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Samroski Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance 458	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:06:20 - [1] - Quote Greetings dwellers of S&M! I plan to do some level 4 missions in an attempt to regain my Caldari standings. I can fly most ships, and money is no concern. So which ship is the most fun to do solo level 4 missions in nowadays? By "fun" I mostly mean something that will do missions fast. Vast amounts of firepower, preferably with little micromanagement. Background I've dual boxed level 4s and 5s (when you could get them in high sec) using a variety of ships. For solo missions, I had fun with a Tengu, but this was before the heavy missile nerf. Have no clue about the current scenario. Any colour you like.
ChromeStriker 0ne Percent. Odin's Call 806	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:18:10 - [2] - Quote Fun... use an assault frig Fast.... Mach or Marauder No Worries
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3622	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:57:33 - [3] - Quote Is Mach even that good anymore? I was looking at one in EFT and the damage seemed horrible. Oh god.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2202	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:01:07 - [4] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Is Mach even that good anymore? I was looking at one in EFT and the damage seemed horrible. it's still good. the soft stats like warp speed, agility etc are better than most other ships. it doesn't have the projection that marauders have but hey, nothing wrong with actually flying your ship once in a while. I should buy an Ishtar.
Tsukino Stareine Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 759	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:08:26 - [5] - Quote Fun: anything that's not traditionally suited for it fast: marauder.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 226	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:18:14 - [6] - Quote Shield Enyo
Samroski Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance 458	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:36:40 - [7] - Quote Xylem Viliana wrote: Shield Enyo I looked this up, and it does sound like fun. Will try, though it seems that it may take time, so also looking for something fast. I tried the Mach, and it wasn't special for me. Have also tried a Vargur and a Golem, and like both, though BSes are a bit slow in some missions that require gate to gate travel. Are the Factional BCs any good? Any colour you like.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3627	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:10:54 - [8] - Quote Faction BCs don't have enough PG for large modules and they only get T1 resists, so they're not very good. Maybe a Dual rep BC could run them? Hmm... Oh god.
N00B-SAIB0T Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:14:15 - [9] - Quote Are Tengus still viable for Level 4 missions?
Cpt Tirel NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 112	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:26:44 - [10] - Quote Rail Proteus
Alexstrazaas Perkone Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:38:11 - [11] - Quote RAIL ROKH!
Alexstrazaas Perkone Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:38:58 - [12] - Quote N00B-SAIB0T wrote: Are Tengus still viable for Level 4 missions? yes at least my blaster tengu has no problems with 4's
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 845	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:52:23 - [13] - Quote N00B-SAIB0T wrote: Are Tengus still viable for Level 4 missions? Yes. They just aren't the king of the hill they used to be due to the massive nerf that heavy missiles got a while back. Marauders and Pirate BS's now jointly hold that crown. MWD/HAM Tengu's are a thing now though and the old school HML ones are still used here and there.
Chris Winter Winters Are Coming 578	Posted - 2014.12.22 22:59:48 - [14] - Quote Command ships, maybe?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 807	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:25:56 - [15] - Quote ChromeStriker wrote: Fun... use an assault frig Fast.... Mach or Marauder Assault frigs are among the least fun ships possible for level 4s. their dps is so low you spend so much time just orbiting battleships shooting, and shooting, and shooting, and reloading, and shooting. I'd rather do anything but that. That said AF are great for burner missions. for fun: paladin. pretty much just spend your time pressing f1-f4. with a medium rep it is cap stable, and does 1100 dps out to 70km+ Okay honestly a blockade is like 22m in bounties and takes all of 15-20 mins, and I get kinda bored, after 10 or so minutes. just don't try and shoot angels with it, luckily a mach excels at that. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2364	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:19:19 - [16] - Quote I find ishtars pretty fun for messing around with missions
