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JabJabVVV
The Four Aces
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:26:00 -
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I live in 0.0 very close to an angel 8/10 complex in the south of eve, it may come as no surprise to you that this is regularly camped by a certain well known group of Russians. I do not blame them for camping the 'plex' in this manner and I am not going to criticise them for it, it is a very good way of making money. What I will try to address, however, are the game mechanics that allow them to make billions of isk a day with little or no risk.
I cannot speak for other complexes as I have little experience of them, however I can speak for the angel 8/10 with some authority. At down time the complex is reset and the key holder spawns, it is essential to kill this key holder and claim his key in order to run the complex. So if you can get on immediately as the servers come up then you can claim the key and run the complex, the key holder will then not respawn until the following downtime so if you use the key then you are completely safe in the final level. You can then farm the final building (who drops the valuable loot) to your hearts content until the next downtime with typical takings from a days farming being in the order of 1-3 billion isk. So to clarify: The period of vulnerability for the campers is around 3-5 minutes per day as soon as the servers come up, the quietest time, if you aren't able to be on at this time (and that includes most European (during the week) and American time zones) then the complex might as well not exist, you certainly will never get to run it.
The solutions then have to:
- Make the complex much harder to farm
- Make the complex more accessible to other players at different time zones
- Make complex farmers more vulnerable, remove the no pain all gain situation that we have at the moment.
The two solutions that I consider to be the best (assuming removing 0.0 complexes all together is not an option) are:
Remove the key holder and decrease the spawn rate of the final building but increase the consistency of the drops (at the moment they are worth anywhere from 40 million to 500 million and over). This would make the complex much harder to farm as you would have to fight to keep control of the plex as without a key holder a hostile force can enter at any time and so to run the plex on a regular basis you would have to properly control the area not just be able to achieve local dominance for 5 minutes after down time.
Or
0.0 Complex control is determined by sovereignty. This would certainly lead to some fierce battles to control the complexes and may add another dimension to eve.
any ideas welcome, especially experiance with other complexes.
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NOObbody
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:35:00 -
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Maybe make the keyholder spawn at random times? So you have a chance to fight the waiting group, befor they can enter.
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Garia666
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:38:00 -
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its very different with 6/10 It spawns way more often and people make way more isk from a 6/10 then a 10/10..
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:42:00 -
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did they say they would do something about deepspace? heard that missions runners will never be safe anymore
in that case, your problem would be solved (and astrometrics book price gonna skyrocket :p )
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JabJabVVV
The Four Aces
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:49:00 -
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Maybe make the keyholder spawn at random times? So you have a chance to fight the waiting group, befor they can enter.
I thought about this but as far as I can see it still encourages the camping mentality unless the key respawn is increased to a very high rate (in which case you might as well do away with the key holder altogether). If the key respawns (randomly) once a day then if you get that key you can camp the plex exclusively for many hours. Even if it respawns 4 or 5 times a day you can still camp the plex between spawns and make up to perhaps a billion isk. Plex control will still be determined by who has local superiority for the 5 minutes after the key respawns, while it may be better than the current situation I feel that it is not the best solution.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:50:00 -
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Hopefully this type of situation will be fixed, or attempted to be fixed, in Revelations with the new exploration system - thing is though, I don't know if they're going to be making all complexes 100% random and taking out all static ones, or intermingling the two. That being said, I agree, make it random or soverignty controlled.
One quick addendum - we need to make soverignty mean something other than a pretty shade of your color on the map; complex control, static defenses (within reason ofc), and gate controls are all possibilities here that would make territory even more valuable.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:54:00 -
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i allready made a post about how i dislike the ueber safespot those ra dudes have after entering stage 3 of the 8/10 plexes. as i was scouting arround the scalding pass/greate wildlans lately it seems that probably 90% of all complexes are camped by ra and associated corps. i so much wish to be able to engage them inside the plex and kick some serious ass:) removing keys leaving the plex open for everyone would be a damn nice idea!
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Garia666
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:57:00 -
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Mabe you have to make it so that 1 char could do it just once a day.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
HelpCorp United
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:57:00 -
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Kick their ass before they enter the complex.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:59:00 -
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kicking theyre ass bevore they enter the plex is impossible cause im at work at this time:)
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Adoro
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:01:00 -
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Hm solution, get a even bigger gang and camp there after DT...
DT is in the afternoon for most european people. No problem to kick their arses everyday. Do this 1 week and they wont return so fast ;)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
HelpCorp United
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Adoro
Hm solution, get a even bigger gang and camp there after DT...
DT is in the afternoon for most european people. No problem to kick their arses everyday. Do this 1 week and they wont return so fast ;)
Yeah.
You may not be up, but you're in an alliance, right?
Get your pals to go in there and show them some muscle.
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JabJabVVV
The Four Aces
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:09:00 -
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Kick their ass before they enter the complex.
