some people don't pvp for a variety of reasons.
Other people like some types of pvp and not others (i'm in this boat, i like "fleet fights" because those usually have an objective like taking or defending space, which makes me a dirty blobber, but flying around solo or in a small gang looking for people to shoot isn't my idea of fun).
While I'm sure their is at least one person in the universe who doesn't pvp because "omg someone would see it if I failed", I don't think that is in any way a popular sentiment. Most of the people I've encountered who don't 'pvp' are people who don't like to lose things and feel the sting of that loss. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9104
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:48:22 -
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Shelby Dusette wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:
what's your point?
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler.
I C wat U did there!
Quote:I think killboards are fun. They're a nice, convenient summary of your fun time (or sadness) as well as a great intel and after-action tool. Most gamers love stats, numbers and spreadsheets about themselves, the game or other players and nothing wrong with that. It's a public record you can take pride (or horror) in. Sure, some people take it to extremes though like any other part of the game, but heh. http://i.imgur.com/Wujzy5l.jpg
Well said. I tend to think that people who say "there would be more pvp without killmails/boards" are really saying "I would pvp more if my shameful losses were not made public, those public losses make me feel bad about myself and lets others ridicule me".
It's basically a self-esteem issue. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
122
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:48:28 -
[44] - Quote
One of the main cancer's is killboard stalking.. I agree with the OP.. killboards have became such an obsession for the elites that they cant live without looking at it.. one main thing I simply do not understand is why my private in-game actions is posted outside on public without me even consenting to it..
it doesn't make sense, it causes griefing, there is no valid reason except exposing who's good at pvp and who's not.. and surely who's new to eve.. I know the elites will debate it over and over again and defend their obsessive compulsive disorder. but its true..
the gimmick of looking up expensive KM's almost teaches a person how to stalk someone online.. and that's what really it is plain and simple.
there are players that actually do not log into the game and play but instead just sit and watch killboards and then log in just to fuss at someone losing a ship on a killboard!.. its crazy |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
231
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 20:57:58 -
[45] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did!
And it wouldn't be a problem for corp recruiters, either. They could just see all your kills/losses in your API.
If I think I will lose a fight, I'll bail, if I think I will win, I'll fight. Has nothing to do with killboards. Your understanding of cancer is rather troublesome; get help.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:18:56 -
[46] - Quote
The killboard has the same effect to this game as being able to map wormholes right down to knowing when the last person farming was.
While it is great to be able to share a killmail, making everyones so everyone can see them was kind of dumb.
When your alliances intelligence is set to 3rd party programs you know this game is broken. |
ggodhsup
internet spaceship relocation movement
18
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:37:37 -
[47] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did!
And it wouldn't be a problem for corp recruiters, either. They could just see all your kills/losses in your API.
agreed.
the day i stopped caring about my KB is the day i started having more fun.
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Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
804
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:51:29 -
[48] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
.
Killed a suspect in osmeden with a 130b frigate. Ssssssssshhhhhhhhh!!
edit: killboards are overestimated. Have some fun instead. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14164
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:51:53 -
[49] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Goonswarm don't even have a killboard
And when we did it was the most godawful thing to look at that people would post anything else in their SRP requests to avoid using it.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18294
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:58:30 -
[50] - Quote
Every now and then we would get a Nintendo or computer game and I would try it out before my brothers do. After I crash and burn, I'd be #1 on the high score list because no one else has played the game, and I would put in my three-letter name proudly.
Not even a day would go by and my brothers would kick me off the computer and play the game over and over until they wipe my name off the scoreboard completely, as if I never existed.
EVE is a game. People love high scores and they obsess over them. Isn't that an ok thing to do for something that's essentially entertainment?
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Paranoid Loyd
2985
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:59:18 -
[51] - Quote
OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1246
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:25:03 -
[52] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head.
Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :)
I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
174
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 22:27:02 -
[53] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:
Every now and then we would get a Nintendo or computer game and I would try it out before my brothers do. After I crash and burn, I'd be #1 on the high score list because no one else has played the game, and I would put in my three-letter name proudly.
Not even a day would go by and my brothers would kick me off the computer and play the game over and over until they wipe my name off the scoreboard completely, as if I never existed.
EVE is a game. People love high scores and they obsess over them. Isn't that an ok thing to do for something that's essentially entertainment?
Find file with highscores.
Edit names and numbers.
Win. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18299
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:30:09 -
[54] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Find file with highscores.
Edit names and numbers.
Win.
Well that's hard to do if someone is sitting on you after wrestling you to the ground..
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Paranoid Loyd
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:33:21 -
[55] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp.
You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:35:20 -
[56] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Sol Project wrote:Find file with highscores.
Edit names and numbers.
Win. Well that's hard to do if someone is sitting on you after wrestling you to the ground.. I have waaaayyyy too many responses for this one ... |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1246
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 22:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it.
So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers?
You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good.
Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome.
Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard.
Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it.
And yes, I do know how to pick up fights. I don't fight blobs when I'm alone and I don't fight super fast kity ships and worms when I'm alone, but comets, firetails etc are pretty fair fights. Hell even a tristan can kill a comet with its neuts. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
174
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 22:42:17 -
[58] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers? You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good. Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome. Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard. Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it.
Where to go?
In the spirit of your thread, I refuse to look up the information on your killboard.
Please answer my questions, though:
Do you mind combat probing 1400mm Tornados with the occasional cloak?
Do you feel bothered by people who suddenly decloak and jam your side of the fight,
while completely ignoring your enemies?
Do you talk in local a lot?
Are you recruiting? |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
Apocalypse Now.
8
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:45:39 -
[59] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one. They're the bane of the game. Mr Epeen
Agreed. Can't fly anything expensive, or else, 'zomg killboard!!!!!!!'... So what's the point of having nice things in EVE?... |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1246
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:50:02 -
[60] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers? You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good. Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome. Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard. Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it. Where to go? In the spirit of your thread, I refuse to look up the information on your killboard. Please answer my questions, though: Do you mind combat probing 1400mm Tornados with the occasional cloak? Do you feel bothered by people who suddenly decloak and jam your side of the fight, while completely ignoring your enemies? Do you talk in local a lot? Are you recruiting?
I don't probe in faction frigates
No one has ever decloaked and jammed me in a plex
I talk in local when I feel like it
If we're recruiting? Warp to cyno is a great alliance and we are a great corp full of brave men, so if you feel like joining, sure. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14172
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:54:54 -
[61] - Quote
d0cTeR9 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one. They're the bane of the game. Mr Epeen Agreed. Can't fly anything expensive, or else, 'zomg killboard!!!!!!!'... So what's the point of having nice things in EVE?...
Your organisation sucks then, I have no limitations imposed upon me and I am free to exorcise my rights to be a special snowflake.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Paranoid Loyd
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:56:42 -
[62] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers? You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good. Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome. Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard. Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it. And yes, I do know how to pick up fights. I don't fight blobs when I'm alone and I don't fight super fast kity ships and worms when I'm alone, but comets, firetails etc are pretty fair fights. Hell even a tristan can kill a comet with its neuts.
