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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Redux
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:53:22 -
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Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ?
here's the thing, by making you use gates you have more ships in space traveling, having more ships in space means having more opportunity for said ships to get pipe bombed, more pipe bombings mean more videos of ships getting piped bombed, which means I get to stay entertained at work.
Working as intended.
edit: also your tears? delicious!
/thread end. |
Iain Cariaba
772
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:12:21 -
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Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ?
One jump isn't much fatigue, even the second jump back once the jump timer expires isn't too bad. Note that you can jump from a central location to pretty much anywhere in a region in two jumps, allowing you to get your giant epeen out where attackers can see it swinging. It's when you try to jump beyond this that you start to really suffer from the jump changes. Again, this is the intended effect of the jump changes.
You're correct that this is a game played for fun. If you no longer have fun, there's a button on the account management page labelled 'unsubscribe.' Maybe you should use it.
Lastly, your unwillingness, which is all this boils down to, to use your unnecessary ego booster is not a problem for CCP to fix. In fact, your entire complaint is based on your issue with CCP's efforts to fix the problem that is supercapitals.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6486
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:19:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ? Just use the gates, I can get a damn phoenix to warp fast enough for a tengu fleet.
Yes, it's a big tengu.
I might also call my Erebus* "Big Dominix", but it can't use drones so :(
*I do not currently own an Erebus
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
241
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:23:55 -
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Id Tamta wrote:
It's not good for eve to force people to jump over 20 systems in EMPTY nullsec to defend some structre in the same region, and please DD some carriers in your titan in hostile space.
This was exactly the whole point of the change
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Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:35:25 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ? One jump isn't much fatigue, even the second jump back once the jump timer expires isn't too bad. Note that you can jump from a central location to pretty much anywhere in a region in two jumps, allowing you to get your giant epeen out where attackers can see it swinging. It's when you try to jump beyond this that you start to really suffer from the jump changes. Again, this is the intended effect of the jump changes. You're correct that this is a game played for fun. If you no longer have fun, there's a button on the account management page labelled 'unsubscribe.' Maybe you should use it. Lastly, your unwillingness, which is all this boils down to, to use your unnecessary ego booster is not a problem for CCP to fix. In fact, your entire complaint is based on your issue with CCP's efforts to fix the problem that is supercapitals.
Well this forums are for ideas if you cant deal with mine why bother reading it ? Dont read it. And please dont comment on random ppls ego based on some forum post.. But you make me laugh so ... Please go on.
And i think timer is way too much.. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
6820
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:43:47 -
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Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ?
Less travel time = Power Projection
You cannot separate the two.
If you want to jump around less... live closer to your enemies.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Esmanpir
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:04:05 -
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Id Tamta wrote:[quote=Iain Cariaba][quote=Id Tamta]
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WHY CCP WHY I HAVE TO JUMP 20 JUMPS IN A REGION I CONTROLED .
Titan jump fatique should be removed for in region jumps
I understand your point but must respectfully disagree. The whole idea of limiting power projection is to limit it across the map, both offensively and defensively, not just in areas you don't control (Offensive).
Fatigue isn't based on what space you own, only the distance traveled. That makes sense from a scientific point of view.
Whether they've gone too far or not far enough on limiting the ability to project power is up for debate with most people siding on how it affects them.
However, I do understand your frustration, it does mean you'll have to come up with new ideas to meet the threat, or risk losing space because it's now too big for you to defend.
Fly safe! |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
186
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:19:45 -
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The thread is cancer. No titans do not need any further of a buff. |
Sigras
Conglomo
990
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:41:12 -
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Id Tamta wrote:baltec1 wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Hello this is a internet space ship game WHICH u play for fun ? So less travel time more fight time what is wrong with this ? The part where we dump a boot fleet on everything anywhere in the galaxy. So what i want to say is POWER PROJECTION is BAD we should stop that, but more travel times reduces the joy of game, so they should fix that for one jump INSIDE the region ?
Here's a great idea... Instead of living 3 regions away from your enemy because you're risk averse and dont want to lose anything, how about you fight the people who are right around you?
It's a brand new world; one where you cant have both safety and quick access to constant combat, and that's the way uh huh, uh huh I like it.
You want combat? go live near it!
You want safety? dont complain about travel times
You want both? go play WoW |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2973
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:49:34 -
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I removed a reply to an edited out part of the post it quoted.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2606
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:02:42 -
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Death to all supers, best thing that could be done with them.
Plus Likes for ISD Ezwal too many of his posts end with "Thread Locked" and he doesn't get the likes he deserves. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
619
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Posted - 2014.12.19 00:47:51 -
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I like this thread. If CCP had doubts they know now the patch is working perfectly. 
