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sidthesexist
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Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41
The old days...
Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling.
EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there.
So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore.
Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now.
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore...
I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:55:00 -
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bye then.
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Baleorg
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Baleorg on 11/09/2006 08:04:59
send stuff & money to me ^^
...just making sure iam first ;-P
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:56:00 -
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 Originally by: DB Preacher
bye then.
dbp
Im not leaving, and read the post before you reply to it.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Baleorg
send stuff & money to me ^^
Read above.
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:02:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
.. joke aside i guess your headline and the starting of the post where chosen a bit problematic.
I did not even get past the first sentence and already looked at it as one of these pointless goodbye posts noone wants to read.... sorry =/
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
Can i have your stuff?
.. joke aside i guess your headline and the starting of the post where chosen a bit problematic.
I did not even get past the first sentence and already looked at it as one of these pointless goodbye posts noone wants to read.... sorry =/
Im not leaving, sheesh... This is not a goodbye post.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:16:00 -
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ok stop whinning and go kill some FIXians already damn it...
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:17:00 -
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I've only been with the game for a little over a year (yes this is an alt) and have noticed a decline in dev interaction which is definitely disturbing in my mind. When I first started one of the selling points my friend used to get me to take up the game was that the devs actually listen and respond to player concerns, which is getting less and less true as the months roll on. I'm not sure if it is due to increased workload or some change in the CCP management culture, but the devs just don't seem to be as available as they once were.
Also the "So long and give me all your stuff" replies seem to have gotten more prevelant, perhaps the whole EVE community has become jaded.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
I've only been with the game for a little over a year (yes this is an alt) and have noticed a decline in dev interaction which is definitely disturbing in my mind. When I first started one of the selling points my friend used to get me to take up the game was that the devs actually listen and respond to player concerns, which is getting less and less true as the months roll on. I'm not sure if it is due to increased workload or some change in the CCP management culture, but the devs just don't seem to be as available as they once were.
Also the "So long and give me all your stuff" replies seem to have gotten more prevelant, perhaps the whole EVE community has become jaded.
Jaded is exactly what i would have said...
Thank you for your intelectual reply, it seems quite hard to get them on these forums latley.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41
The old days...
Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling.
EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there.
So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore.
Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now.
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore...
I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be...
The one big thing that has been missing in the Dev/Player relationship is the Dev chats. Remeber the ones where a few hundred would pile into a room on Coldfronts IRC and have the question takers etc, they used to last an hour and a half and it would be a good table for discussion and wonerment. I used to love being in them and reading the logs afterwards. Made me feel part of it.
Dont get me wrong i still feel part of the game, but I also do feel like Sid in that something is missing in the interaction stakes.
In light of events and the like, in all my time in-game (Week of Retail release) I've only seen and been able to participate in 1 of the small events (Not the championships etc) that was the one day that kept me in EVE for an awfully long time, it sparked my interest in the polotics and storyline of the game. Those seem to be getting less and less frequent aswell, another part of the interaction process, that has dwindled.
Hopefully I'll get a chance at the Fanfest to bring this up in person, but time will tell.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:25:00 -
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Well i agree in some point there sidt, games has been come more boring almost every time somthin new is releast,
And if that BOB muppet DBP would take his autoanswearmacro off maby the devs could actually cover the forums, as almost 70% of all posts are trash from him
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Droid 22
Well i agree in some point there sidt, games has been come more boring almost every time somthin new is releast,
And if that BOB muppet DBP would take his autoanswearmacro off maby the devs could actually cover the forums, as almost 70% of all posts are trash from him
He should have been banned a long time ago tbh, but hey im sure a nice mail to the mods wont go amiss.
Thank you guys for your replies.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:36:00 -
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To OP: Good point, something has changed. But in the Good Ole days people were still a bit ****y after patch day as well.
Something has changed. I figured it was either the new guys CCP hired to delegate duties to just don't have that same drive. I mean, to the new employees, is Eve really their baby?
