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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:18:00 -
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Hi, I've flown caldari and gallente and minny up to BC but out of all the ships I've flwon I like destoyers the most.
I've decided to train up so I can become the most uber destroyer pilot going... what skills do you think I should train (currently training for tech 2 turrets).
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Wintermoon
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:35:00 -
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Warp drive operation 5 ASAP.
Will take you less warps to get home in your pod. :)
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:42:00 -
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Sensible suggestions please
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Garmon
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Murehk
Hi, I've flown caldari and gallente and minny up to BC but out of all the ships I've flwon I like destoyers the most.
I've decided to train up so I can become the most uber destroyer pilot going... what skills do you think I should train (currently training for tech 2 turrets).
Destroyers sucks tbh
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:47:00 -
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Well, destroyers aren't the best ships around, but you can easily go down the interdictor route. These lil' beasts are nasty in 0.0 pvp.
Apart from this, destroyers are nice for small gang pvp, dirt cheap too, but not very flexible.
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:48:00 -
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Of course you can.
Just train for a flycatcher, the interdictors are the ultimate when it comes to small ships combat and are liked in any gang as well as feared by anything that cant snipe you.
The t1 dests are pretty useless though, might make a decent sniper with some t2 ammo for practically no ISKs.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:50:00 -
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anything that I could do to make destroyers (not interdictors although I am planing to move on to these) suck less in your opinion because I like them.
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Areconus
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:52:00 -
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I would say the only destroyer worth it if u rly wanna spec is probly the cormorant since it can somewhat snipe.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:54:00 -
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If I wanted to sit still and blow stuff up from range I would have stuck with my ferox.
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:55:00 -
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As i said, use t2 ammo and go for longest range with fitting mods and such. Its pretty much the only thing a dest does without getting instantly killed. Even then you should be rdy to warp if anything biger than a frig sees you.
You have a frig hull with a cruiser sig, very unhealthy.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 13:57:00 -
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Well a catalyst with blasters has always done me well for 0.0 ratting so they aren't completely useless. You just need quite alot of guts.
Would an EW/NOS cormarant work for PvP at all?
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 14:00:58
A blaster cormorant in PvP?
I wish you good luck, but remember that anything anti-frig will kill you, anything anti-cruiser will kill you too, and anything anti-bs will kill your before you get into range.
NPCing cant gauge PvP performance at all.
edit: using nos on a corm means having to be in webber range = insta death
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:04:00 -
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I said EW/NOS (I tried a fit which was basically blasters/NOS in highs, AB and ECM in mids, and MAPC in lows) I haven't tried it in PvP yet but do you honestly think this wouldnt even be able to face up to a noob in a cruiser.
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:06:00 -
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Other thing about destroyers: Alphastrike from a gankathrasher with 280mm arty is sweet 
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Andreask14 on 09/09/2006 14:08:49
Any cruiser you will have to face has 3x more HP than you and 2x the firepower plus drones in most cases.
He will have medium nos, ecm and a webber, and all that together if you are unlucky.
I think the chances of winnig with a cormy a pretty low.
but hey, in EvE everything is possible. go ahead and try your luck.
Best part about the dests is that they are cheap as dirt.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:08:00 -
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A T1 destroyer just doesn't have the armor/shield to tank a target for long, nor the speed, agility or sig to "fly under" its damage. At range is the only sensible place for them.
Now the interdictors are another matter... Evil little things. 
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:10:00 -
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Is it viable to solo in an interdictor? Also Ill be able to lock the cruiser before it can lock me so jam it before it can jam me. As long as I can get a largish portion of its cap gone before my ECM fails a cycle wouldn't my guns do enough damage to take it down?
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Murehk
Is it viable to solo in an interdictor? Also Ill be able to lock the cruiser before it can lock me so jam it before it can jam me. As long as I can get a largish portion of its cap gone before my ECM fails a cycle wouldn't my guns do enough damage to take it down?
Relying on a single jammer means that if a cycle doesn't work, you're in deep trouble, a decent cruiser setup will wtfbbq a destroyer anytime. As for nos, you won't suck a cruiser dry in a cycle, and you still have the drones/missiles/projectiles on your back even if your target is capdead!
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:25:00 -
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I was actually thinking of 2, maybe 3 racial jammers and 3 NOS/Neuts depending on how much cap I needed to keep the jammers going.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:55:00 -
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Obviously you want to max out your gunnery skills ASAP.
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Boobies
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 15:07:00 -
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Solo flying a destroyer is a touch suicidal. In a gang, especially a frig gang they are nice.
