Who I am in this game is about as true-to-life as my character's six-pack abs.

Not at all. I do what I do because I can (Because I find it entertaining to some extent,) .

Uhh.
What?
How are they severely unbalanced?
You can spend a couple of weeks training your corp into Kitsunes and Hyenas. Web and ECM from 20k away all war targets. They need to bring more forces. A single Kitsune can keep any cruiser jammed with 80%+ chance, unless it has ECCM or is a T3 with the sensor strength subsytem, it just needs to fit for racial ECM and no tank. 4 jammers, 1 mwd, signal distortion amplifiers. Hyena is 3 t2 or m4 webs, 1 mwd.
Kitsune with Signal Dispersion IV, 4*Hypnos Ion Field ECM I and 2* Signal Distortion amplifier has a 96.7% jam chance against a 1bn isk proteus (18 sensor strength). Oh sure, they might just fit ECCM, but it's still a blaster boat. 3 webs from a Hyena with Electronic Attack Ships IV can make a ship move at 6.4% of its original speed from 26k away.
If the jam succeeds, you can just warp off.
If it doesn't, hope you won't die in the next 60s or take the 25m loss.

Their only counter is to bring more numbers or change their fits. The first is annoying, because they probably have multiple wardecs and don't want to dedicate so many resources to a single group, the 2nd can be annoying, because they need to gimp their fit in some way. Such as my proteus fit. To fit an ECCM mod, you either drop your mwd, scram or web, or you lose 137 dps or some tank and become unable to permarun the MWD (not that you should be doing so, but just in case).

E: Ezwal, "grief"decs are related to miners. But I'll add some on topic stuff any way.

From my understanding, people don't really hate miners. They're just easy targets, so why not kill them?

Calling people sociopaths in RL for what they do in a game is beyond any good taste. Why are all this miners and their carebear friends so hateful?

If I play this game I just want to have some fun and explode some things. I don't have the time to roam around for hours in all this deserted parts of New Eden. Killing miners is a good way to get instant access to some interesting casual PvP. If you don't like that then go play WoW or something, but don't hate on the people who play this game to have some fun.

If your definition of fun or good use of your free time is torturing yourself for hours by shooting space rocks, then that is your problem. Don't project your own problems and hatred onto others.

Greetings Everyone,

Please Please for the love of all things holy in EVE, keep your posts on topic and away from personal attacks. These topics are always emotionally charged and trend toward over moderation. With your help we can sit back and observe instead of breaking out the MOD hammer on off topic posts. Press on

On On

Funnily enough you are the one who seems to have a problem since you are saying all miners are the hateful ones.

Please remind me when i last wished death to rain down upon a gankers head? Since i am a miner after all and really must hate people who decide to play the game in the manner that they wish. We may disagree on what our definitions of PVP mean , but don't make me out to be some nutter!!

Also aren't you diverging from your leader's evangelical statements that you are helping miners in this game to interact more by blowing them up and not because you are doing it for your own benefit? Hopefully you will see the errors of your ways and rejoin the faithful on the righteous path of the tue direction of Eve.

What surprises me, is that CCP allow these really tired 'tough guys' disparaging other folk who do not play the game the way 'they' want them to, to be aired time and time again.

So long as folk do not break the rules as laid down by CCP, how folk choose to play is and should be, entirely up to them.

What surprises me, is that CCP allow these really tired 'tough guys' disparaging other folk who do not play the game the way 'they' want them to, to be aired time and time again.

So long as folk do not break the rules as laid down by CCP, how folk choose to play is and should be, entirely up to them.

So, if I like to go to kink clubs, tie people up and spank them - you would say that it is no reflection on my personality because that is the right place to do it and I am just conforming to one role I can take in that place?

Because the person in the club is the same person out of the club.

Players that role play miner killing psychos in game are role playing the same way an actor that plays a homophobic murderer in a movie is just acting. Shockingly enough, we don't throw actors that portray such villains into prison.

This is the issue with carebears, not just miners. They're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, simply assuming that something is wrong with their enemies in real life. It's due to this fallacy they believe they have the right to spew hateful comments about them. It's this very attitude that gives carebears such a bad reputation.

And... righteous path... seriously? The fact that miners are getting ganked is a good thing.
If that wouldn't happen, we would have way more whining about empty belts,
there would generally be much more afk "activity" and we would have way more bots.

Fix your sarcasm detector, Sol. He's poking fun at CODE for the language they use. He even included a smiley.

Perfect example of what is said when a player cannot distinguish fantasy from reality. Thank you!

Perfect example of a person who has no understanding of people ...
... or you're a liar trying to justify his attitude.

You probably are exactly what I am talking about.

A griefer.

Because the person in the club is the same person out of the club.

Players that role play miner killing psychos in game are role playing the same way an actor that plays a homophobic murderer in a movie is just acting. Shockingly enough, we don't throw actors that portray such villains into prison.

This is the issue with carebears, not just miners. They're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, simply assuming that something is wrong with their enemies in real life. It's due to this fallacy they believe they have the right to spew hateful comments about them. It's this very attitude that gives carebears such a bad reputation.

And here's me thinking we were going to have a mature discussion.

Sigh.

We could have, if your understanding of people wasn't so borked. :)

Also aren't you diverging from your leader's evangelical statements that you are helping miners in this game to interact more by blowing them up and not because you are doing it for your own benefit? Hopefully you will see the errors of your ways and rejoin the faithful on the righteous path of the tue direction of Eve.

Protip: mature discussion involves dispelling misconceptions.

Protip: mature discussion involves dispelling misconceptions.

Don't even try, he is just a troll. "Discussions" with him always end like that.

And here's me thinking we were going to have a mature discussion.

Sigh.

This is actually an interesting question.

There's a reason why actors are professionally trained: Heath Ledger wasn't, and playing a psychopath didn't work out too well for him. Jack Nicholson, a previous Joker who is professionally trained, even warned him that the role would exact a price on his sanity.

The fact is that nobody can tell fact from fiction. Yes, consciously, we're aware that we're watching a movie, but the part of our brain that logs experiences files those experiences in the same cabinets as the real ones. Art matters. Art is powerful. The pen is famously mightier than the sword.

Pretending is a creative act, and once something is created, it exists.

Now, this is not a stealth "ganking is bad" post. For one thing, there are enough reasons to do it that it hardly even makes sense to me to lump it all into one category (for example, freighter ganking is part of nullsec alliance warfare--they all use plausibly deniable alts to do logistics in high sec, so there's a whole sort of cloak-and-dagger logistics war to parallel the hot war in null space). For another, there are plenty of examples of destructive, or at least dysfunctional, behavior outside of, and also opposed to, the various ganking communities. No role in this game intrinsically justifies or damns you. But you should be aware of what you're doing, and you should respect its power.

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