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Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:05:00 - [1] So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. Now, I think we all know CCP are probably trying to find a solution. Anything else would be commercial hara-kiri, something CCP are not going to do willfully. Still, they're doing just that. Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. To me it bears resemblance of a couple webhosts I have been unfortunate enough to use. When the **** hit the fan and servers started having trouble, instead of dealing with the problem publically, replying to the customers and being professional, they "went underground" No contact, no statements no nothing. Just like EVE atm. Keep this up CCP and you will not reach 50k subscribers, you will start loosing them. Rapidly. I'm sure this thread will be ignored just like the others, maybe even locked or deleted. I'm loosing faith, and I really don't want to. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:10:00 - [2] just leave already the whining is a headache geez .. There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s and now the scent of any lag or anything not suiting you everyone throws a hissy fitt .. Enjoy RL then no lag there or change games or do something else then think that the forum is your whine place seriously no one cares except the whiners and your wasting peoples time with theese threads .. oh hey get a job at CCP there hiring and sit there and whine at them .. Cursed Spawn recruitment
Cristian Misionairy	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. Now, I think we all know CCP are probably trying to find a solution. Anything else would be commercial hara-kiri, something CCP are not going to do willfully. Still, they're doing just that. Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. To me it bears resemblance of a couple webhosts I have been unfortunate enough to use. When the **** hit the fan and servers started having trouble, instead of dealing with the problem publically, replying to the customers and being professional, they "went underground" No contact, no statements no nothing. Just like EVE atm. Keep this up CCP and you will not reach 50k subscribers, you will start loosing them. Rapidly. I'm sure this thread will be ignored just like the others, maybe even locked or deleted. I'm loosing faith, and I really don't want to. /signed
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Gonada on 15/09/2006 12:16:29 god , i hate pathetic little whiners like this OP instead of emailing ccp, he runs to the boards and posts crap. leave, dont come back ps. game works fine for me, rarely ever get lag, but then again i know how to optimize a computer, and dont have a crap aptiva, compac ect. your just one on the vocal whiney minority. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
LaCoHa Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:15:00 - [5] I was having very similar feelings - here is an effective (and fun) counter that will have you loving eve in no time) step 1 - Liquidate all your eve assets. step 2 - buy a small fleet of PVP fitted ships. step 3 - move to .4 or lower, and begin to kill! Trust me, youll be loving eve again in no time. Good luck.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:16:00 - [6] I think you're over reacting bub.
Reincarnator Amarr Brute Force Missions inc	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Valkazm just leave already the whining is a headache geez .. There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s and now the scent of any lag or anything not suiting you everyone throws a hissy fitt .. Enjoy RL then no lag there or change games or do something else then think that the forum is your whine place seriously no one cares except the whiners and your wasting peoples time with theese threads .. oh hey get a job at CCP there hiring and sit there and whine at them .. QFT many of the small problems in this game are being blown out of proportion by the community. I havent seen many problems that werent my own fault tbh Quote: You will never quote this sig! QFT
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:17:00 - [8] The devs and ccp have said many things about what you are complaining about, you just need to look for it. Its in dev blogs, and usually the tread ont he forums relating to it. The problem is people dont search for stuff. The devs only have time to post it once otherwise they would be constantly answering peoples questions and never doing anything to actaully make the game better. If you are unsitisfied by the service then you should leave but it wont make any difference in the long run, CCP are putting what resources they can into the game, you "leaving" or threating to leave wont change how much they can put into the game. BOOBIES!
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Valkazm just leave already the whining is a headache geez .. hmm, ther eis some truth though, iam noticign some more delays when opening cans, or even when enemys target/fire at me no clue if its my end (of course its my end, what possible other reasons could it be :-P ) or if its because of the safetythings they were put in lately to measure things and stuff :-P hope it will improve again --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:23:00 - [10] Signed About some of the flamers, fanboys, whetever comes here and use words that offend some people, the OP or any other, there is always the "Rules of the Forum" and I think a petition could fit just fine to handle this situation. But don't bother with these types cuz they don't talk for the community, in fact, they are few ppl, mostly, kids that don't know what is respect... They will learn, some day, at least I hope so.