CSM Ten movement for change.
EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims.
Status: Rabid carebear
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Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 01:23:21 -
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Thats another perpective :) But i still think titans need some role in this game. |
killerkeano
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
21
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Posted - 2014.12.19 02:26:02 -
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just sold mine, good ridance
unless game mechanics change ill never have one again, fishing is no longer an option....
FACT
only time it will get used is in a 12 hour tidi fest like b-r
no thanks |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
839
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Posted - 2014.12.19 03:38:52 -
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Id Tamta wrote: please dont explain to me why titans are not solo ship. Which i think ridiciolus
Actually I saw a solo titan in action last week. I was fighting some people on a station undock and they brought out a triage carrier. Some random 3rd party Ragnarok warped in from a POS, doomsday'd the carrier and warped off again. Solo titans are a thing.
Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul
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Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:23:10 -
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I think titans could get some buff for solo purposes.
This is daily bump :) |
Kendarr
Zebra Corp
The Bastion
40
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:44:42 -
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I think titans needs a role rebalance. But that being sed so much has to happen before hand.
There is always light at the end of the tunnel.
Zebra-Corp
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
Chelonaphobia
723
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:49:47 -
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Please help me. I bought this gold brick. I had no idea it was soooo heavy. Oh, and it has a scratch on it. Could someone please buff that out for me?? |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
825
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:30:59 -
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La Nariz wrote:The best buff for Titans would be deleting them all.
This. |
Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:35:55 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Please help me. I bought this gold brick. I had no idea it was soooo heavy. Oh, and it has a scratch on it. Could someone please buff that out for me??
Thats what i want, thank you :) |
MrBowers
PH0ENIX COMPANY HOLDINGS
Phoenix Company Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:17:29 -
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Titans should be anti ship role with out laying the DPS but support role on grid.
-> Allow it to slow ships movements
--> Allow it to kill fleet bonus
---> Allow it to give temp only grid bonus
etc etc |
Niskin
League of the Lost
168
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Posted - 2014.12.19 23:24:23 -
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MrBowers wrote:Titans should be anti ship role with out laying the DPS but support role on grid.
--> Allow it to kill fleet bonus
---> Allow it to give temp only grid bonus
+1
It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
216
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Posted - 2014.12.19 23:57:43 -
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I support buffing solo titans only so that idiots will start flying them solo. |
Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned
Ace of Spades.
174
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Posted - 2014.12.20 04:32:17 -
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Id Tamta wrote:Now you say you think titans need some love and my arguments are not strong enough. So make my arguments stronger please, And moving a titan through a gate ? I dont think its a good idea :) I will never move my titan through the gates SOLO, with a single sabre can hunt me, move a titan to subcap fleet for boost ? I dont think so.
Btw i dont get why subcap fleets gets jump fatique from titan briges or jump bridges its was a comfort less jumping more fighting. Now its all jumping through gates go to target and come back without a fight. The result is :
%80 travel time
%20 fight time.
Why CCP why i have to jump with 200 ppl with the T-¦D-¦ through 20 jumps ? For a fight ? Titan and jumpbridges fatique needs to removed or retouched.
Because the 0,0 is getting more and more and more boring, more and more and more T-¦D-¦.
The reason they implemented jump fatigue is to try to fracture the super alliances and promote smaller scaled fights. This has several benefits, serverload (most of ccp's money goes into updateing the servers to be able to support the increasing amount of big fights) and allowing smaller entities to actually make a difference.
A few years ago you had multiple alliances, and power blocks in war against eachother, nowadays it seems like theres only 2 blocks. Yes block compostition keeps shifting, but its 2 groups more groups is more diversity, more diversity is good.
In my opinion there should be even more restrictions to power projection, eg double fatigue timer if jumping into hostile space, or allowing only an x amount of (super)capitals to jump trough a gate per minute. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6490
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Posted - 2014.12.20 04:48:43 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Please help me. I bought this gold brick. I had no idea it was soooo heavy. Oh, and it has a scratch on it. Could someone please buff that out for me??
An Avatar, huh....
Is that the fashion nowadays?
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.21 11:35:34 -
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Debuffing titans or sc's will not fix the nullsec problem, as you can see it did not fix it. That only killed the big fleet battles, great move. Aside from the trolling answers, which i enjoy too much keep them comming, my argument is titan bridges are luxury for players in subcaps, it should be easier for any eve player to reach PvP. Less travel time more combat time. Killing the joy of game is not going to help anything. Adding a timer script for jumping is an easy solution but there are some problems with that and they should fix that.