You are still missing the point or ignoring it.
I'll make it simple for you: Your conclusion is baseless. People will bail from a fight for a plethora of reasons, concluding it is because of kill boards is what you made up in your head.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
176
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 23:00:53 -
[63] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:I don't probe in faction frigates
No one has ever decloaked and jammed me in a plex
I talk in local when I feel like it
If we're recruiting? Warp to cyno is a great alliance and we are a great corp full of brave men, so if you feel like joining, sure.
Nonononono, you got that wrong.
I meant that, you and your friends fight and some guy shows up in a 1400mm tornado from
distance and starts unloading on you.
I also meant ... you and your friends fight and some guy shows up in a cloaky jammer
and starts jamming your side so the other side can kick your candy asses.
Also ... uhm ... you sit in a PLEX, at warp-in, and wait for an idiot to come?
And you dare using "brave men" in connection with you and making this thread?
Also, in regards to your conversation with Paranoid Loyd ... WHOOOOOOOSH! |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1247
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 23:02:55 -
[64] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:I don't probe in faction frigates
No one has ever decloaked and jammed me in a plex
I talk in local when I feel like it
If we're recruiting? Warp to cyno is a great alliance and we are a great corp full of brave men, so if you feel like joining, sure. Nonononono, you got that wrong. I meant that, you and your friends fight and some guy shows up in a 1400mm tornado from distance and starts unloading on you. I also meant ... you and your friends fight and some guy shows up in a cloaky jammer and starts jamming your side so the other side can kick your candy asses. Also ... uhm ... you sit in a PLEX, at warp-in, and wait for an idiot to come? And you dare using "brave men" in connection with you and making this thread?
I'm usually the idiot who warps into the plex :) |
Ian Morbius
163
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
One leaderboard to rule them all.
Death Valley & Mojave real world hardcore.
www.acronymfinder.com
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
176
|
Posted - 2014.12.12 23:05:18 -
[66] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:I'm usually the idiot who warps into the plex :)
Then I sincerely apologise! :) |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1247
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:06:50 -
[67] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers? You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good. Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome. Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard. Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it. And yes, I do know how to pick up fights. I don't fight blobs when I'm alone and I don't fight super fast kity ships and worms when I'm alone, but comets, firetails etc are pretty fair fights. Hell even a tristan can kill a comet with its neuts. You are still missing the point or ignoring it. I'll make it simple for you: Your conclusion is baseless. People will bail from a fight for a plethora of reasons, concluding it is because of kill boards is what you made up in your head.
Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3593
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:09:32 -
[68] - Quote
Sorry, haven't read any posts beyond the first page yet, but, totally agree with OP. KBs are immersion breaking as hell.
People complain "I can't find good solo fights".
Shouldn't the game be about, "I want to avoid solo fights, I want to avoid predatory entities, I don't want to train 6 alts, I want to bully people weaker than me, while evading their furious inbred siblings and maybe meeting a few cool people along the way."
One also thing that bugged me recently, possibly unrelated. I played through the newly revised NPE combat missions ona minmatar alt earlier this week and I was told by my agent that projectiles were the best weapon system available and that I should join faction warfare immediately.
One problem.... Where is the career agent for factional warfare? Where is the introductory experience for new players who do not understand the factional warfare mechanics???
I think the work CCP does is very good and very slow and I know they always strive hard to make all content as relevant and meaningful as possible. I hope they can find time to make an NPE tutorial for FW!
Oh god.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1442
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:09:49 -
[69] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did!
And it wouldn't be a problem for corp recruiters, either. They could just see all your kills/losses in your API.
I disagree. In pvp it is all about winning. There is no 2nd place, you either win or you die. I hate losing ships or pods...that does not mean I do not pvp but I try to pick my fights. There is no reason why I would go in a fight with a Garmur when I am sitting in a blaster ship. When I am in the right ship and local does not look fucky then I engage...and man do I love to win.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:13:06 -
[70] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really.
Thing is that the losses aren't actually shamefull at all.
What's shamefull is the cowardish attitude of believing that what other people think matters.
People who care about losses of others ignore that losses are needed to learn,
that they themselves lost ships and that they are stupid idiots with no life who think it matters.
Removing killboards won't turn these children into grown-ups. |
Paranoid Loyd
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:17:18 -
[71] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really.
You don't know anything about me (besides I suicide gank with this toon ) or what other toons I might have roaming around, so don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I have fought in plexes and I do know what I am talking about, it could be as simple as the fact that your toon is from 06 that so many people bail from fights from you, it could be you have other corp mates in the system and they think they will get blobbed if they take the fight, it could be they are just farming and are not even interested in fighting or it could be they don't want a fair fight and will only engage if they know/think they are going to win, none of these reasons have anything to do with kill boards except maybe the last one. As far as you not saying all, please see the title of your thread.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3593
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:20:49 -
[72] - Quote
orfkno
Oh god.
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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1247
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:22:32 -
[73] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really. You don't know anything about me (besides I suicide gank with this toon ) or what other toons I might have roaming around, so don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I have fought in plexes and I do know what I am talking about, it could be as simple as the fact that your toon is from 06 that so many people bail from fights from you, it could be you have other corp mates in the system and they think they will get blobbed if they take the fight, it could be they are just farming and are not even interested in fighting or it could be they don't want a fair fight and will only engage if they know/think they are going to win, none of these reasons have anything to do with kill boards. As far as you not saying all, please see the title of your thread.
It seems you haven't read anything at all. I've convoed guys after they bailed from fights, many of them told me they're too scared to lose it BECAUSE of the killboard stats, I know guys who only fight in blobs because they're SO obsessed with green kb's.
I know a guy I do pvp with who's too scared to fly solo coz he doesn't want losses on his kb. |
Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
232
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:24:43 -
[74] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Remove killboards and they will think up another excuse to not fight you.
Now that clone grades have gone, there's one less on the list.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:25:47 -
[75] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really. You don't know anything about me (besides I suicide gank with this toon ) or what other toons I might have roaming around, so don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I have fought in plexes and I do know what I am talking about, it could be as simple as the fact that your toon is from 06 that so many people bail from fights from you, it could be you have other corp mates in the system and they think they will get blobbed if they take the fight, it could be they are just farming and are not even interested in fighting or it could be they don't want a fair fight and will only engage if they know/think they are going to win, none of these reasons have anything to do with kill boards. As far as you not saying all, please see the title of your thread. It seems you haven't read anything at all. I've convoed guys after they bailed from fights, many of them told me they're too scared to lose it BECAUSE of the killboard stats, I know guys who only fight in blobs because they're SO obsessed with green kb's. I know a guy I do pvp with who's too scared to fly solo coz he doesn't want losses on his kb.
And you blame killboards, instead of the people.
I'll give you a hint.
Next time you encounter a person that worries so much about what others think ...
