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Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:30:00 - [31] Most of the people posting in this thread play the blob game, in more than one way. You are hipocrits and you're the cancer that plagues eve. Everything must die. That is all. -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:31:00 - [32] I would love to know where I can go to rat for 2-4 hours to replace a t2 fitted battleship. Do you fit small tech2 weapons? I would love to have a billion isk, nevermind several billions. The filthy rich keep whining that "everyone has too much isk" while a lot of people are saying that they are scared to undock their shiny tech 2 ships becauses replacing them is wallet breaking. So who has all the ISK? The whiners who says everyone has too much isk? ¼+¼ a history
Darken Two Gallente Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Riddari I would love to know where I can go to rat for 2-4 hours to replace a t2 fitted battleship. Do you fit small tech2 weapons? I would love to have a billion isk, nevermind several billions. The filthy rich keep whining that "everyone has too much isk" while a lot of people are saying that they are scared to undock their shiny tech 2 ships becauses replacing them is wallet breaking. So who has all the ISK? The whiners who says everyone has too much isk? DING the man gets it. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Yarrick Amarr Finite Auxiliary	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:36:00 - [34] /Signed. I've just come back from several months away from EVE and whilst people do say distance makes the heart grow fonder, I've yet to actually enjoy myself playing this game since I've come back. Bring back the old days. _____________________________________________
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:41:00 - [35] Agreed and signed on behalf of MaxSuicide, Daily, G0o and the rest of Ex CF Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Pestillence This isn't about vets, it's about the current state of pvp in EvE. A few of us left the MC to form a small corp and we wardecc'd 2 alliances who were doing a lot of pounding of chests and seemed up for a fight. We're willing to fight stupidly outnumbered and even suicide into them if it'll be a good fight. Now they won't even undock. meh OP is QFT And your corp ganked meh Brutix :( Technically, I did beat the Eagle, but the Astarte, Sleipnir and Ishtar saved it :P Also, It was litterally the only fight I had gotten all day (And this was almost midnight for me :P), everything the OP said has been happening to me lately. No-one fights unless with superior numbers/shiptypes etc. ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Swifty McSwift FORCE 01	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:44:00 - [37] DICE and their COIN offshoot are currently in khanid (low sec empire) ganking the poses of small corps as they want to avoid paying corp tax so want the moons to replace that income. When youve got 6m sp and theyve got a dread gang bigger than your corp, they've got 1 of every t2 bpo in the game and your struggling to buy a t1 bs bpo. Tell me what incentive is there to get every asset you own blown up trying to fight with anywhere near remotely even numbers. Even if we had the numbers wed be broken by the losess of trying to engage something like that evenly. Do CCP care about vets? I would ask do vets care enough about eve to put put personal gain aside to some extent to improve the quality of the game they love?
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:46:00 - [38] we need pos HP and damage cut down in half. reinforced mode fuel price needs to be increased by a factor of 20.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Masta Killa Most of the people posting in this thread play the blob game, in more than one way. You are hipocrits and you're the cancer that plagues eve. Everything must die. That is all. Something's wrong, I agree with MK EvE, is different. It's not worse, I don't see the past in the rose tinted glasses that many seem to. I still have good fights and fun, still have goals to attain and fun to be had. I certainly miss the epic fleet combat, the last time I had that was against CODA in Querious - I still have the MOST fun in that type of engagement but I still shake when I'm involved in small gang combat. I think those that are complaining, whilst many of the points are valid (pos spam etc) the biggest issue certainly is, as previously mentioned, the attitude. The will to find a fight, the motivation to travel or the willingness to sacrifice that bling ship you've spent months setting up. CCP obviously care about the vets, pos and capital ships were put in FOR US - the fact that they are still a bit (lot) broken is seperate to that. I sincerely wish tehy'd stop introducing more resource using "content" until the server coders can keep up with the content and numbers we already have.