Cormerants are pretty much the best ones going because of the range they can get... 100km with t2 ammo. Slap around any other frigs real easy. Your best defence is to not get shot at.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.09 15:24:00 -
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I understand ur love for destroyers, but atm CCP isnt giving em much love. But if u do want to go that route i do suggest to be in a gang. They are great for picking off frigs and such but anything bigger will leave u in a pod tbh. As suggested if u like the destroyers head towards the interdictors, they tend to ruin some of the best laid plans in 0.0. As w destroyers i wouldnt use em unless ur in a gang for the same reason. They are made of tinfoil. BTW this may be a lil biased but imo the Sabre > all other dictors.
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2006.09.09 15:59:00 -
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Destroyers are cool, I'd advise a Gank Thrasher 7x280mmII
Generaly destroyers are suicidal, but thier are it's times and they are fun and cheep.
with a bit of lucky volly's of Titanium Sabot can pop Wolf in 4 vollys
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:03:00 -
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May i suggest u see the frap "THrasher Army"? Its one of the funniest things ive ever seen. And yeah The Thrasher w 280mm arti will instapop frigs, and inties will cry cuz a pilot with good skills will also instapop inties as well.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:20:00 -
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sadly CCP cant give the destroyer the needed love or the AF lobby will come out in droves.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Murehk on 09/09/2006 16:32:42
Could you guys just rate this setup quickly, I have yet to try it but I'm wondering how you think it will do against cruisres (probably amarr cruisers)
Highs
4x light ion blasters
3x small NOS
Meds
Ab
7.5km scram
2x Shade ECM, (will change if I want to fight something apart from amarr)
Lows
Magstab
I can do 60dps with this, drain 8 cap/s and have a 80% change to jam someone.
Please feel free to pick it to bits and tell me how rubbish it is, dont be tooo harsh though.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:38:00 -
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Solo, they aren't much to speak of. But in a group of destroyer pilots that know how to fly them, they're very fun
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Murehk
Edited by: Murehk on 09/09/2006 16:36:22
Edited by: Murehk on 09/09/2006 16:32:42
Could you guys just rate this setup quickly, I have yet to try it but I'm wondering how you think it will do against cruisres (probably amarr cruisers)
Highs
4x light ion blasters
3x small NOS
Meds
Ab
7.5km scram
2x White Noise ECM, (will change if I want to fight something apart from amarr)
Lows
Magstab
I can do 60dps with this, drain 8 cap/s and have a 80% change to jam someone.
Please feel free to pick it to bits and tell me how rubbish it is, dont be tooo harsh though.
PS with my current skills I have 0 PG and 0.45 CPU left.
It has no tank... if you go into armor, thats it, its into armor and you cant repair it. Cruisers will rip it to pieces most likely, while your AB'ing up to them from 20km, they'll be locking, then webbing at 10km, and by the time your 2km from them - unless they decide it so - you'll be an egg...
They just are not very good at close combat... or tanking... or dodging... its a shame, because their very cool, but what people have been saying here does come from experiance.
Izo Azlion.
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Murehk
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Murehk on 09/09/2006 17:52:39
Well I figure just fly towards them and as soon as they start to react lok and jam. If I fail my first cycle I'll just warp away but as long I can get that first jam then I should be able to get kinda under the range of their guns and shooting/NOSing them, I didn't put a rep on because I consider it a disposible ship and if I need a rep then it wont do me much good so I figure if I go into armour just dock after the fight.
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.09 18:01:00 -
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Most people who fly destroyers point out that they're crap, can't take damage, etc. And they're right. That's what makes it such an interesting class. The problem with it is that there are too many ships that can do what a destroyer can, but tank better or avoid fire better or something. But there is no ship that can match a destroyer for its specialized role: taking out frigs and inties. I leave out AF here because they count almost as cruisers and unless you get a noob AF pilot you'll probably end up owned.
Of the destroyers, three are useful for special roles: The Cormorant, an excellent long range sniper. Most people don't think that cormorant will hit their inty from 110km but I wish I could see the look on their face when mine does 
The Thrasher is widely regarded as the "best" of the destroyers because you can stuff a bunch of t2 artillery on it and get a ridiculous alphastrike that will blow away most frigates and inties. However, if you do that you'll have virtually no tank.
The Catalyst is great all-around and my personal favorite. It's excellent for shorter-range with rails (don't use blasters, you're not fast enough to) and a bit of faction ammo makes it go a long way. It has a more favorable "destroyer-type" slow layout as you (shouldn't) be fitting an AB or MWD anyway because your mass is very high and you can use the fittings for something better.
The Heretic makes an excellent choice for reprocessing and construction into one of the three above.
You'll need very high skills and some balls to take out a destroyer solo, but it's extremely effective if you choose the right situation to do it in. As was said before, anything not a frigate, interceptor, or another destroyer will rip you a new one. Good luck
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