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Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:47:00 - [1] CCP : Dont add shiny new ships Dont add a new GFX engine Dont add fancy new options Dont add tech2 wcs Dont add ANTHING Just REMOVE the lag!! And for the love of god : DONT talk about "great" goals like 30k users online and such ****. That realy zynical why we all dying in an laggy, partial unplayable game. A angry CUSTOMER
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:48:00 - [2] We need kali cuz i said so My views do not reflect my corporations views.
Selfe Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:49:00 - [3] LagLess Fleet Battles > Kali ----------------------- Join The UK Corperation. Foundin Partners in Lokta Volterra
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Selfe LagLess Fleet Battles > Kali Didnt someone say the same about exodus? Ship lovers click here
DeadRow True Core	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:53:00 - [5] Go away I want shiny new teir two battlecruisers /DeadRow, True Core
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:54:00 - [6] Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. - Three years old
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.16 21:59:00 - [7] I need Kali because it has the Hurricane for me. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:03:00 - [8] well the OP has a point though, i'd rather see ccp fix current bugs and lag issues before new content. Doesn't mean i don't want the new content, but a little less laggy game would be just as sweet imo. Banner will be updated shortly
Reincarnator Amarr Brute Force Missions inc	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:05:00 - [9] Edited by: Reincarnator on 16/09/2006 22:05:12 Meh, Ithildin said everything i was saying Quote: You will never quote this sig! QFT
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Ithildin Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. And somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:19:00 - [11] Cake would solve all our problems. Anyone got any cake spare?
Kye Kenshin Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:20:00 - [12] Lagless fleetbattles? Thats never ever gonna happen. If CCP fixes it so 200vs200 fleet fights are lag free the alliances will bring 300vs300 and get lagged out again then whine again. The players will constantly push the limit on how many they can bring. www.beaglecorp.com \| Join "BEAGLEPUBLIC" channel ingame.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.16 22:21:00 - [13] Go away :) I want my BC sized omen (with enough grid to actually fit guns + some tank ;p)
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.16 23:10:00 - [14] People seem to be stuck thinking lag can be removed by the press of a button, and that very expensive hardware and coding needs to be done to reduce it. You are also forgetting that not everyone who works at ccp is "working on lag", some do art (shiny new ships), working on the GFX engine, some do content (add stories, missions etc..) and so forth.
Kaylon Syi Gallente The Nest	Posted - 2006.09.16 23:57:00 - [15] I want lag fixed in september/october and kali released in in october/november. ----- If I was you... I'd run.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:02:00 - [16] Has anyone consider that Kali is more than about new features, and it actually also contains code and stuff to fix the server? ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Ramireza CCP : Dont add shiny new ships Dont add a new GFX engine Dont add fancy new options Dont add tech2 wcs Dont add ANTHING Just REMOVE the lag!! And for the love of god : DONT talk about "great" goals like 30k users online and such **. That realy zynical why we all dying in an laggy, partial unplayable game. A angry CUSTOMER I don't need you too ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:05:00 - [18] but kali will cure aids! think of aids victims! lotto Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:07:00 - [19] Originally by: evistin Has anyone consider that Kali is more than about new features, and it actually also contains code and stuff to fix the server? Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Gloria Stitz Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously but....but...but...okie ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ithildin Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. And somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team Decreasing Content Team = Less/No New Content = People getting tired and bored of the same things = Less Customers = Less Money for CCP = Less Resources for Performance Team. ---------------- Meet... bunneh:
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:33:00 - [22] And you think people don't get tired of the same old thing which is lag ? Most people haven't even explored 10% of the game for that matter, new content really isn't required. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