... (and that's what this is actually about) ...
... you will threaten to hunt him and kill him over and over again until his killboard is ruined.
That'll fix it one way or the other. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point
Warp to Cyno.
1247
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:31:56 -
[76] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Mate, you've clearly never done any frig pvp in plexes, otherwise you'd know it can go either way. Many guys, not saying all- but many don't go into fights because they don't want their loss on kb, coz they'd be ashamed for it. I know a few guys like these, I know what I'm talking about. I dont know what you're trying to prove, really. You don't know anything about me (besides I suicide gank with this toon ) or what other toons I might have roaming around, so don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I have fought in plexes and I do know what I am talking about, it could be as simple as the fact that your toon is from 06 that so many people bail from fights from you, it could be you have other corp mates in the system and they think they will get blobbed if they take the fight, it could be they are just farming and are not even interested in fighting or it could be they don't want a fair fight and will only engage if they know/think they are going to win, none of these reasons have anything to do with kill boards. As far as you not saying all, please see the title of your thread. It seems you haven't read anything at all. I've convoed guys after they bailed from fights, many of them told me they're too scared to lose it BECAUSE of the killboard stats, I know guys who only fight in blobs because they're SO obsessed with green kb's. I know a guy I do pvp with who's too scared to fly solo coz he doesn't want losses on his kb. And you blame killboards, instead of the people. I'll give you a hint. Next time you encounter a person that worries so much about what others think ... ... (and that's what this is actually about) ... ... you will threaten to hunt him and kill him over and over again until his killboard is ruined. That'll fix it one way or the other.
Of course I blame the people, killboard itself isn't guilty!
The people are the issue here!
Ah **** it, I'm exhaused..let's go bowling.
You've won ok? Let me be, I'm too old for this anyway. |
Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:35:28 -
[77] - Quote
The number one ranked character on zkillboard ran away from the alliance tournament.
This alone speaks volumes on the value of killboard stats. |
Paranoid Loyd
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:41:36 -
[78] - Quote
Look man you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am, all I'm saying is you made a baseless claim encompassing everyone. I hate it when people do that.
Do some people obsess over killboards stats? Of course.
Does everyone that bails from a fight (especially one with someone who has most likely been around way longer than them) obsess over their killboard? No
Do most people obsess over their killboard? Probably not, would be hard to properly quantify.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
208
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:04:31 -
[79] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Shelby Dusette wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:
what's your point?
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. I C wat U did there! Quote:I think killboards are fun. They're a nice, convenient summary of your fun time (or sadness) as well as a great intel and after-action tool. Most gamers love stats, numbers and spreadsheets about themselves, the game or other players and nothing wrong with that. It's a public record you can take pride (or horror) in. Sure, some people take it to extremes though like any other part of the game, but heh. http://i.imgur.com/Wujzy5l.jpg
Well said. I tend to think that people who say "there would be more pvp without killmails/boards" are really saying " I would pvp more if my shameful losses were not made public, those public losses make me feel bad about myself and lets others ridicule me". It's basically a self-esteem issue.
Once you realize that you are the coolest cat you know life gets a lot more enjoyable. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:08:47 -
[80] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Of course I blame the people, killboard itself isn't guilty!
The people are the issue here!
Ah **** it, I'm exhaused..let's go bowling.
You've won ok? Let me be, I'm too old for this anyway.
Boring!
How about we get together in a non homosexual way
and ruin some peoples killboards by jumping onto them while they are fighting others?
It seems that you know people who care enough to make this a worthwhile endeavour. |
Steppa Musana
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:18:41 -
[81] - Quote
PVP is just a different form of grinding for many players. Some players grind ISK, others grind killboard statistics. |
Ayx Shewma
0scope
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
71
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:34:41 -
[82] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people.
Unless you're a Nobel level geneticist, good luck changing people. we've been basically the same for hundreds of thousands of years and we'll still be basically the same 100,000 years from now.
It's easier and more effective in the near future, to just get rid of the damn killboards.
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Mijou Star
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
15
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:38:43 -
[83] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. can guarantee alliance won't actually care about a faction web or we'd be nothing but a bunch of incredibly attractive hypocrites i personally don't care about a vindy on the board. ctq's lost expensive crap more than enough times in the past you have my permission as ctq's beauty pageant winner to explode hilariously
Confirming as long as you don't lose more then 1 super cap a month no one cares. |
Vestion Stenier-Tian
Icendus Corux
Warp to Cyno.
20
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:42:30 -
[84] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:
If we're recruiting? Warp to cyno is a great alliance and we are a great corp full of brave men, so if you feel like joining, sure.
Just gonna jump in here and say, can confirm.
Also, only really care about alliance kb if someone has a **** fit or is in a mining barge. Dont really care about the isk or amount of losses, it shows activity if anything.
So basically, come join our alliance, we're really ******* good I promise <3 |
Mijou Star
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
15
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:45:12 -
[85] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP I just looked at your killboard, you are either the greatest PVPer in this game or you choose your fights wisely just like the people you are accusing of running from a fight because of the reasons you wanted to make up in your head. Greatest pvper? What are you talking about? You know people like Dalikah? :) I just lost a comet today because I turned on my reps too late..derp. You either completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. So why am I, in your opinion, one of the best pvpers? You can have 10 000 kills and 100 deaths but if most of the kills were blobs, it doesn't mean you're good. Most of my small gang/solo pvp kills are from 2014, and my K/D ratio and all isn't that awesome. Yes, after you spend years in low you learn how to fit and fly ships well, so getting small gang/solo kills isn't that hard. Instead of suicide ganking visit us dirty pirates in low :) You might like it. Where to go? In the spirit of your thread, I refuse to look up the information on your killboard. Please answer my questions, though: Do you mind combat probing 1400mm Tornados with the occasional cloak? Do you feel bothered by people who suddenly decloak and jam your side of the fight, while completely ignoring your enemies? Do you talk in local a lot?Are you recruiting?
i can answer this one.. yes we talk A LOT in local |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15237
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:46:56 -
[86] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:The corporation my main resides in has one simple policy regarding Killboards: Don't post to them. *) Does that mean our kills/losses are not out there on those boards? Off course they are, probably mainly our losses. Is that relevant to us? Not in the slightest. The only relevant thing to us is having fun. And sometimes that leads to getting blown up. Big time.... *) We do use them for intel purposes though.....
What is your corp so I can join it.
Bacon makes us stronger
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14182
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:55:11 -
[87] - Quote
Ayx Shewma wrote:Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people. Unless you're a Nobel level geneticist, good luck changing people. we've been basically the same for hundreds of thousands of years and we'll still be basically the same 100,000 years from now. It's easier and more effective in the near future, to just get rid of the damn killboards.
The people who run away from you will still run away and we all lose the ALOD.
We gain nothing and lose a good chunk of content.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11527
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:55:28 -
[88] - Quote
You should check out my killboard stats. I haven't lost a ship in 18 months!
