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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:56:00 -
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lol SPVD and NVA are arguing with eachother so much, i can see them fighting, i suspect Biomass might get away with last nights attack , as they are to busy with eachoter LOL
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:57:00 -
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Viceroy, you were making out there was some karmic payback in existance while you knew full well you wanted tti out so that SPVD wouldn't carry "the burden of defeat".
Even you have to admit that was some mealy-mouthed nonsense you were spouting.
Now I don't care about SPVD corp policy, I do care about you claiming we got karmic payback for an upfront vote that *you* supported for heavens sake.
Thats hypocrisy m'dear
Which ever way you spin it.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:58:00 -
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lol she didnt even notice my post, its looking good, guys we might still get away with it
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:00:00 -
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lol she didnt even notice my post, its looking good, guys we might still get away with it
.....oink......
*thud* *thud* *thud* *thud*
They still aint flying yet then...
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 -
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Well im trully sorry for your loss NVA.
Being stabbed in the back seems to be trait of Biomass tactics.
We hpe the NVA only get stronger from this.
And as you know would always have my support.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 -
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Hanns, I'll honest with you ... you guys are certainly our enemies but you have guts and commitment and are not afraid to fight. I don't hold last night against you chaps at all. You made a clever plan and executed it very well.
The blame and hatred falls on our traitors who betrayed their friends.
NVA is still at war with Biomass so its never going to be a love-fest, but I can respect a cunning military manouver...
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:03:00 -
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to Jade,
I dont deny my personal dislike for TTI, but while they were lousy at combat there were other advantages. And we did benefit from that, as did other VA members.
About karma, well it never hurts to have some kind of belief in this cold hearted universe.
I hope you didn't take it personal, if you did I'll send some Quaff to make up for it.
This is not a hijack
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:08:00 -
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Viceroy, you were making out there was some karmic payback in existance while you knew full well you wanted tti out so that SPVD wouldn't carry "the burden of defeat".
Even you have to admit that was some mealy-mouthed nonsense you were spouting.
Now I don't care about SPVD corp policy, I do care about you claiming we got karmic payback for an upfront vote that *you* supported for heavens sake.
Thats hypocrisy m'dear
Which ever way you spin it.
You got exactly what you gave SI, you betrayed your friends, you got betrayed by your friends. TTI deserved to be kicked out of the VA imo, because they didnt pull their weight, but SI didnt deserve to be backstabbed. Same as NVA probably didnt deserve to be backstabbed while Biomass pulled a Nova on them. thats it 
So once again, fight the forum war all you want, i've stated the situation and i dont see any point in continuing.
So, again, cya ingame 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:22:00 -
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Lianhaun, the "benefits" of tti membership were always there for SPVD, I know. The problem was they were not for the rest during the FA/VA war, hence the motion to remove them (even though it failed). But these arguments have whirled around a thousand times and more on these boards. Thats why I am disappointed to see you parroting a discredited position that the huge majority of Eve has seen exposed as lies and spurious fallacy.
Nobody seriously doubts what went on in the build up to war.
Its all pretty much public record.
For you and Viceroy and Molly/Sally/Whatever to go on about TTi and SPVD being "backstabbed" is a sad joke and it makes you look very foolish indeed.
I quoted the Viceroy chat because he was claiming a moral high ground he had no right too.
The truth is SPVD wanted TTi gone too but they also wanted out of the FA ejection demand. They asked me to negotiate for them with the FA. I got a deal which allowed them to stay on the condition they ceased PB and Venal piracy. At the time some of the SPVD leaders said they could live with that (they intended to go elsewhere to pirate).
Yet when it came to the vote SPVD had been bought out in advance by Ragnar (as is certainly suggested by the inclusion of the Space Invader name on Ragnar's infamous declaration).
After the event, SPVD justified this very real "betrayal" and "backstab" of the loyal VA corps with the "toys out of pram" cry "wah! wah! we can't pirate in PB any more you must have betrayed us!"
Really, your corp mates need to grow up and realise there are consequences to losing a war.