Baconjoe Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:47:00 - [40] Signed. I think that people are obsessed by kill mails and it's a serious problem. Getting a good fight in eve is few and far between. We are cursed men
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:47:00 - [41] Edited by: Naqq on 13/09/2006 11:51:43 Originally by: Hamatitio It seems like more and more these days I am logging in just to sit around and talk to people I know. I haven't truly undocked and played in god knows how long, and I can't even remember the last time I got a kill. Phonix and I seem to sit around on vent and just talk about how great of a game used to be. The truth is, EVE is not the same game it was 2 years ago. It is entirely different, and I've come to accept that. I feel sorry for all of the newer players, they cannot experience what EVE was like for us, they don't know what they were missing. I'll leave it at this - PVP back in the day was glorious. Maybe its my inability to fully accept these changes, but its almost as though the game is unplayable. You truly cannot take any ship (other than a vagabond or interceptor) into enemy territory and expect to get out alive. That is fine, I'll take friends. If you take friends, they take more friends or sit in a station. It is nearly impossible to get a fight, and when you do, it is almost always one you cannot hope to win. It seems that the main reason for fighting these days is because you are bored, you take your gang of 6 into the blob of 20 because you are tired of waiting, you don't care if you die. I'll just leave it here with a /sigh, I could go on this rant for quite a long time. The fun part - WCS/ECM. People say they are broken, people say they are fine. IMO, the entire propulsion system needs to be looked at. Why can a frigate disable a battleship or a carrier drive? At the same time if you change it, will you still see frigates on the battlefield? These are questions that must be asked, cannot be answered, and leave everyone wondering. I dont want to turn this into a flame fest so I am not going to say what I think should be done. Sniping. Probably the most boring thing in the game. Fleet fights sit at about 150km away, warp an interdictor in, pop a bubble, and primary / secondary the enemy fleet down. This leads to all sorts of camping until one fleet shows their force, usually resulting in little fighting, and extreme lag. The more I think about it, the more I agree, multiple ships attacking the same target should reduce the damage. Make fleet fights at least somewhat interesting if we are going to sit at 150km. Why shouldn't shells exploding into the hull of another ship send out particles that could interfere with incoming fire? Or hell, even tracking. Soloability. Yes, this is an MMO. Its an online multiplayer game, that is understandable. However, sometimes I don't have 14 people that can go on an op with me, so what can I do? Go NPC? I'd love to be able to hop into a thorax and go cruisin around space. Unfortunately, you can't. /end argument. That is my 3 am rant for today. I hope you enjoy, and perhaps some of the older players can agree with me on some parts. Missing EVE '03/'04 -Hama Couldn't agree more. What I miss is not just the 'epic fleet battles' as a BOB poster point out above, but actually more the small skirmishes of 5v5 etc. People seem to be alot less willing to risk it these days, even tech1.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Swifty McSwift DICE and their COIN offshoot are currently in khanid (low sec empire) ganking the poses of small corps as they want to avoid paying corp tax so want the moons to replace that income. When youve got 6m sp and theyve got a dread gang bigger than your corp, they've got 1 of every t2 bpo in the game and your struggling to buy a t1 bs bpo. Tell me what incentive is there to get every asset you own blown up trying to fight with anywhere near remotely even numbers. Even if we had the numbers wed be broken by the losess of trying to engage something like that evenly. Do CCP care about vets? I would ask do vets care enough about eve to put put personal gain aside to some extent to improve the quality of the game they love? LOL. Your point is completely different to what the OP is saying, Swifty. DICE are there to do a job, it's not mean to be "fair". This is the one thing that CCP HAVE got right, infrastructure, eventually they'll sort it out enough so that people will HAVE to fight.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Masta Killa on 13/09/2006 11:50:17 I was mainly talking about BoB, Louisa. You come here complaining about blob tactics etc and then you log in and pounce a 3 man gang with 30 hac's. It's nice that you agree with me though. -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Masta Killa I was mainly talking about BoB, Louisa. You come here complaining about blob tactics etc and then you log in and pounce a 3 man gang with 30 hac's. Care to show me where I've (ever) complained about numbers, MK?
