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Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.12.23 07:44:36 - [1] - Quote If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 2876	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:00:24 - [2] - Quote Always thought this was a good idea, too. Players with huge amounts of ISK can manipulate any market. This is fine as long as the effects are in-game, but PLEX prices affect players RL choices to buy PLEX for cash, sub, grind ISK, or just unsub some or all accounts. I never thought that was a good thing... Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Miko Valentine Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 16	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:07:18 - [3] - Quote yeah CCP should Change the Plex . maybe the solution is that you have to Change yourself
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4192	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:09:29 - [4] - Quote ...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK. Bad idea. More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC 1170	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:37:17 - [5] - Quote Stealth PLEX whine thread. Heard it before, so its not allowed to be discussed here. This forum is only for totally new ideas and concepts. Gas thread.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 2876	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:44:22 - [6] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: ...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK. Bad idea. More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change. Why are you so sure about that? If anything, supply would decrease dramatically. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 36	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:04:29 - [7] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: ...then PLEX prices would fall in ISK, with no change to the effort required to earn that ISK in game, meaning more people would turn to illicit RMT as their method of choice for 'buying' ISK. Bad idea. More account hacking would be the #1 effect of this change. It really depends on how low the price would fall.I take it that at one point in time plex prices were only half of the last peak. Are you implying that at that point in time there was more illicit RMT and more acount hacking? I doubt this. I think that there is only a minority who would venture into the field of illicit or even illegal behaviour. And of this minority a fraction would do this regardless of the price. If plexes could only be traded once obviously only those who actually are going to use them will ever buy. This reduced demand will most likely lead to a reduced price. No one knows how much the price would drop.
VaIefar Drekavac Independent Sharpshooters 8	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:10:32 - [8] - Quote So much for player driven economy.
SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 136	Posted - 2014.12.23 09:55:45 - [9] - Quote I thought about that too, but it really wouldn't work. Any thing like that would break the market in one form or another. Increased taxes would just increase price or decrease the $ to Isk ratio which is to the detrement of people buying isk with $ legally. Trading limitations would decrease the market volume if anything, which would drive prices up even more. Wouldn't want to waste your 1 sell per plex on a price too cheap right? In the end the jita plex market just reflects game time value very well. I don't think that has to change. Any change in how that's being valued should come from increasing challenge for ratting or such things. For example I've recently experienced just how ridiculously easy and boring it is to rat with sentries in nullsec. The UI is still bad.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5666	Posted - 2014.12.23 11:31:48 - [10] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be. I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now. If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment. If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.

Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1723	Posted - 2014.12.23 12:39:32 - [11] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Players with huge amounts of ISK can manipulate any market. This is fine as long as the effects are in-game, but PLEX prices PLEX price in RL money is unaffected. Only PLEX value in-game is affected. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Hiasa Kite Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 96	Posted - 2014.12.23 12:51:36 - [12] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be. I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now. If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment. If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity. ISD, you have the Internet's permission to lock the thread now. People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:31:52 - [13] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. I think the biggest failure of the design of EVE Online is that PLEX can be traded unlimited, this makes PLEX has unparalleled speculation value You think prices are too high, therefore you want to change something... something you admit that you have no idea what the repercussions would be. I think the biggest failure of your idea is that you think a random limitation is better than simple supply and demand that we have now. If you think PLEX prices are high, go buy some and sell them on the market. If you think PLEX prices will continue to rise, acquire some and hold them as an investment. If you can't afford either of these options, why are you worried about the price of a Ferrari on a Ford budget? PLEX are a luxury item, not a necessity. If you think 800mil isk is a Ferrari, what will happen while PLEX rise to 8billion. I'm not talking about buying plex or selling plex. I'm worried about if plex keep rising (some businessman have huge amount of isk, what if they do some malicious speculation make the plex to a very high price, for example 8billion) , then economic crisis break out. This is not good signal to this game.