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Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.15 20:41:00 - [61] Edited by: Matthew on 15/09/2006 20:42:25 Originally by: Spaja Saist The problem is CCP used to say how their cluster could support up to 100k users. Well we now know what a blatent lie that was. It likely could have, with the reduced feature set we had back then, and if people didn't insist on all trying to cram into 0.1% of the available systems. btw, you might want to fix your quotes in that post. EDIT: ok, you got them by the time I finished. Originally by: Spaja Saist What I'd really like to know is how does it hurt you for people to post comlaints? Because when someone starts complaining about an issue that has never been raised before, it'll more than likely get downed out by the piles of "OMG t3h server suxxor and CCP are liars" threads. I'm not against complaints, just against constantly repeated, redundant complaints. We want the Devs to listen to us, fine. But we have to make sure what we're saying is actually useful. The 8-year-old saying "daddy, my bike is broken", is useful. Him then standing by daddy while he's fixing it, saying "it's still broken, it's still broken, it's still broken, it's still broken....", or "is it fixed yet? is it fixed yet? is it fixed yet?..." is not useful. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.09.15 20:44:00 - [62] Edited by: Spaja Saist on 15/09/2006 20:44:07 Originally by: Matthew Edited by: Matthew on 15/09/2006 20:42:25 Originally by: Spaja Saist The problem is CCP used to say how their cluster could support up to 100k users. Well we now know what a blatent lie that was. It likely could have, with the reduced feature set we had back then, and if people didn't insist on all trying to cram into 0.1% of the available systems. btw, you might want to fix your quotes in that post. EDIT: ok, you got them by the time I finished. Originally by: Spaja Saist What I'd really like to know is how does it hurt you for people to post comlaints? Because when someone starts complaining about an issue that has never been raised before, it'll more than likely get downed out by the piles of "OMG t3h server suxxor and CCP are liars" threads. I'm not against complaints, just against constantly repeated, redundant complaints. We want the Devs to listen to us, fine. But we have to make sure what we're saying is actually useful. The 8-year-old saying "daddy, my bike is broken", is useful. Him then standing by daddy while he's fixing it, saying "it's still broken, it's still broken, it's still broken, it's still broken....", or "is it fixed yet? is it fixed yet? is it fixed yet?..." is not useful. I fixed the quotes. Like I said though if people don't respond to the complaint threads they will just move off the front page. Look at how our arguement has kept this thread on page one.
Phichi Caldari Team Americas Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:24:00 - [63] I personally am praying for more lag. Because if lag increases then all the ex-WoW oversensitive "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING I AM OUTRAGED" whiners will quit. Then the subscriber base will go back down and there will be less lag. In the end More Lag = less annoying whiney people, and less lag. Kill two birds with one stone. BOOST LAG NERF EMPIRE! Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Yeihon Eye of the Abyss	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:39:00 - [64] Whats lag? hahaha! Im so tired of all this whining. I often wonder if people don't actually believe that data has to travel to get where its going and back. That and I think that often what people percieve as lag is actually personal system performance. And no, I dont have lag. Im ready for the new headline "PEAK CONCURRENT WHINING THREAD RECORD REACHED!"
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:41:00 - [65] The OP is right! Signed. At least, for me, as a 2 account subscriber, it's the beginning of the end. The issues are, for sure, a concern. But worst than that is the lack of COMMUNICATIONS with the community, like they could say: "Leave, your 30 bucks/month will not change nothing, we have a lot of fanboys and they will keep paying... hahaha, I will drink a cheap american beer... go, go."
Phichi Caldari Team Americas Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.16 00:50:00 - [66] Originally by: Bloody Slave The OP is right! Signed. At least, for me, as a 2 account subscriber, it's the beginning of the end. Some of us are wondering when it will be the end of the end. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
TricksR4Cats	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. ahh screw that, my corp just made friends with several others and now has 0.0 access being negociated, and it all happened by chance! For us, these little quibbles mean nothing, for us, it's the end of the beginning :)

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:01:00 - [68] Firstly, CCP is aware of the problems we've all had lately, and I think we can all (well, at least most of us) agree that their time is better spend on fixing those problems instead of replying to umpteen threads about it. Us moderators however, haven't - so I've compiled a small collection of answers on the related topics for your pleasure. Redundancy on POS-lag Wrangler on "fix bugs, don't add more content" Kieron on node drops, dragon code and hardware. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \|[email protected]

welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Valkazm just leave already the whining is a headache geez .. There was a time when you had to use cassete tapes to play games and big floppy disk¦s and now the scent of any lag or anything not suiting you everyone throws a hissy fitt .. Enjoy RL then no lag there or change games or do something else then think that the forum is your whine place seriously no one cares except the whiners and your wasting peoples time with theese threads .. oh hey get a job at CCP there hiring and sit there and whine at them .. Stop tbh. It's an enourmous problem and practically everyone agrees. You're just arguing for the sake of it. End.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:10:00 - [70] I personally am praying for more lag. Because if lag increases then all the ex-WoW oversensitive "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING I AM OUTRAGED" whiners will quit. --------------------------- this is the real reason. that and cheap , ignorant people with old age computers, bad connections and no idea how to optimize anything. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.09.16 01:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Phichi I personally am praying for more lag. Because if lag increases then all the ex-WoW oversensitive "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING I AM OUTRAGED" whiners will quit. Then the subscriber base will go back down and there will be less lag. In the end More Lag = less annoying whiney people, and less lag. Kill two birds with one stone. BOOST LAG NERF EMPIRE! QFT --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.16 02:51:00 - [72] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 16/09/2006 02:50:47 I thought doomsdays prophets and other similarly silly people only existed in cartoons. Boy was I wrong. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.09.16 03:44:00 - [73] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. Now, I think we all know CCP are probably trying to find a solution. Anything else would be commercial hara-kiri, something CCP are not going to do willfully. Still, they're doing just that. Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. To me it bears resemblance of a couple webhosts I have been unfortunate enough to use. When the **** hit the fan and servers started having trouble, instead of dealing with the problem publically, replying to the customers and being professional, they "went underground" No contact, no statements no nothing. Just like EVE atm. Keep this up CCP and you will not reach 50k subscribers, you will start loosing them. Rapidly. I'm sure this thread will be ignored just like the others, maybe even locked or deleted. I'm loosing faith, and I really don't want to. hmmmm, this thread and about 30 like it, clueless because they dont search first and want to vent. go play WOW.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.16 03:53:00 - [74] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat So, the last couple of weeks we have been seeing the game becoming more and more lagged, bordering to completely unplayable. Existing players are outraged, new players get a VERY poor first impression. Now, I think we all know CCP are probably trying to find a solution. Anything else would be commercial hara-kiri, something CCP are not going to do willfully. Still, they're doing just that. Multiple forum threads over several pages, angry and "less than satisfied" paying customers, seem to be completely ignored by CCP. I'm sure they are not, but that is how it appears. No communication, no reassurement that things are being looked into, nothing. To me it bears resemblance of a couple webhosts I have been unfortunate enough to use. When the ** hit the fan and servers started having trouble, instead of dealing with the problem publically, replying to the customers and being professional, they "went underground" No contact, no statements no nothing. Just like EVE atm. Keep this up CCP and you will not reach 50k subscribers, you will start loosing them. Rapidly. I'm sure this thread will be ignored just like the others, maybe even locked or deleted. I'm loosing faith, and I really don't want to. Would it make you happy if CCP came in and said they know about the lag, and are doing everything they can to try and deal with it? Maybe, but you'd have the *****s and trolls come out in force, saying how much CCP sucks at coding and the servers suck...etc, and CCP would just be left with pages of hate. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:20:00 - [75] a start would be that GMs recognize that the node is dead, and dont tell us that there is no major problem when 150 people cant log in anymore From Dusk till Dawn
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:24:00 - [76] @ Ivan thank you those links now sigged temporarily while the current level of lag threads continues I may add more if anyone has any good dev responses they want to link to. @ Spaja Saist Seriously my freind you need to get a bit of perspective. You state you have canceled your accounts while this issue goes on. Can I strongly reccomend you go outside and smell the roses a bit while you wait. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Got Lag? Redundancy on POS-lag Wrangler on http://myeve.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:28:00 - [77] Originally by: Mrmuttley @ Spaja Saist Seriously my freind you need to get a bit of perspective. You state you have canceled your accounts while this issue goes on. Can I strongly reccomend you go outside and smell the roses a bit while you wait. People who say that don't mean it. If they were serious they'd just do it and not spend time telling people. Afterall, Avon's still here. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Sosus Red Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Spaja Saist Edited by: Spaja Saist on 15/09/2006 20:34:00 Originally by: Sosus Red DOes the op really think CCP does not want thier game....thier creation...the whole reason for CCPs' existence, to run as best as possible??? I understand people get upset once in a while about this game, I know I have. People have so much time and emotion invested in this game that sometimes people do not think logical. When you stop enjoying the game, take a break. Ive taken 2 6 months + breaks from the game and I come back all refresehed and ready to jump back into the pilots seat. OP, it sounds like its break time for you. any grammar mistakes were intentional. I don't think anyone believes CCP doesn't love their game and want people to enjoy it. The problem is people like myself no longer believe they are capable of fixing it. If they're not capable of fixing it then why complain? Accordig to you they cant do anything about it. Listen to this cool stationwhile you play

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