Novah Soul 103	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:00:07 - [17] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: ChromeStriker wrote: Fun... use an assault frig Fast.... Mach or Marauder Assault frigs are among the least fun ships possible for level 4s. their dps is so low you spend so much time just orbiting battleships shooting, and shooting, and shooting, and reloading, and shooting. I'd rather do anything but that. That said AF are great for burner missions. for fun: paladin. pretty much just spend your time pressing f1-f4. with a medium rep it is cap stable, and does 1100 dps out to 70km+ Okay honestly a blockade is like 22m in bounties and takes all of 15-20 mins, and I get kinda bored, after 10 or so minutes. just don't try and shoot angels with it, luckily a mach excels at that. Oddly enough, I find Guristas a bit more of a pain with a Pally then Angels, though to be fair I tend to hang out in Caldari space and the only angel mission I pull id the occasional Angel Extrav. A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 807	Posted - 2014.12.23 02:44:56 - [18] - Quote Novah Soul wrote: Oddly enough, I find Guristas a bit more of a pain with a Pally then Angels, though to be fair I tend to hang out in Caldari space and the only angel mission I pull id the occasional Angel Extrav. yea probably should have added "or guristas" to that line. However the paladin does quite well vs most of the gurista missions as long as you blitz them and don't try to kill all. it does enough damage it isn't going to change too much more than an extra minute here or there. honestly the next best ship for most of those missions would probably be an ishtar just due to the align and warp speed. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Orlacc 697	Posted - 2014.12.23 02:52:56 - [19] - Quote Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Novah Soul 103	Posted - 2014.12.23 03:18:11 - [20] - Quote Orlacc wrote: Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? True enough. I'm thankful that the smug, "If you're not doing it my way, it's wrong." crowd is a fairly small group in Eve. A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
KnightMaire kings Brutor Tribe 7	Posted - 2014.12.23 03:21:03 - [21] - Quote if thares no gate you can alwese go nyx The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Samroski Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance 459	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:23:05 - [22] - Quote Orlacc wrote: Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? Totally subjective, and thus I attempted to define it in the OP: By "fun" I mostly mean something that will do missions fast. Vast amounts of firepower, preferably with little micromanagement. thus: 1. fast 2. firepower 3. little micromangement Any colour you like.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2204	Posted - 2014.12.23 10:22:25 - [23] - Quote Novah Soul wrote: Orlacc wrote: Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? True enough. I'm thankful that the smug, "If you're not doing it my way, it's wrong." crowd is a fairly small group in Eve. quite the opposite. if your goal was to make the most profit with missions (or any other objectively measurable achievement), you would be surprised at the amount of many know-it-alls coming out of the woodwork. the thing is, most of them have learned to shut the fuck up when it comes to subjective questions like how to have the most fun or which ship is the perrtiest. I should buy an Ishtar.
DankoShepard CutThroat Mining and Manufacturing 5	Posted - 2014.12.23 11:42:50 - [24] - Quote I used to make L4s in a Rattlesnake, got bored and decided to try the Hyperion, always wanted to fly it. Started with Rails and now I have it fitted with blasters and a MWD, it's a lot more fun to make the missions this way, at least for me. Perhaps something like that works for you too.
Silvetica Dian Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1104	Posted - 2014.12.23 12:35:26 - [25] - Quote Samroski wrote: Orlacc wrote: Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? Totally subjective, and thus I attempted to define it in the OP: By "fun" I mostly mean something that will do missions fast. Vast amounts of firepower, preferably with little micromanagement. thus: 1. fast 2. firepower 3. little micromangement rattlesnake. moderate damage type variability. strong tank. 1400+ dps not too hard to get. i normally blap frig/ small stuff with sentries and use missiles on the battleships. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
DankoShepard CutThroat Mining and Manufacturing 5	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:08:22 - [26] - Quote Silvetica Dian wrote: Samroski wrote: Orlacc wrote: Isn't "fun" kind of subjective? Totally subjective, and thus I attempted to define it in the OP: By "fun" I mostly mean something that will do missions fast. Vast amounts of firepower, preferably with little micromanagement. thus: 1. fast 2. firepower 3. little micromangement rattlesnake. moderate damage type variability. strong tank. 1400+ dps not too hard to get. i normally blap frig/ small stuff with sentries and use missiles on the battleships. Yes, that's true but with sentries it gets boring to run the missions, other than that it's a great ship. Can you tell us how do you get 1400+ dps? never got that much in mine...
Torothin TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 254	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:22:00 - [27] - Quote Samroski wrote: Greetings dwellers of S&M! I plan to do some level 4 missions in an attempt to regain my Caldari standings. I can fly most ships, and money is no concern. So which ship is the most fun to do solo level 4 missions in nowadays? By "fun" I mostly mean something that will do missions fast. Vast amounts of firepower, preferably with little micromanagement. Background I've dual boxed level 4s and 5s (when you could get them in high sec) using a variety of ships. For solo missions, I had fun with a Tengu, but this was before the heavy missile nerf. Have no clue about the current scenario. If you can dual box, Sheild Ishtars are probably your best bet. They are a breeze to do missions in and require very little micro management.
Chris Winter Winters Are Coming 579	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:54:38 - [28] - Quote DankoShepard wrote: Yes, that's true but with sentries it gets boring to run the missions, other than that it's a great ship. Can you tell us how do you get 1400+ dps? never got that much in mine... 1400+ DPS rattlesnake is easy enough to get since they changed it. 3 BCS/ 3 DDA in the lows, 5 cruise launcher II with scourge or inferno rage in the highs, your choice of 2x sentry or 2x heavy or 1x gecko drones.