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
-á-á - Abrazzar
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Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
8
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Posted - 2014.12.13 07:09:21 -
[89] - Quote
I have not seen any good pvp alliance that has the bahaviour OP describes. Sounds like Highsec wardec stuff. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
6181
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:20:04 -
[90] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
Ah, now, back in the day, I'd be in agreement with you. However, as I've played the game I've learned how much intel the killboards can offer up on potential adversaries. That guy you're about to go after in that Prophecy, does he have any capitals or blops on killmails with it? If he does, he's probably cyno bait. So you get your own cyno and have your coalition standing by in their own stuff to counter.
What about that guy with all solo kills but a 90+ efficiency rating? He's probably not solo at all and has a logi alt nearby.
What are their favourite ships? Check their top monthly stats to see what they've been killing with lately, and how, etc.
I would estimate that 80-90% of the time, you can predict your opponent's moves just by his killboard alone. Personally, I don't put much stock in killboard stats as a reflection of anyone's ability. I got beat a few days ago by someone with a KB completely in the red, my Cynabal vs his Orthrus (I went and got revenge shortly after in a Fleet Scythe though). So while the killboards can show you someone's possible moves, they don't really show you how good they are, so never underestimate your opponent based on that.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
6181
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:23:02 -
[91] - Quote
Ayx Shewma wrote:Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people. Unless you're a Nobel level geneticist, good luck changing people. we've been basically the same for hundreds of thousands of years and we'll still be basically the same 100,000 years from now. It's easier and more effective in the near future, to just get rid of the damn killboards.
Exactly this. There are **** jokes carved into the walls of ancient public restrooms and baths in the ruins of Pompeii, as well as carved graffiti that essentially says, "for a good time, seek out Ophelia" (name is just an example). People don't really change that much.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
948
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:21:05 -
[92] - Quote
Without a little red on the board it loses that Christmasy feel.
I kind of like having a board to view who's been doing what and to whom. While I enjoy putting green things on there, it's not going to break my heart to put a splash of red on there either. This is doubly true if said splash of red results in me learning new things.
I'm still pretty green when it comes to PVP and I make stupid mistakes all the time. There may come a day when I can honestly say to myself 'you know, you might actually not be too bad at this', but that day is still a long time coming.
Until then having access to a record of not only my own mistakes and victories, but those of others in my corp and alliance is very helpful for me when it comes to figuring some things out. |
Cassie Celestis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:54:57 -
[93] - Quote
Steppa Musana wrote:PVP is just a different form of grinding for many players. Some players grind ISK, others grind killboard statistics.
This.. In other words everyone looks for something to do in the game.
Problem is killboard stats addiction is becoming an equivalent of "popular mmo title here" damage meter addiction.
.... Got... to ... have .... them stats...  |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
191
|
Posted - 2014.12.13 10:15:07 -
[94] - Quote
Mijou Star wrote:i can answer this one.. yes we talk A LOT in local
You're insanely pale.
Redhead.
Sexy dress.
Talk in local.
Hello there, my future ex-wife! |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
492
|
Posted - 2014.12.13 10:40:24 -
[95] - Quote
No killboard, no ALOD. That is a bad thing. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
828
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:43:15 -
[96] - Quote
They are great for forum warriors who can't win an argument and need to troll someone down but as others have suggested, in the game, nobody gives a rats ass.
They are used to determine fittings but that's not even that practical as 99% of loss have 12+ ships in on the kill. It's not like any fit was going to save you. |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2167
|
Posted - 2014.12.13 11:12:54 -
[97] - Quote
Space nerds = Killboards = fappage.
Was that so hard to grasp ?
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2603
|
Posted - 2014.12.13 11:23:22 -
[98] - Quote
Milla Goodpussy wrote:One of the main cancer's is killboard stalking.. I agree with the OP.. killboards have became such an obsession for the elites that they cant live without looking at it.. one main thing I simply do not understand is why my private in-game actions is posted outside on public without me even consenting to it..
it doesn't make sense, it causes griefing, there is no valid reason except exposing who's good at pvp and who's not.. and surely who's new to eve.. I know the elites will debate it over and over again and defend their obsessive compulsive disorder. but its true..
the gimmick of looking up expensive KM's almost teaches a person how to stalk someone online.. and that's what really it is plain and simple.
there are players that actually do not log into the game and play but instead just sit and watch killboards and then log in just to fuss at someone losing a ship on a killboard!.. its crazy
Au contraire , that's the best thing about it even people who are utter **** in pvp can have 90% efficiency and 100's of billions in kills as long as they fly in the blob.A killboard most of the times doesn't say anything about reall pvp experience unless you find a lot of solo kills in them and even then the question is if he was using an alt-falcon and alt-booster or not .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
517
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:26:01 -
[99] - Quote
Killboards, I hve what could be considered one embarassing loss on my killboard ignoring of course my first loss which was as a real noob. And that was losing a Drake to a Dramiel, however I was ratting and was jumped on by a blue whose alliance had set us red without telling us. Because the relationship was rocky and I thought he was acting to cause trouble I let him push me over the edge from the 3 Tyrant rats without firing back on him. In fact I found the fact that I did not shoot this person the most embarrassing thing about the loss, that is how little killboards matter to me.
I avoid giving people easy kills which is my mentality, I hunt and take fights to get kills on people who are looking for fights, I will take fights that are marginal, but I will never ever give people easy kills where they can blob or kill with no chance of them getting even a scratch on their paint work. It is the simple fact that Eve is a game where you largely get the drop on the other person and you do that in a number of different ways.
So I will avoid a definite loss where I have no chance at all and it is not because of my killboard, but because I am not there to make someone else feel better about themselves when all the cards are stacked in their favour. Its not just the killboard, but the perfect kill mentality of many of Eve players, especially those that gank people who have no chance to kill them back and I am not referring to hisec gankers which is completely different.
Killboards mean very little for the majority of players, apart from checking for stupid fits, stupid losses and how they are likely to be fitting their ships, it says nothing about their skills.
Ella's Snack bar
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:09:11 -
[100] - Quote
What's the point playing a PvP game without goals and competition? All life and human nature is to become better at something in your peer group. Killboards in EvE are just the equivalent of the high score list at your favorite pinball game.
BTW, it's non-consensual PvP, so if you can't force your opponents to fight, you may have to get better in that ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Aiyshimin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:33:24 -
[101] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
Yeah, safe except against MWD brawlers like the Comet and Incursus.
Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards.
There are people who really believe that ISK killed is somehow important figure, and even more important than kills/player. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:33:42 -
[102] - Quote
Aiyshimin wrote:
Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards.
Why? This is the price of defeat, the winner gets full inside in your fit, the looser does not. Actually public killboards help balancing that.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Equinnox Dethahal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:43:54 -
[103] - Quote
As someone who frequents the FW novice capture points.