The new players from other MMO's have resulted in a change in the tenor of our forums. And maybe that is creating a rift in the community between CCP the "company" and CCP w/ the big greasy Nerf bat.
If Tomb, Oveur, etc were still posting in the forums, they would address a whine head on . . . Instead of, well, see for yourself . . .
I really have to wonder if the Noob Devs have what it takes to handle our new/old community. How bout stepping up and replying to this post. 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.09.11 08:45:00 -
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To be honest I'm not suprised you see fewer dev responses, mainly because it's the same old topics coming up over and over again that they have already responded to.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:01:00 -
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Usually the bigger a company gets, the more impersonal it becomes. When CCP was small and had relatively small number of devoted customers, the interaction was much better. But as the business expands, they gotta think less about the individual and more about the group.
There's really no good way for large company to have good interaction with individual customers, unless you agree that extreme favoritism is okay.
To get what you are looking for, you need to find another small startup company and enjoy them before they make it big.
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Laythun
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:03:00 -
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To many whines about the same damn thing.
i mean how many times can a dev reply to 'lags ruining the game' blah blah blah.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
To be honest I'm not suprised you see fewer dev responses, mainly because it's the same old topics coming up over and over again that they have already responded to.
Then they should be a bit creative and do some community management with a post like 'Frequently asked questions - Answered'
Its not brain science, its not hard either, its just communication.
Additionally, if you are at work and a customer keeps phoning you, you dont just stop answering.
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Quin Tal
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:17:00 -
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Just a short reply from me.
Reading the post in it's entirety, hehe, I feel it's simply a matter of priorities (from a business stand point). In the beginning, everyone will be very active with the community. Obviously, since the game is new and they need input from the small number of users that do play. IE, when 10k was a massive record, I remember when we hit 8k, that was huge.
Now that it has been a few years, EVE has grown to be the top rated MMO. I personally feel that CCP is just too busy with thousands of petitions, bugs, getting ready for Kali, etc. Yes they have a community manager, but they do have other tasks than browsing the forums all day.
In short, EVE has grown beyond what they figured, and are trying to please everyone.
Sorry if my post sounds blunt and a bit angry lol, it was not my intention :)
Looking forward to your reply, Sid.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
To many whines about the same damn thing.
i mean how many times can a dev reply to 'lags ruining the game' blah blah blah.
Then do as was mentioned above... sheesh
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Quin Tal
Just a short reply from me.
Reading the post in it's entirety, hehe, I feel it's simply a matter of priorities (from a business stand point). In the beginning, everyone will be very active with the community. Obviously, since the game is new and they need input from the small number of users that do play. IE, when 10k was a massive record, I remember when we hit 8k, that was huge.
Now that it has been a few years, EVE has grown to be the top rated MMO. I personally feel that CCP is just too busy with thousands of petitions, bugs, getting ready for Kali, etc. Yes they have a community manager, but they do have other tasks than browsing the forums all day.
In short, EVE has grown beyond what they figured, and are trying to please everyone.
Sorry if my post sounds blunt and a bit angry lol, it was not my intention :)
Looking forward to your reply, Sid.
- QT
My reply will be short sweet and simple.
You dont alienate the people who put you where you are today, full-stop.
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:23:00 -
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You forget one thing Sid... YOU have changed as well. Back then everything was new and due to the knowledge you had back then, the ever changing game and things they added to it the game was more of a adventure. You had more (realistic) goals, easier goals. Due to the community being smaller you felt more in control, more important. Now because you've been around your eager for new and exiting stuff can't be saturated anymore. You've seen the whole of what the game can offer and as with most goal the trip GETTING there will be exciting and fun but once you actually MAKE it there it doesn't seem as important anymore.
So yes, the game has changed but when you have played a game for a long time your views and expectations change as well, and that's far more deadly than the gamechanges imo.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
Then they should be a bit creative and do some community management with a post like 'Frequently asked questions - Answered'
Its not brain science, its not hard either, its just communication.
Additionally, if you are at work and a customer keeps phoning you, you dont just stop answering.
