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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:15:00 -
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Shh. 
(this has been mentioned before, but nobody seemed to know why it was like that - nor wanted it changed  )
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:18:00 -
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 Originally by: inSpirAcy
Shh.
(this has been mentioned before, but nobody seemed to know why it was like that - nor wanted it changed )
Can the next decent amarr ship get an extra slot above everything else next then? We could use some love, maybe when amarr t2 geddon is out give us an extra slot, surely ccp wont mind, they did it for minmitar, do it for amarr too!
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VeNT
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
because its about time minmater got a ship or two that realy realy realy showed how damn good we realy are and that every other race should STFU.
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:19:52
Originally by: VeNT
Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
because its about time minmater got a ship or two that realy realy realy showed how damn good we realy are and that every other race should STFU.
Very constructive, could you say why minmatar deserve a ship that gets an extra slot whilst all the other races have the proper amount of slots?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:20:00 -
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Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"?
Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:23:00 -
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Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS.
Their Recon ships have a target painting bonus, while we have the awesome Curse and Pilgrim. Have some pity on them.
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:24:30
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS.
Their Recon ships have a target painting bonus, while we have the awesome Curse and Pilgrim. Have some pity on them.
We have the apoc, which is best fitted with minmatar guns because it sucks so hard, whilst they have the awesome Tempest, they should have pity on us, curse is nothing in comparison.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:26:00 -
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Well, my attempts at injecting a little humour to defuse the situation are clearly failing in the face of someone who takes the game a little too seriously.
So I'll just leave you with the harsh truth: it's not going to change. No patch will ever appear which says "The Sleipnir has had a slot pulled". Ever.
See, wasn't the humourous approach more friendly and fun? 
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:28:51
Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"?
Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot.
Hehe, as much as I love when people call minmatar ships "the best" and even "godly", I cant really agree with you there. Maybe if you bring some facts to the table instead of just "what you hear". :)
By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :)
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:27:40
It gets even worse, we have the zealot and the absolution, zealot has 4 turret slots, its counterparts, the deimos and the vagabond have 5, then the absolution, 6 turret slots, its counterparts have 7 turret slots, why do amarr get one less turret hardpoint? Arn't we supposed to be the kings tank and gank? Yeah right.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :)
IIRC, +1 more than others.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:32:42
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Jim McGregor
By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :)
IIRC, +1 more than others.
Yeah true. One more than AMARR too. :) Minmatar is the new I-win race actually, but its still a secret to most players out there... </irony> :)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
winner
I general any Minm ship that isnt really fast is second rate.
Other than the horribly flawed NightHawk the Sliepner isnt especially good compared to other CSs, I would say its about even.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:32:42
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Jim McGregor
By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :)
IIRC, +1 more than others.
Yeah true. One more than AMARR too. :) Minmatar is the new I-win race actually, but its still a secret to most players out there... </irony> :)
Shhhhhh.... dont tell everyone.
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Oblivion's Gate
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:55:00 -
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Yes, because the tech2 sniper apoc with tac's is something to laugh at, you know, till it hits you.
Anyway, I've been flying my Sleip for a while, and she's a pretty decent ship, a little too slow but other than that ok. Now my friends Absolution is scarier, ouchy.
As for HACs, the Zealot does just fine with 4 turrets, with 5 it would be godly. Curse and Pilgrim are awesome ships as well.
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:56:00 -
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OH NO!!!!!!!!!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
I'd agree except that the sleipnir is hands down the best field command atm and that extra slot is not the reson. To answer the OPs question, the Sleipnir has 1 more slot than the rest of the field commands because the cyclone has 1 more slot than the rest of the BC. When they added the Field commands ships they simply gave each of them 1 more slot than their coresponding BC.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.  
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
I had enough trouble fitting a solid tank to the Cyclone with five mids. Don't drop one. 
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:01:00 -
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Sleipnir has more mid/lows than the Cyclone because they couldn't add another highslot.
Highslots where you cant fit a primary weapon are worth less than a middle or lowslot.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:02:51
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
I agree with the change to the sleipner however what you suggest would make the already gimpy cyclone even more gimpy. If the objective is to ballance the number of slots on each ship in a class (barring drone ships) then there is other ways to go about changing the cyclone than simply removing a mid.