People who have lots of pvp skills and skill points, and know what they are doing will go to the small and medium capture points, better reward for the time spent (at leas the small is not 100% on the medium)
I, and a lot of others, who do Novice, do so because we have such a small amount of SP there is no other option than to run, and this provides at least a basic foundation in how to operate in unsafe space, while at the same time building a nice foundation of wealth in loyalty points.
Make sure you check how old the player who disgusts you by warping away as you come into the novice. I know most who do this are feeding on newer players for the easy kills (people who actually care about killboard stats and want to pad it) otherwise they would be harassing the larger points with more experienced players.
Half the time im not even sure the ship on the novice gate dscan can even enter, im sure as hell not as advanced as to know "this ship is probably kite fit and I can take it, or this ship is fit in a way that ill die for sure" and when I go down in two volleys after doing perhaps 5% damage to your shield, because my DPS and Tanking skills are lv 3 or below....it just seems a hell of a lot smarter to put a few stabilizers on and GTFO and hope you go away so I can come back and get that loyalty (or go elsewhere)
So yeah, I see people who are experienced pvpers, who camp the novice gates, as the ones looking to pad their kill stats, not the guy who runs, chances are hes a noob...or just so awful at pvp....either way its not going to be a fun, challenging, entertaining fight....IN MOST CASES.
Check out the small and mediums though, those people at least have enough SP to ride a destroyer or higher tech ship and probably know enough about the game to give you a fight that's somewhat entertaining. Anyway, the people who stay on the novice when you come in are either so clueless about whats going on your just shooting fish in a barrel, or hes a pvper who knows what hes doing, and it will be a good fight. Chances are the guy who warps out, knows hes a bad pvper or too new. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1815
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:52:58 -
[104] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one. They're the bane of the game. Mr Epeen Agreed. Can't fly anything expensive, or else, 'zomg killboard!!!!!!!'... So what's the point of having nice things in EVE?... Your organisation sucks then, I have no limitations imposed upon me and I am free to exorcise my rights to be a special snowflake.
And got recognised for doing so!
goonswarm 2014; don't fly doctrine **** and we'll name a fleet concept after you |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 18:56:31 -
[105] - Quote
Equinnox Dethahal wrote:I know most who do this are feeding on newer players for the easy kills (people who actually care about killboard stats and want to pad it) otherwise they would be harassing the larger points with more experienced players.
this isn't the case. people shoot what they can catch. most pies roaming are looking for a proper fight. that doesn't mean they're not going to shoot whatever's in front of them. i've never heard of anyone specifically targeting younger players
go to a quieter system off the pipe and get into a medium plex chances are you won't be disturbed |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
Outlanders United
210
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:00:10 -
[106] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:What's the point playing a PvP game without goals and competition? All life and human nature is to become better at something in your peer group. Killboards in EvE are just the equivalent of the high score list at your favorite pinball game.
BTW, it's non-consensual PvP, so if you can't force your opponents to fight, you may have to get better in that ...
And you need a reference for your becoming better?
You may have a rude awakening, if your life centres on your peer group. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:02:30 -
[107] - Quote
also it's concievable experienced players'll sit in a novice plex rather than change system, because why move to a potentially more populated system when the one you're in is so quiet? the plexes might be named 'novice' but it doesn't mean anything |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Retribution.
191
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:04:26 -
[108] - Quote
If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch! |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:08:46 -
[109] - Quote
tiberiusric wrote:If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch!
I would say it is a mirror of the sad state of mind people nowadays have and removing killboards
would not change the problem one bit, because the people still stay the same.
Of course, everyone who rather blames "everything else than himself" will always keep
blaming "everything else" because they are unable to/unwilling to to see that it's their ego that's
the actual problem. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:43:37 -
[110] - Quote
embrel wrote:
And you need a reference for your becoming better?
Yes, otherwise progress is meaningless.
... and you as well when asking that question in the assumption of a morale higher ground ;)
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
829
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:51:58 -
[111] - Quote
Aiyshimin wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
Yeah, safe except against MWD brawlers like the Comet and Incursus. Anyway, killboards are nice, but mails should not include destroyed modules, only dropped modules. It makes no sense to get that sort of intel, and it would also affect the ISK efficiency chase, which is the worst effect of killboards. There are people who really believe that ISK killed is somehow important figure, and even more important than kills/player.
I'd like to see a minerals destroyed side to killmails and while killboards do create PvP grinders, they are the reason alliances can have logical reimbursement programs so there is good that comes from them. |
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:07:35 -
[112] - Quote
I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder.
I also heavily use killboards for intel.
I'm also for disabling them completely. Ingame killmail system works fine. IMO. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11529
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:12:45 -
[113] - Quote
Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder.
no you wouldn't
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
-á-á - Abrazzar
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:51:44 -
[114] - Quote
I blame the killboard to be the wrong source of intel as that is what it is being used for now.
Please explain how this is different to being able to load up a program about a wormhole you are about to enter?
You are getting intel that you didn't work for, and don't deserve. You can NOT say you could get this same intel from their characters time in game as this is not the same. I could play 1 month and log out for 2 years and it would say i am 2 years old.
The fact is your getting information from your enemies that they wouldn't share.
This isn't only game changing its game breaking, it provides unfair intel you didn't work for.
Funny how in this game everyone uses 3rd party programs and no one seems to see the problem in that. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
211
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:40:37 -
[115] - Quote
Andski wrote:Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:I for one confirm I would pvp much more often and in more expensive fits if it weren't for killboards. Since there are killboards I do to a degree keep track of my kill/loss ratio and my progress on the ladder. no you wouldn't
True.
She's a liar. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4219
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:00:47 -
[116] - Quote
Sugar Smacks wrote:You are getting intel that you didn't work for, and don't deserve.
The fact is your getting information from your enemies that they wouldn't share.
if they wouldn't share it, then how did it get posted on the killboard |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
2637
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:06:37 -
[117] - Quote
Why do people want a carefree EVE?
EVE PVP is exciting because losses are meaningful. When you have enough ISK to not really care, the permanent and public record of your losses is the only thing that keeps them real.
I have little interest in fighting people that would just undock because they know they can keep their losses secret. Man up and lose ships like a boss!
Also note that no-one really gives a damn about your losses except yourself (if you're so risk adverse), and secret hidden killboards won't really change that.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:42:22 -
[118] - Quote
And the fact your corps ceo (who if he isn't me then hes an asshat) blow up over your losses reflecting badly on the corp/alliance/coalition why bother going to corp at all 
Mother scope wants you to return no matter what happened your lovable npc has been there and helped you (for a reasonable tax) to pick yourself up again without wardecs
o7
Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:08:33 -
[119] - Quote
Killboards will never go away. Best to just deal with it and carry on. If someone runs from you, just try harder next time to catch them.
If you have shiny ships you want to use, then start up your own corp, or start up a toon and use that toon to fly those shiny ships. Either way, play EVE how you want, not how others want you to play. If your corpies ***** and moan about killboards, then seriously, start up your own corp with your own rules. |
Aiyshimin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:48:26 -
[120] - Quote
Problem with EVE is that there aren't any in-game mechanics that turns player skills into stats, so PVP players are left with only one measure, killboards. There isn't anything in game that you could achieve by being good at PVP.