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9251	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:39:16 - [14] - Quote Right now a plex costs about 28 million isk per day. If you can't make 28 million isk per day, you should not be using PLEX. So what if someone manipulates plex prices? This is a game, yo shouldn't be plexing more accounts than you could pay for with cash anyway.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 152	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:49:08 - [15] - Quote I agree its a PLEX whine thread. One assumption was bann isboxer and PLEX prices would drop. They did, but they recovered to a certain grade. PLEX as item that can be marketed is the intended idea, the OP idea is the same as removing PLEX complety from EvE. Put something on the market and supply and demand will make the price. It can be manipulated to a certain degree but that would be only be reliable if one had a monopoly on it. One has. CCP! But its not CCP who keeps the prices up. Traders do. Even MMOs like WoW has players who do nothing else then trading. So with a Market like New Eden, what would you think? Eve might be the most interesting MMO-market there is. Stuff is lost for good and can not be restored. Almost every game relevant stuff has to be mined from rocks or moons, researched and build. google for hulkageddon... Those traders laugh their heads of for the hate that miners get for AFK Playing. Thats why i despise this freaking AFK argument of some certain wackos , it overlooks those traders completly. They can do a lot of harm. So, OP, thats a completly stupid idea. Forum Main
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 153	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:57:13 - [16] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: what will happen while PLEX rise to 8billion. I'm not talking about buying plex or selling plex. I'm worried about if plex keep rising (some businessman have huge amount of isk, what if they do some malicious speculation make the plex to a very high price, for example 8billion) , then economic crisis break out. This is not good signal to this game. If they would cost 8bill and ppl would buy them directly from CCP. Seller could not sell for the price. The price would drop. Who would be the victim of those booooohooo crisis? Hm? The people who whould hoard those PLEXes... Well, that would be the people who where interested in those high prices. And since the empire will not have to rescue those bad banks, the playing folks would come out unharmed. Forum Main
handige harrie Hedion University Amarr Empire 283	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:01:43 - [17] - Quote VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. Baddest poster ever
Daemun Khanid Saeculari 42	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:02:25 - [18] - Quote I hate to post in a plex thread but... As someone else mentioned, this would drastically decrease the amount of plex on the market. If supply drops while demand remains constant, price will increase. It's basic supply and demand. It's like saying lets stop drilling for oil to lower the price of gas. I really don't see why on earth a plex thread is even showing up right now. The price has been plummeting the last few weeks all because the market is saturated with plex sell orders. At this point I'd love to see the price going up again. My wallet is getting a little light and I'm certainly not selling low. Daemun of Khanid
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 245	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:13:38 - [19] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. PLEX prices are going down. What is an appropriate price for PLEX? I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:18:03 - [20] - Quote handige harrie wrote: VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation.

Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.12.23 14:29:45 - [21] - Quote Xavier Holtzman wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. PLEX prices are going down. What is an appropriate price for PLEX? i dont know. but believe me, low prices are temporary, PLEX prices will keep rising if ccp don't take fundamental actions. think about: if a new player comes to EVE, he find that everything is on an odd high price, he check out the PLEX, omg it's 8bil, if I don't spend my real money to redeem PLEX, how can I live in this universe? That's what i'm worried. I want this game better, afterall everything will be late when that day comes
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 153	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:13:14 - [22] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: handige harrie wrote: VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation. BS! PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended. Forum Main
Abyss Azizora Temporary Corp 12 130	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:18:49 - [23] - Quote It's a smart choice to change it to only be traded once. While it would in fact cause the price to increase at first, it would quickly cause the price to drop sharply thereafter, as the mega-rich who hoard PLEX to keep their isk immune to inflation, can no longer hoard them. (And even the non-mega-rich, hell even I keep about 20b in PLEX, and that's pocket change compared to the hoarders.) The result is that people who actually "USE" the PLEX will be the ones buying them, and not isk hoarders. Resulting in better supply, and hence lower prices.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 843	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:19:12 - [24] - Quote Yeah let's cripple the eco omy with this change and make thousands of people unhappy, because they can't trade in PLEX anymore. Such a brilliant idea, totally not born out of selfishness. "Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post "This is hilarious. Watch it" post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yugcNW_xI ("Fuck EVE!") -- Sabriz Adoud
