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sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:54:00 - [1] Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41 The old days... Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling. EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there. So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore. Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now. The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore... I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be... ________ Euphoria Released
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:55:00 - [2] bye then. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Baleorg on 11/09/2006 08:04:59 send stuff & money to me ^^ ...just making sure iam first ;-P --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:56:00 - [4] Originally by: DB Preacher bye then. dbp Im not leaving, and read the post before you reply to it. ________ Euphoria Released
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 07:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Baleorg send stuff & money to me ^^ Read above. ________ Euphoria Released
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:02:00 - [6] Can i have your stuff? .. joke aside i guess your headline and the starting of the post where chosen a bit problematic. I did not even get past the first sentence and already looked at it as one of these pointless goodbye posts noone wants to read.... sorry =/ -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Dekiri Can i have your stuff? .. joke aside i guess your headline and the starting of the post where chosen a bit problematic. I did not even get past the first sentence and already looked at it as one of these pointless goodbye posts noone wants to read.... sorry =/ Im not leaving, sheesh... This is not a goodbye post. ________ Euphoria Released
Souma12	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:16:00 - [8] ok stop whinning and go kill some FIXians already damn it...
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:17:00 - [9] I've only been with the game for a little over a year (yes this is an alt) and have noticed a decline in dev interaction which is definitely disturbing in my mind. When I first started one of the selling points my friend used to get me to take up the game was that the devs actually listen and respond to player concerns, which is getting less and less true as the months roll on. I'm not sure if it is due to increased workload or some change in the CCP management culture, but the devs just don't seem to be as available as they once were. Also the "So long and give me all your stuff" replies seem to have gotten more prevelant, perhaps the whole EVE community has become jaded.
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Azerrad InExile I've only been with the game for a little over a year (yes this is an alt) and have noticed a decline in dev interaction which is definitely disturbing in my mind. When I first started one of the selling points my friend used to get me to take up the game was that the devs actually listen and respond to player concerns, which is getting less and less true as the months roll on. I'm not sure if it is due to increased workload or some change in the CCP management culture, but the devs just don't seem to be as available as they once were. Also the "So long and give me all your stuff" replies seem to have gotten more prevelant, perhaps the whole EVE community has become jaded. Jaded is exactly what i would have said... Thank you for your intelectual reply, it seems quite hard to get them on these forums latley. ________ Euphoria Released
Skarsnik Caldari A.W.M Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:24:00 - [11] Originally by: sidthesexist Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41 The old days... Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling. EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there. So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore. Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now. The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore... I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be... The one big thing that has been missing in the Dev/Player relationship is the Dev chats. Remeber the ones where a few hundred would pile into a room on Coldfronts IRC and have the question takers etc, they used to last an hour and a half and it would be a good table for discussion and wonerment. I used to love being in them and reading the logs afterwards. Made me feel part of it. Dont get me wrong i still feel part of the game, but I also do feel like Sid in that something is missing in the interaction stakes. In light of events and the like, in all my time in-game (Week of Retail release) I've only seen and been able to participate in 1 of the small events (Not the championships etc) that was the one day that kept me in EVE for an awfully long time, it sparked my interest in the polotics and storyline of the game. Those seem to be getting less and less frequent aswell, another part of the interaction process, that has dwindled. Hopefully I'll get a chance at the Fanfest to bring this up in person, but time will tell. ------------------------------------------------- AWMCorp is Recruiting EVE-Ink - An Tattoo Project Based on EVE-Online
Droid 22	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:25:00 - [12] Well i agree in some point there sidt, games has been come more boring almost every time somthin new is releast, And if that BOB muppet DBP would take his autoanswearmacro off maby the devs could actually cover the forums, as almost 70% of all posts are trash from him
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Droid 22 Well i agree in some point there sidt, games has been come more boring almost every time somthin new is releast, And if that BOB muppet DBP would take his autoanswearmacro off maby the devs could actually cover the forums, as almost 70% of all posts are trash from him He should have been banned a long time ago tbh, but hey im sure a nice mail to the mods wont go amiss. Thank you guys for your replies. ________ Euphoria Released
Caztra Tor	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:36:00 - [14] To OP: Good point, something has changed. But in the Good Ole days people were still a bit ****y after patch day as well. Something has changed. I figured it was either the new guys CCP hired to delegate duties to just don't have that same drive. I mean, to the new employees, is Eve really their baby? The new players from other MMO's have resulted in a change in the tenor of our forums. And maybe that is creating a rift in the community between CCP the "company" and CCP w/ the big greasy Nerf bat. If Tomb, Oveur, etc were still posting in the forums, they would address a whine head on . . . Instead of, well, see for yourself . . . I really have to wonder if the Noob Devs have what it takes to handle our new/old community. How bout stepping up and replying to this post.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.11 08:45:00 - [15] To be honest I'm not suprised you see fewer dev responses, mainly because it's the same old topics coming up over and over again that they have already responded to. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:01:00 - [16] Usually the bigger a company gets, the more impersonal it becomes. When CCP was small and had relatively small number of devoted customers, the interaction was much better. But as the business expands, they gotta think less about the individual and more about the group. There's really no good way for large company to have good interaction with individual customers, unless you agree that extreme favoritism is okay. To get what you are looking for, you need to find another small startup company and enjoy them before they make it big.
