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baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14170	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:44:06 - [31] - Quote Anslo wrote: You know about ships other than Megathrons? O.O Gotta know how frigates work before you can get a Mega to fly like one Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 462	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:50:03 - [32] - Quote Sandbox means everybody can do their thing. Question is can you do yours, while they do theirs? If so, let them hate. If not, get friends and kill them
Marsha Mallow 1731	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:15:48 - [33] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Please go ahead and listen to Sahsa Nyemtsov reading James 315s manifesto 2 for a reasonable summary of how utterly terrible miners are and how they have had a massive negative impact on the gameplay of others. If you get done and you're thinking "Isn't he overstating the negative impact miners have on the gameplay of others?" No he isn't. People hate them for real reasons. Only in two minutes, already guffawing like an idiot. "My moto is that you should never use 20,000 words when 15,000 will do." Well said. Whoever James is in reality, he's definitely in touch with his feminine side. Maybe he is a she, who knows? First lesson I learned from the female family harpies was not to try engage in logic or reason when debating with inferior beings. Just machine gun them with words until they run to their mancave. +1 for Sasha, love the intonation @ the OP, it's not hate, it's contempt/disdain/pity. A lot of us mined and found it excruciatingly boring, a dead end, and a locus for people to whine about non consensual combat and bang on about their wow-swag. Altho tbf I did once mine with a bunch of drunken aussies who were hilarious, but that was only when they started role-playing with the asteroids. 'Professional' miners are as odd as any other gamestyle. But the hardcore screechers make the rest look bad, and are basically waving their arms around asking for a kicking. I'm pretty sure there was never a game trailer that showed hippies cross-dressing and reading fanfic to each other whilst hitting the bong, then dressing up as midgets and weaving daisy chains to decorate their pickaxes (they do mutter about 'the man' obliquely tho). There's nothing wrong with semi-afk gameplay imo - I used to play online poker during all sov ops. Judging by keyups and giflinks many others in fleet were engaging in a one handed mini game. Each to their own v0v Farming is the issue, rather than the 'profession', and farming for the sake of it in particular. Don't take it personally, I give a "GF" to mining ships that get away DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:20:50 - [34] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why. Spend your time figuring out how to use the hate to your advantage instead. Yeah, like handing it out in almost every thread in a worthless fashion. 1. Live on forums of a video game posting 1 liners in every thread. 2. Hate your life and share your hatred to make others feel a little more of what you are feeling. 3. ????? 4. Profit? Congrats.
Gleb Koskov Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:23:22 - [35] - Quote By mining regularly you're cutting into the the big alliances botting profits.
Paranoid Loyd 2988	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:23:37 - [36] - Quote NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why. Spend your time figuring out how to use the hate to your advantage instead. Yeah, like handing it out in almost every thread in a worthless fashion. 1. Live on forums of a video game posting 1 liners in every thread. 2. Hate your life and share your hatred to make others feel a little more of what you are feeling. 3. ????? 4. Profit? Congrats. Hi Rod, thanks for your daily does of tears, see you tomorrow. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Burl en Daire M.O.M.S. Corp 88	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:28:17 - [37] - Quote People hate miners because they think that EVE is a PVP only game and for the most part it is. Many of the miner haters are trolling because it is fun but others don't like miners because they think they are playing the game wrong because they are not PVPing. It is the same as miners hating gankers and null pilots hating AFK cloakers. Those haters think the other side is playing the game wrong and one of the only ways to fight back against what they feel is wrong is to troll. Mining is boring, gate camping is boring, huge TiDi fleet fights are boring, FW plexing is boring, industrial click fests are boring, probing is boring, scouting is boring and like someone else said, EVE is a boring game. The only thing that makes EVE worth a damn is the players that fill the space. I don't enjoy PVP and some pilots can't understand that and it isn't something bad towards them, it's just how they view the game. Miners do get a lot of hate but I don't think it is directed to the miner but more to the the idea that they are doing wrong. Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 232	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:28:35 - [38] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate? The strong hate the weak, because at some time or another they were just like them, but managed to change. The weak remind them of what they used to be, which is why they hate them. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:28:46 - [39] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why. Spend your time figuring out how to use the hate to your advantage instead. Yeah, like handing it out in almost every thread in a worthless fashion. 1. Live on forums of a video game posting 1 liners in every thread. 2. Hate your life and share your hatred to make others feel a little more of what you are feeling. 3. ????? 4. Profit? Congrats. Hi Rod, thanks for your daily dose of tears, see you tomorrow. Hey, isn't this the guy who got his raven nerf'd, which ended in him having his own name turn into his own sad reality?