An FAQ won't stop the posts, people put them up to vent their frustration.
Your customer of the phone metaphor would apply to the petition system in Eve, not the forums.
It's not their job to post on the forums, it's somthing they do by choice and they could very well be jaded or even simply too busy actually getting on with their jobs to post on the forums.
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:36:00 -
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What ever happened to the omwgrawr dev chats? I liked those.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:37:00 -
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Some of it is just the inevitable 'boredom' you get from having played something so long. I've been playing since Feb '04 and I usually took a week off every six months. This time I'm probably going to take a lot longer off - maybe a month.
But having said that I do think that some of the dev decisions have been questionable recently and server stability/performance has been poor for a little too long now.
I am hopeful that stability and performance is more down to the new code than anything else but it remains to be seen. I am hopeful that Kali will revitalise my own interest in the game but we shall see.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:39:00 -
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theres only so much you can take before the fun goes out of it. Not saying the Devs are there, but as you become jaded with the things from a player pov, they can equally become jaded from their side. If every time you pop in to say hi, you get bombarded with whiney idiots, you're eventually going to become tired of it and stop popping around so much. Which fuels whines so that when you do, the whines are worse, which means you come by even less etc etc.
Happens in every game I've ever seen. Not saying theres an answer, it seems to be a way of life. However I can identify with them on some level because even I get sick of the forums sometimes cos MMO's seem to attract some of the whiniest (is that really a word?) buggers in the world! Having only played Eve for about 10 months and needing to take a month off the forums every month or 2 already, I can only imagine how they feel after however many years. Yes the community has put them where they are etc. but that can only make up for so much, y'know?
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine
You forget one thing Sid... YOU have changed as well. Back then everything was new and due to the knowledge you had back then, the ever changing game and things they added to it the game was more of a adventure. You had more (realistic) goals, easier goals. Due to the community being smaller you felt more in control, more important. Now because you've been around your eager for new and exiting stuff can't be saturated anymore. You've seen the whole of what the game can offer and as with most goal the trip GETTING there will be exciting and fun but once you actually MAKE it there it doesn't seem as important anymore.
So yes, the game has changed but when you have played a game for a long time your views and expectations change as well, and that's far more deadly than the gamechanges imo.
exceptionally good point!
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:58:00 -
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I disagree, Sable. I'm getting bored with the game (already let one of my accounts lapse, and this one will be leaving a month after Kali if several key issues are still unresolved, or at least markedly improved) and it isn't because I'm getting jaded.
I love to PVP, I still do it. The problem is that the game has changed to make what used to be fun PVP boring. It used to be that when enemies fought in fleets, they did it at gates and stations. Now, if you can even jump your fleet into the enemy, you're met with overwhelming lag, if not queues. After that initial gate fight takes place, almost all later fights occur at POS (supposing someone is trying to claim the space), and fighting at a POS is far too slanted towards the defender, primarily because of lag.
And that is just fleets. In small gang warfare, ECM is now dominating everything. Everything with 4 or more midslots has ECM. Plenty of ships with only 3 midslots have ECM. More and more people are using ECM drones. It's just not fun.
And that isn't including the problem every PVPer hates - WCS. There are many proposed, simple fixes for WCS, and yet there is no nerf. It's not fun.
And now, there are other issues such as the bookmark copying issue. Being able to land on jumprange isn't a perk you get from spending time copying BMs, it's a complete and irreplacable necessity in anything bigger than a ceptor. And now, it takes forever to copy them, and copying BMs 5 at a time for hours upon hours isn't fun.
System queues. No need to talk about those.
Jita crashing and forcing cluster reboots and/or mass stuck petitions.
Most of these things are new. Even the lag issue has been getting worse and worse with each patch since Castor.
It's not a result of people getting bored and jaded, it's a resulty of misplaced priorities on the part of CCP. I for one, don't want ship hulks littering fleet battles, adding to already unplayable lag.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:59:00 -
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No true sid, take eve tv for example.
I think you are just another vet going "boo-ooh give us back the old bugs" because he has played the game so long and getting bored.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 10:23:00 -
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Have you gone yet?