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:24:00 - [11] I must say, a lot of you don't understand at all. Go play WoW if you want to be flametrolls. I don't whine about the lag, it's ok. **** happens. I'm just pointing out that the seeming lack of communication from CCP is not a very good way to go about ones business. I'm sure the problems will be sorted. They always have so far. But a little communication and public presence would reassure especially the people coming into the game now that this is not normal, and being sorted. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Wild Rho on 15/09/2006 12:26:17 The devs have already stated several times that issues are being looked into and worked on. It's a waste of time and effort on their part to respond to every single thread that wants to make a complaint and it will only encourage more people to post threads demanding CCP respond to them. Anyone who thinks they are just ignoring the situation should get a reality check. EDIT: ffs mathew beat me to it, damn you *shakes fist WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. People who have been with the game 2+ years will know that this is not the worst the server has been. It got fixed then, and it'll get fixed now. Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. Actually, there are loads of Dev posts around, acknowledging that there are issues, and that people are working on solving them. Take a stroll over to eve-search and use the dev post finder. The problem is that 100k+ subscribers are capable of generating threads at a much faster rate than the devs can possibly post to them. Then there's the fact that new threads about exactly the same thing appear every day. It would be a complete waste of dev time to sit there posting exactly the same response to exactly the same query, day after day. And if they did they'd just get accused of using cut&paste responses and ignoring the players. It also doesn't help that a lot of forum users seem to have failed to even purchase the Patience skillbook, let alone started training it. There are way too many threads that get started at mightnight, and by 9am have degenerated into a whine because the devs are "ignoring" the thread, completely forgetting that the Devs have to sleep sometime. 24/7 forum dev posting is not part of the subscription. And of course, in forum-land, it can't possibly take more than 2 seconds to identify a problem in a million+ lines of code, then devise, compile, test and release a fix for it. There's only so many different ways to say "We know there's a problem, we're fixing it". More detailed feedback would be pointless, because most players wouldn't understand or care - they'd much rather the devs just get on with the fixing. Right now the eve community is behaving like a 4-year old who's dad is trying to fix their bike - standing next to him going "Is it fixed yet, is it fixed yet, is it fixed yet, is it fixed yet..." ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Valkazm There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s Ah, the times of no lag.... :) Seriously, I think people who whine every day here on the forums... needs something else to do than Eve for a while. Its easy to let the game dominate your life, and then problems with the game becomes problems with your life. Not good. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Valkazm There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s Ah, the times of no lag.... :) Seriously, I think people who whine every day here on the forums... needs something else to do than Eve for a while. Its easy to let the game dominate your life, and then problems with the game becomes problems with your life. Not good. :) Total agree, and BTW, a nice form of show your point-of-view without offending. Congratulations.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:31:00 - [16] Veldspar EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:32:00 - [17] People should not have to _search_ for news like this. Ever. New players will not even know about eve-search. The join up, get a lagged game, and leaves. Who knows what assets to the community these players migth have become. It would not be hard to put a plainly visible newsitem on the front page, under headline news. But ohnoes, that might make people not download the game. Maybe so. Maybe they'll rather check back in a few weeks, rather than without knowing about the problems at the moment downloading the game, getting crap performance and leaving never to return. Repairing a bad first impression is very hard. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:37:00 - [18] As politely as I can, let me ask you to not try to speak for the EVE community as a whole... especially the older players. We older players know that this is nothing. Eve has it's ups and downs... and frankly the in-game issues with lag have been far worse in the past. You've been informed on where the Dev responses you so desperately crave can be found. That should pretty much end this nonsense don't you think? I don't blame you for over-reacting when you don't realize or don't know any better. Now, however, you do know better. Get a grip.
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Chribba Veldspar agreed they should remove all of it therefore reducing lag. BOOBIES!
Michayel Lyon Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.15 12:45:00 - [20] Would you preferr the devs to be on the forum all day saying "we are aware of the problems", or in the office actually working towards a solution? I know what I preferr...
