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orange offspring
Black Core Federation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:17:00 -
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A GM told me that the changes to the hordes was because the original triggers was a bug letting players bypass them, I dont agree with the changes as the old way made up for salvaging time etc.
at the end of the day CCP wanted to change the anoms (the isk:EHP ratio) which is awesome but the changes to the horde sites have afffected them alot, i dont think CCP has taken into account that its not just the EHP of the site its the isk:EHP:salvage:haulage/building
if they want to keep the current changes then so be it but they need to seriously buff them to make them worth while, in any other region with rats that have bountys you can do two sites by the time you have done one site and salvaged it in drone space and thats not exactly balanced in my opinion
meh had my moan now trolls please hit me with a big stick
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:47:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Vipieris is correct.
Well if the mighty DMC says so, then obviously this is the case. Just go away please. You're a cocky little tw@t that gets an e-peen hardon by trolling and commenting on posts that you have no clue about.
Why the personal attacks bro?
PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite? |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:48:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Well, since CCP nerfed Drone Hordes, the Drone Regions have been lacking. I have come to a simple but brilliant solution. Move all the drone sites from high/low/pirate nullsec to drone nullsec. All those Rogue Drone Asteroid Infestations, Haunted and Chemical Yards, move them all to drone nullsec. You give the drone regions that much needed ISK buff they deserve, and you nerf safe highsec ISK farming!
Good god please make this happen. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:19:00 -
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orange offspring wrote:A GM told me that the changes to the hordes was because the original triggers was a bug letting players bypass them,
I can believe that, and all the people who profited from that bug and it's results (results detrimental to the mining profession and the EVE in general) simply need to get over the fact that the days of easy drone NPCing are gone. I wish CCP would go further, if Drone NPCs were made to be similar to other NPCs, the drone regions might be an attractive target. Moar war is better.
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Zandramus
Quiet.Storm
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:41:00 -
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Evgeniy Taran wrote:Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes. Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.
And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.
Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.
Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.
I got 2 things to say about this
1. Boo freekin. Hoo 2. It's about time they did this . The entire drone region was a mistake with mining with guns and all. Severly hurt the mining profession. You should not be able to mine up a capital ship worth of minerals the way you can in the drone regions. This is why we have the supercap problem we have today.
I see this as finally a fix to the mistake they made 3 years ago with the drone region. Maybe people will actually start to mine again and mineral prices will return to pre drone region prices.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:12:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Tetragammatron Alpha wrote: If you weren't terrible you could make ~300mil per hour running drone hordes with smart bombing carriers till they nerfed that.
Drone hordes always completed? No....everyone who lives there with a brain knows to just kill the bs, warp out and go next site. Warp in rorq/noctis a couple mins after to the last site when it has despawned.
We're talking about 1 week ago compared to today, not 'pluck a date out of the sky' compared to today. Regarding the despawning, you're not getitng this gist of the problem, now that the drones can't all be spawned at once, you can't just kill BS and then bugger off. Also, AFAIK the site won't despawn if there are NPC's left in it.
Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.
When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D
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Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:04:00 -
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Drone region nerfed to help miners seems to be the thread.
Suggestions for bounties and tags are not as good as they first sound. Anything that adds isk instead of items in the game will cause inflation.
I'd personally like to see more of the rare drone bpc's replace the alloy aspect from before so they become an item that is not just for collectors. Miners can get the buff and those rare drones will get down in price all while while reducing the negative effect of this patch in the drone region.
A little drone love is needed. As those who use them didn't get any help with those tier 3 bc's. Still stuck without a bc that has 125 bandwidth even though multiple cruiser have it. Atleast give us better access to the fancy drones.
Multiple fixes in one.
Imagine more drone aspects happening in the drone region. That's just crazy! |
Sub Prime
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:52:00 -
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Widemouth Deepthroat wrote: Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.
