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MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.09.11 10:47:00 - [31] Originally by: DB Preacher Have you gone yet? dbp Stop trollig you nub -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Antodias Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:08:00 - [32] To be honest, dev - player interaction has probably reduced due to the steady downward spiral of player maturity over time.
LaCoHa Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Antodias To be honest, dev - player interaction has probably reduced due to the steady downward spiral of player maturity over time. I agree. I want an age requirement. and as to the OP, I agree. I have only been playing for coming up on 2 years - but even in that time i have noticed a stark redcuction in community "happiness".
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:27:00 - [34] I remember the old days too. I remember the crappy overview, the even crappier drone control window, the giant icon on the middle of the screen when you activated more than 8 modules on someone, or the way your ship would seem to collect half the galaxy onto itself like a giant space magnet while travelling even just a few jumps... The only thing I'd bring back from those days is the font. Of course the game isn't like it used to be, but I imagine we'd all be pretty damn bored with it by now if that was still the case. /Ben
Mr Happ Gallente UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:28:00 - [35] Originally by: sidthesexist Edited by: sidthesexist on 11/09/2006 07:55:41 The old days... Im sure all us vets can rememmber the good ol days of EvE where the structure bar was bugged and you couldnt tell how long you had left to kill a ship, how you only had a frigate or cruiser to fly, how Moo used a stacking bug to blow up stuff with 1 gun... lol and the biggest thing about the old days i rememmber was dev interaction/story telling and community feeling. EvE was the best community game i have ever played and the devs were the best i have ever had the plessure of interacting with. They used to turn up in jovian ships or generally pop up at your safe-spot when you have a huge fleet there. So what has changed? What has been so bad for eve? Is it commercialism? Is it that there are to many people? I honestly dont believe it is. I believe is the influence of the devs, its not there anymore. Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore. Im very dissapointed in the way EvE has gone, its still a great agame and i still play it ofcorse but the stagnance that has been polluting this game is coming in bigger and bigger phases now. The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... Yes i know some people will disagree with me with this post and i fully respect your views but after almost 3yrs of play now eve has finnaly gotten boring. POS wars suck, stagnance is rife, nothing changes anymore... I have very little faith in CCP at the moment and what little i do have is dwindling on a thread... ccp please i beg you, do somthing, and do it fast because im sure i speak for alot of old timers here, EvE isnt what it used to be... No offence here ut why should EVE stay as it is to suit you? I mean, ive been playing since beta on my main and i agree with you 100% but, we have to adapt to new players and new content, you cannot keep the game HOW YOU want it because YOU feel like YOU have been slighted. My advice, do what i did, get used to it Don't Like The Way i Post? Oh Wait Phone 0800 - I Dont Care
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:38:00 - [36] Sid, I'm sure that by now you'll have figured that what has changed is not the devs, but the players. The level of immaturity and arrogance in this thread is appaling. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Darineah Charach Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:39:00 - [37] I sympathise with the op, but i think your ire is misdirected. I've only been playing for 5 months or so, i'm hoping to be around for a long time yet, but even in those 5 months i've noticed a reduction in Dev interaction. Not surprisingly it has run paralell with the amount of vitriol directed at them. Eve is a community, a mini society if you will, and like any society it develops. People are always attracted to an idyll, which inevitably results in the destruction of that idyll because human nature will always try to improve things. Unortunately not everyone has the same notion of what that improvmement should be which, as the population grows and a wider variety of impreovment ideas arise, leads to conflict. As the population continues to grow, the conflicts become more violent until we reach the point we are at now where any Dev post is greeted with scorn and derision by a large proportion of the playerbase. what you miss is a close relationship with the Devs, but you're outnumbered now by whining children, and the environment will no longer support that kind of interaction. Therefore, don't blame the Devs, blame the players. Blame progress, blame the game being so damn good it's attracted all the wrong people. Be patient though, these children will eventually learn that what they seek is not here and the balance will resolve. Just as a disclaimer, children in this post is a term used to describe the emotional state of the flaming whiners, not reflecting an agist attitude. Maturity has nothing to do with physical age. ------- Boxing Kangaroo
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:44:00 - [38] I've known a few EVE players who've become... well not exactly anti- but more a little jaded and weary. After all the same things come up, over and over. To be honest, if it stops being fun, then I'd suggest taking a break, and seeing if you want to come back later. Either that or maybe go for an EVE career change. Personally, I like the amount of dev interaction, although I'll admit the questions/devchats are something I'm missing, the blogs that are coming out at the moment are good. Perhaps not enough posting on the forums, but it's starting to look like dev post = 'everyone bundles the thread, and starts kicking it'. Which I can well appreciate why a dev might not want to post - getting drawn into the same arguments over and over are just ... not fun at all really. Personally, I think EVE is changing. And I'm liking the way it's changing. Oh, yes, lag does suck, and always will, but the evolution that's outposts and capital ships I think have gone a long way to making life interesting. POSes I'm less sure about - they can be hard work and annoying, not to mention 'pushing' time limitations. (Re-inforced mode is a two edged sword, which can lead to some inconveniently late nights). Personally, I think it's still vibrant and good, and ... 18 months I think it is ... down the line, it's still interesting. I know a few corpmates who've taken some time out for a break though. The majority have returned, and found they still love it. At the end of the day, if it stops being fun, then you don't have to play. I'm not just referring to EVE, as much as the various options for 'subgames' within EVE.
