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Floydd Heywood Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 31	Posted - 2011.11.30 09:38:00 - [1] - Quote Situation: One of our pilots was attacked in w-space when approaching a wormhole leading to hisec. He jumped through, the attacker followed him GÇô and our pilot was aggression-flagged to him. So he resumed shooting and killed our pilot who didn't return fire because he didn't want to be concorded and frankly was not sure what the ** was going on. There was no concord intervention. The combatants were not in same corp/ally and not at war. Now... 1. Can anyone confirm this issue? 2. If so, can CCP confirm that this is intended or that it is a bug? I'd actually like** a change where wh aggression carries over to hisec. But some information about it would be nice ;-)
Soon Shin Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck 16	Posted - 2011.11.30 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote Floydd Heywood wrote: Situation: One of our pilots was attacked in w-space when approaching a wormhole leading to hisec. He jumped through, the attacker followed him GÇô and our pilot was aggression-flagged to him. So he resumed shooting and killed our pilot who didn't return fire because he didn't want to be concorded and frankly was not sure what the ** was going on. There was no concord intervention. The combatants were not in same corp/ally and not at war. Now... 1. Can anyone confirm this issue? 2. If so, can CCP confirm that this is intended or that it is a bug? I'd actually like** a change where wh aggression carries over to hisec. But some information about it would be nice ;-) This should not happen, regardless of whether you aggressed him or not he should NOT be able to shoot you in highsec. Now if you took something from a can that belonged to him or his corp then that's a different story.
Floydd Heywood Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 31	Posted - 2011.11.30 09:54:00 - [3] - Quote Soon Shin wrote: This should not happen, regardless of whether you aggressed him or not he should NOT be able to shoot you in highsec. Well that's the question It COULD be an intended change. But I guess it's a bug, maybe introduced when they changed the logoffski aggression mechanics. I imagine that nobody ever tested this scenario on sisi. It did definitely happen GÇô our pilot and the attacker had a chat afterwards and the attacker confirmed that our pilot was flagged to him and he didn't know why himself. No cans or stealing was involved. Maybe someone wants to test this, easy with a neutral alt at a wormhole. I can't because I'm at work...
Shpenat Pafos Technologies 2	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:16:00 - [4] - Quote I can confirm that WH aggro is carried over to high sec space. It does not answer the question whether it is bug or intended change though.
Soldarius Peek-A-Boo Bombers 78	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:22:00 - [5] - Quote Peek-A-Boo Bombers officially endorses this product and/or service. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Floydd Heywood Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 31	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:24:00 - [6] - Quote Shpenat wrote: I can confirm that WH aggro is carried over to high sec space. Thanks. Now it's important to know whether one has to actually shoot someone before going to hisec or if it's enough to be shot at. I had no chance to talk to our pilot yet and ask him if he aggroed the attacker before jumping through the wh. If receiving aggro is enough to be flagged in hisec, using Orcas in w-space just got a lot more dangerous... and would clearly indicate that this is an unintended bug and not a feature.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative. 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:37:00 - [7] - Quote Floydd Heywood wrote: Shpenat wrote: I can confirm that WH aggro is carried over to high sec space. Thanks. Now it's important to know whether one has to actually shoot someone before going to hisec or if it's enough to be shot at. I had no chance to talk to our pilot yet and ask him if he aggroed the attacker before jumping through the wh. +1 If you willingly aggress and then jump out to escape then I think I'd be ok with this. Fighting on wormholes that exit into highsec is already pretty much pointless because of how easy it is to get involved in a fight and then immediately deaggress as soon as it looks like you might go down. That being said people have already adapted to this with bubbles, etc so I'm not sure this change was wholly appropriate. If on the other hand you become a valid target if someone merely plinks you when you're trying to leave, then that's a bit harsh.

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance 482	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:45:00 - [8] - Quote Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. CCP Spitfire \| Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire

Federigo Mondial Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:52:00 - [9] - Quote There teh answer
Tora Oni Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:56:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. To bad, would have a nice feature