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Posted - 2006.09.11 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Have you gone yet?
dbp
Stop trollig you nub
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:08:00 -
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To be honest, dev - player interaction has probably reduced due to the steady downward spiral of player maturity over time.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
To be honest, dev - player interaction has probably reduced due to the steady downward spiral of player maturity over time.
I agree. I want an age requirement.
and as to the OP, I agree. I have only been playing for coming up on 2 years - but even in that time i have noticed a stark redcuction in community "happiness".
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:27:00 -
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I remember the old days too.
I remember the crappy overview, the even crappier drone control window, the giant icon on the middle of the screen when you activated more than 8 modules on someone, or the way your ship would seem to collect half the galaxy onto itself like a giant space magnet while travelling even just a few jumps...
The only thing I'd bring back from those days is the font.
Of course the game isn't like it used to be, but I imagine we'd all be pretty damn bored with it by now if that was still the case.
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Mr Happ
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41
The old days...
Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling.
EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there.
So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore.
Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now.
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore...
I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be...
No offence here ut why should EVE stay as it is to suit you? I mean, ive been playing since beta on my main and i agree with you 100% but, we have to adapt to new players and new content, you cannot keep the game HOW YOU want it because YOU feel like YOU have been slighted.
My advice, do what i did, get used to it
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:38:00 -
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Sid, I'm sure that by now you'll have figured that what has changed is not the devs, but the players.
The level of immaturity and arrogance in this thread is appaling.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:39:00 -
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I sympathise with the op, but i think your ire is misdirected. I've only been playing for 5 months or so, i'm hoping to be around for a long time yet, but even in those 5 months i've noticed a reduction in Dev interaction. Not surprisingly it has run paralell with the amount of vitriol directed at them.
Eve is a community, a mini society if you will, and like any society it develops. People are always attracted to an idyll, which inevitably results in the destruction of that idyll because human nature will always try to improve things. Unortunately not everyone has the same notion of what that improvmement should be which, as the population grows and a wider variety of impreovment ideas arise, leads to conflict.
As the population continues to grow, the conflicts become more violent until we reach the point we are at now where any Dev post is greeted with scorn and derision by a large proportion of the playerbase. what you miss is a close relationship with the Devs, but you're outnumbered now by whining children, and the environment will no longer support that kind of interaction. Therefore, don't blame the Devs, blame the players. Blame progress, blame the game being so damn good it's attracted all the wrong people. Be patient though, these children will eventually learn that what they seek is not here and the balance will resolve.
Just as a disclaimer, children in this post is a term used to describe the emotional state of the flaming whiners, not reflecting an agist attitude. Maturity has nothing to do with physical age.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:44:00 -
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I've known a few EVE players who've become... well not exactly anti- but more a little jaded and weary. After all the same things come up, over and over.
To be honest, if it stops being fun, then I'd suggest taking a break, and seeing if you want to come back later. Either that or maybe go for an EVE career change.
Personally, I like the amount of dev interaction, although I'll admit the questions/devchats are something I'm missing, the blogs that are coming out at the moment are good.
Perhaps not enough posting on the forums, but it's starting to look like dev post = 'everyone bundles the thread, and starts kicking it'. Which I can well appreciate why a dev might not want to post - getting drawn into the same arguments over and over are just ... not fun at all really.
Personally, I think EVE is changing. And I'm liking the way it's changing. Oh, yes, lag does suck, and always will, but the evolution that's outposts and capital ships I think have gone a long way to making life interesting. POSes I'm less sure about - they can be hard work and annoying, not to mention 'pushing' time limitations. (Re-inforced mode is a two edged sword, which can lead to some inconveniently late nights).
Personally, I think it's still vibrant and good, and ... 18 months I think it is ... down the line, it's still interesting. I know a few corpmates who've taken some time out for a break though. The majority have returned, and found they still love it.