Trahern Twrgadarn	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:50:00 - [39] Originally by: sidthesexist Thank you for your intelectual reply, it seems quite hard to get them on these forums latley. imho, that is why they don't talk to us anymore, trying to have an intelligent conversation on these forums whithout trolls, morons or whinners interjecting is like....well, something pretty damn impossible.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:55:00 - [40] Sid I know exactly where you are coming from 100% on this post and im glad you made it as i feel exactly the same. Been playing eve for 3 years plus now and lately it just seems that more is going wrong with the servers and ability to play and more so, the community. Over the years i have seen alot of smack and jive talk but lately (last 6 months or so) the community has gone nuts. Its just full of hate and bile and people trying to be clever. Take certain replies to even this post.... hate and smack. Im not saying that eve was ever a paradise of love and harmony, but nowadays it just seems to be nothing but the viscious one liners to put others down and not enhance anything cept their ego. An alarming thing is how many veterans are now in 'stasis' just ticking along skills once a week or even worse selling accounts.... it isnt a good situation really Anway thanks for the post, glad others feel a little disappointed also in the game, are ccp focussed fully on the Chinesse server? are they in cash crisis as a company employing cheap resource? who knows but there is certainly something missing from game and community. CEO Pyrex (que witty one liner......)
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:01:00 - [41] STFU noobs sidthesexist 4tw u see now litle people i was telling abaut this long time ago ! Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
Andicuri Vas Gallente Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:05:00 - [42] Human beings can only take so much crap, even from paying customers. The level of rudeness and demand from the community to the developers and mods, has increased with every subscription wave. The old days and old timers, not only had a modicon of respect for CCP People when addressing them, they were also their biggest cheerleaders. Today, we see players with two weeks under their belt starting threads titled " CCP You Suck!!". It amazes me, even as an American Capatilist Pig, that people feel entitled to be A-Holes towards others because they shell out a few dollars....Frankly, I wouldn't come here either. These forums used to be self-flushing. I was afraid to post here for my first year and a half, for fear of posting something stupid and being shot down by the [23]. Now, it seems that we're down to the [6] and they just can't keep up with the utter garbage that gets posted anymore and have surrendered to the whining blob of dissatisfied n00bs. EvE's community, game performance, and player / dev interaction would instantly improve if 10,000 of it's biggest Jita hugging, ignorant, crybabies left the game. A V Your e-peen is too large, please read the forum rules before reposting - Tirg
Hatuk	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:05:00 - [43] Originally by: DB Preacher Have you gone yet? dbp who is this DBP ape? i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive
Skarsnik Caldari A.W.M Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:08:00 - [44] Originally by: James Lyrus I've known a few EVE players who've become... well not exactly anti- but more a little jaded and weary. After all the same things come up, over and over. To be honest, if it stops being fun, then I'd suggest taking a break, and seeing if you want to come back later. Either that or maybe go for an EVE career change. Personally, I like the amount of dev interaction, although I'll admit the questions/devchats are something I'm missing, the blogs that are coming out at the moment are good. Perhaps not enough posting on the forums, but it's starting to look like dev post = 'everyone bundles the thread, and starts kicking it'. Which I can well appreciate why a dev might not want to post - getting drawn into the same arguments over and over are just ... not fun at all really. Personally, I think EVE is changing. And I'm liking the way it's changing. Oh, yes, lag does suck, and always will, but the evolution that's outposts and capital ships I think have gone a long way to making life interesting. POSes I'm less sure about - they can be hard work and annoying, not to mention 'pushing' time limitations. (Re-inforced mode is a two edged sword, which can lead to some inconveniently late nights). Personally, I think it's still vibrant and good, and ... 18 months I think it is ... down the line, it's still interesting. I know a few corpmates who've taken some time out for a break though. The majority have returned, and found they still love it. At the end of the day, if it stops being fun, then you don't have to play. I'm not just referring to EVE, as much as the various options for 'subgames' within EVE. Nice reply. I agree with most of what you say, as I agree with the OP in general. I agree it's still vibrant. I'm beginning to see regular posts on the same subject matter and I'm avoiding them like the plague, as all I know is there will be flames and hatred in them primarily. If I'm doing this then the Devs are more than likely doing the same thing. Do I blame them, not in the slightest. Perhap sid you might want to take a week out fo just the forums and see how you feel afterwards, rahter than a full break from the game. It could be the attitude of the forums is spilling over into the way your seeing the game and community right now. ------------------------------------------------- AWMCorp is Recruiting EVE-Ink - An Tattoo Project Based on EVE-Online