FC's in alliances are trying to keep the fleet time under two hours, thats the problem of this game most players dont have 2 hours for fleets, even if they do, they have to spend this time on right click jump right click jump. This game could be much more fun. And it should be.
Do you want to kill a titan ? Sorry but u will not find any solo titan ? Because it can not kill any subcaps. You can only kill a titan if it's traveling to somewhere stupidly. So it should be much harder to tackle and engage a titan or sc. So people can use them more confidently and more stupidly so you guys can actually catch and get fancy loot or a nice kill. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2090
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Posted - 2014.12.21 20:37:18 -
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Id Tamta wrote:Now its all jumping through gates go to target and come back without a fight. The result is :
%80 travel time
%20 fight time.
Why CCP why i have to jump with 200 ppl with the T-¦D-¦ through 20 jumps ? For a fight ? Titan and jumpbridges fatique needs to removed or retouched.
Because the 0,0 is getting more and more and more boring, more and more and more T-¦D-¦.
Because the force projection nerf really is what stagnated nullsec and caused so much time dilation.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
476
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Posted - 2014.12.21 21:04:13 -
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read the title and nothing else. you had 4 years of uninterrupted bridging now time for you to be on the back burner.
learn 2 pvp like everybody else.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
731
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Posted - 2014.12.21 21:45:54 -
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Id Tamta wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Id Tamta wrote:Well my main point is titans are useless now, they should gain more role in game !
Titan bridges should cost less jump fatique, or none.
This is my point is it so hard to understand ? So your giant epeen isn't so spectacular anymore? Buy/train a sitter, if you don't already have one, log off the titan, and try actually contributing to the game. What you are experiencing is the Phoebe jump changes working as intended. Adapt, or unsub. Thanks for the advice random guy in internet spaceships :) And i own a titan for like 4 years i know how to use it . Please read the OTHER POST we are at : WHY CCP WHY I HAVE TO JUMP 20 JUMPS IN A REGION I CONTROLED . Titan jump fatique should be removed for in region jumps
Yes, but in region jumping negates the point of the fatigue nerfs in the first place...
What good is adding fatigue if you can jump from one side of the region to the other, use the gate into the new region, then jump to the other side of that region?
You're literally doing nothing but adding a speed bump...
The point of the jump and bridge changes is to shorten force projection capability.
As the system was, major alliances/coalitions were able to take control and maintain mass amounts of systems.
"What's that? Someone is attacking an outpost in a system 50 jumps away? Well lets just hot drop them, have an afternoon of fun, then we can jump right back here."
How dumb does that sound? Cause that's the way it was.
This the jump changes and all ships having fatigue, this means that you have to dedicate your fleet and/or capitals..
No longer will you be able to just jump back and forth freely.
Before, you sent capitals, and especially supers, where you wanted them at any given time.
Now, they're a strategic element of Eve. You put them where you're most likely going to NEED them, and you bring them to a fight only if you're certain their capabilities will be needed.
However, I do see an unintended downfall to CCP's intended changes.
Key systems that other alliances/coalitions would likely want to take will now become swarming with capital ships, to an insane amount.
With reduced force projection capabilities, this means increased security, thus less risks in null sec. Much less worrying about hot drops and capital blobs... Hell, you're not even gonna have to worry near as much about subcap blobs.
Now that I think about it a bit more, it does seem that CCP took a system that was broken in one way (force projection and capital blobs) and broke it in the opposite direction (reduced competition and increased security.)
While I agree that making changes to Titans isn't the best strategy to alleviate the issue, I do feel that there is an issue that needs to be addressed.
I get the feeling in a year from now that it's going to be impossible to take SOV from anyone, anywhere, anytime; Because there's likely going to be a blob of capitals just parked there just for security reasons.
The only way to break that is going to be jumping in your own capital blob, but since it will likely be a dedicated investment that will leave your Sov unprotected, I don't see anyone wanting to do something like this.....
Basically, it's going to be a case of stalemate...
I honestly can't think of anything to address this issue, and I don't think CCP factored this as a possibility...
Apart from something like the mothership in Starcraft II which can essentially block ships (in this case capitals) forom being able to attack/be attacked with the use of a temporal rift, but I don't know how broken that could end up being....
But again, this is another thing that can be use both offensively and defensively, so I still don't know why anyone would bother taking the risk.
Essentially all CCP has done is make Sov space more secure...
You fix one thing, you get another.....
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Id Tamta
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.22 00:11:15 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:read the title and nothing else. you had 4 years of uninterrupted bridging now time for you to be on the back burner.
learn 2 pvp like everybody else.
Okey |
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