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:54:00 - [45] back to the topic... imho tank and damage output of ships are out of balance. You can make always more damage then you can tank. No battleship can over tank ~1k dps atleast not without faction modules. But to make ~1k dps is possible. When there was no t2 weapons and ammo then damage output for any ship was much more smaller. sniping should be nerfed! for example more damage penalty. I can fly t2 fitted arma and from 190km i make more damage then t1 fitted raven and im pretty sure he cant tank my damage for very long time. For example until dictor bubble disapears.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Masta Killa I was mainly talking about BoB, Louisa. You come here complaining about blob tactics etc and then you log in and pounce a 3 man gang with 30 hac's. Care to show me where I've (ever) complained about numbers, MK? You as in "you bobbits". -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Masta Killa Most of the people posting in this thread play the blob game, in more than one way. You are hipocrits and you're the cancer that plagues eve. Everything must die. That is all. Something's wrong, I agree with MK EvE, is different. It's not worse, I don't see the past in the rose tinted glasses that many seem to. I still have good fights and fun, still have goals to attain and fun to be had. I certainly miss the epic fleet combat, the last time I had that was against CODA in Querious - I still have the MOST fun in that type of engagement but I still shake when I'm involved in small gang combat. I think those that are complaining, whilst many of the points are valid (pos spam etc) the biggest issue certainly is, as previously mentioned, the attitude. The will to find a fight, the motivation to travel or the willingness to sacrifice that bling ship you've spent months setting up. CCP obviously care about the vets, pos and capital ships were put in FOR US - the fact that they are still a bit (lot) broken is seperate to that. I sincerely wish tehy'd stop introducing more resource using "content" until the server coders can keep up with the content and numbers we already have. Funnily enough I agree with both Masta and Louisa Torres here..... the fact that that is even possible is scary..
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.13 11:59:00 - [48] The only fun things, i think, that are left in eve are small (20-30ish) roaming hac/frigs gangs or just solo hunting. But even then, its hard to find a fight, and ganks are just simply boring. Fleet fights, the bigger the worse, and if your not FC, they are mindless. I cant understand how a fleet member would enjoy just pointing, clicking, then pressing f1-f8, rinse and repeat. Theres no need to think, theres no need to apply any skill, how effective you are is pretty much solely down to how many skills pts you have. POS/system seiging is just about camping and who can lag the least. Hac/frig fleets means you'll either get a fight where your outnumbered and outgunned, a gank, or you wont get anything at all in most cases. Frankly, Eve for me, isnt stimulating enough to even rank as fun, its far to easy, something like C&C Generals, which is a pretty basic RTS, is far harder. The only good thing left about eve in my eyes is that if you are "good" at what you do, and you are succesful, its far more rewarding and fulfilling. I dont think Eve was better in the old days, maybe have been less blobby and less laggy/posy, it just takes a while to get bored of its never ending features, im sure i'll be back to play a bit of kali, if im not to busy. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Masta Killa I was mainly talking about BoB, Louisa. You come here complaining about blob tactics etc and then you log in and pounce a 3 man gang with 30 hac's. Care to show me where I've (ever) complained about numbers, MK? You as in "you bobbits". And those of us who think the same way as I do laugh at those people aswell. So again, what's your point?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:00:00 - [50] Mmmm, well most of the ppl here are missing a very significant fact which is there will never be PERFECT EVE !!! PPL keep saying ohh noess we hate pos and eve was better 1 year back in staion ping pong forget that those very same ppl who also made posts like this one saying we hate staion ping pong and we need more defensive structures etc hence the devs busted their braisn and got the idea of the POS and also many of the progressions we see today . Improvement , research and development always brings new situations and new environemnt that we will like some hting in it and hate other stuff in it , T2 items gave ppl huge advantages and also on the other hand inflated market and its prices etc ! I am not saying i am happy with what EVE is now but i try to adapt , hell i even whine daily about lots of stuff (I have a 3 weeks unanswered petition that i dint even get a reply on LOL) but at the end of the day ask urself this , how can the devs create a perfect EVE that will please all ???? There will always be whines and always ppl unhappy about something , either adapt or leave it , the cycle of change keeps going with or without u. The only way to accept somehting is to like its advantages and accept its disadvantages and live with it coz eventualy it will keep refining and get better but it will never be perfct. My 2 cents. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger" "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt" [IMG]http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1609/yazimprove
Niraco79 Gallente Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:01:00 - [51] I`m not a vet but i agree : POS must be balanced in terms of lag, CPU operations and memory usage. We have lag with an empty pos while the system is without lag overall, so is something wrong with the code. If the pos grid would load without lag, the pos battles could be epical. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:01:00 - [52] Edited by: Ugluuk on 13/09/2006 12:01:56 My problem is the clone price.. Lately i got podded a few times cause of lag and own minstakes..Cost me so much i wont bother to pvp as much as before and get tired of the game.. 4 clones in 2 weeks..2 cause of lag and 2 out of stupidity = 64mill That is much for a guy like me with a fulltime job, family and a few hours each day to play.. I wanna pvp..Not spend 2 weeks to make isk then pvp 3 days to repeat the process.. Wish i could take away some useless skills i trained when not knowing better so i go down a few clone sizes.. Hard to be old.. Or i could just join the fleet blobs..
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Ugluuk My problem is the clone price.. Lately i got podded a few times cause of lag and own minstakes..Cost me so much i wont bother to pvp as much as before and get tired of the game.. 4 clones in 2 weeks..2 cause of lag and 2 out of stupidity = 64mill That is much for a guy like me with a fulltime job, family and a few hours each day to play.. I wanna pvp..Not spend 2 weeks to make isk then pvp 3 days to repeat the process.. Wish i could take away some useless skills i trained when not knowing better so i go down a few clone sizes.. Hard to be old.. 64m is one run in a 6.10 complex that takes about 90 minutes.
Kazim The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Swifty McSwift DICE and their COIN offshoot are currently in khanid (low sec empire) ganking the poses of small corps as they want to avoid paying corp tax so want the moons to replace that income. When youve got 6m sp and theyve got a dread gang bigger than your corp, they've got 1 of every t2 bpo in the game and your struggling to buy a t1 bs bpo. Tell me what incentive is there to get every asset you own blown up trying to fight with anywhere near remotely even numbers. Even if we had the numbers wed be broken by the losess of trying to engage something like that evenly. Do CCP care about vets? I would ask do vets care enough about eve to put put personal gain aside to some extent to improve the quality of the game they love? Way to go bob golf clap
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:03:00 - [55] Edited by: Lag Fest on 13/09/2006 12:03:09 oh boy i soooo wanna say this: "Those who do not adapt, become victims of Evolution" _______________________________________
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:05:00 - [56] it seems to me that the lag is the biggest of all problems, i remember sa/xetic vs ca fights, huge and stuff - and less laggy then today. without the lagg and some changes to pos warfare the lliances could have good wars again. and btw, dont feet the troll above me.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Murphy Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:18:00 - [57] Originally by: C4w3 I had a discussion last night with Phonix and some oldies Hast and homies in a chan. Resulting in me actually wanted to post my personal rant ;0) you beat me to it.... hehe Well here is my 5 cents. ISK = Money sink? at this point of time there is no real risk losing anything not even a pimped out mach issue mega raven and so forth. ppl are filthy rich. Dont even get me started on getting targets, it¦s just lame beyond imagination. Fleet battles, well as a mini pilot 150 km + sniping is co0l and all but by god how boring, remembering the awsome days in providence with Sally che, and the fighting in venal