When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D
a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent').
b) Nope, you couldn't make 3-4 times as much as Sanctums doing Hordes (see above)
c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space?
Sorry, you fail at trolling. |
Sub Prime
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:54:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:
Why the personal attacks bro?
PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite?
I just dislike your attitude. You come across as a spoilt brat that gets off on being annoying. I wouldn't get on with you ingame or out of game, simple. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:18:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:
Why the personal attacks bro?
PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite?
Yea, I wouldn't worry about that guy, you can see by his over emotional "responses" (lol) to me that he's probably the type that takes any disagreement as something personal. We all know people like him IRL.
Best just to ignore him. Most of us know the Horde nerf is a good thing for the game as a whole. Nerfs always negativley affect someone, some people aren't honest enough to say that they know the thing they loved that got nerfed needed it.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:36:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Widemouth Deepthroat wrote: Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.
When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D
a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent'). and were still worse pre Crucible. b) I don't really care what it was like a year ago, I'm comparing pre to post . Trying to create a comparison between a year ago and a week ago vs now is plain stupid. c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space? Also, lol at trying to compare salvaging c5/6 wh's to salvaging hordes. use your brain...just because you salvage and collect loot in a can beside the proteus doesn't mean you have to haul it with proteus :D |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:11:00 -
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Sub Prime wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:
Why the personal attacks bro?
PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite?
I just dislike your attitude. You come across as a spoilt brat that gets off on being annoying. I wouldn't get on with you ingame or out of game, simple.
Well I dislike your face. OR LACK THEREOF.
You come across as a butthurt spaceship captain who takes things just a tad too seriously
amirite amirite? |
Cur
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:48:00 -
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This NameTaken wrote:Sub Prime wrote:Why do I still feel astounded when CCP make a changes without investigating the consequences of their actions. Why don't they get a dev to join a DR corp for a week and actually understand how the anoms work and what's wrong with them. Is it possible that they did investigate, and found that drones are making miners unneeded? I know this is a nerf to drone shooters, but it should be a much needed buff to miners.
If by Buff you mean you're the prison guard inside a prison's kitchen, standing over a miner/prisoner who's saying he prefers to get spaceships and shoot the crap out of the food plate(doing drone hordes) rather than eat it (mining in a hulk) because eating it would result in slow death by poisioning (how **** boring, uninventfull, and un-fun mining with a hulk has been, for some years now)
Perhaps if ccp nurfed the drone hordes at the same time they did something that would encourage people to go mining because they enjoy it, not because its seen as a mundane task that some would prefer to committ suicide over rather than actualy do, there wouldent be as much outcry?
TLDR: Mining the "old fashioned way" is as boring as ****, so is doing drone hordes but when compared to mining its an absolute shitload more tolerable. CCP's approach by nurfing the hordes to force people to go back to mining in a hulk to get the same mineral retruns is the equivilant of CCP cooking up porrige, telling everyone they put in the chef's own, fresh "special sauce with a side of assahirs" then shoving it down their throats regardless of their begs/cries to opt-out. |
Pestilent Industries
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:58:00 -
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No one cares about Russian bots, sorry. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:15:00 -
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thoth rothschild wrote:*knock* *knock* it was not ccp it were the players who requested that :> Please read the csm notes of the past months especially may summit. CSM only pursues topics that are relevant to their game play. They have never represented the majority of the Eve Community.
Emperor Salazar wrote:Sub Prime wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:
Why the personal attacks bro?
PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite?
I just dislike your attitude. You come across as a spoilt brat that gets off on being annoying. I wouldn't get on with you ingame or out of game, simple. Well I dislike your face. OR LACK THEREOF. You come across as a butthurt spaceship captain who takes things just a tad too seriously amirite amirite?
Heh, talk about taking things a tad bit too seriously. Actually the personal attack was started by Emperor Salazar which was conveniently left out of the quote. However, this response just proves Sub Prime's statement is correct.