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:09:00 - [45] Too many kids moved over from wowm hence the "Can i have your stuff" and "Nerf x y and Z" posts. if i were a dev i wudnt be able to reply to half of the posts and these lamers just repeat the same ****e over and over.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:11:00 - [46] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bye then. dbp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im not leaving, and read the post before you reply to it. --------------------- Well you should, cause most old time players would email CCP not run to the boards whining. seriously, you do more harm than good making retarded posts like this. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:25:00 - [47] Originally by: sidthesexist Every vet rememmbers the old Tomb's Nerf bat joke and the whole Soon(tm) joke also, but thats all gone now, there isnt any banter between community and devs anymore. If anything, it's the community itself that's killing that banter, not the Devs. The Devs still try, but everytime they try and bring in a joke, or can't offer a complete answer right away, they get savaged for being "umprofessional" or "not taking the problem seriously" etc. Just take a look at the "strip wrangler and eris of gold bars" threads, or the reaction some of Jiekon's posts are getting. That's probably why we get less details of things like server crashes etc as well. After all, what's the point if all it'll do is get all the ranters going again and require the mods to clean up even more. I'm not saying that we all need to go around being yes-men to the Devs, but there's a big difference between constructive criticism, and some of the constant rants about anything and everything the Devs do that we see around here these days. Banter is a two-way thing, you can't have banter with people who just stands there hurling abuse. What I find particularly stupid is the tendancy these days where a dev response to one issue is met not with debate on that issue, but with rants about why they didn't also respond to completely different issues that that particular dev may know nothing about. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
DefilerCB Caldari Interstellar Laboratory	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:30:00 - [48] I started this character like half a year ago. I was in a noob corporation as everyone else start. For the first time in my history of mmo's i saw a gm actually reply to my question ingame - i was amazed. I asked around other ppl and generally much older characters aout how they feel for the game. The most common answer was : the support is great , u get answered to petitions in a matter of minutes , the game never crashes and is very unlikelly for ur client to crash aswell. So i stayed.... After half a year of playing and firing about a dozen of petitions for beeing stuck , for not receiving money back from market , for beeing killed in lag and for various other reasons my conclusion is : the support is not uber good , neither it cares about u. I don't know how the things used to be , bus as they are right now it's exactly the same as it was in wow (which was my previous mmo) : 1. auto replies(if any) 2. insane waiting for a reply 3. mod's rarely read forums and if they do it is just to keep the rulles as of no flaming and sticking to topics. 4. noone cares for u , as u r just a drop in between all the custommers as it saves alot of money just to ignore u rather than having to hire 100 more gm's to keep everyone happy as the constant flow of players makes sure everyone of us is expendable 5. silly changes to the patches without any obvious reason 6. changes that are not listed to "balance the game" etc lighten the trafic and server load 7. The game is becoming what wow is atm : a commercial product for the average moron to spend 4-5 months and move on , as that is what brings in money and that is what their goal is after all. Noone will make the game to amuse u , thay will make it as simple as possible and as profitable as possible , which is completelly normal. 8. The new content is exactly as the old one painted in different "colours" just so they say they update the game. 9. Developers have never played the game and never will as they are hired just to encode something new that came in to the mind of someone who just woke up with the idea rather spending time to read the huge and see what ppl want , as simply the old developers that created the game now are working somewhere else and the new ones are simply clueless(about the game). That is what i've seen in every mmo i have played so far and it reached a certain amount of players. That's just the way it is. As i side note this is the only mmo that has some point in it worth playing for and that is controlling and having ur own land , something no other mmo i played has. It has a great lvl of difficulty in pvp which for example in wow consists of pushing 3 buttons over and over. I just hope they don't make it "user-friendly" as much as wow is cuz than instead when u kill someone and u get rid of him for a good amount of time and cause him loses equal to atleast several hours of gameplay , he just returns in 2 mins and kills u simply because it doesn't cost him anything but to walk back to his corpse.