Ellandrian D'Amerathe	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:06:00 - [21] The forums are starting to remind me of the old EQ "whineplay" forums. Over time they degenerated in to a pretty constant stream of player complaints, page after page on the same 2 or 3 topics. Sony eventually shut those forums down and for a couple years there was no official EQ forum. If you think about it, from a business standpoint at least, Sony did the right thing. Only a fractional minority of the players used those forums while thousands of happy players were silent, yet many people who were interested in the game read them to learn more and saw the complaints. I wonder how many subscriptions the whineplay forums cost them before they put an end to them. Really, there is a thread, usually dozens of threads for just about every complaint on the front page, search is your friend. I rarely see lag, even in Empire. Of course I rarely go to Jita or Yulai... Quote: There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s I remember very well (dating myself massively). Commodore Vic20 with a Dataset tape drive. 18 minutes to load Temple of Apshai 23 minutes to load Telengard The upgrade the Commodore 64 with the 1541 disk drive was huge, it dropped my load times to 5 minutes across 4 disks and I was absolutly thrilled with that.
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Ellandrian D'Amerathe I remember very well (dating myself massively). Commodore Vic20 with a Dataset tape drive. 18 minutes to load Temple of Apshai 23 minutes to load Telengard i guess i was a geek back there,too :-P i could tell you in WHAT format the tape was recorded by jsut listening on the first bit :-p normal c64 tape was double same sequence speedtape was only 1x the sequence and there was another speedtape format, it sounded a bit different thats about all the formats i know :-P --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:14:00 - [23] Maybe I'm in the minority, but as an existing player I am certainly not outraged. Lag is rarely an issue because I don't go to empire, and wrote off fleet battles as being laggy by default. The only thing thats managed to bother me recently is how show info sucks. Maybe I've lost hope, maybe I can simply remember a worse time than most. But you should know posting on here doesn't make it go faster. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:20:00 - [24] I, for one, cannot wait till all the whiners fingers are bleding with all the typing there doing, then hopefully there will all quit and these boards will return to normal intelligent posts that i can actually read and reply to while at work. Recently the whines have gone up ten fold. Im all for making your voice heard, and not accepting problems, but until CCP are visably not doing jack ****, i'll not be whining and complaining about lag. I'll just be staying out of empire. Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:27:00 - [25] Ok... one more time, and I'll try to be very clear with regard to those of you with obvoiusly limited capabilities: I (as in myself) do not (that is normally regarded as the opposite of "do") mind the lag. I know it will be fixed. I know where the info is. The problem is that new players only see thread upon thread of complaints, seemingly ignored by CCP. No, i do not think they should spend their days answering on the forums. Post a proper news-item on the front-page, and login screen so it is plainly visible, and not something you need to go looking for. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat ...with regard to those of you with obvoiusly limited capabilities: getting evil now? ^^ --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Zhelavar Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 15/09/2006 12:26:17 The devs have already stated several times that issues are being looked into and worked on. It's a waste of time and effort on their part to respond to every single thread that wants to make a complaint and it will only encourage more people to post threads demanding CCP respond to them. Anyone who thinks they are just ignoring the situation should get a reality check. QFT
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:33:00 - [28] well... I've stated 4 times now that I do not mind the problems myself, and that the thread isn't even about them, but the way CCP chooses to handle it. It cound be done sooo simple and stopped the constant hammering of "omfglagz" threads to a large degree. Still this seems to pass right over the head of most people replying, only digging up the standard "omfgnubwhineblah!!one!" replies. --- As one life ends, another rises from the ashes. Ingame Channel - "Phoenixpublic"
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:36:00 - [29] coudlnt remember doing that :-P but tbh i still didnt even read the whole first message, but all the others sigh --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.15 14:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat I must say, a lot of you don't understand at all. Go play WoW if you want to be flametrolls. I don't whine about the lag, it's ok. **** happens. I'm just pointing out that the seeming lack of communication from CCP is not a very good way to go about ones business. I'm sure the problems will be sorted. They always have so far. But a little communication and public presence would reassure especially the people coming into the game now that this is not normal, and being sorted. what you probably don't get is that would bet DEVs have been putting in 80+hr weeks since just pre-dragon, and you thread whining about there communication is #10 billion and One. Their community manager have been at game conference and just got back, for all we know there is 10 blog on his desk waiting. Apparently for you though signing one of the countless other thread that say EXACTLY what you say isn't good enough. You need to be special and have you own thread. Well - hope you are happy. Weirda don't even know what the hell all the whining is about tbh. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now

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