This type of reply is a classic example of a prepubescence immature mentality that is currently plaguing these Forums.
This type of behavior is uncalled for and is detrimental to the Community, these Forums and the game itself. Fortunately there's a 'Report' option and after submitting a few of those, there's another option called 'Petition'.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:33:00 -
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Could be smarter about this..
Complain about drone salvage instead of drops. CCP has the numbers.. and I'd wager they know drone regions poop too many minerals into the market.
Or could be a bug exploit fix..
Or could be a counter to some other kind of exploit..
Just sayin.
The more minerals go up as result of this.. the value of each drone drop goes up. So do yourselves a favor and get a drone wreck salvage increase instead and end up with a win win.
What was that about salvaging being too difficult now? Maybe for someone not paying attention to the screen..
Just sayin. |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:40:00 -
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TL;DR Nurf drone poo drops give drones isk pay outs
miners every where rejoice! I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
22
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:46:00 -
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Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:Sub Prime wrote:Widemouth Deepthroat wrote: Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.
When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D
a) Yes, Hordes are worse than any Sanctum (the non drone 'equivalent'). and were still worse pre Crucible. b) I don't really care what it was like a year ago, I'm comparing pre to post . Trying to create a comparison between a year ago and a week ago vs now is plain stupid. c) You do realise that the alloys from a Horde take up approx 3000m3 of cargo space? Also, lol at trying to compare salvaging c5/6 wh's to salvaging hordes. use your brain...just because you salvage and collect loot in a can beside the proteus doesn't mean you have to haul it with proteus :D
How DARE you expect people to think for themselves and be creative!
You must be in the wrong game, BEGONE sir....
Hope your sarcasm meter dind't just explode :) .
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:26:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Heh, talk about taking things a tad bit too seriously. Actually the personal attack was started by Emperor Salazar which was conveniently left out of the quote. However, this response just proves Sub Prime's statement is correct.
This type of reply is a classic example of a prepubescence immature mentality that is currently plaguing these Forums.
This type of behavior is uncalled for and is detrimental to the Community, these Forums and the game itself. Fortunately there's a 'Report' option and after submitting a few of those, there's another option called 'Petition'.
Citizens of Missions and Complexes!
Never fear!
DMC, the White Knight of Gotham is here!
He shall save us all from ourselves!
Yay.
ps: your little elitist "IM SO MATURE, YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN" attitude is a bad joke; a little anarchy and foolishness is good for humility...you know that thing that prevents you from being a pretentious douche?
also, while its all fun and games, I actually didn't start the personal attacks. I believe I was likened to a....lets see... cocky little tw@t that gets an e-peen hardon
hurp durp, thats not playing nice now is it? |
Kaptain Kruncher
Gemini Technologies Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:49:00 -
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DMC is still mad because he was the last pilot to discover that you could bypass certain gates in certain missions. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:05:00 -
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Personally I'm all for the change, the Drones need a alloy drop nerf.
I'd like to see them drop something else instead, maybe like the sleeper databanks that can be sold to NPC's or something along those lines
Yes it'll drive mineral prices up but at the same time it'd be a much needed boost to the mining community, I for one would dust off the old mining character of mine if the mineral prices increased. |
Moloney
Doobie Den
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:15:00 -
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Is this an attempt to put miners back into the game?
As the quantity of minerals available from these sites decrease and the Time it takes to harvest the minerals goes up, there is going to be a short fall in the market for minerals.
With or without bots the hole will still exist.
Throw in the insturance removal to CONCORD deaths...
... Hulkageddon is goingt o cost a lot more :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:38:00 -
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Kaptain Kruncher wrote:DMC is still mad because he was the last pilot to discover that you could bypass certain gates in certain missions.
Kaptain Kruncher, sorry to inform you but I'm not mad about that gate exploit.
Even though Emperor Salazar's posted reply is comical, it's still a personal attack delivered with mocking sarcasm intended to berate, annoy and insult, otherwise known as trolling.