At the end of the day, if it stops being fun, then you don't have to play. I'm not just referring to EVE, as much as the various options for 'subgames' within EVE.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: sidthesexist
Thank you for your intelectual reply, it seems quite hard to get them on these forums latley.
imho, that is why they don't talk to us anymore, trying to have an intelligent conversation on these forums whithout trolls, morons or whinners interjecting is like....well, something pretty damn impossible.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:55:00 -
[40]
Sid
I know exactly where you are coming from 100% on this post and im glad you made it as i feel exactly the same.
Been playing eve for 3 years plus now and lately it just seems that more is going wrong with the servers and ability to play and more so, the community.
Over the years i have seen alot of smack and jive talk but lately (last 6 months or so) the community has gone nuts. Its just full of hate and bile and people trying to be clever. Take certain replies to even this post.... hate and smack.
Im not saying that eve was ever a paradise of love and harmony, but nowadays it just seems to be nothing but the viscious one liners to put others down and not enhance anything cept their ego.
An alarming thing is how many veterans are now in 'stasis' just ticking along skills once a week or even worse selling accounts.... it isnt a good situation really
Anway thanks for the post, glad others feel a little disappointed also in the game, are ccp focussed fully on the Chinesse server? are they in cash crisis as a company employing cheap resource? who knows but there is certainly something missing from game and community.
CEO Pyrex
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:01:00 -
[41]
STFU noobs sidthesexist 4tw
u see now litle people i was telling abaut this long time ago !
Hey i get paid to be ebil  - Xorus
So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:05:00 -
[42]
Human beings can only take so much crap, even from paying customers. The level of rudeness and demand from the community to the developers and mods, has increased with every subscription wave. The old days and old timers, not only had a modicon of respect for CCP People when addressing them, they were also their biggest cheerleaders.
Today, we see players with two weeks under their belt starting threads titled " CCP You Suck!!". It amazes me, even as an American Capatilist Pig, that people feel entitled to be A-Holes towards others because they shell out a few dollars....Frankly, I wouldn't come here either.
These forums used to be self-flushing. I was afraid to post here for my first year and a half, for fear of posting something stupid and being shot down by the [23]. Now, it seems that we're down to the [6] and they just can't keep up with the utter garbage that gets posted anymore and have surrendered to the whining blob of dissatisfied n00bs.
EvE's community, game performance, and player / dev interaction would instantly improve if 10,000 of it's biggest Jita hugging, ignorant, crybabies left the game.
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Hatuk
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:05:00 -
[43]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Have you gone yet?
dbp
who is this DBP ape?
i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:08:00 -
[44]
Originally by: James Lyrus
I've known a few EVE players who've become... well not exactly anti- but more a little jaded and weary. After all the same things come up, over and over.
To be honest, if it stops being fun, then I'd suggest taking a break, and seeing if you want to come back later. Either that or maybe go for an EVE career change.
Personally, I like the amount of dev interaction, although I'll admit the questions/devchats are something I'm missing, the blogs that are coming out at the moment are good.
Perhaps not enough posting on the forums, but it's starting to look like dev post = 'everyone bundles the thread, and starts kicking it'. Which I can well appreciate why a dev might not want to post - getting drawn into the same arguments over and over are just ... not fun at all really.
Personally, I think EVE is changing. And I'm liking the way it's changing. Oh, yes, lag does suck, and always will, but the evolution that's outposts and capital ships I think have gone a long way to making life interesting. POSes I'm less sure about - they can be hard work and annoying, not to mention 'pushing' time limitations. (Re-inforced mode is a two edged sword, which can lead to some inconveniently late nights).
Personally, I think it's still vibrant and good, and ... 18 months I think it is ... down the line, it's still interesting. I know a few corpmates who've taken some time out for a break though. The majority have returned, and found they still love it.
At the end of the day, if it stops being fun, then you don't have to play. I'm not just referring to EVE, as much as the various options for 'subgames' within EVE.
Nice reply. I agree with most of what you say, as I agree with the OP in general. I agree it's still vibrant. I'm beginning to see regular posts on the same subject matter and I'm avoiding them like the plague, as all I know is there will be flames and hatred in them primarily. If I'm doing this then the Devs are more than likely doing the same thing. Do I blame them, not in the slightest.