The consequence here was that SPVD lose the right to pirate in 2 regions.
That was the compromise I managed to get for them.
Can you seriously wonder why I am annoyed and irritated to here SPVD voices a couple of months down the line claiming we sold *them* out when the buggers were too busy taking Ragnar's thirty pieces of silver while the voting took place?
Honestly, piracy is one thing, but the hypocrisy of this stinks.
I prefer the honest villainy of Biomass .. they may be cads and brigands, but they don't stab you up and then try to stick you with a personal damages claim for repetitive strain injury!
If I seem short Lianhaun its because the virtual hallways or this forum are think with the corpses of pointless alts and numpty muppets that have made the claims that you and Viceroy mouthed today.
Never has any inkling of this ever held water, it still doesn't.
The simple truth is SPVD wanted to pirate.
FA wanted to eject SPVD and TTI.
I got a deal excluding SPVD in exchange for no pirating in PB and Venal.
The vote on the TTI ejection ended in TTI favour and the war continuing.
The VA corps were united in fighting to the last.
*BUT*
Behind the scenes Ragnar and the SPVD management had agreed to betray the rest and published a declaration to that effect.
Thats simple fact Lianhaun.
Admit it and move on.
Setec said it best when he admitted to me that SPVD should never have got involved in politics.
I couldn't agree more
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:24:00 -
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I don't understand what the latter part of this thread has to do with anything that happened last night. I don't think the NVA's main concern is SI right now anyway, our fleet size is usually not large enough to accomplish what they did, we try to do the best with what we have.
I'd honestly be more concerned with the two fairly large, well funded, PvP proficient corporations with fleets in Alliance space. Both corporations hate us, they aren't doing it on our behalf...hell we'd get blasted too if we came up there. Why is a debate persisting about events that really make no difference now?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:29:00 -
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Its a point of principle Archain; having spent two months and hundreds of millions of isk and tens of thousands of words proving the right in the Venal war. I couldnt' let Viceroy get away with re-writing history so cheaply.
You are right,
It has nothing to do with what happened last night.
But Viceroy couldn't resist the urge to sit on a high horse that has now bucked and upended him in a dung heap next to Hupa and Terra Nova.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:30:00 -
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Viceroy had nothing to do with SI's relationship with the VA, or with TTi, and he also wasn't in the council chats. He's a nutbar, and shouldn't be allowed a position of power.
Despite all the other crap that was flying around at the time, the only thing that stuck in my memory was that we were negotiated out of the 'Leave VA/Venal/PB' vote, only to then be re-introduced in the 'no more piracy in Venal/PB' vote. *That* was the 'hour' you talk about. And yes, we did agree to it initially, because we didn't see, or predict the follow-up vote.
What is the difference between being thrown out of venal/PB, and being told we can't do 'what we do' in venal/PB? Other than wording, it amounts to the same thing.
And I believe that's what this thread-hijack was about. Not our individual members attitudes towards TTi, as that was largely irrelevant.
And Jade, before you multi-quote me, try to think up a way we could have continued pirating in Venal/PB with the restrictions you agreed to.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/10/2003 19:03:39
You couldn't Drunken.
Its called the price of a negotiated ceasefire.
VA were losing the war.
The ceasefire proposal dictated an end to PB and Venal piracy and ejection of TTi and SPVD as the cost for the other VA corps.
These terms were made available to the VA.
SPVD asked me to try to get them removed.
I did, but the no-piracy in PB and Venal requirement was non-negotiable.
Its that simple.
The was only one vote.
And that vote was about ejecting tti and accepting the terms.
The vote failed.
Ergo FA were told "war is still on".
Then TTi and SPVD betrayed the VA corps who had voted against them.
What is so complicated about this Drunken?
Its all on record.
The price of ceasefire is that your corp couldn't go pirating in PB and Venal any more.
That was offered as an alternative to not being able to do *anything* in PB and Venal because there were FA fleets all over those regions.
