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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:59:00 -
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on a sleipnir fit: MWD, 20km, Gist X-type XL, electrochemical booster, DG invul field
now say it tanks worse then the absolution
Sleipnir's tank is crazy
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Richard Masterson
Occassus Republica
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:13:00 -
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Please, unless you fly both races of ships and can do a diret comparison, don't argue that the OTHER race is more powerful or advantageous than yours. Why?
It's not just slots. It's not just resistances. It's not just weapon types and damage. It's not just speed. It's not just capacitor.
It's taking everything into account.
The Raven is a great PvE ship, but few people would bring it to a 200+ km fleet fight. The Vagabond is a great gank squad ship, but again, not a fleet fight ship.
The Crusader is great for orbit-out-of-web-range tackling, but for it's lack of mid slots, I wouldn't fight a crow with it.
When you say, "This ship is the best (HAC, Battleship, Interceptor, Destroyer), be sure to include WHAT IT IS BEST AT.
So that ship can out-dps yours? Well, figure out what your ship can do that the other can't before you cry about it.
Now, if you DO fly both ships, then please stop complaining about it and fly the ship that you prefer. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying, "Fly xxxxxx, or else."
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Aeaus
I think he meant after, since that reply is to somebody suggesting maybe that was before resistances. Just seems like a pointless comment attempting to derail a thread on why a ship is too powerful by fitting a weak tank and complaining about it.
Well, depends how you look at it. For me "before resistances" would be 1000 base dps. "After resistances" would be for me 100 dps when it meets 90% average resistances.
I strongly doubt the abso could tank 1000 effective dps after it get reduced to this by resistances 
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Spaced Skunk
Oriundus Cineris
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
Cyclone used to have a 8-4-4 layout, it was awful.
CCP in RMR give cyclone an extra medium to balance it.
I guess the extra slot has stuck with the t2 command ships for balance purposes.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
on a sleipnir fit: MWD, 20km, Gist X-type XL, electrochemical booster, DG invul field
now say it tanks worse then the absolution
Sleipnir's tank is crazy
yeh lets compaire a >1bil ship to a t2 fitted absolution 
stick to t2, then talk
sleipnir is the omgwtfbbq eh? well its a nice ship because it can fit 2 stabs and 3 dmg mods, giving it somewhat decent dps [not great because it cant use hail, where astarte+void is fine and absol+conflag is fine]
its a good ship, but not overpowered vs the others because its got to mid slot tank, and u need to spend at lest 2 slots to make the ship work, namely a mwd and a 20km. so u got 3 slots to tank, where the others have more. also it lacks webber! so any frigs that get close are a big problem because you cant hit them where an absol or astarte can fit webbers!
so anyone want to give me a t2 only sleipnir setup that is OMFG overpowered, or are we saying that a 2bil isk ship with gistii x-type xlarge booster is overpowered?
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 17/09/2006 21:41:53
I did indeed mean "after" resistances as Aeaus suggested. I also agree with Aeaus that fitting a wimpy tank then whining about it in comparison to heavy tanks is one of the more ignorant things one can do. If you want to compare an astartes or absolutions tank to a sleips fit the Sleip with an xl booster and a boost amp/invuln (not sure what gives a better overall tank).
As for the reason we are talking about faction gear, the person(you) who stated the Sleip's tank sucks in comparison to the Absolution/Astarte was I asume talking about faction gear and he is the one several of us are arguing with thus faction setups are brought into the argument. Unless of course hes talking about a 6 or 7 slot dbl rep tank which is not exactly a fair benchmark to compare a 3 slot sleip tank to.
Also the reason the Sleip is arguably the best Field command has very little to do with the extra low slot (not much you can fit in it other than a stab/nano). It has more to do with capless weapons, respectable range, small sig radius and the ability to fit a battle ship class booster with ease.
I'm not sure what the best way to go about fixing allot of the BC and Command ships problems is however I'm hoping that the current BCs and Command ships are reworked to make room for the tier 2s.
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MaidMarion
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Posted - 2006.09.17 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
minmater need extra slot to store their band-aids and duct-tape they use to keep their garbage cans . . er .. a ships flying.
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.17 22:53:00 -
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Actually the picture about the pony summed up the content of the thread pretty well. No, you can't have one extra slot.
Grow up. Some people seem like they want to whine untill there is no variaty at all.
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