Perhap sid you might want to take a week out fo just the forums and see how you feel afterwards, rahter than a full break from the game. It could be the attitude of the forums is spilling over into the way your seeing the game and community right now.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:09:00 -
[45]
Too many kids moved over from wowm hence the "Can i have your stuff" and "Nerf x y and Z" posts.
if i were a dev i wudnt be able to reply to half of the posts and these lamers just repeat the same ****e over and over.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:11:00 -
[46]
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bye then.
dbp
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Im not leaving, and read the post before you reply to it.
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Well you should, cause most old time players would email CCP not run to the boards whining.
seriously, you do more harm than good making retarded posts like this.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:25:00 -
[47]
Originally by: sidthesexist
Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore.
If anything, it's the community itself that's killing that banter, not the Devs. The Devs still try, but everytime they try and bring in a joke, or can't offer a complete answer right away, they get savaged for being "umprofessional" or "not taking the problem seriously" etc. Just take a look at the "strip wrangler and eris of gold bars" threads, or the reaction some of Jiekon's posts are getting.
That's probably why we get less details of things like server crashes etc as well. After all, what's the point if all it'll do is get all the ranters going again and require the mods to clean up even more.
I'm not saying that we all need to go around being yes-men to the Devs, but there's a big difference between constructive criticism, and some of the constant rants about anything and everything the Devs do that we see around here these days. Banter is a two-way thing, you can't have banter with people who just stands there hurling abuse. What I find particularly stupid is the tendancy these days where a dev response to one issue is met not with debate on that issue, but with rants about why they didn't also respond to completely different issues that that particular dev may know nothing about.
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DefilerCB
Caldari
Interstellar Laboratory
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:30:00 -
[48]
I started this character like half a year ago. I was in a noob corporation as everyone else start. For the first time in my history of mmo's i saw a gm actually reply to my question ingame - i was amazed. I asked around other ppl and generally much older characters aout how they feel for the game. The most common answer was : the support is great , u get answered to petitions in a matter of minutes , the game never crashes and is very unlikelly for ur client to crash aswell. So i stayed....
After half a year of playing and firing about a dozen of petitions for beeing stuck , for not receiving money back from market , for beeing killed in lag and for various other reasons my conclusion is : the support is not uber good , neither it cares about u. I don't know how the things used to be , bus as they are right now it's exactly the same as it was in wow (which was my previous mmo) :
1. auto replies(if any)
2. insane waiting for a reply
3. mod's rarely read forums and if they do it is just to keep the rulles as of no flaming and sticking to topics.
4. noone cares for u , as u r just a drop in between all the custommers as it saves alot of money just to ignore u rather than having to hire 100 more gm's to keep everyone happy as the constant flow of players makes sure everyone of us is expendable
5. silly changes to the patches without any obvious reason
6. changes that are not listed to "balance the game" etc lighten the trafic and server load
7. The game is becoming what wow is atm : a commercial product for the average moron to spend 4-5 months and move on , as that is what brings in money and that is what their goal is after all. Noone will make the game to amuse u , thay will make it as simple as possible and as profitable as possible , which is completelly normal.
8. The new content is exactly as the old one painted in different "colours" just so they say they update the game.
9. Developers have never played the game and never will as they are hired just to encode something new that came in to the mind of someone who just woke up with the idea rather spending time to read the huge and see what ppl want , as simply the old developers that created the game now are working somewhere else and the new ones are simply clueless(about the game).
That is what i've seen in every mmo i have played so far and it reached a certain amount of players. That's just the way it is.
As i side note this is the only mmo that has some point in it worth playing for and that is controlling and having ur own land , something no other mmo i played has. It has a great lvl of difficulty in pvp which for example in wow consists of pushing 3 buttons over and over. I just hope they don't make it "user-friendly" as much as wow is cuz than instead when u kill someone and u get rid of him for a good amount of time and cause him loses equal to atleast several hours of gameplay , he just returns in 2 mins and kills u simply because it doesn't cost him anything but to walk back to his corpse.