or fountain with SPVD, mo0 Forsaken and that i called PVP battles .... almost crying losing you shiny Tempest or scorp..... having to go 60 some jumps back home ... POS are BROKE, POS wars SUCKS, Read Seleens posts about it pretty much says it all, i cant freekin explain, to drunk atm ;0) Solo PVP well it¦s notting such as solo called in eve no more, just ganks imho. I say ROLLBACK to Castor .......... Now im gonna go sleep. Flame away. And i DO NOT care about spelling gramma or anything like that, all i care about are drugs alcohol and Females. C4 --> OUT. I have to agree the old days of us fighting in providence were the most fun I've had in this game. Back then insurance was a joke, agent missions sucked, you'd get your ass kicked npcing half the time, yet we'd all go out and blow each other up and not think a thing about it. Then go get new ships and go at it again. Didn't matter who won or who lost, the important thing was everybody had fun and there was a good round of fun in local afterwards. I think like a lot of people do killmails and killbaords have gone a long way in removing that fun. People are more worried about looking bad on a killboard then they are about just going out and having fun.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:30:00 - [58] Edited by: welsh wizard on 13/09/2006 12:33:25 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Mmmm, well most of the ppl here are missing a very significant fact which is there will never be PERFECT EVE !!! PPL keep saying ohh noess we hate pos and eve was better 1 year back in staion ping pong forget that those very same ppl who also made posts like this one saying we hate staion ping pong and we need more defensive structures etc hence the devs busted their braisn and got the idea of the POS and also many of the progressions we see today . Improvement , research and development always brings new situations and new environemnt that we will like some hting in it and hate other stuff in it , T2 items gave ppl huge advantages and also on the other hand inflated market and its prices etc ! I am not saying i am happy with what EVE is now but i try to adapt , hell i even whine daily about lots of stuff (I have a 3 weeks unanswered petition that i dint even get a reply on LOL) but at the end of the day ask urself this , how can the devs create a perfect EVE that will please all ???? There will always be whines and always ppl unhappy about something , either adapt or leave it , the cycle of change keeps going with or without u. The only way to accept somehting is to like its advantages and accept its disadvantages and live with it coz eventualy it will keep refining and get better but it will never be perfct. My 2 cents. I don't think anyone is disputing this Yazoul. We cant exactly storm CCP HQ's and change the way the game works can we? Your points are correct but lecturing people because they choose to make their voices heard doesn't really help. If something about the game is rubbish you can rely on the Eve community to ***** about it until it gets fixed or is changed. This is every players right. If you don't like hearing what they have to say I think you should take your own advice, leave the forums, don't tell them to leave the game which they have been paying to play for so long. The wonders of free speech. edit: grammar
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:34:00 - [59] So, for most renewing POV of the year, i actually enjoy large fleetfights. Larger the better, longer range the better. Ofcourse, it all comes down to what ship you bring. Bringing a Tech2 fitted 250km sniping machine can be boring yea. Watching them shoot you at 200km and failing is hilarious though. And as far as thats concerned i do agree that things were better in the old days. If a single hostile tackler reaches your fleet people warp the entire fleet out. Back in the day you could get tackles on 3-5 people before getting 50 drones on your ass and being forced to warp out, after which you could start approaching again. Yummy.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.13 12:52:00 - [60] Celes apoc is full of vets and we keep them interested by attacking the best.. play eve on hard. id rather kill 1 BOB battleship than 5 noob alliance battleship... thats why we fight BOB, because its a challenge. close range PVP action, no *** 180k RED BOX warfare. We had yesterday for a 24 period 4 pages of kills on our killboard, most alliances dont get that action, eve is what u make it. Its alsoALOT more stable than when it started, CTDS were so common in PVP u just expected it, with the first to log back on the winner. Im enjoying my eve time lately, its been fun. d solo.

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