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:31:48 - [40] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Hi Rod, thanks for your daily dose of tears, see you tomorrow.[/quote] jeeze, at least give me a little time to edit my spelling mistakes. I know you live on here with baltec1 but do you have to F5 every second? I wouldn't want to make your day with some grammatical error or something.. I don't actually live on these forums, kid. I was giving you a reminder of a reality that I'm sure you would like to ignore. I'm curious. What is it like to live a life of denial? Truth hurt? Deal with it.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7525	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:33:28 - [41] - Quote Some players seem to get really ~~jealous~~ butthurt when you don't play EVE the way they think you should, especially if you are having fun doing it. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
dark heartt 518	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:34:19 - [42] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Please go ahead and listen to Sahsa Nyemtsov reading James 315s manifesto 2 for a reasonable summary of how utterly terrible miners are and how they have had a massive negative impact on the gameplay of others. If you get done and you're thinking "Isn't he overstating the negative impact miners have on the gameplay of others?" No he isn't. People hate them for real reasons. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You actually linked to something written by James 315 as if anything he writes isn't a joke. Thank you. I needed that laugh. My day was a little flat until I saw this post. The day the "savior of highsec" actually writes something serious (because everything that guy writes is one big joke), I'll join the ******* new order. Also OP. Just mine if you enjoy it. Who cares about what people think. I did for ages until I found what I wanted to do. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor The Gorgon Spawn 1592	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:34:26 - [43] - Quote If you look at every PVP/PVE mmo you've ever played, you typically get two types of players - those that PVE mostly and those that PVP mostly. PVP'ers have always made fun of / talked down to / ridiculed / etc people that PVE. Why? PVE players are not skilled, are easy kills, not dedicated to improving, **** off the "pros", don't play the PVP game "the way it should be played", etc. It's not much more than that. Ultimately who cares though? Play how you want. It's your money. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
Kalishka Ashkulf Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:43:31 - [44] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Preposterous. (I hope that word wasn't too long for you.) So-called PvP-ers (read: gankers) make this idiotic claim all the time. "So called"? As much as you hate it, it is PvP. At what point is a miner not a player? Nobody ever said PvP was fair Serene Repose wrote: Your guess is as good as mine. You can toss this BS in with the "hate miners" thing. Just remember, all sociopaths must "objectify" others so they can feel good about themselves engaging in pointless and destructive behavior. (How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles.) Two things, 1) I will take a stab in the dark and suggest that you neither are A) a Doctor. Or B) Have the insight to each and every individual (current trend, history, social behavior, capacity to make life decisions, awareness of state, forensic back ground to name but a few). 2) You get joy from mining rocks, others enjoy PvP. Like every other aspect, accept this as fact. Serene Repose wrote: It's not that they hate. They feel nothing. It's that using the word "hate" (they imagine) engenders the right groupthink to mask behavior they themselves have a problem with...but are too embarrassed to admit. Your suggesting that each and every PvP'er who has killed a "poor and innocent" miner, is a closet case miner? Please excuse me while I laugh my head off on that one Serene Repose wrote: No. They don't hate miners. They just say that. They think it makes them seem tough, when it's just a form of cowardice Yup, you're the little guy. You're not quite fighting all good and bad, but you are surely the hero Why, thank you, Thing!