F4ze Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.09.11 12:44:00 - [49] The sole reason for this evolution is the increased player base. Devs can't do the stuff they did back then anymore because the link between CCP and the playerbase has become a tiered one. I have seen the very same thing happen with the lanparty I help organize: the bigger it gets, the more you estrange a big part of your customers, and it's unavoidable. The hardcore of veteran customers will always be there, but eventually even they will feel left behind because CCP has to divide its attention between so many things and so many people.
Gibri Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:06:00 - [50] Ccp was largely owned by the icelandic telecom company, which was at that time owned by the icelandic goverment, it sold its shares and now ccp is no longer the experiment it once was and is now a full grown profit making machine, ccp is a goldmine for its owners now but they of course want more $$$$$.
Halet Cu	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:53:00 - [51] I just read that CCP accepted a buy out offer from Sony!!!! Yes, I'm lying but just wanted to place the issue in perspective
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.11 13:59:00 - [52] Originally by: sidthesexist The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China. Recruitment
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Mr Happ No offence here ut why should EVE stay as it is to suit you? Did he ever make such a claim? Cant say I got that impression. I think what he means is that something is different, and it is. Devs can easily ignore all the rubbish ranting on these forums and still communicate with us. Recruitment
Skarsnik Caldari A.W.M Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: sidthesexist The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China. As far as I'm aware TomB was given a promotion in order to run the serenity project, Oveur has always pretty much been at the helm for a long time. ------------------------------------------------- AWMCorp is Recruiting EVE-Ink - An Tattoo Project Based on EVE-Online
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:17:00 - [55] Edited by: Death Kill on 11/09/2006 14:19:29 Originally by: Skarsnik Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: sidthesexist The devs dont seem to want to invest as much time into developing the community as they used to, they also dont inform us of anything that is changing, there has been no post with any information on any of the server crashes latley... To me it seams that things started to change after the previous 'man in charge' were given responsabilaty for serenity and left for China. As far as I'm aware TomB was given a promotion in order to run the serenity project, Oveur has always pretty much been at the helm for a long time. I have vague memories of reading in E-on about 'cantrememberhisname' that used to run tq moved to Shanghai to run serenity. Ofcorse I could be wrong, but I swear I read that 'the main man'left for China Recruitment
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:36:00 - [56] Quote: The level of immaturity and arrogance in this thread is appaling. Why don't you click on "Last page" to see how mature the boards were back then. As I said on another thread JUST LIKE THIS ONE MERE DAYS AGO, selective memory FTL.
DazWozUK Caldari Syntax Error	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:49:00 - [57] I used to love reading the mirc dev/player chat logs, they where a superb insight into where eve was going and why, and also a good opportunity to get player related questions answered directly from the horses mouth. Bring em back CCP we miss u.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Hatuk Originally by: DB Preacher Have you gone yet? dbp who is this DBP ape? i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive Dont you know? Reikoku is the new ATUK in terms of smack. Recruitment
Droid 22	Posted - 2006.09.11 14:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Hatuk Originally by: DB Preacher Have you gone yet? dbp who is this DBP ape? i notice him spaming threads 0-24... he never says anything constructive LOL that my friend is the Official BOB anouncer. He¦s at his best trollin and smackin @ everything written here, even tho he''ve no clue what plp are sayin. As I said b4 filter that muppet out then maby these forums would gain the respect as i board of information and ideas rather than as it is today. I surly hope I'll meet him in person @ the fest to see the man behind all that smack
Lady Sabriel	Posted - 2006.09.11 15:07:00 - [60] I loved reading the Dev Chats, they were a great source of information. Reading about future development of the game has always been a great inspiration for me. I'd got so excited about the features on the horizon. But now, there is very little to look forward too. We're given little information about the future of the game. The Dev Blogs are good, but still there is a tiny amount given away in each of them. Otherwise we have to buy news about the games' future in the form of EON.

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