I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point. Do that and the cyclone would become a contender to the brutix for close range combat (as I feel it should be). As for caldari being the mid slot specialist, why do they have to be? The Ferox needs substantial changes and maybee removing a low for a mid and adding another turret hardpoint is the answer, who knows.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:10:00 -
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Cyclone gimped? I think it rocks. :)
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 17/09/2006 15:12:26
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point.
The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid,
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
I had enough trouble fitting a solid tank to the Cyclone with five mids. Don't drop one.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Cyclone gimped? I think it rocks. :)
To each his own  . However I have yet to find a cyclone that can even come remotly close to taking down my brutix. Shield tanked cyclones = die fast, ecm cyclones = crappy damage.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:15:00 -
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Everyone who thinks this thread will make Tuxford change the ships, raise your hand... :) Come on, this thread is just for entertainment value... just like most other threads in this channel.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid,
For a fast shield tanking ship, the Cyclone just can't fit what it needs. You end up with a shield booster, EM hardener, Invul hardener, a shield boost amp (or that bonus goes to waste) and you've one slot left to choose between a cap injector, speed mod and web. You really need the last two to actually hit anything with ACs, although one could argue that Nos counters the need for an injector.
The thing has redundant lows (I always end up with a nanofiber in that last slot), too many highs (IMO) and a CPU limitation so tight you'll never end up with an EW problem with any semblance of a tank.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:17:00 -
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o!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
o!
No you dont. :)
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 17/09/2006 15:12:26
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point.
The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid,
A cyclone with 6 mids and 3 lows that tries to ecm will have such a crappy armor tank that drones will wtf bbq it. Factor in that it will do awfull damage and you have a ship that is going to have trouble breaking another BCs tank and will die within the 20 second time period when it misses a jam.
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:19:00 -
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You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
Yeah, and die to the Myrmiddon instead.
But thats OK... minnie ships are cool anyway. :)
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:21:50
Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
Nighthawk have good tank, crap damage. I just hope Tux doesnt raise the damage on it so it can both tank and gank at the same time like the Raven. I wouldnt really appriciate that.. :p
Edit: This is a fun thread btw... :)
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: xlop on 17/09/2006 15:28:51
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: xlop
sleipnir isnt that great
its got the 5 mids and it needs a MWD [for ac] a shield booster of some sort, a 20km, a cap injecter [for all those nosf lover outs there], then one slot left for a hardener!
with a gistii large booster i get less than 300DPS tanked, and u hear the absolutions and caldari one tanking 1k DPS!
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
You think cyclone's sexy? Just wait for the tier2 minnie BC :D Ripping brutixes a new one soon!
I highly doubt that we are going to see stats similar to what are on the test server as those ships are arguably on par with several of the Command Ships. Now I'm not going to argue that the Brutix will still rein supreme as none of us outside of CCP have any idea as to what the tier 2 BC's stats will look like I'm just saying that the brutix combines a solid tank with solid gank. I forsee it still being one of the front runners in the BC class even after tier 2s. Sadly I cannot say the same for the cyclone and the Ferox, however I think the proph will still have a place (beef tanks are fun).
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
Jesus christ, cyclone used to have 4 medslots? ....
People were .. flying them.. ?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Jesus christ, cyclone used to have 4 medslots? ....
People were .. flying them.. ?
It seems to be a tradition to introduce nerfed minmatar ships and boost them after a while when they find out that nobody uses them.... :p
Typhoon was crap for the longest time too.
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Jemma Talcot
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 15:43:26
Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
Just STFU. I'm not flying minmatar t2 bc's or cruisers, but i remember 1 thing. CCP boosted cyclone by giving it 1 additional med-slot. U think that they cut cyclone/slephir something that they decided to do after debating over 2 weeks ? Answer is simple : NO.
Can the absolution and prophecy each get an each mid slot then? Then we will be more balanced towards the cyclone and sleipner. Besides we really do need an extra mid slot, 3 mids just... sucks..
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/09/2006 15:51:54
Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/09/2006 15:51:02
Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Can the absolution and prophecy each get an each mid slot then? Then we will be more balanced towards the cyclone and sleipner. Besides we really do need an extra mid slot, 3 mids just... sucks..
EDIT: Is it forbidden to put images like this? I'm not sure.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:52:46
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
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I laughed out loud at the "Not yours" text. Dont know why, but I found it extreamly funny. I might be drunk though. :)
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Mortuus
My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship.
Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist.
So you want caldari to be the only race that can shield tank at all? removing a mid from the cyclone(and it's T2 versions) makes the shield boost bonus practically useless. It already is limited by the need for things like speed mods, scramblers, webbers, etc.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:52:46
I laughed out loud at the "Not yours" text. Dont know why, but I found it extreamly funny. I might be drunk though. :)
Rofl that "Not yours" text got me too .
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Sagnius
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:01:00 -
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/me checks number of slots on typhoon and geddon, then me checks number of slots on scorp.
seams slot number have nothing to do with balance unless you want to up the scorps high slots and grid????
yup, thats what i thought
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sagnius
/me checks number of slots on typhoon and geddon, then me checks number of slots on scorp.
seams slot number have nothing to do with balance unless you want to up the scorps high slots and grid????
yup, thats what i thought
+1 low on Scorp. 
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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:10:00 -
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I tried doing a cyclone pvp setup once...didn't work, you can either have no tank and catch other people, or have a semblance of a tank and hope you land within 10km of your opponents and he doesn't move AT all.
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Awox
Awox Inc.
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.09.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others.
Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"?
Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot.
You're obviously clueless if we have the "best" HAC.
We have the "best" HAC for choosing fights, being able to run away easily, but I would prefer a HAC that can hold it's ground, like a Ishtar for instance.
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Sae Marr
Amarr
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.17 17:23:00 -
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Whiners  Even with the "extra" slot the Sleipnir is slightly inferior to both the Astarte and the Absolution.
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Benglada
Finite Auxiliary
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Posted - 2006.09.17 18:07:00 -
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the cyclone also has +1 slot, with its previus slot config, it was a useless peice of tripe.
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Originally by: Arkanor
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Aterna
Minmatar
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.17 18:31:00 -
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It seems that shield tank + guns doesn't work all that well at close ranges...since you need a speed mod, webber, scrambler, and a shield tank. Personally, I'd build a long range cyclone rather then autocannon cyclone. It looks like it would have the best ratio of tank/gank (not necessarily utility, considering the range most fights take place at). It's a good gang ship i suppose, when you don't have to worry about the range of combat you're going to take place in.
Personally I prefer armor tanked ships because i don't have to choose between utility mids or my tank, i can build a tank and have utility. i don't have to sacrifice tank for utility and gank. at any rate, I don't see many cyclone pilots either...Don't see many BC pilots at all, except for the ubiquitous Ferox.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS.
Yes, the devs never change ships...
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
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I M'Aspy
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Can the next decent amarr ship get an extra slot above everything else next then? We could use some love, maybe when amarr t2 geddon is out give us an extra slot, surely ccp wont mind, they did it for minmitar, do it for amarr too!
I too would love an Apoc with 9 low slots or a Geddon with 9 high slots.
As someone who's flown Amarr since beta I can honestly say - NOTHING WRONG WITH AMARR...
...apart from the fact that people whine endlessly on the forums about them.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
You mean Gist right?
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster is about equivilent 84.0625 DPS repair, and with default resistances that means that you have one Large Shield Booster and an invulnerability field . Or just the booster.
Generally when people compare tanks you actually fit to tank, you don't see people fitting a MAR II on a brutix and the rest with heat sinks and whining how their ship can't tank.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
the 1k dps numbers are after resistances, you may want to take a look at the lack of any major whole in the sleip's resistances.
yeh and my 300DPS is AFTER resistance, WITH A FACTION Large gistii booster!
I think Jerick meant "before" resistances, not "after" there.
Considering a heavy tank (large SB + boost amp vs 2 MAR) gives (on the t2 lvl!) a shieldtank actually a rep/second and cap/hp advantage (not a major one, but it is there), both ships have equally well placed resistances and the cap recharge rate of both ships is IDENTICAL (so basically all the abso has more than the sleip there is max 875 more starting cap, and this is pretty much countered by the capneed of the lasers)...
No, the abso tank is most definately not better than the Sleip tank.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
I think Jerick meant "before" resistances, not "after" there.