The 'ps' is actually an attempt to refocus attention onto me, otherwise known as 'Argumentum ad hominem : an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.'
Anyway, saying 'it's all fun and games' doesn't negate the 'Rules'.
As for who first started the personal attacks, anyone reading this thread can see it started with this posted reply.
Emperor Salazar wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Vipieris is correct.
Well if the mighty DMC says so, then obviously this is the case.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:50:00 -
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You are butthurt because I called you mighty? In what world is that a personal attack? I was commending your prowess.
But really, on a scale of 1 to copious amounts of vagisil, how butt hurt are you?
You're one of those guys that comes to a complete stop at a stop sign, waits 3 seconds, and slowly starts driving away again when its clear aren't you?
PS: I find it rather flattering that you are willing to put so much effort into defending the citizens of Missions and Complexes from all the trolls and meanies. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:55:00 -
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DMC I await your elaborate and self-righteous reply. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:27:00 -
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Fredrick Engly wrote:Doing a complete horde site and salvaging now yields around 350 Plush, previously it was 800ish.
Well done on the stealth nerf CCP
800 x 20,000 isk = 16 mil in plush alone for 1 site with a smarbombing battleship or carrier could run in 10 minuts max.
ether way 16mil x 6= 96 mil 16 mil x 4 = 64 mil
not bad per hour from plush only, i guess all we hear now are crying carebears and it did deserved a nerf..... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
38
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:50:00 -
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Cur wrote: TLDR: Mining the "old fashioned way" is as boring as ****, so is doing drone hordes but when compared to mining its an absolute shitload more tolerable. CCP's approach by nurfing the hordes to force people to go back to mining in a hulk to get the same mineral retruns is the equivilant of CCP cooking up porrige, telling everyone they put in the chef's own, fresh "special sauce with a side of assahirs" then shoving it down their throats regardless of their begs/cries to opt-out.
Im looking forward to the 20m wasted sp in industry and spaceship cmmand to be reimbursed. Or the 40msp on 4 toons total with i dont use now CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
mickydees
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:21:00 -
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so can we get a dev to maybe post if they are looking into it or is it staying the way it is for now. |
Vipieris
Blackwater Syndicate Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.12.02 21:03:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You are butthurt because I called you mighty? In what world is that a personal attack? I was commending your prowess.
But really, on a scale of 1 to copious amounts of vagisil, how butt hurt are you?
You're one of those guys that comes to a complete stop at a stop sign, waits 3 seconds, and slowly starts driving away again when its clear aren't you?
PS: I find it rather flattering that you are willing to put so much effort into defending the citizens of Missions and Complexes from all the trolls and meanies.
Wow bro - you really have a frightening infactuation with "butts". I wonder if you're a big Justin Bieber fan...
No no - I'm not asking, so don't tell...
Your language, attitude, and personality is disgusting, but I know your type: "I talk big on the internet 'cause I'm safe there."
The bottom line is, your comments are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and quite possibly the reason that CCP has seemingly ignored this thread. EVE (and I'll wager a guess humanity as a whole) would be better off if you just disappeared.
But go on ahead calling others "self-righteous" - I need fodder for a children's book I'm writing about pots accusing kettles... |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
16
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Posted - 2011.12.02 21:18:00 -
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My, my, my, sure is a lot of E-Peen swinging in here.
I may be mistaken, but I thought there were some Dev posts where they specifically stated that they had never intended the Drones to turn into such a huge mineral faucet. They wanted mining to be the prime generator, so this seems like a pretty straight-forward way to re-balance.
That said, the Drone Region addition has never made any sense to me, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we are simply dealing with the actions of two seperate factions within CCP.
I personally would rather see the drones drop unique material that is useful in its own right, but not reprocessable into normal minerals. Hell, maybe even have them drop moon goo, that'd be entertaining. |
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