Floydd Heywood Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 31	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:59:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Great Would actually be cool if you keep it, but only for ships that aggressed before jumping through the wormhole.
Jowen Datloran Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 151	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:01:00 - [12] - Quote Shpenat wrote: I can confirm that WH aggro is carried over to high sec space. It does not answer the question whether it is bug or intended change though. So... does zero sec aggro carry over to high/low sec too? Not that it is intended either. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á
Gaer Anansi Jack's Junkyard 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:02:00 - [13] - Quote Not just w-hole aggression that's gone a bit screwy - I was helping a corpmate move a ship and when I webbed him, he turned red to me on my overview.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative. 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote Jowen Datloran wrote: Shpenat wrote: I can confirm that WH aggro is carried over to high sec space. It does not answer the question whether it is bug or intended change though. So... does zero sec aggro carry over to high/low sec too? Not that it is intended either. Am interested to know this too. I can't remember the last time I fought on a empire nullsec/highsec gate and jumped out (I've usually always killed the target or been killed myself). I'd be surprised if the same mechanic wasn't also working in empire - i.e. an invisible timer and you being red to someone you possibly don't know about.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative. 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:13:00 - [15] - Quote Gaer Anansi wrote: Not just w-hole aggression that's gone a bit screwy - I was helping a corpmate move a ship and when I webbed him, he turned red to me on my overview. Corp mates are fair game for you to shoot anyway. I've turned red to corpmates when I've dropped from fleet from just "stealing" from a bookmark can or something. I think the red background might have precedence over "fleet" or "corp", or it may even depend on your own overview settings, etc. Either way it's not really a big deal when you can freely shoot corpmates anyway.
Dino Boff Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:50:00 - [16] - Quote I experience the bug yesterday with a corp mate when rolling a wh. The webbed him to help him enter warp; 5 minutes later after jumping into the new static wh, an aggression timer appeared. The next time I helped with web, he became flashy.
Efraya DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck 44	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:54:00 - [17] - Quote Everyone chill, CCP Spitfire is onto this, in the meantime. Time to get some kills on HS holes! WSpace; Best space.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative. 3	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:57:00 - [18] - Quote Someone find out if just aggressing them is enough please
Darod Zyree Zyree Holding 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:40:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Make it a design then? This is awesome and exactly what wormholes need, no more jumping to safety of highsec if someone is loosing a fight while camping a wormhole.
Victor Valka Endoxa Corporation 6	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:49:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Will this be declared an exploit in the mean time? If not...

Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 160	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:50:00 - [21] - Quote Darod Zyree wrote: CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Make it a design then? This is awesome and exactly what wormholes need, no more jumping to safety of highsec if someone is loosing a fight while camping a wormhole. Aggression should carry if you've shot them, not if they've shot you. So if you try and escape via the wormhole when an attack goes wrong, they can pursue and get revenge.
Zakuak MortuuS MachinA 1	Posted - 2011.11.30 12:58:00 - [22] - Quote Wow this would change some things! I'm on the fence as to wether or not I like the bug though. If by just getting a shot off and hitting an Orca while in the WH then chasing him out into hisec and continuing the fight even tho he cant shoot back....I dont like it but that makes me like it more lol.
Floydd Heywood Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2011.11.30 13:05:00 - [23] - Quote My corpmate just confirmed that he never aggressed the attacker, also not on the w-space side. So it seems that getting a shot off is enough. This of course does not make sense. It's also clearly an illegal exploit to farm illegit kills using this bug. Still wanting the change for aggressing ships though :)
Jack Tronic borkedLabs 18	Posted - 2011.11.30 14:20:00 - [24] - Quote I LOVE THIS BUG. It actually creates risk for hole campers on hi-sec wormholes who would just sit there bubbling all day, gank a few carbeears and proclaim elite pvp while jumping out when a single hurricane shows up to fight 10 of them on the hole.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 304	Posted - 2011.11.30 14:31:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Efficiency personalised on this guy, you post he answers Keep the good work rolling. Hem, give a little kiss to Punkturis for me mkay?
Barakkus 1105	Posted - 2011.11.30 15:02:00 - [26] - Quote Gaer Anansi wrote: Not just w-hole aggression that's gone a bit screwy - I was helping a corpmate move a ship and when I webbed him, he turned red to me on my overview. Yes you get aggression timers on corp mates now that don't appear until you jump out of system. I was shooting my alt last night to get my windows set up properly again, and vice versa. After I was done, I redocked, reshipped then went off to where I wanted to go. After I jumped out of system the aggression timer appeared in the upper left corner.
Marlona Sky Caldari Provisions Caldari State 81	Posted - 2011.11.30 16:49:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Hello all, This is not by design; we are currently looking into this issue. I'll let you know as soon as I have more information. Leave it!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 240	Posted - 2011.11.30 16:55:00 - [28] - Quote And the grieftards come a-flocking.... WH bubbles should be like mines - you drop one in a WH, and then go to hisec, and the moment someone gets caught in that bubble, you are flagged to their corp. Consequences, right?
Malkev 21	Posted - 2011.11.30 17:01:00 - [29] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: WH bubbles should be like mines - you drop one in a WH, and then go to hisec, and the moment someone gets caught in that bubble, you are flagged to their corp. Consequences, right? Consequences for breaking the law in lawless...oh...wait.
Ingvar Angst Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United 590	Posted - 2011.11.30 17:50:00 - [30] - Quote I could definitely see allowing aggression to carry into non-WH space if you agress while in Anoikis space, but it probably shouldn't if you never fired a shot and are basically doing nothing more than running away. That's a nice balance, imo. Six months in the hole... it changes a man.



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