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:03:00 - [17] To many whines about the same damn thing. i mean how many times can a dev reply to 'lags ruining the game' blah blah blah. Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Wild Rho To be honest I'm not suprised you see fewer dev responses, mainly because it's the same old topics coming up over and over again that they have already responded to. Then they should be a bit creative and do some community management with a post like 'Frequently asked questions - Answered' Its not brain science, its not hard either, its just communication. Additionally, if you are at work and a customer keeps phoning you, you dont just stop answering. ________ Euphoria Released
Quin Tal Expeto Libertas	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:17:00 - [19] Just a short reply from me. Reading the post in it's entirety, hehe, I feel it's simply a matter of priorities (from a business stand point). In the beginning, everyone will be very active with the community. Obviously, since the game is new and they need input from the small number of users that do play. IE, when 10k was a massive record, I remember when we hit 8k, that was huge. Now that it has been a few years, EVE has grown to be the top rated MMO. I personally feel that CCP is just too busy with thousands of petitions, bugs, getting ready for Kali, etc. Yes they have a community manager, but they do have other tasks than browsing the forums all day. In short, EVE has grown beyond what they figured, and are trying to please everyone. Sorry if my post sounds blunt and a bit angry lol, it was not my intention :) Looking forward to your reply, Sid. - QT
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Laythun To many whines about the same damn thing. i mean how many times can a dev reply to 'lags ruining the game' blah blah blah. Then do as was mentioned above... sheesh ________ Euphoria Released
sidthesexist Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Quin Tal Just a short reply from me. Reading the post in it's entirety, hehe, I feel it's simply a matter of priorities (from a business stand point). In the beginning, everyone will be very active with the community. Obviously, since the game is new and they need input from the small number of users that do play. IE, when 10k was a massive record, I remember when we hit 8k, that was huge. Now that it has been a few years, EVE has grown to be the top rated MMO. I personally feel that CCP is just too busy with thousands of petitions, bugs, getting ready for Kali, etc. Yes they have a community manager, but they do have other tasks than browsing the forums all day. In short, EVE has grown beyond what they figured, and are trying to please everyone. Sorry if my post sounds blunt and a bit angry lol, it was not my intention :) Looking forward to your reply, Sid. - QT My reply will be short sweet and simple. You dont alienate the people who put you where you are today, full-stop. ________ Euphoria Released
Caleb Paine adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:23:00 - [22] You forget one thing Sid... YOU have changed as well. Back then everything was new and due to the knowledge you had back then, the ever changing game and things they added to it the game was more of a adventure. You had more (realistic) goals, easier goals. Due to the community being smaller you felt more in control, more important. Now because you've been around your eager for new and exiting stuff can't be saturated anymore. You've seen the whole of what the game can offer and as with most goal the trip GETTING there will be exciting and fun but once you actually MAKE it there it doesn't seem as important anymore. So yes, the game has changed but when you have played a game for a long time your views and expectations change as well, and that's far more deadly than the gamechanges imo. -------------------------------- Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:26:00 - [23] Originally by: sidthesexist Then they should be a bit creative and do some community management with a post like 'Frequently asked questions - Answered' Its not brain science, its not hard either, its just communication. Additionally, if you are at work and a customer keeps phoning you, you dont just stop answering. An FAQ won't stop the posts, people put them up to vent their frustration. Your customer of the phone metaphor would apply to the petition system in Eve, not the forums. It's not their job to post on the forums, it's somthing they do by choice and they could very well be jaded or even simply too busy actually getting on with their jobs to post on the forums. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:36:00 - [24] What ever happened to the omwgrawr dev chats? I liked those.