Its about negotiation
Its about war
Its about consequences
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 22/10/2003 17:08:51
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I have heard some differing reports from your pirate allies? And also M3G4 were less than impressed with your participation in the Taggart war. You might have "supported" them with words in the forum but you didn't do jack s-hit in the combat theatre.
No actually we didnt support m3g4 at all, because they tended to be untrustworthy, attacking allies etc. resulting in the disbanding of the Northern alliance, and later their own corp.
And we didnt really fight the venal civil war either, we left venal after you backstabbed us, and continued to pirate in empire space and other regions. We figured that we had fought enough for Venal, and it was time to return to piracy.
What crap. Name one specific time we let you guys down. You can't think of any because you guys never showed up to the party to begin with.
Don't spread lies about us being untrustworthy. WE DON'T TRUST ANYONE, so when we form a relationship with a group---we mean it. When you screw up your end of the deal, you deserve to be dead; and you guys fit this definition of the code. I think we should have ganked you guys after day one of not showing up. It took us months to get to the point we are now with SPVD and this was after SPVD would attack our ships and claim 'oh---we didn't recognize your tag' or whatever crap.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:17:00 -
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Hi this is Stavros...
After careful consideration of the relevant facts and detailed discussion on irc, we have decided Eve would be much better minus one Jade the drag queen. omg your a dude lol rotflmao kthxbye.
also why do u keep saying m'dear? its not french, its not gallente its not rp... I mean I rp'ed better than that, I mean comeon really....
TTFN all!
Hey, guess what Stav! Your not really a pirate either!  Must shock your world, doesn't it 
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:48:00 -
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Hanns, I'll honest with you ... you guys are certainly our enemies but you have guts and commitment and are not afraid to fight. I don't hold last night against you chaps at all. You made a clever plan and executed it very well.
The blame and hatred falls on our traitors who betrayed their friends.
NVA is still at war with Biomass so its never going to be a love-fest, but I can respect a cunning military manouver...
LOL Hanns...she said LOVE. Me thinks the girl is tired of the toy soldiers she consorts with and really yearns for us scoundrels. You know what they say about love and hate sharing a thin line...
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:18:00 -
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manouver...
typo.... O.o Jade u beginning to slack... stress must be getting to you O.o
*The warp you are doing is preventing you from activating your 250 prototype muzzle...*
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:46:00 -
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Does anyone else scroll right past Jade Constantine's multiple page replies?
I'd like to thank the man who invented the scroll button mouse.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:47:00 -
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Exactly, Jade, we couldn't.
What would be the point of us being in the VA if we weren't allowed to work within 2 regions of it?
Thats banishment, plain and simple.
I never expected you to be saying something was non-negotiable either, after all, you are a negotiator, you negotiate as much as we pirate.
But despite your claimed efforts to help keep a gang of pirates in your alliance, you then went totally, rabidly anti-pirate, as if you never even supported us two days before. I wonder what would have happened had we decided to stick with you...
would you have killed us in our sleep to appease your new masters, had they asked you to?
[edit:I wrote about twice as much, but due to in-game circumstances, I pressed escape on the wrong keyboard, and lost it all, this is the foreshortened version]
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 00:11:00 -
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Drunken.
Is it something in the Space Invader water supply that means you guys are unable to understand that losing wars have unpleasant consequences?
And as to why the NVA went anti-pirate, sheesh, lets think shall we?
Could it be that Ragnar formed a pirate alliance to enforce the edicts of the magic hat?
Maybe.
As for what had happened if you hadn't betrayed us, well, who knows?
What ifs and maybes are games for poets and lovers ... what is done is done, you made your choice. You chose Ragnar's way.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 00:15:00 -
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Does anyone else scroll right past Jade Constantine's multiple page replies?
If you scroll past anything long that I write mr Amon you must be very confused in regard to what this thread is about.
(the first post was hardly short)
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mark A on 23/10/2003 02:08:02
This story just runs and runs, huh? 
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And as to why the NVA went anti-pirate, sheesh, lets think shall we?
Could it be that Ragnar formed a pirate alliance to enforce the edicts of the magic hat?