Paranoid Loyd 2989	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:45:51 - [45] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why. Spend your time figuring out how to use the hate to your advantage instead. Yeah, like handing it out in almost every thread in a worthless fashion. 1. Live on forums of a video game posting 1 liners in every thread. 2. Hate your life and share your hatred to make others feel a little more of what you are feeling. 3. ????? 4. Profit? Congrats. Hi Rod, thanks for your daily dose of tears, see you tomorrow. Hey, isn't this the guy who got his raven nerf'd, which ended in him having his own name turn into his own sad reality? Not Raven, Rattlesnake, and yes. It's hilariously entertaining. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 878	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:48:08 - [46] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: It takes literally zero effort to find a miner to gank versus, say, hunting a cov ops exploration vessel doing null-sec sites. Both are harvesting, but one takes an active interest in making sure not to get caught while the other is generally watching Netflix. It's not necessarily "hate", just disdain that someone is affecting the game without really playing it. Sorry, but I couldn't help smiling. Next time you try to gank one of my new miners, make the effort and actually use that ship scanner you fit before you decide to engage. I train tank first, yield second . Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Mashie Saldana Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno. 1247	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:50:26 - [47] - Quote Miners are adorable. They are the hard working class. They put their life on the line for us. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have our ships.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2918	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:59:06 - [48] - Quote Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2921	Posted - 2014.12.13 00:09:07 - [49] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Thread reopened. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Sol Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 179	Posted - 2014.12.13 00:13:41 - [50] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: Miners are adorable. They are the hard working class. They put their life on the line for us. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have our ships. Please see my second post on the first page. (love the sarcasm though!)
Steppa Musana Republic University Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.12.13 00:17:14 - [51] - Quote It is childish elitism and nothing more. No different than the chest-beating bully in high school who picks on a nerd to look cool. Some people just need to feel better about themselves.
Captain Davison Malachi Keep Detachments 2	Posted - 2014.12.13 00:52:58 - [52] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate? "How dare you not play exactly like I play!" is the typical answer than can be inferred between the lines.
Wendrika Hydreiga Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 149	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:01:12 - [53] - Quote Relevant! I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles?
Anhenka The Cult of Personality DARKNESS. 754	Posted - 2014.12.13 01:07:25 - [54] - Quote I agree there are two sort of people. One is the PvP player, who understands that this is a PvP game and that anything within the rules is permitted by the rules, and thus keeps whining about things he/she doesn't like resticted to things like ship balance. The other is the PvE player, who "understands" that this is a PvE game with "optional" PvP elements. To this person, things that interfere with their playstyle is a problem, and problems as everyone knows, are things to be fixed. Thus you get the endless torrent of miners and haulers and mission runners and renters who then come to forums or to local chat to complain that the thing that interferes with their playstyle needs to be changed. As a whole, most PvP players simply don't care about the quiet PvE players. WE don't like or dislike them, we simply care nothing about them. They just don't matter to much of anything. But the PvE players who come to the forums full or righteous anger to "fix" the horrible situation that is PvP players inconveniencing their playstyle in some way? Those we loathe. So go forth and play your PvE style. But if you whine and someone move you from nonexistence to active dislike, then you are welcome to shove it.
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6179	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:00:20 - [55] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate? I don't hate miners, I'm just protecting the ecosystem that you're destroying. Those asteroids are home to amazing sources of microbial life where nothing else could survive, feeding off the precious minerals that you're taking to satisfy your greed. And for the record, yes, EVE is entirely PVP. PVP = player vs player. By mining those resources, you are denying them from another player, making your activities PVP in nature. This makes you a target for anyone that might have wanted those resources. It also makes you a target for people that enjoy seeing things explode so.... welcome to EVE. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6179	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:02:15 - [56] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Relevant! I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles? You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10809	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:05:51 - [57] - Quote You want to know why people hate miners? I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me. Quote: Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue. That's why I hate miners. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:11:15 - [58] - Quote Anhenka wrote: I agree there are two sort of people. One is the PvP player, who understands that this is a PvP game and that anything within the rules is permitted by the rules, and thus keeps whining about things he/she doesn't like resticted to things like ship balance. The other is the PvE player, who "understands" that this is a PvE game with "optional" PvP elements. To this person, things that interfere with their playstyle is a problem, and problems as everyone knows, are things to be fixed. And... ya know, everybody else.
dark heartt 518	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:15:16 - [59] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You want to know why people hate miners? I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me. Quote: Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue. That's why I hate miners. That makes 0 sense to me. You hate miners because one newbro decided mining was what he wanted to do, but then realised he didn't want to mine after trying it? Well then I hate explorers because I know someone who tried it and hated it. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6968	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:20:29 - [60] - Quote dark heartt wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You want to know why people hate miners? I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me. Quote: Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue. That's why I hate miners. That makes 0 sense to me. You hate miners because one newbro decided mining was what he wanted to do, but then realised he didn't want to mine after trying it? Well then I hate explorers because I know someone who tried it and hated it. Ignore him. He hates everything. I'm not even sure why he bothers to play the game. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!

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