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F4ze
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.09.11 12:44:00 -
[49]
The sole reason for this evolution is the increased player base. Devs can't do the stuff they did back then anymore because the link between CCP and the playerbase has become a tiered one.
I have seen the very same thing happen with the lanparty I help organize: the bigger it gets, the more you estrange a big part of your customers, and it's unavoidable. The hardcore of veteran customers will always be there, but eventually even they will feel left behind because CCP has to divide its attention between so many things and so many people.
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Gibri
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:06:00 -
[50]
Ccp was largely owned by the icelandic telecom company, which was at that time owned by the icelandic goverment, it sold its shares and now ccp is no longer the experiment it once was and is now a full grown profit making machine, ccp is a goldmine for its owners now but they of course want more $$$$$.
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Halet Cu
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:53:00 -
[51]
I just read that CCP accepted a buy out offer from Sony!!!!
Yes, I'm lying but just wanted to place the issue in perspective
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 13:59:00 -
[52]
Originally by: sidthesexist
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Mr Happ
No offence here ut why should EVE stay as it is to suit you?
Did he ever make such a claim? Cant say I got that impression. I think what he means is that something is different, and it is.
Devs can easily ignore all the rubbish ranting on these forums and still communicate with us.
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: sidthesexist
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China.
As far as I'm aware TomB was given a promotion in order to run the serenity project, Oveur has always pretty much been at the helm for a long time. 
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:17:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Death Kill on 11/09/2006 14:19:29
Originally by: Skarsnik
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: sidthesexist
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China.
As far as I'm aware TomB was given a promotion in order to run the serenity project, Oveur has always pretty much been at the helm for a long time.
I have vague memories of reading in E-on about 'cantrememberhisname' that used to run tq moved to Shanghai to run serenity.
Ofcorse I could be wrong, but I swear I read that 'the main man'left for China
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:36:00 -
[56]
Quote:
The level of immaturity and arrogance in this thread is appaling.
Why don't you click on "Last page" to see how mature the boards were back then.
As I said on another thread JUST LIKE THIS ONE MERE DAYS AGO, selective memory FTL. 
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DazWozUK
Caldari
Syntax Error
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:49:00 -
[57]
I used to love reading the mirc dev/player chat logs, they where a superb insight into where eve was going and why, and also a good opportunity to get player related questions answered directly from the horses mouth.
Bring em back CCP we miss u.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:51:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Hatuk
Originally by: DB Preacher
Have you gone yet?
dbp
who is this DBP ape?
i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive
Dont you know? Reikoku is the new ATUK in terms of smack.
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Droid 22
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:55:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Hatuk
Originally by: DB Preacher
Have you gone yet?
dbp
who is this DBP ape?
i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive
LOL that my friend is the Official BOB anouncer.
He¦s at his best trollin and smackin @ everything written here, even tho he''ve no clue what plp are sayin. As I said b4 filter that muppet out then maby these forums would gain the respect as i board of information and ideas rather than as it is today. I surly hope I'll meet him in person @ the fest to see the man behind all that smack
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:07:00 -
[60]
I loved reading the Dev Chats, they were a great source of information. Reading about future development of the game has always been a great inspiration for me. I'd got so excited about the features on the horizon.
But now, there is very little to look forward too. We're given little information about the future of the game. The Dev Blogs are good, but still there is a tiny amount given away in each of them. Otherwise we have to buy news about the games' future in the form of EON.
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:14:00 -
[61]
You must be super jaded if you think the "old days" were better, because they were not. I remember months without a single dev post or patch. I remember horrible balance and FOTM warfare. I remember horrendous lag when we broke the 10,000 users online record.
If theres anything I miss from the old days, its the people and the need for adaptation every few months. But I wouldn't wanna play those builds if you paid me. So my advice to you, Aneu "It hurts to live" Angellus, is to either go away as per DBP's request or find a more constructive way to whine. Preferrably using an alt, cause if I was a dev I would have stopped reading your posts in 2004.