I think he meant after, since that reply is to somebody suggesting maybe that was before resistances. Just seems like a pointless comment attempting to derail a thread on why a ship is too powerful by fitting a weak tank and complaining about it.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.09.17 19:59:00 -
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on a sleipnir fit: MWD, 20km, Gist X-type XL, electrochemical booster, DG invul field
now say it tanks worse then the absolution
Sleipnir's tank is crazy
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Richard Masterson
Occassus Republica
Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:13:00 -
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Please, unless you fly both races of ships and can do a diret comparison, don't argue that the OTHER race is more powerful or advantageous than yours. Why?
It's not just slots. It's not just resistances. It's not just weapon types and damage. It's not just speed. It's not just capacitor.
It's taking everything into account.
The Raven is a great PvE ship, but few people would bring it to a 200+ km fleet fight. The Vagabond is a great gank squad ship, but again, not a fleet fight ship.
The Crusader is great for orbit-out-of-web-range tackling, but for it's lack of mid slots, I wouldn't fight a crow with it.
When you say, "This ship is the best (HAC, Battleship, Interceptor, Destroyer), be sure to include WHAT IT IS BEST AT.
So that ship can out-dps yours? Well, figure out what your ship can do that the other can't before you cry about it.
Now, if you DO fly both ships, then please stop complaining about it and fly the ship that you prefer. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying, "Fly xxxxxx, or else."
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
I think he meant after, since that reply is to somebody suggesting maybe that was before resistances. Just seems like a pointless comment attempting to derail a thread on why a ship is too powerful by fitting a weak tank and complaining about it.
Well, depends how you look at it. For me "before resistances" would be 1000 base dps. "After resistances" would be for me 100 dps when it meets 90% average resistances.
I strongly doubt the abso could tank 1000 effective dps after it get reduced to this by resistances
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Spaced Skunk
Oriundus Cineris
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
Cyclone used to have a 8-4-4 layout, it was awful.
CCP in RMR give cyclone an extra medium to balance it.
I guess the extra slot has stuck with the t2 command ships for balance purposes.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.17 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
on a sleipnir fit: MWD, 20km, Gist X-type XL, electrochemical booster, DG invul field
now say it tanks worse then the absolution
Sleipnir's tank is crazy
yeh lets compaire a >1bil ship to a t2 fitted absolution
stick to t2, then talk
sleipnir is the omgwtfbbq eh? well its a nice ship because it can fit 2 stabs and 3 dmg mods, giving it somewhat decent dps [not great because it cant use hail, where astarte+void is fine and absol+conflag is fine]
its a good ship, but not overpowered vs the others because its got to mid slot tank, and u need to spend at lest 2 slots to make the ship work, namely a mwd and a 20km. so u got 3 slots to tank, where the others have more. also it lacks webber! so any frigs that get close are a big problem because you cant hit them where an absol or astarte can fit webbers!
so anyone want to give me a t2 only sleipnir setup that is OMFG overpowered, or are we saying that a 2bil isk ship with gistii x-type xlarge booster is overpowered?
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.17 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 17/09/2006 21:41:53
I did indeed mean "after" resistances as Aeaus suggested. I also agree with Aeaus that fitting a wimpy tank then whining about it in comparison to heavy tanks is one of the more ignorant things one can do. If you want to compare an astartes or absolutions tank to a sleips fit the Sleip with an xl booster and a boost amp/invuln (not sure what gives a better overall tank).
As for the reason we are talking about faction gear, the person(you) who stated the Sleip's tank sucks in comparison to the Absolution/Astarte was I asume talking about faction gear and he is the one several of us are arguing with thus faction setups are brought into the argument. Unless of course hes talking about a 6 or 7 slot dbl rep tank which is not exactly a fair benchmark to compare a 3 slot sleip tank to.
Also the reason the Sleip is arguably the best Field command has very little to do with the extra low slot (not much you can fit in it other than a stab/nano). It has more to do with capless weapons, respectable range, small sig radius and the ability to fit a battle ship class booster with ease.
I'm not sure what the best way to go about fixing allot of the BC and Command ships problems is however I'm hoping that the current BCs and Command ships are reworked to make room for the tier 2s.
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MaidMarion
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Posted - 2006.09.17 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jemma Talcot
Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37
Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
minmater need extra slot to store their band-aids and duct-tape they use to keep their garbage cans . . er .. a ships flying.
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.17 22:53:00 -
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Actually the picture about the pony summed up the content of the thread pretty well. No, you can't have one extra slot.
Grow up. Some people seem like they want to whine untill there is no variaty at all.
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