Adam Zalonis Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:26:50 - [29] - Quote My personal favorite right now is a speed tanked Legion with beams. I mapped the new flight controls to the cursor keys, and they make maintaining appropriate range and traversal quite smooth. No reloading and instant ammo type switching are very nice. I've been using two tracking computers scripted for falloff and a single sensor booster. Just to pay it safe, I fit a damage control II and a medium repper II, but I haven't had to use them since I got used to how it flies in level 4 mission rooms.
Grytok KL0NKRIEGER 4	Posted - 2014.12.24 02:51:11 - [30] - Quote For killing stuff fast, the Rattlesnake is probably the best ship, while still having a very decent tank. I've ditched mine and wnt back to an Ishtar tho, as the Ishtar isn't that much slower in killing stuff and you have the high-slots free for two or three salvagers.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1297	Posted - 2014.12.24 02:58:41 - [31] - Quote Many options. Sensible ones: Rattler for raw DPS Any Marauder for easy bastion tanked goodness Mach becasue the time saved with extra warp speed makes up for a lot of DPS ishtar becasue it is awesome and may well get nerfed shortly so may be a last chance to fly a good one Less sensible option: Dual boxing some crazy combo like a VNI plus a bomber
Yaro State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.24 11:07:54 - [32] - Quote I was using a lot of ships for lvl4. In my opinion Machariel is the best. It's fast, agile, insta pops frigs with autocannons from little distance, can pop orbiting cruisers. Does sick damage to BS at it's optimal. And it can hit up to 90k. Also I am having a bit of fun with Gila. Don't like Rattlesnake, because it's toooo slow. Turns like a brick and top speed with afterburner is only around 300 m/s.
Dato Koppla Elite Guards 747	Posted - 2014.12.24 11:11:11 - [33] - Quote Mach is still very good because the warp speed plays a big part in mission efficiency. It does very solid dps (1200 easily) with very good on-grid mobility as well so you never have to waste time with MJD triangles or slowboating to gates. Just slap an MWD on there and just MWD up into a group of rats while popping frigs on the way, then drop sentries once you're 30km or so from a group and murder everything. You can easily use the good speed and MWD to maximize your dps, minimize transversal and get to mission items/gates fast.
Yaro State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.24 12:14:08 - [34] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Mach is still very good because the warp speed plays a big part in mission efficiency. It does very solid dps (1200 easily) with very good on-grid mobility as well so you never have to waste time with MJD triangles or slowboating to gates. Just slap an MWD on there and just MWD up into a group of rats while popping frigs on the way, then drop sentries once you're 30km or so from a group and murder everything. You can easily use the good speed and MWD to maximize your dps, minimize transversal and get to mission items/gates fast. even with deadspace afterburner it goes 600 m/s which is very good for a BS
Christine Peeveepeeski The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 673	Posted - 2014.12.24 12:28:06 - [35] - Quote Torp raven and an mwd KABOOM dat shizzle
Tsukino Stareine Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 760	Posted - 2014.12.24 14:37:38 - [36] - Quote with the new definition of fun from the OP, I will also suggest a rattle. You can burn to gates with a gecko out and MWD on and the damage with sentries and while stationary is incredible.
Shivanthar 163	Posted - 2014.12.24 16:17:08 - [37] - Quote Price/performance efficiency: Myrmidon. I'm using myrmidon for all my l4 missions now since I'm fed with the crap state of bs & marauders. Edit: two-slot armor tank myrm. _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't true.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 840	Posted - 2014.12.25 08:47:00 - [38] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: with the new definition of fun from the OP, I will also suggest a rattle. You can burn to gates with a gecko out and MWD on and the damage with sentries and while stationary is incredible. imo the drone/missile combo is just a headache, the only way I can manage with a rattler is with a mjd, sentries, and some auto-targeting missiles, or as an assist platform. I still stand by my earlier answer of paladin, you get to sit there and poof npcs all day long! I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 95	Posted - 2014.12.25 09:22:19 - [39] - Quote Shield paladin, and I'm not even trolling. Doesnt need a huge tank for lvl 4s and its damage application at range is scary. Its a real out the box ship and people will hate it but i love it New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita 13. is recruiting
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 840	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:18:17 - [40] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Shield paladin, and I'm not even trolling. Doesnt need a huge tank for lvl 4s and its damage application at range is scary. Its a real out the box ship and people will hate it but i love it if the TE nerf didn't happen I'd be all over that... heck it still is probably a decent idea, I just find it works so well with armor I haven't been all that tempted to try the shield version yet. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Tsukino Stareine Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 761	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:21:04 - [41] - Quote Only problem i have with marauders is bastion can leave u sitting there for a while without being able to do anything.