St Dragon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:35:00 - [23] Heh someone forgot to read......This i pretty much expected this to happen ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Ramireza CCP : Dont add shiny new ships Dont add a new GFX engine Dont add fancy new options Dont add tech2 wcs Dont add ANTHING Just REMOVE the lag!! And for the love of god : DONT talk about "great" goals like 30k users online and such ****. That realy zynical why we all dying in an laggy, partial unplayable game. A angry CUSTOMER I don't need you too OP - Read the blog... that is what they are focus on. you post is a bit late on the bandwagon and you prolly could have jump on one of 1000s of others __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 17/09/2006 00:55:32 oops delete plz ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
Makhan	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ithildin Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. And somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team Decreasing Content Team = Less/No New Content = People getting tired and bored of the same things = Less Customers = Less Money for CCP = Less Resources for Performance Team. Or in short: this thread=the suck
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.17 00:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Aeaus And you think people don't get tired of the same old thing which is lag ? Most people haven't even explored 10% of the game for that matter, new content really isn't required. Theres lag in every game, and the only time ive noticed lag is when i went to jita, during fleet fights, or when a node crashes. I barely ever go to jita, the fleet fights never even happen due to cowards, and node crashes have been rare for me so far. IMO, people just over exaggerate the lag half the time, stop spending so much time in places like Jita or Oursulaert maybe. But anyway, i never said there wasnt any lag, my post simply stated that decreasing the size of the content team would be a bad idea. And new content IS required, new content adds smaller things for the newbies so they dont feel left out, and it adds more things for the vets so they dont feel bored and leave after a year or two. ---------------- Meet... bunneh:
JINX HSC North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.09.17 01:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Ramireza CCP : Dont add shiny new ships Dont add a new GFX engine Dont add fancy new options Dont add tech2 wcs Dont add ANTHING Just REMOVE the lag!! And for the love of god : DONT talk about "great" goals like 30k users online and such ****. That realy zynical why we all dying in an laggy, partial unplayable game. A angry CUSTOMER Agree... CCP .. take care of the customers you have.. i dont want 30k on the server .. i rather have 5k and a game that i can play..
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate	Posted - 2006.09.17 01:35:00 - [29] Alliances will continue to bring the blobs, and the blobs will just get bigger. You are the cause of fleet battle lag, not the servers. I can happily engage in 30vs30 warfare without a problem. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.17 01:58:00 - [30] Another angry customer here. I'd be happy to see ANY improvements at all. You can feed me with blogs all you want but I want to see the results. Not asking for lagless fleet battles just let me control my ship while I'm flying around and gank people. Logging in and undocking every weekend is already a frustrating experience, and you want to bring even more people and increase the load on your servers ? Of course I want new shiny ships and new stuff to train for but what is it good for if I can't use it in combat? We urge you to focus on making every day game experience comfortable and pleasant. ___________ In LAG we trust
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.17 02:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Kye Kenshin Lagless fleetbattles? Thats never ever gonna happen. If CCP fixes it so 200vs200 fleet fights are lag free the alliances will bring 300vs300 and get lagged out again then whine again. The players will constantly push the limit on how many they can bring. Unfortunately this man speaks the truth...
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.09.17 02:45:00 - [32] blasphemy! may your armpits be infested by the fleas from a thousand camels! kali must launch, lag, node crashing, cluster death, system freezes, traffic ques, server crash, client crashes be damned!!!!
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.17 02:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ithildin Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. And somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team Because we all know throwing more programers at the problem is the key get a clue. --- CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Trillian Mcmillan The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.09.17 03:11:00 - [34] Lag is truly ridicilous lately. I dont know what changend. I dont know if its the Dragon code. I dont know if its the 30k players online. And to be honest... i dont care. Please fix it. Im paying you to fix it.
