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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:17:00 -
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o!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:18:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
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No you dont. :)
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 17/09/2006 15:12:26
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point.
The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid,
A cyclone with 6 mids and 3 lows that tries to ecm will have such a crappy armor tank that drones will wtf bbq it. Factor in that it will do awfull damage and you have a ship that is going to have trouble breaking another BCs tank and will die within the 20 second time period when it misses a jam.
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
Yeah, and die to the Myrmiddon instead. 
But thats OK... minnie ships are cool anyway. :)
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:21:50
Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
Nighthawk have good tank, crap damage. I just hope Tux doesnt raise the damage on it so it can both tank and gank at the same time like the Raven. I wouldnt really appriciate that.. :p
Edit: This is a fun thread btw... :)
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: xlop on 17/09/2006 15:28:51
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
I highly doubt that we are going to see stats similar to what are on the test server as those ships are arguably on par with several of the Command Ships. Now I'm not going to argue that the Brutix will still rein supreme as none of us outside of CCP have any idea as to what the tier 2 BC's stats will look like I'm just saying that the brutix combines a solid tank with solid gank. I forsee it still being one of the front runners in the BC class even after tier 2s. Sadly I cannot say the same for the cyclone and the Ferox, however I think the proph will still have a place (beef tanks are fun).
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.  
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
Jesus christ, cyclone used to have 4 medslots? ....
People were .. flying them.. ?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Jesus christ, cyclone used to have 4 medslots? ....
People were .. flying them.. ?
It seems to be a tradition to introduce nerfed minmatar ships and boost them after a while when they find out that nobody uses them.... :p
Typhoon was crap for the longest time too.
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 15:43:26
Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
Can the absolution and prophecy each get an each mid slot then? Then we will be more balanced towards the cyclone and sleipner. Besides we really do need an extra mid slot, 3 mids just... sucks..
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/09/2006 15:51:54
Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/09/2006 15:51:02
Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Can the absolution and prophecy each get an each mid slot then? Then we will be more balanced towards the cyclone and sleipner. Besides we really do need an extra mid slot, 3 mids just... sucks..
EDIT: Is it forbidden to put images like this? I'm not sure.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:52:46
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
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I laughed out loud at the "Not yours" text. Dont know why, but I found it extreamly funny. I might be drunk though. :)
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Olirtad Fiven
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
So you want caldari to be the only race that can shield tank at all? removing a mid from the cyclone(and it's T2 versions) makes the shield boost bonus practically useless. It already is limited by the need for things like speed mods, scramblers, webbers, etc.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:56:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:52:46
I laughed out loud at the "Not yours" text. Dont know why, but I found it extreamly funny. I might be drunk though. :)
Rofl that "Not yours" text got me too .
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Sagnius
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:01:00 -
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/me checks number of slots on typhoon and geddon, then me checks number of slots on scorp.
seams slot number have nothing to do with balance unless you want to up the scorps high slots and grid????
yup, thats what i thought
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sagnius
/me checks number of slots on typhoon and geddon, then me checks number of slots on scorp.
seams slot number have nothing to do with balance unless you want to up the scorps high slots and grid????
yup, thats what i thought
+1 low on Scorp. 
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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:10:00 -
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I tried doing a cyclone pvp setup once...didn't work, you can either have no tank and catch other people, or have a semblance of a tank and hope you land within 10km of your opponents and he doesn't move AT all.
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Awox
Awox Inc.
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"?
Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot.
You're obviously clueless if we have the "best" HAC.
We have the "best" HAC for choosing fights, being able to run away easily, but I would prefer a HAC that can hold it's ground, like a Ishtar for instance.
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Sae Marr
Amarr
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.17 17:23:00 -
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Whiners  Even with the "extra" slot the Sleipnir is slightly inferior to both the Astarte and the Absolution.
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Benglada
Finite Auxiliary
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Posted - 2006.09.17 18:07:00 -
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the cyclone also has +1 slot, with its previus slot config, it was a useless peice of tripe.
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Aterna
Minmatar
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.17 18:31:00 -
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It seems that shield tank + guns doesn't work all that well at close ranges...since you need a speed mod, webber, scrambler, and a shield tank. Personally, I'd build a long range cyclone rather then autocannon cyclone. It looks like it would have the best ratio of tank/gank (not necessarily utility, considering the range most fights take place at). It's a good gang ship i suppose, when you don't have to worry about the range of combat you're going to take place in.
Personally I prefer armor tanked ships because i don't have to choose between utility mids or my tank, i can build a tank and have utility. i don't have to sacrifice tank for utility and gank. at any rate, I don't see many cyclone pilots either...Don't see many BC pilots at all, except for the ubiquitous Ferox.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS.
Yes, the devs never change ships...
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
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I M'Aspy
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Can the next decent amarr ship get an extra slot above everything else next then? We could use some love, maybe when amarr t2 geddon is out give us an extra slot, surely ccp wont mind, they did it for minmitar, do it for amarr too!
I too would love an Apoc with 9 low slots or a Geddon with 9 high slots.
As someone who's flown Amarr since beta I can honestly say - NOTHING WRONG WITH AMARR...
...apart from the fact that people whine endlessly on the forums about them.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
You mean Gist right?
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster is about equivilent 84.0625 DPS repair, and with default resistances that means that you have one Large Shield Booster and an invulnerability field . Or just the booster.
Generally when people compare tanks you actually fit to tank, you don't see people fitting a MAR II on a brutix and the rest with heat sinks and whining how their ship can't tank.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
I think Jerick meant "before" resistances, not "after" there.
Considering a heavy tank (large SB + boost amp vs 2 MAR) gives (on the t2 lvl!) a shieldtank actually a rep/second and cap/hp advantage (not a major one, but it is there), both ships have equally well placed resistances and the cap recharge rate of both ships is IDENTICAL (so basically all the abso has more than the sleip there is max 875 more starting cap, and this is pretty much countered by the capneed of the lasers)...
No, the abso tank is most definately not better than the Sleip tank.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
I think Jerick meant "before" resistances, not "after" there.
I think he meant after, since that reply is to somebody suggesting maybe that was before resistances. Just seems like a pointless comment attempting to derail a thread on why a ship is too powerful by fitting a weak tank and complaining about it.
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