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:37:00 - [25] Some of it is just the inevitable 'boredom' you get from having played something so long. I've been playing since Feb '04 and I usually took a week off every six months. This time I'm probably going to take a lot longer off - maybe a month. But having said that I do think that some of the dev decisions have been questionable recently and server stability/performance has been poor for a little too long now. I am hopeful that stability and performance is more down to the new code than anything else but it remains to be seen. I am hopeful that Kali will revitalise my own interest in the game but we shall see. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Sable Schroedinger Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:39:00 - [26] theres only so much you can take before the fun goes out of it. Not saying the Devs are there, but as you become jaded with the things from a player pov, they can equally become jaded from their side. If every time you pop in to say hi, you get bombarded with whiney idiots, you're eventually going to become tired of it and stop popping around so much. Which fuels whines so that when you do, the whines are worse, which means you come by even less etc etc. Happens in every game I've ever seen. Not saying theres an answer, it seems to be a way of life. However I can identify with them on some level because even I get sick of the forums sometimes cos MMO's seem to attract some of the whiniest (is that really a word?) buggers in the world! Having only played Eve for about 10 months and needing to take a month off the forums every month or 2 already, I can only imagine how they feel after however many years. Yes the community has put them where they are etc. but that can only make up for so much, y'know? -------------------------------------------- Nothing is as cruel as the righteousness of innocents
Sable Schroedinger Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Caleb Paine You forget one thing Sid... YOU have changed as well. Back then everything was new and due to the knowledge you had back then, the ever changing game and things they added to it the game was more of a adventure. You had more (realistic) goals, easier goals. Due to the community being smaller you felt more in control, more important. Now because you've been around your eager for new and exiting stuff can't be saturated anymore. You've seen the whole of what the game can offer and as with most goal the trip GETTING there will be exciting and fun but once you actually MAKE it there it doesn't seem as important anymore. So yes, the game has changed but when you have played a game for a long time your views and expectations change as well, and that's far more deadly than the gamechanges imo. exceptionally good point! -------------------------------------------- Nothing is as cruel as the righteousness of innocents
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:58:00 - [28] I disagree, Sable. I'm getting bored with the game (already let one of my accounts lapse, and this one will be leaving a month after Kali if several key issues are still unresolved, or at least markedly improved) and it isn't because I'm getting jaded. I love to PVP, I still do it. The problem is that the game has changed to make what used to be fun PVP boring. It used to be that when enemies fought in fleets, they did it at gates and stations. Now, if you can even jump your fleet into the enemy, you're met with overwhelming lag, if not queues. After that initial gate fight takes place, almost all later fights occur at POS (supposing someone is trying to claim the space), and fighting at a POS is far too slanted towards the defender, primarily because of lag. And that is just fleets. In small gang warfare, ECM is now dominating everything. Everything with 4 or more midslots has ECM. Plenty of ships with only 3 midslots have ECM. More and more people are using ECM drones. It's just not fun. And that isn't including the problem every PVPer hates - WCS. There are many proposed, simple fixes for WCS, and yet there is no nerf. It's not fun. And now, there are other issues such as the bookmark copying issue. Being able to land on jumprange isn't a perk you get from spending time copying BMs, it's a complete and irreplacable necessity in anything bigger than a ceptor. And now, it takes forever to copy them, and copying BMs 5 at a time for hours upon hours isn't fun. System queues. No need to talk about those. Jita crashing and forcing cluster reboots and/or mass stuck petitions. Most of these things are new. Even the lag issue has been getting worse and worse with each patch since Castor. It's not a result of people getting bored and jaded, it's a resulty of misplaced priorities on the part of CCP. I for one, don't want ship hulks littering fleet battles, adding to already unplayable lag.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.11 09:59:00 - [29] No true sid, take eve tv for example. I think you are just another vet going "boo-ooh give us back the old bugs" because he has played the game so long and getting bored. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.11 10:23:00 - [30] Have you gone yet? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

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