VCBee 756	Posted - 2006.09.17 03:17:00 - [35] I'm going to have to agree with this. Make the game stable. Make fleet battles not a pain in the ass. Fix instas/add a warp-to-at-1KM option. Clean up the code. Don't try to shoehorn new content into a game which is too lagged to have even small gang vs. small gang battles anywhere in the north/northwest sections of the galaxy. Don't try to cram new content into a game that lags you out if there are more than 500 people in the same constellation. Fix the bugs before you add new ones CCP.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.17 04:42:00 - [36] I've noticed that most lag whiners are usually carebears in jita/rens or alliance dumbasses who engage in 9000 vs 9000 fleet battles and then complain that its laggy. Its also these damn alliances that are clogging up the reimbursment queue by petitioning every damn lag lost ship in their stupid fleet battles. At least im not bitter though. ===============================================
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.17 04:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Scoundrelus I've noticed that most lag whiners are usually carebears in jita/rens or alliance dumbasses who engage in 9000 vs 9000 fleet battles and then complain that its laggy. Its also these damn alliances that are clogging up the reimbursment queue by petitioning every damn lag lost ship in their stupid fleet battles. At least im not bitter though. QFT!
Daktor The Galactic Trade Federation	Posted - 2006.09.17 05:09:00 - [38] Originally by: AeausAnd somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team[/quote It's obvious you aren't in software development. I suggest you read "The Mythical Man Month". Adding resources doesn't always increase productivity, and sometimes increases it. For example, 1 woman takes 9 months to produce a child. So 9 women should be able to do it in 1 month, right?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.17 05:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ithildin Hmm. Someone forgot to think before posting. People adding content != people who work on servers People who work on servers != people who do in game tweaking People who do in game tweaking != people who add content etc. Different departements, different responsibilities, different areas of expertise. Fixing lag and adding contents is NOT mutually exclusive tasks. And somebody else forgot to think that... Decreasing Content Team = More Resources for Performance Team You assume CCP is at some sort of 'cap' for staff they can hire, and that is why your post fails. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.17 05:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Scoundrelus I've noticed that most lag whiners are usually carebears in jita/rens or alliance dumbasses who engage in 9000 vs 9000 fleet battles and then complain that its laggy. Its also these damn alliances that are clogging up the reimbursment queue by petitioning every damn lag lost ship in their stupid fleet battles. At least im not bitter though. Hey now, not all of us empire alliance carebears have this mythical unplayable lag. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Iyanna Swift	Posted - 2006.09.17 07:24:00 - [41] As much as I would like to think patches and more efficient programming will fix the lag, it won't. There's simply too much going on for software updates to do much more. The only really powerful solution is more newer servers and fatter pipes from the datacenter. Sadly, this would cost the big bucks and any problem the server has would be that much more complex for every new machine. If would get to the point that your internet connection would not be able to transmit and recieve the sheer amount of data and people would then blame software or servers or CCP in general for it. As much as no one likes lag... there will be no huge advancement that cures all your problems unless you want to double the subscription fee and if CCP invests heavily in servers and personnel to maintain, small incremental performance increases is all you can hope for. Besides, new stuff is always fun, and the game (while looking very good) could be very impressive with a graphics update, but new graphics and ships probably won't hurt anything. I think more depth is always welcome..... and what you're asking for is logistically and essentially impossible to achieve.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.17 07:35:00 - [42] go away we need new shiny stuff then we forget aboutlag Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.17 07:41:00 - [43] We got a own node and all I noticed was "your number 3 in queque to log in..." From Dusk till Dawn
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 08:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Selfe LagLess Fleet Battles > Kali Didnt someone say the same about exodus? You did realise it had "greater than" in it, did you?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 08:46:00 - [45] Originally by: xeom Because we all know throwing more programers at the problem is the key get a clue. Im glad someone brought this up, because its very true. Anyone who has tried programming in a group knows this. If you have a problem that 5 experienced programmers struggle with, it wont help to bring in another 5 people. They will also struggle. Its not like painting a wall where 10 painters can do it 10 times as fast. Its more like solving a math problem. Can 10 people solve it 10 times as fast? Nope. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.17 08:50:00 - [46] Just reduce the bloody size of the fleets. Fleet size should be governed by a gang skill. There's no need for 200 vs 200 fights. Its just ridiculous. Join Out Of Exile Today