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Glyn Davish
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:16:00 -
[62]
There's in-game events?
Too bad 99.9% of the EVE community has never seen or participated in one. :(
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TylerJames
Team Americas
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 15:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Have you gone yet?
dbp
Does anyone actually think this was humorous or add any value to this thread at all?
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:23:00 -
[64]
As a concept expands, it changes. It's a sign of health.
The fact you (OP) do not agree with some (or many) of the changes, is something you're of course entitled to. But it does not make those changes necessarily bad.
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Taurgil
Balanced Unity
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:47:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Glyn Davish
There's in-game events?
Too bad 99.9% of the EVE community has never seen or participated in one. :(
Sad, but true.
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Ilya Murametz
Caldari
Hybonashi Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:38:00 -
[66]
Originally by: sidthesexist
Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41
The old days...
Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling.
EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there.
So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore.
Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now.
The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley...
Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore...
I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be...
Amen.... you're absolutely 101% correct
P.S.
Ignore all the arsekissers, fanboys(or however the leet way to spell it) and other brighstarts who can't read.
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What lvl can I start PvP ?
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Ilya Murametz
Caldari
Hybonashi Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:43:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
As a concept expands, it changes. It's a sign of health.
The fact you (OP) do not agree with some (or many) of the changes, is something you're of course entitled to. But it does not make those changes necessarily bad.
How are the changes not bad?? Servers are unstable, instead of fixing stuff we already have CCP mentality "oh well we'll just promise them more candy, also known as more of new broken stuff (kali for example)" .. events were nice, but honestly it's been so long i don't it doesn't even cross my mind anymore.
So please tell me ..explain yourself some more.
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What lvl can I start PvP ?
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.11 17:48:00 -
[68]
I hope the devs are too busy trying to fix the Dragon code base to post here..or else have nothing much they can say at this stage. That's what I'd assume based on past history anyway.
Unfortunately I think they have a lot of things they need to do right now and I'm not expecting an immediate fix. I'm optimistic that Eve will back to stability and acceptable performance by the end of the month. If not...um.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:44:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Ilya Murametz
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
As a concept expands, it changes. It's a sign of health.
The fact you (OP) do not agree with some (or many) of the changes, is something you're of course entitled to. But it does not make those changes necessarily bad.
How are the changes not bad?? Servers are unstable, instead of fixing stuff we already have CCP mentality "oh well we'll just promise them more candy, also known as more of new broken stuff (kali for example)" .. events were nice, but honestly it's been so long i don't it doesn't even cross my mind anymore.
So please tell me ..explain yourself some more.
If you're talking about programming bugs, well, of course that's not good. But I was talking about features, and changes in gameplay.
That usually comes with some hitches. But I prefer that, to stagnant gameplay.
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sidthesexist
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.12 10:04:00 -
[70]
I think the biggest thing that needs to be added to this game is a way to kill alliances. An ingame mechanic that would allow alliances to select terms of war and whoever looses gets their alliances disbanded or somthing along those lines.
POS wars are boring at the moment, its just a time-sink to me, sitting at an enemy pos shooting it for an hour, then moving onto the next...
We need more flavour tbh.
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sidthesexist
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.12 10:05:00 -
[71]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You must be super jaded if you think the "old days" were better, because they were not. I remember months without a single dev post or patch. I remember horrible balance and FOTM warfare. I remember horrendous lag when we broke the 10,000 users online record.
If theres anything I miss from the old days, its the people and the need for adaptation every few months. But I wouldn't wanna play those builds if you paid me. So my advice to you, Aneu "It hurts to live" Angellus, is to either go away as per DBP's request or find a more constructive way to whine. Preferrably using an alt, cause if I was a dev I would have stopped reading your posts in 2004.
There were never consecutive months without a dev post DC and you know that, and i cant believe you think things are better now, EvE used to be so much more fun than it is now, pirates could be pirates and PVP actually lasted longer lol.
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