Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes.
Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.

And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.

Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.

Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes.
Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.

And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.

Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.

Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes.
Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.

And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.

Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.

Some regions arent as good as others?

Well I never

That's not the point. Its about your space that you have worked hard building an outpost and upgrading getting nerf'd out from under you on the whim of the Devs. Yes, people will gravitate to the new better space, but it sucks for those on the receiving end of the nerf. And before anyone spouts off about Russian bots its not about that either. Its a nerf to at the keyboard players who run the sites.

Great expansion CCP, but this one thing sours the hole thing for those of us in drone. Especially as you give the other anoms a boost.

Why do I still feel astounded when CCP make a changes without investigating the consequences of their actions. Why don't they get a dev to join a DR corp for a week and actually understand how the anoms work and what's wrong with them.

Is it possible that they did investigate, and found that drones are making miners unneeded? I know this is a nerf to drone shooters, but it should be a much needed buff to miners.

One man's nerf is another man's buff. This is a good thing for the mining profession.

I wonder why I didn't see drone region guys crying for the poor miners who were getting screwed by them before today........

Sheesh, why bother posting? How do you think people in the drone regions should make money then? Just salvaging? Are you absolutely stupid? People in every other region generate more ISK doing anomolies that in drone space, drone anomolies get nerfed and you just say it a good thing for the mining profession.

There is absoltely no reason to reside the the drone regions as it is. Did you know that the drone regions amount to 20% of all nullsec regions? They have the 2nd largest number of sov systems for a faction, yet you think the nerf they're having is fine. LOL, how about you get a clue about the ramifications of what you're saying before you post.

Sheesh, why bother posting? How do you think people in the drone regions should make money then? Just salvaging? Are you absolutely stupid? People in every other region generate more ISK doing anomolies that in drone space, drone anomolies get nerfed and you just say it a good thing for the mining profession.

There is absoltely no reason to reside the the drone regions as it is. Did you know that the drone regions amount to 20% of all nullsec regions? They have the 2nd largest number of sov systems for a faction, yet you think the nerf they're having is fine. LOL, how about you get a clue about the ramifications of what you're saying before you post.

Sheesh, why bother posting? How do you think people in the drone regions should make money then? Just salvaging? Are you absolutely stupid? People in every other region generate more ISK doing anomolies that in drone space, drone anomolies get nerfed and you just say it a good thing for the mining profession.

There is absoltely no reason to reside the the drone regions as it is. Did you know that the drone regions amount to 20% of all nullsec regions? They have the 2nd largest number of sov systems for a faction, yet you think the nerf they're having is fine. LOL, how about you get a clue about the ramifications of what you're saying before you post.

That's not the point. Its about your space that you have worked hard building an outpost and upgrading getting nerf'd out from under you on the whim of the Devs. Yes, people will gravitate to the new better space, but it sucks for those on the receiving end of the nerf. And before anyone spouts off about Russian bots its not about that either. Its a nerf to at the keyboard players who run the sites.

Great expansion CCP, but this one thing sours the hole thing for those of us in drone. Especially as you give the other anoms a boost.

Im sorry, was afk and missed the tears, could you do it again please?

The truth is, people in the drone regions have been getting away with murder for years with those 10-15 minute hordes, to the detriment of miners who should be the primary source of minerals in the game. What you are doing is the same kind of crying the mission runners did when ccp turned off the unholy mineral faucet in lvl 4 missions (which also hurt the mining profession).

. CCP has known it was a problem for a long time and they are finally fixing it. Sorry your gravy train came to an end, but such is eve. You can always take up mining, or move to a real region lol.

So your argument is that you have a personal attachment to the space because of the time and effort you have invested in it? Should CCP intervene if someone decides to attempt to take your space from you in game?

If you want better space, go take it.

So you're saying that drones shouldn't drop alloys and also that drones shouldn't have bounties or any other means of ISK revenue? I just want to clarify exactly what you mean.

So you're saying that drones shouldn't drop alloys and also that drones shouldn't have bounties or any other means of ISK revenue?

Did I say anything about bounties?

I have no problem with people shooting drones to somehow generate isk, although I personally prefer my NPCs be of the pirate persuasion (Death To Guristas and all that).

The problem was they WAY they generated isk (not for me, but for miners, and by extension, for the rest of the game). CCP seems to be trying to fix that, and that's fine with me.

Actually, I think drones should drop alloys. Minerals should come from ore only. Drones should drop tags like Sleepers do that need to be resold in empire (this is actually a buff IMO, as it means less trucking around alloys).

I also think all regular rats (non commander/officer) should only result in metal scraps for salvage. Salvage should solely come from mag sites (yay buff to mag sites).

What would drone alloys be used for?

Fair enough that sleeper tags have to be sold in empire, but I think the ability to sell drone tags should be in any station/outpost. Getting things in and out of nullsec (especially if you're a long way out) can be a royal pain in the arse.

If something has been changed to make hoards worse then I would say the complaint is legit, though it has not been explained exactly what has changed.

For one, if the stuff comes in waves, is that a change? If the drones target everything in mission area, then hold back the noctois.

If you are multiboxing wait for the area to be cleared before puting in notis, while that char is salvaging the stuff in the thousands of M3 your other char can clear a new site

if not multiboxing, well you have to clear the area anyway before reshiping, no salvaging is not safe in industirals with any rats present.

If you are using a maurader does a all in one ship work, or do the presence of rats now prevent tractoring and cycling the salvager.


If whatever change is a problem, clearly state how it is a problem.

Actually, I think drones should drop alloys. Minerals should come from ore only. Drones should drop tags like Sleepers do that need to be resold in empire (this is actually a buff IMO, as it means less trucking around alloys).

I also think all regular rats (non commander/officer) should only result in metal scraps for salvage. Salvage should solely come from mag sites (yay buff to mag sites).

So your argument is that you have a personal attachment to the space because of the time and effort you have invested in it? Should CCP intervene if someone decides to attempt to take your space from you in game?

If you want better space, go take it.

Hell no, CCP should not intervene if someone wants the space and attacks. That's kind of the point of the game. In this case CCP is coming in and devaluing the space. There are no reinforcement timers for that bullsh*t.