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.09.17 09:04:00 - [47] We do need kali.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.17 09:11:00 - [48] give us kali quickly
DemonStar Supernova Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.09.17 09:29:00 - [49] Well considering kali not only brings new ships and modules, but also patches and updates the client fixing as many issues as CCP has been able to program for in the last couple weeks, I'd say we need kali. I mean, unless you just want things to magically work we need a patch. Kali is a big fat patch wich happens to come with new things to play with.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.09.17 09:30:00 - [50] Originally by: xeom Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Ithildin [...] [...] Because we all know throwing more programers at the problem is the key get a clue. Smaller content team -> less new bugs -> Smaller petition queues. Doesn't sound that bad. I'd prefer the content and programming staff being rotated to the bughunters and GM team on a regular schedule. That might help them avoid some of the little bugs later because they can feel the pain others encounter cleaning up after their work. --==*-- No Thread with this ID This thread does not exist. Go back One page \| Go back to forums
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.17 09:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Just reduce the bloody size of the fleets. Fleet size should be governed by a gang skill. There's no need for 200 vs 200 fights. Its just ridiculous. we talk about 20-30 dreads, and 120 other people in system TOTAL that is not much, that is barly the minimum you need to kill a POS From Dusk till Dawn
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.09.17 11:53:00 - [52] Bring on Kali the last time i got unplayable lag was after i opened my bookarks folder following a re-install of the client. I warped across 100-ish AUs and sat at a gatre long enought to get ganked in a cruiser without realising it. The bookmarks loaded up quick enough to save my pod Moral of the story organise BMs right away after a re-install. as well as the blog see my siggeh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Got Lag? Dev Responses Link-O-Matic
AdamC Caldari Ferinus Vis	Posted - 2006.09.17 12:13:00 - [53] Its not as easy as just saying "fix the lag". It can't be done like that. As with MMO game they all have the same problems. Most of the time its down to the hardware and can't easily be resolved. But we can only hope that Kali will have small performace tweeks that will make gameplay better.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.17 12:33:00 - [54] Why is it so hard for people to understand that not every dev at CCP knows how to 'fix lag'? What do the graphics arts guys know about network code? Probably nothing. What do the content guys know about configuring servers? Probably nothing. What do you want these other devs to do while the network guys work on the lag? Go on a 6 month vacation? While I'm sure they'd like that I'm happy with them working on a new content patch. The new BFG.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.09.17 13:23:00 - [55] They have already said they are working the lag issues. They have already stated they have more hardware on the way. So how exactly does all these ***** posts help the situation?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.17 13:37:00 - [56] I want my Drone BC! Anyone who tries to push that futher back will have to answer to my Domi's belly full of murderous children that want a new toy to play with! I know its been said 20 billion times before, but for the record: The people who design the new ships are not the same people who work on server code. The people who design the new ships know nothing aboout server code. Designing new ships does not alter the server code in any way at all. CCP have enough money to hire as many staff that they think they need to. More staff does not mean more fixes. So, how does firing the concept artist working on ship skins cure lag?
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.09.17 13:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Ramireza CCP : Dont add shiny new ships Dont add a new GFX engine Dont add fancy new options Dont add tech2 wcs Dont add ANTHING Just REMOVE the lag!! And for the love of god : DONT talk about "great" goals like 30k users online and such ****. That realy zynical why we all dying in an laggy, partial unplayable game. A angry CUSTOMER Speak for yourself. And don¦t you now that the content people dont solve bugs in the code?Some people should just not post on the forums drunk .
Luke Skyrider DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:43:00 - [58] The problem is not lag, but flawed game mechanism that favor to big fleets which cause lag. Fix the game, before adding new stuff. [PvP-Recruitment] \| www.dab-online.com
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Gloria Stitz Originally by: evistin Has anyone consider that Kali is more than about new features, and it actually also contains code and stuff to fix the server? Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously LMAO "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"

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