It's how you follow your own progress and evaluate success. |
Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
813
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:55:40 -
[121] - Quote
Let me speak for ~90% of PVP players:
No KB = no deeck waving = boring. |
Piscis
0utbreak
Outbreak.
18
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:22:44 -
[122] - Quote
Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:31:40 -
[123] - Quote
Piscis wrote:Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. Remove people who can't deal with ECM and the game becomes a whole lot better.
Alternatively ... everyone should train for ECM. |
Piscis
0utbreak
Outbreak.
18
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:59:53 -
[124] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. Remove people who can't deal with ECM and the game becomes a whole lot better. Alternatively ... everyone should train for ECM.
I rest my case.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
218
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:06:35 -
[125] - Quote
Piscis wrote:Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. Remove people who can't deal with ECM and the game becomes a whole lot better. Alternatively ... everyone should train for ECM. I rest my case. That's great!
One less whiner! |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
28815
|
Posted - 2014.12.14 11:13:36 -
[126] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:Everyone is too obsessed with their killboard stats!
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER.
it does make for some funny conversations with CODE in local.
those guys are one big hilarious joke that I can't get enough of.
Founder of the Graycember movement and LAGL's pet cat.
Critically Preposterous - EXPLOSIONS?
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
28815
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:14:23 -
[127] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. Remove people who can't deal with ECM and the game becomes a whole lot better. Alternatively ... everyone should train for ECM. I rest my case. That's great! One less whiner!
take one down, two take their place.
Founder of the Graycember movement and LAGL's pet cat.
Critically Preposterous - EXPLOSIONS?
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
219
|
Posted - 2014.12.14 11:34:53 -
[128] - Quote
Liafcipe9000 wrote:Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Sol Project wrote:Piscis wrote:Remove ECM faggotry and the game becomes a whole lot better. Remove people who can't deal with ECM and the game becomes a whole lot better. Alternatively ... everyone should train for ECM. I rest my case. That's great! One less whiner! take one down, two take their place. Somehow the conversation always gets to either ECM or AFK Cloaking or Local or a mix of them. 
Local is bad.
ECM is bad.
AFK cloaking is bad.
So they say.
Removing what they whine about would change nothing,
because the whiners have not changed at all.
Conclusion:
Removing whiners improves the game. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
69
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Posted - 2014.12.14 12:50:12 -
[129] - Quote
I don't give a **** about KB too!
OP, 1v1 at sun u scrub.
I don't think KBs are bad, I think the people that cares about some silly statistics on KBs are bad.
KBs are for people to advertise how many F1 monkeys they have in corp. Yeah.... ISK efficiency 90%+... how many of that belongs to solo ops?
IMO the only stats that indicate a player's skill level are solo stats. I have pretty bad stats right now (current month), but I'll say this is the best month I had this year due to some very interesting solo fights that occurred despite many losses.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11530
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Posted - 2014.12.14 19:12:11 -
[130] - Quote
Chronoxi wrote:IMO the only stats that indicate a player's skill level are solo stats. I have pretty bad stats right now (current month), but I'll say this is the best month I had this year due to some very interesting solo fights that occurred despite many losses.
"solo stats" are easily misleading
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
-á-á - Abrazzar
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.12.14 21:59:42 -
[131] - Quote
Andski wrote:Chronoxi wrote:IMO the only stats that indicate a player's skill level are solo stats. I have pretty bad stats right now (current month), but I'll say this is the best month I had this year due to some very interesting solo fights that occurred despite many losses. "solo stats" are easily misleading
"solo stats" are lies when you can offgrid boost and not even be on the kill report
One would think if they are going to have reports it would actually show the people involved.
Oh and all the cloakers are fine with getting rid of afk cloaking if they ever got rid of local chat in null sec.
How difficult life must be watching the local chat bar to know if you need to hide or not. |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion
The Bloc
32
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:21:02 -
[132] - Quote
FW space. Fights are easy to find.
Well, if you exclude all the farmers.
And the Ishtar that won't let me farm in peace.
And the gangs.
It's easy to find. Just sit in a plex and wait for content. Avoid pirate ships and hope for the best. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4219
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:01:39 -
[133] - Quote
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:FW space. Fights are easy to find.
Well, if you exclude all the farmers.
And the Ishtar that won't let me farm in peace.
And the gangs.
It's easy to find. Just sit in a plex and wait for content. Avoid pirate ships and hope for the best.
the op is specifically about fw space
also we are pirate ships D: |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4219
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:02:48 -
[134] - Quote
Sugar Smacks wrote:Oh and all the cloakers are fine with getting rid of afk cloaking if they ever got rid of local chat in null sec.
How difficult life must be watching the local chat bar to know if you need to hide or not.
suddenly we're in a cloaking thread? |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14225
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:12:21 -
[135] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Oh and all the cloakers are fine with getting rid of afk cloaking if they ever got rid of local chat in null sec.
How difficult life must be watching the local chat bar to know if you need to hide or not. suddenly we're in a cloaking thread?
Every thread is a grr cloaking thread. Unless its about ECM, in which case its a grr cloaking thread.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
70
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:29:51 -
[136] - Quote
OGBs do happen, but so do boosters and super implants. OGBs do run a risk of getting popped (a small risk, but a risk nonetheless)
OGBs are really easy to spot in FW systems too, just do a long scan and get an idea of what you're dealing with.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
236
|
Posted - 2014.12.15 00:51:33 -
[137] - Quote
How comes I see more and more people join "Warp to Cyno" and respective corporations inside? |
Ridiculae
Bedlam Escapees
Silent Requiem
10
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:58:33 -
[138] - Quote
No KB is No bragging rights, which is half the fun, I mean, 5.4 bill pod is something to bragg about!
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42814328/
* bragggg* |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
4220
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:07:16 -
[139] - Quote
Sol Project wrote:How comes I see more and more people join "Warp to Cyno" and respective corporations inside?
we're too obsessed with our posting stats
(probably someone was chatting about the thread in comms and some more turned up to post i don't know) |
Alexstrazaas
Perkone
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:28:25 -
[140] - Quote
Only thing i am OBESSED over with is MAH ROKH!
*lol has 23 turrets on it*
CAUSE IMMA ROKH YOU BABY TONIGHT!
ROKH!
ROKH!
ROKH!
did i say i used tech 2 hybrids before they were even buffed?
HYBRID CALDARI FOR LIFE!
IMMA ROKH! |
Justin Zaine
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
96
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:56:44 -
[141] - Quote
Agree with a lot of what is said here: For one reason or another, people are wayyyy too risk averse in this game.
Having said that, I think that there's a big, thick line between being risk averse and scared of losing ships, and knowing how to pick your fights.
For example: The other day a few WT's undocked in a Diemos, Enyo and a Thrasher and trash talked my buddy and I for not aggressing in our Incursus and Rifter.