This is possible when properly planned however it still excludes the vast majority of eve players. Most Europeans (except those in the far east of Europe, guess which country that is (no prizes)) are at work as downtime ends and most Americans are either in bed or getting ready for work. So if you are geographically fortunate you will have a huge advantage over those who are not. I do not think CCP intended this to be the case.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:18:00 -
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thats exactely what i mean. i would engage them everyday for the next 2 months if just be able to log in at this time! (hope the finally allow me to install the eve client at work:)
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Onin Ra
Trail of Tears
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:19:00 -
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Whaaaa Whaaaa 
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First pvp expirience in eve is alot like having first sex, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing, but it is exciting and one way or another its over way too fast.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.18 12:33:00 -
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nice work ccp
screwing with empire misson runners, and you let the 0.0 complexes be used up like this.
little lopsided dont ya think
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Nakatah
Caldari
Lazor Monkeys
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:02:00 -
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I agree very much, i normally dont get home until 3-4 hours after downtime so i can only run plex's on the weekends.
Control plex entry by sov- means in an alliance situation you can reserve the complex for when you get home :)
It will also be nice having pos fights over plex systems aswell as station systems, it will change how alliances make decisions of where they use there pos resources.
Nak
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Makmakis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:06:00 -
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yes we all know its lop sided however i can see the problem for CCP they have this down time when i am asumeing is when most of there server people are at work or avalible , hence this is the best time for a server down time , and hence a reset
comments like Welldone CCP you screwed things up are not helpful
but i think we are all in agreement apart from Russians it need to be changed
sov and random reset times are good
plex would be fought over finally instead of just a log on battle for
getting in the plex
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:11:00 -
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I think the point of the thread isnt who runs it, but the fact that whoever does it is completely secure once theyre in the last level.
And the last keyholder, as opposed to in other complexes like the 10/10 which spawns twice a day, spawns about hourly last i checked.
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Anna Mai
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Makmakis
yes we all know its lop sided however i can see the problem for CCP they have this down time when i am asumeing is when most of there server people are at work or avalible , hence this is the best time for a server down time , and hence a reset
comments like Welldone CCP you screwed things up are not helpful
but i think we are all in agreement apart from Russians it need to be changed
sov and random reset times are good
plex would be fought over finally instead of just a log on battle for
getting in the plex
Sov is a very bad idea, not more reasons for pos wars, and why should you need sov to enter a complex? It's not YOUR complex, its the pirate faction that own the complex.
There are complexes in game that dont require keys for most levels, this problem does not occur in those complexes.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:20:00 -
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Good point. Why is there a "key" at all?
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:21:00 -
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I've said it many times, and fail to see any reason this solution is not only fair to all but removes the favortism the DT currently holds for the euro players.
Keyholder (KH) respawns at a set time based on death of keyholder only. Remove DT reset of comlexes.
The time of KH death is in the DB and is referenced until the timer has reached its set time span, then the field is reset.
This allows all to use a plex, no sploiters can camp it for the post DT runs.
No favortism shown to ANYONE this way.
DT has no effect on respawns this way.
All players in the area would then have a shot at the plex.
CCP would no longer bee seen as kissing the lower rear area of the euro players anatomy...☺
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Anna Mai
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
I think the point of the thread isnt who runs it, but the fact that whoever does it is completely secure once theyre in the last level.
And the last keyholder, as opposed to in other complexes like the 10/10 which spawns twice a day, spawns about hourly last i checked.
What keyholder in what complex spawns hourly?
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Mai
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
I think the point of the thread isnt who runs it, but the fact that whoever does it is completely secure once theyre in the last level.
And the last keyholder, as opposed to in other complexes like the 10/10 which spawns twice a day, spawns about hourly last i checked.
What keyholder in what complex spawns hourly?
The keyholder (Technicly not the keyholder but the final overseer) of the complex this entire thread is about?
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:30:00 -
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Make the plex move daily.
Theres no reason it should be in one system only. Let it spawn anywhere in a constellation on a given day.
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Anna Mai
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Anna Mai
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
I think the point of the thread isnt who runs it, but the fact that whoever does it is completely secure once theyre in the last level.
And the last keyholder, as opposed to in other complexes like the 10/10 which spawns twice a day, spawns about hourly last i checked.
What keyholder in what complex spawns hourly?
The keyholder (Technicly not the keyholder but the final overseer) of the complex this entire thread is about?
So the final overseer of the 8/10 angel complex spawns every hour?
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Alz Shado
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:38:00 -
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You know, you have it easy. Zuul had to wait until both the Keymaster and the Gatekeeper were in position before she could enter the New York City complex and spawn Gozer.
I hear she got WTFBBQed at the last stage though.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:43:00 -
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erm its in 0.0, its nowhere near a safe way to make easy ISK if people can be bothered to try and shift them.
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Outro
Caldari
Lazor Monkeys
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:46:00 -
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Make the plex move daily.
That will change nothing for the people who cannot log in just after DT. I think sov controll is a great idea. It will give the most powerfull force in the area access, not the ones that can log in the fastest after DT.
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Anna Mai
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:46:00 -
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If its true the final overseer spawns every hour then shouldn't ccp lower the respawn rate? If this is true, thats means people could kill him about 23 times a day, and make a possible 10+ billion isk a day from loot?
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