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Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37 Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:15:00 - [2] Shh. (this has been mentioned before, but nobody seemed to know why it was like that - nor wanted it changed )
Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:18:00 - [3] Originally by: inSpirAcy Shh. (this has been mentioned before, but nobody seemed to know why it was like that - nor wanted it changed ) Can the next decent amarr ship get an extra slot above everything else next then? We could use some love, maybe when amarr t2 geddon is out give us an extra slot, surely ccp wont mind, they did it for minmitar, do it for amarr too!
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Jemma Talcot Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37 Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo. because its about time minmater got a ship or two that realy realy realy showed how damn good we realy are and that every other race should STFU. -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:19:52 Originally by: VeNT Originally by: Jemma Talcot Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:13:37 Why does the Sleipner have 18 slots overall, between hi/mid/lo, the Absolution, Astarte and Nighthawk each have 17 slots. Why does the Sleipner have an extra slot, is it special? I've noticed each class of ships has an equal number of slots overall, divided between hi/mid/lo. because its about time minmater got a ship or two that realy realy realy showed how damn good we realy are and that every other race should STFU. Very constructive, could you say why minmatar deserve a ship that gets an extra slot whilst all the other races have the proper amount of slots?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:20:00 - [6] Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26 Originally by: Jim McGregor Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others. Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"? Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:23:00 - [8] Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS. Their Recon ships have a target painting bonus, while we have the awesome Curse and Pilgrim. Have some pity on them.
Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:24:30 Originally by: inSpirAcy Well don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Amarrian pilot. But the devs aren't going to remove the extra slot now that the Sleipnir has it, and I don't mind if our Minmatar friends have a sneaky slot on their CS. Their Recon ships have a target painting bonus, while we have the awesome Curse and Pilgrim. Have some pity on them. We have the apoc, which is best fitted with minmatar guns because it sucks so hard, whilst they have the awesome Tempest, they should have pity on us, curse is nothing in comparison.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:26:00 - [10] Well, my attempts at injecting a little humour to defuse the situation are clearly failing in the face of someone who takes the game a little too seriously. So I'll just leave you with the harsh truth: it's not going to change. No patch will ever appear which says "The Sleipnir has had a slot pulled". Ever. See, wasn't the humourous approach more friendly and fun?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:27:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:28:51 Originally by: Jemma Talcot Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:22:26 Originally by: Jim McGregor Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others. Sleipner is already one of the best, i hear plenty about how amazing it is, which other field command ships is it that you are refering to when you say "as good as the others"? Then add a gist large shield booster into the equation, and suddenly we have the a godly field command ship? Cool, so minmatar get the best hac, and the best field command ship. Like they need an extra slot. Hehe, as much as I love when people call minmatar ships "the best" and even "godly", I cant really agree with you there. Maybe if you bring some facts to the table instead of just "what you hear". :) By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jemma Talcot	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:27:00 - [12] Edited by: Jemma Talcot on 17/09/2006 14:27:40 It gets even worse, we have the zealot and the absolution, zealot has 4 turret slots, its counterparts, the deimos and the vagabond have 5, then the absolution, 6 turret slots, its counterparts have 7 turret slots, why do amarr get one less turret hardpoint? Arn't we supposed to be the kings tank and gank? Yeah right.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim McGregor By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :) IIRC, +1 more than others. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:32:42 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :) IIRC, +1 more than others. Yeah true. One more than AMARR too. :) Minmatar is the new I-win race actually, but its still a secret to most players out there... </irony> :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others. winner I general any Minm ship that isnt really fast is second rate. Other than the horribly flawed NightHawk the Sliepner isnt especially good compared to other CSs, I would say its about even. Wherever you went - here you are.
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 14:32:42 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor By the way, the Cyclone has one more slot than the Brutix too. Tuxford hates everybody except minmatar you know. :) IIRC, +1 more than others. Yeah true. One more than AMARR too. :) Minmatar is the new I-win race actually, but its still a secret to most players out there... </irony> :) Shhhhhh.... dont tell everyone. Ship lovers click here
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:55:00 - [17] Yes, because the tech2 sniper apoc with tac's is something to laugh at, you know, till it hits you. Anyway, I've been flying my Sleip for a while, and she's a pretty decent ship, a little too slow but other than that ok. Now my friends Absolution is scarier, ouchy. As for HACs, the Zealot does just fine with 4 turrets, with 5 it would be godly. Curse and Pilgrim are awesome ships as well. My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:56:00 - [18] OH NO!!!!!!!!!
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim McGregor Probably because it needs it to be as good as the others. I'd agree except that the sleipnir is hands down the best field command atm and that extra slot is not the reson. To answer the OPs question, the Sleipnir has 1 more slot than the rest of the field commands because the cyclone has 1 more slot than the rest of the BC. When they added the Field commands ships they simply gave each of them 1 more slot than their coresponding BC.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Mortuus My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship. Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 14:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist. I had enough trouble fitting a solid tank to the Cyclone with five mids. Don't drop one.
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:01:00 - [22] Sleipnir has more mid/lows than the Cyclone because they couldn't add another highslot. Highslots where you cant fit a primary weapon are worth less than a middle or lowslot.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/09/2006 15:02:51 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Mortuus My guess as to why the extra slot? Because without it it would be a worthless ship. Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist. I agree with the change to the sleipner however what you suggest would make the already gimpy cyclone even more gimpy. If the objective is to ballance the number of slots on each ship in a class (barring drone ships) then there is other ways to go about changing the cyclone than simply removing a mid. I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point. Do that and the cyclone would become a contender to the brutix for close range combat (as I feel it should be). As for caldari being the mid slot specialist, why do they have to be? The Ferox needs substantial changes and maybee removing a low for a mid and adding another turret hardpoint is the answer, who knows.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:10:00 - [25] Cyclone gimped? I think it rocks. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 17/09/2006 15:12:26 Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe I'd say remove a low slot on the cyclone, give it another mid slot, remove a high slot and give it another turret hard point. The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid, --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.
Swamp Ziro Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:12:00 - [27] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Not really. Sleipner and Cyclone need one slot removed. I think most agree to -1 low slot but I prefer -1 mid-slot because I believe Caldari should be mid-slot specialist. I had enough trouble fitting a solid tank to the Cyclone with five mids. Don't drop one.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Jim McGregor Cyclone gimped? I think it rocks. :) To each his own . However I have yet to find a cyclone that can even come remotly close to taking down my brutix. Shield tanked cyclones = die fast, ecm cyclones = crappy damage.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:15:00 - [29] Everyone who thinks this thread will make Tuxford change the ships, raise your hand... :) Come on, this thread is just for entertainment value... just like most other threads in this channel. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire The point is Cyclone and Sleipner have +1 more slots than any other battlcruiser. To be honest, might as well ask Tux for an "I Win" module on them if you want -1 low and +1 on mid, For a fast shield tanking ship, the Cyclone just can't fit what it needs. You end up with a shield booster, EM hardener, Invul hardener, a shield boost amp (or that bonus goes to waste) and you've one slot left to choose between a cap injector, speed mod and web. You really need the last two to actually hit anything with ACs, although one could argue that Nos counters the need for an injector. The thing has redundant lows (I always end up with a nanofiber in that last slot), too many highs (IMO) and a CPU limitation so tight you'll never end up with an EW problem with any semblance of a tank.

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