Do I care about losing an Incursus? Hell no. But neither do I make a point of mindlessly whelping ships when the cards are stacked against me.
There is no such thing as a fair fight in Eve.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
69
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Posted - 2014.12.15 07:45:07 -
[142] - Quote
Why don't we just remove everyone who's not a leet peeveepeer from killboards?
It's a win-win. They get to go at each other and can freely shame "you are on KB and dodge a fight booo", and KB gets a meaning by showing their leet peeveepee skills and no padding on the rest of us (who see combat as what it really is - pointless comparison of SP between characters, leading to nothing but losses).
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
2642
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:14:00 -
[143] - Quote
Basil Pupkin wrote:who see combat as what it really is - pointless comparison of SP between characters LMAO
Let's just put everyone on eveboard, then instead of spaceship PVP we can have massive meetings with thousands of people on teamspeak discussing their character stats.
/sarcasm
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1592
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:17:16 -
[144] - Quote
In my experience there are two types of PVP gamers: those that want to statisticly shine, and those that wish to see objectives met. I count myself part of the latter, and when others run away because they are to scared to take one for the team, my team wins. While it may be frustrating to some, it does add an element of deterrence to gameplay which does suit me on a strategic level. To scared to look like a fool? More chances for this fool to actually win!  |
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CCP Falcon
9937
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:40:43 -
[145] - Quote
I used to be pretty obsessed with killboard stats back in the day, then more people started to play, solo roaming battleships we're viable any more, and this started to happen a lot:
So I just thought "Screw it" and started having fun...
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Bentakhar
Minmatar Death Squad
18
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:28:11 -
[146] - Quote
Lol that GIF!
Killboards are a nice feature but some corps really care too much about em. Gotta find the right corp ;) |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2014.12.15 13:55:08 -
[147] - Quote
I have seen this so many times in Null sec, were gangs that outnumber and out gun us RUN! why cause they know we don't give a damn about loss's and if we think we can get a decent fight and take out one or 2 of there shiny ships we will even if it means the death of the whole fleet.
Killboards are the reason we see such risk adverse fleets such as 4 logi with carrier support and then wonder why no one will engage them or they get blobed. I think the worst fleet i saw was 4 guardians, 1 BB 1 Falcon a boosting astarte and 2 t1 cruisers...... i mean really?
Even goons are massively risk adverse, after killing my geddon(mistake on my part) , they RAN from a t1 5 man cruiser gang despite massively outnumbering us and each of there battlecruisers having fighter support..... and cause they ran they lost some ships that got caught and ended up actually having worse kill stats than if they had stayed and killed ****.
So when people say Syndicate is dead.... take a look at what your flying and ask yourself would you fight that?.
Ofc thats not to say that all groups are like this and hats off to Flumz for bringing something so shiny to null! |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:05:35 -
[148] - Quote
Maybe we need more high score lists than less ... best miner, best mission runner, best explorer, best trader, best logi pilot(!), ... for best logi the game could count how many ships been repaired are still alive 15 min later. Instead of Killmails you get Savemails for activating a repper on a target and Lossmails for failure to rep (target died within 15min) ...the longer I think about it, the more sense it makes ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
56
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:56:22 -
[149] - Quote
I do like to look at my killboard, even though it isn't stellar. But I do agree that KBs kind of ruin the game.
We had an incident where someone lost a marauder to pirates. Then he lost another one, and holy **** was the alliance in an uproar about that. Most of the time it's not a deal, but the absolute animosity he received changed my personal opinion about a couple select people.
It's a game, and too many people do stress over being green on the KB. I just enjoy flying, dying, and shooting things occasionally.
All great men have mustaches
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Friends and Feminists
317
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Posted - 2014.12.15 15:16:32 -
[150] - Quote
This thread is pointless. If you went to EVE Vegas or watched the stream, you would know that this group called Soul Takers already won killboards online, no point trying to compete with the best. |
Signal11th
1523
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Posted - 2014.12.15 15:16:40 -
[151] - Quote
Nope not everyone does, Haven't looked at mine for over a year. Couldn't care less to be honest.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Varathius
Blood Fountain Massacre
113
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Posted - 2014.12.15 19:59:52 -
[152] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did!
And it wouldn't be a problem for corp recruiters, either. They could just see all your kills/losses in your API.
Killboards in eve are generally a joke. Sure, people are putting some hard work that we actually have one, but they are flawed. The only good thing about the killboard (what I use it for), is to see potential fits the enemy might have. I do this however because I like to solo a lot. I don't care about kills, losses being on my killboard.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1403
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Posted - 2014.12.15 20:30:53 -
[153] - Quote
Killboard were trash since day 1 because they are easy to game and don't tell the whole story. They also encourage not doing your job correctly because you want to be on more kills so you split dps and other similar stupid behavior. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
435
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Posted - 2014.12.15 20:38:28 -
[154] - Quote
I am 5 years in and still don't have a KB... so I vote NO on obsession over KBs.
and I vote yes for coffee on the side, even though that wasn't mentioned, just because I would like some right now and it's on my mind; unlike killboards. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1404
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Posted - 2014.12.15 20:45:00 -
[155] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.
A beautiful killmail is like meeting Jessica Alba in a bar, nailing her, then having a photo of her curled up under your arm in bed.
Now imagine your Facebook page, covered in said photos, including Taylor Swift (and that fail-fit 300lb fatty you took down)...
Why, you would be a GOD amongst men, surely.
F
Or just good a showing up in large bloc fight and whoring... |
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.12.15 23:44:58 -
[156] - Quote
I once had a duel in my Pod outside Jita station, was testing out my new Jump clones 
My Ferox... well this got gate camped. If you want advice on fittings for Ferox fail, then copy the fitting, i equiped it with stuff in the local station that i got it from, perhaps not a wise choice, since the selection of good was limited to next to nothing.
The other deaths... well /facepalm fittings once again... I was only using stuff that i had collected from ship wrecks, this kinda doesn't work in EVE online. Then i found Jita station for buying stuff to fit my ships
My Pixie dust adventure into the world of pvp. Then i wanted to became a Pirate lost at sea, i vanished into the abyss My adventures of TinkerBell and The Lost Treasure .. I found a Gila all for me.
True story, no subtitles... |
Serene Repose
1750
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:59:22 -
[157] - Quote
What did you say? I was busy...obsessing over my killboard stats.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Seven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1376
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:52:01 -
[158] - Quote
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right...
No it's repeatedly making alts on your free slots and killing them. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
805
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:36:20 -
[159] - Quote
Killboards have little to do with the fact that people aren't particularly willing to spend time fiddling with marketing ships and fits, transporting them to convenient places, grinding back ISK they spend on that, all instead of just warping off and look for another target. That at least involves flying your ship in some less-dull-than-usual way instead of dealing with grinding/market/fitting/logistical crap associated with ship losses.