Shivanthar 164	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:53:55 - [42] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Only problem i have with marauders is bastion can leave u sitting there for a while without being able to do anything. And their speed nerf... made me feel like I'm always in the bastion. I hated bastion, I died because of bastion, mourn mourn mourn.... At the end, I didn't like the idea neither. But since it is an implemented mechanic, the only theme for me to train for gallente bc V, thanks for the medium mjd I can now do lvl4 missions with 4 sentries like any other bs hull with much lower signature. The only exception might be dominix or any other drone boat yet to be implemented. Drones... No firing cost, no cargo space, good range, good tracking. Price efficiency 10/10. Time efficiency 8/10. What else could I want? ^.^ _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't true.
Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 95	Posted - 2014.12.25 17:18:49 - [43] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: Shield paladin, and I'm not even trolling. Doesnt need a huge tank for lvl 4s and its damage application at range is scary. Its a real out the box ship and people will hate it but i love it if the TE nerf didn't happen I'd be all over that... heck it still is probably a decent idea, I just find it works so well with armor I haven't been all that tempted to try the shield version yet. You're right about the Te nerf hurting it but when you can fit three of them in the lpws and apply just over 800dps at 91km optimal with scortch it's a beast New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita 13. is recruiting
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 298	Posted - 2014.12.26 03:28:36 - [44] - Quote Most fun? The hardest to survive in. I liked using a faction cruiser for L4's. One had to actually play Eve to complete an L4 in one. There is nothing fun about uber-tanking a billion isk ship to AFK content- all for a few million in payout. Even more fun- a few small ships with friends where you can practice building a fleet around specific fleet roles and take turns being an FC. Nowhere would I define making content trivially easy as 'fun'. Uber tanking and watching TV while rats barely scratch you is hardly gripping entertainment. Grab some friends, work out some fleet doctrine and tactics....see if it works. Spamming F1 for the umpteenth time in a ship costing 1000x the actual payout of a given mission is dull and unoriginal.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 840	Posted - 2014.12.26 06:19:22 - [45] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Only problem i have with marauders is bastion can leave u sitting there for a while without being able to do anything. And their speed nerf... made me feel like I'm always in the bastion. I hated bastion, I died because of bastion, mourn mourn mourn.... At the end, I didn't like the idea neither. But since it is an implemented mechanic, the only theme for me to train for gallente bc V, thanks for the medium mjd I can now do lvl4 missions with 4 sentries like any other bs hull with much lower signature. The only exception might be dominix or any other drone boat yet to be implemented. Drones... No firing cost, no cargo space, good range, good tracking. Price efficiency 10/10. Time efficiency 8/10. What else could I want? ^.^ I mess up my bastion timing sometimes when I'm hammered, rest of the time I usually do fine. plus you are only stuck for a min at most, good excuse for another drink or a **. when you hit 1100+ dps at 72km speed isn't really a priority. plus 900 something m/s is fine for lv4s. and I'd probably just stick with the ishtar and skip the eos, but hey, using sentry drones makes me want to take a nap, they can do their own thing and you don't really have to worry about them much. Also I have no clue why anyone would want drones for a weapon platform in lv4s other than to go afk. they are less entertaining than mining. and also the income is awful using sentries as a main weapon. Utari Onzo wrote:** You're right about the Te nerf hurting it but when you can fit three of them in the lpws and apply just over 800dps at 91km optimal with scortch it's a beast I can do that with tracking comps no problem and fit a sensor booster, although I tend to drop one for a prop mod. having the tracking bonus all the time sounds nice though, and honestly the optimal range is probably enough anyways. and when I plant to shoot at 90km I bring the tachyons. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Shivanthar 164	Posted - 2014.12.26 10:48:14 - [46] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I mess up my bastion timing sometimes when I'm hammered, rest of the time I usually do fine. plus you are only stuck for a min at most, good excuse for another drink or a **. I did that "missing cycle" while playing like maniac under neut pressure between tons of npcs, I know I called it myself but lost the ship anyways :D Chainsaw Plankton wrote: when you hit 1100+ dps at 72km speed isn't really a priority. plus 900 something m/s is fine for lv4s. and I'd probably just stick with the ishtar and skip the eos, but hey, using sentry drones makes me want to take a nap, they can do their own thing and you don't really have to worry about them much. Also I have no clue why anyone would want drones for a weapon platform in lv4s other than to go afk. they are less entertaining than mining. and also the income is awful using sentries as a main weapon. You're right about projection, hence my gameplay is rather like shooting while moving. I liked to watch that manuavering between NPCs, bastion hammered that abit, and while trying to get use to it, I lost the ship. For the drone part, you're correct to the bits, however I can tell that it hurts income a little bit but not that much. Bastion gameplay is not much different than drone gameplay, except ship can take more dps pressure and more looting speed/capacity, which sometimes exceeds in normal hulls. _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't **true.
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