Maybe.
I always assumed it was pressure from Evo/FA. In fact didn't you say that earlier, ie that an end to the VA's piratey ways was part of the terms of the FA peace deal? Which of course pre-dates whatever Ragnar/SI did in response.
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As for what had happened if you hadn't betrayed us, well, who knows?
I guess it came down to the same thing for Ragnar and the SI leadership, ie how one reacts to a significant number of corps voting to boot you from your own alliance at the request of your enemies. You can see how that would be irksome, surely...
So was the backstabbing the VA council even holding a vote to boot SI? (assuming "no pirating" is the same thing if you're an out-and-out pirate corp). Or was it SI's pre-emptive military response given how they regarded that the vote even took place? You decide, m'dears...
Oh and P.S. could the conspiracy theorists please decide if they are villifying the ghost of Ragnar because a) he wasn't giving isk/ships to SI, or b) he was giving isk/ships to SI, both of which appear above ;).
But anyway, don't you guys have a war to fight atm?  That would seem the real issue surely...
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:16:00 -
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This plan never sat well with me, I’d have had no problem attacking if we had left first but to change sides mid battle is underhanded and a terrible way to treat allies.
Effective immediately I resign from Terra Nova and will not be joining my ex-corp m8’s in Biomass.
Sorry NVA
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smeegle
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:40:00 -
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I'm sure i saw somewhere in this thread the suspicion that SI were TTI alts.
All i can say is whoohoot, we somehow got great at PvP combat. i knew i'd been practising
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/10/2003 02:46:57
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This plan never sat well with me, IĘd have had no problem attacking if we had left first but to change sides mid battle is underhanded and a terrible way to treat allies.
Effective immediately I resign from Terra Nova and will not be joining my ex-corp m8Ęs in Biomass.
Sorry NVA"
Thank you Limpy Bint, it is nice to know that some of the Terra Nova fighters we counted friends have the honour to distance themselves from this appalling treachery.
And you have the right of it,
If Hupa had left in honesty and honour and then returned as a Biomass ally, then the name of Terra Nova would not have been so comprehensively trashed and doomed to the graveyard of puling curs henceforth.
But thanks again for your words.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.23 08:58:00 -
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What is the bottom line cost or treachery?
Is it having to live with the guilt?
Is it the loss of assets that yor enemies will reak upon you, empowered by the sense of betrayal?
Is it the fear, theat you will be forced to live under, for around every corner revenge could be waiting?
No, it is simply this, as Jade points out, The Terra corps name, is now mud, worth nothing in 99% of the Eve universe, never will they be trusted by any reputable corp again.
What a waste, what a shame. I wander how many members are still willing to side with a name that is now synominous with cowardly scum. I am guessing not many.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:25:00 -
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I try not to read Jades post due to the fact im out of asprin. Jade I cant wait to run into you or your goonie friends. From what I hear your carbear ways have made all you crappy pilots. Fear not your end is very near for you and the NVA or whats left of it..... Please add me to your KIA list.
Hupa rock on!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/10/2003 09:42:16
Dontius Tarris
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Jade I cant wait to run into you or your goonie friends. From what I hear your carbear ways have made all you crappy pilots.
You sir, are a prize numpty!
(hint read the other press release from the NVA on this forum to read about Hupa, Terra Nova, and their "winning ways".)
Love and peace
(PS ... you need a corp to get onto the KOS list)
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 23/10/2003 09:53:52
Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 23/10/2003 09:45:11
What your bragging about that . Jade you must be joking.. Well hell i can see why your proud of that since what you got is just a fraction of what you lost the other day .... Jade hony, You got rocked & I have a feeling more is comming your way .
Oh yea Im a proud member of the Biomass Cartel look us up sometime!
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preach you dont have anything of mine, and you've gained nothing important.
Biomass 12(4 BS 8 Cruisers)
NVA 1 (Indy)
I think that says it all . And get real that stuff wasnt evan worth 200 mil good greif!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.23 10:21:00 -
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The NVA people got what they deserve.
Well done.
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