WTB better shopping lists than what we have in market window, with the ability to import stuff into it from saved fitting lists. |
Cymru2000
A Country Of Slightly Less Than Stellar Standards
Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:52:53 -
[160] - Quote
Barrogh Habalu wrote:WTB better shopping lists than what we have in market window, with the ability to import stuff into it from saved fitting lists.
You mean like dragging a fit from saved fittings into the market quickbar? Because, you know, you can totally do that.
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Jon Joringer
Zero-K
151
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:54:05 -
[161] - Quote
Removal of killboards would be absolutely fantastic -- it'll never happen, but it'd be fantastic. I really don't like them and what they do to the game. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27397
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:59:16 -
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Killboard culture is a defining trait of an org, and that variation should stay. The rest of my opinion is obvious.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
805
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Posted - 2014.12.16 07:06:39 -
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Cymru2000 wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:WTB better shopping lists than what we have in market window, with the ability to import stuff into it from saved fitting lists. You mean like dragging a fit from saved fittings into the market quickbar? Because, you know, you can totally do that.
Thanks, that's helpful. Gotta check that today. Although seeing how it's still just a quickbar entry, I guess we still have to input number of each type of mods manually, as well as manually go through every type to make an order? That's what I was referring to when I said "better lists".
Anyway, that's slightly off-topic. Good not to miss features though :) |
Taran Earendel
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
0
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Posted - 2014.12.16 07:27:40 -
[164] - Quote
The guy has a monocle. Boo hoo. |
Kazekage Dono
Little Girl and Co
29
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Posted - 2014.12.16 14:41:37 -
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Removing killboards sounds like someone has selfesteem issues. Fake it until you make it concept right? Or if you're an ugly woman ... best thing to do is go around and tell that pretty one she is slutty for showing the goods.
So there's boobjobs for your boobs.
Butt implants for your butt.
Lipo for your ... well inability to NOT eat something.
Minoxidil for those who can't take the fact they're losing hair. Or hell i've noticed those who moan they can't grow a full beard at the age 18 ... At wich point bar none has a full one.
Oil injections into muscle to look as if you are buff.
High heels for if you that other biatch is taller then you!
***** enlargement for those with big bellies so they can say hi to it again.
All this yet one thing remained a thorn in humanity's eye standing between them and eternal happiness. Death to killboards!
Didn't you hear that the universe owes you a life with zero emotional discomfort?
Congrats men ... you've been well emasculated. You may collect your ***** pass on the left at the free pussypas booth. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
237
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:00:53 -
[166] - Quote
wut m8
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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:09:02 -
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Killboards are fun and keep a record of my adventures in EVE, or misadventures like my Arazu last night, but there is an obsession some people have with them. But no need to get rid of them or anything silly like that |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
63
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:55:03 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sol Project wrote:This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. Interesting commentary, one might say the same about you. Or me.
I don't mind speaking up about it. I'm not afraid of being judged by others because my claims are supported by evidence. The volume of your posting alone discredits you.
You silly clowns should be ashamed. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
123
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Posted - 2014.12.16 19:55:58 -
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This is what happens when the community begin to chime in on something the elites love and the majority hate.. removal of killboards discussion
Oh I see you have a different opinion from ours..
(checks killboard)
oh you know nothing about pvp!
(checks killboard)
you're just a troll
(checks killboard)
but but but.... if I don't have my killboard stat i'll not stand out.
(stalks killboard to see if its still there)
but but but... if they remove killboards.. what would I do to stand out?? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
(goes back to looking at the killboard cause its his precious)
remove KB's.. you want more pvp.. you want more fun.. then get rid of the #1 reason folks hate pvp and those darn elitest KB's..
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2953
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Posted - 2014.12.16 20:52:44 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
872
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Posted - 2014.12.17 00:41:42 -
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Taran Earendel wrote:The guy has a monocle. Boo hoo.
Well best post evar!!!! You like to troll don`t you? get your main here so we can talk!. Or stfu.
Ontopic! i agree OP is right in some way. I dont fight but i see scores thats well -300000 and yes no one want that in there profile. If you want to enter "a pvp" or pirat corporation. The stats will say > noob. Or easy gank here!!!! |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Retribution.
191
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:22:59 -
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Sol Project wrote:tiberiusric wrote:If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch! I would say it is a mirror of the sad state of mind people nowadays have and removing killboards would not change the problem one bit, because the people still stay the same. Of course, everyone who rather blames "everything else than himself" will always keep blaming "everything else" because they are unable to/unwilling to to see that it's their ego that's the actual problem.
Agreed in some way, but the point I was trying to make is that people get to worried about firstly their own stats because it becomes an epeen thing, but on the other side, people are wary of having fun and just losing a ship, not because of an affect of the stats but the ridicule they receive for a loss or whether they had the right fit or not. That's the sad part to be honest.
Youre right sometimes its the people that actually stop others, but if they didn't have a tool that allowed them to do it then that would change things.
I used to be obsessed with them true, having my corp being the top kill corp or gaining 100 kills in one day was great but perhaps I would of had more people participate or actually more kills if I didn't have a killboard to worry about? |
Solj RichPopolous
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
104
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Posted - 2014.12.17 15:22:40 -
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I dont worry about killboard stats. I just play the game, and since since im so awesome at it my killboard falls in line.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Solj+RichPopolous
Granted I don't play much anymore cause of the afore mentioned problem making it hard for me to find a decent fight. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
238
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Posted - 2014.12.17 15:32:11 -
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tiberiusric wrote:Sol Project wrote:tiberiusric wrote:If kill boards didn't exist more people would pvp fact. Hopefully removed in next patch! I would say it is a mirror of the sad state of mind people nowadays have and removing killboards would not change the problem one bit, because the people still stay the same. Of course, everyone who rather blames "everything else than himself" will always keep blaming "everything else" because they are unable to/unwilling to to see that it's their ego that's the actual problem. Agreed in some way, but the point I was trying to make is that people get to worried about firstly their own stats because it becomes an epeen thing, but on the other side, people are wary of having fun and just losing a ship, not because of an affect of the stats but the ridicule they receive for a loss or whether they had the right fit or not. That's the sad part to be honest. Youre right sometimes its the people that actually stop others, but if they didn't have a tool that allowed them to do it then that would change things. I used to be obsessed with them true, having my corp being the top kill corp or gaining 100 kills in one day was great but perhaps I would of had more people participate or actually more kills if I didn't have a killboard to worry about?
Had more kills without killboards? How would you even know? What would be the point of fighting, if the results wouldn't be tracked?
EVE Online as a game is completely dependent on the guys who upkeep zkillboard.com, and it's surprising that CCP still haven't created an official killboard.
Or created meaningful objectives for PvPers outside faction warfare.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
882
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Posted - 2014.12.17 15:39:36 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right... No it's repeatedly making alts on your free slots and killing them. Also 1 shot whoring on the pos with 100 mods, ykno no ones gonna check page 17 of zkill and find them right.......
Page 17? All of my POS whoring glory (in a Vigil no less) is right on page one for all to view, with minimal effort. |
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