Ayx Shewma 0scope Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 77	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:24:45 - [25] - Quote VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. This. We need fewer restrictions, not more. EVE is a libertarian game, not communist.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 153	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:26:29 - [26] - Quote Abyss Azizora wrote: It's a smart choice to change it to only be traded once. While it would in fact cause the price to increase at first, it would quickly cause the price to drop sharply thereafter, as the mega-rich who hoard PLEX to keep their isk immune to inflation, can no longer hoard them. (And even the non-mega-rich, hell even I keep about 20b in PLEX, and that's pocket change compared to the hoarders.) The result is that people who actually "USE" the PLEX will be the ones buying them, and not isk hoarders. Resulting in better supply, and hence lower prices. No, its plain stupid. Whats so hard to understand? Selling and re-selling is the Intention behind Plex. Forum Main
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 245	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:33:56 - [27] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: Xavier Holtzman wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: Clever than CCP If each PLEX could be traded only one time. What would happen next? Maybe it could stop the rising price of PLEX. PLEX prices are going down. What is an appropriate price for PLEX? i dont know. but believe me, low prices are temporary, PLEX prices will keep rising if ccp don't take fundamental actions. think about: if a new player comes to EVE, he find that everything is on an odd high price, he check out the PLEX, omg it's 8bil, if I don't spend my real money to redeem PLEX, how can I live in this universe? That's what i'm worried. I want this game better, afterall everything will be late when that day comes So 817mil and falling is too much? Please answer my question and tell me what an appropriate price would be? Also, you speak about PLEX like its every players god given right to buy, sell, possess and use PLEX. PLEX is nothing more than a luxury item. If you can afford it .. GREAT! If you can't, no big deal. There are bigger and better things in EVE than PLEX and their prices. Also, I don't understand how the price of PLEX makes "everything is on an odd high price." I also don't uderstand what you mean by "if I don't spend my real money to redeem plex, how can I survive?" So, you're trying to tell me that PLEX prices will drive up the price of EVERYTHING ELSE, at which point the new player will convince him/herself that he/she must purchase a PLEX with real money so that they can sell it to get more ISK so that they can purchase items in EVE Online that are ridiculously expensive because PLEX prices are ridiculously expensive? I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:36:46 - [28] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: handige harrie wrote: VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation. BS! PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended. , But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner. But PLEX is created by real money, not redeem from LP or manufactured in stations. It should be controled because it is equal to RMT. The only difference is the seller is CCP itself.
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 245	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:44:02 - [29] - Quote Leia Stellate wrote: La Rynx wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: handige harrie wrote: VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation. BS! PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended. , But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner. But PLEX is created by real money, not redeem from LP or manufactured in stations. It should be controled because it is equal to RMT. The only difference is the seller is CCP itself. So why didn't you say that from the very beginning? Why has it taken you this long to come out and say your reason for wanting PLEX to be only tradable once? Why didn't you say in your OP that PLEX prices should only be tradable once because PLEX is equal to RMT? Oh thats right, because the reason you posted your terrible idea to begin with is because you can't afford to buy PLEX and you think the price should be lower. Not because "it is equal to RMT." edit: by the way, you never answered my question..... How much should a PLEX cost? Let me guess .. they should cost less than the amount of ISK you currently have. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Leia Stellate Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:46:13 - [30] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Leia Stellate wrote: handige harrie wrote: VaIefar Drekavac wrote: So much for player driven economy. ? Plex are still sold and bought by players, this thought experiment would change nothing about that. but that can prevent speculate, let the plex stay in some normal price. because plex is for using, not for speculation. BS! PLEX where created for the market. The use for speculation is expected and intended. , But the more you Post, the more it gets obvious, that you are One of the typical plex-price-is-to-high whiner. No, i don't think the price is too high, but it should be noticed. Im not whiner, I'm telling the truth. have you listened warm boiled frog before? yeah , maybe we are the frog now



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