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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:19:00 -
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The New Venal Alliance was rocked some hours ago by the treachery of CEO Hupa of Terra Nova Corporation [NOVA].
The circumstances of this action are now being examined by NVA councillors and corporations alike, but the permanent facts are as follows;
A raiding party of Biomass Cartel warships entered NVA territory in hostile array, setting course for Venal proper and the capital systems of Y-4 and 6NJ.
Ready on the scene Hupa took responsibility for leading the defence and quickly assembled a mixed force of Terra Nova and assorted NVA vessels.
Over a tense period of waiting the friendly combat fleet grew to a respectable size although many captains reported that Hupa was slow to issue invitations and reticent to offer tactical advice in channel.
Finally the Biomass fleet entered the 6NJ system, moving directly towards the waiting NVA fleet with mysterious unerring accuracy.
Battle was joined, and immediately the Terra Nova ships flashed to hostile status to the NVA gang members and revealed themselves as filthy traitors to the NVA cause.
But though the stars themselves were shocked at the depths of this blatant villainy, the result of the encounter was never in doubt, and bolstered by the two-faced strength of the Terra Nova turncoats, the Biomass fleet swiftly obliterated the weakened NVA opposition.
Terra Nova then joined Biomass in earnest for a riot of raiding and pillage and miscellaneous brigandry, while the NVA members watched in stunned disbelief at the turn of events unfolding before their astonished eyes.
Many ships were annihilated by these false-friends striking like craven thieves with low cunning raised-up in poor substitute to the courage revered by better men and truer friends elsewhere in space.
And while the NVA fleet response was dashed in chaos, so too the communications and channel protocols employed by the alliance; Hupa had given good service for his thirty pieces of silver and had sat up and begged on his hindlegs for the traitorÆs supper, providing Biomass with all NVA codes and passwords and inviting gloating raiders into the company that once heÆd shared with friends and allies alike.
So an evening of disaster and chaos and massacre for the NVA; truly we lost a lot of ships and our alliance was struck a hard blow by a hideous betrayer.
And why?
Well, Hupa was too full of gloating and pompous self-aggrandising to give a pertinent response, but the evidence is clear enough.
Terra Nova had for weeks argued strongly for a total rejection of the NVA Declaration of Principles and an immediate return to the old VA ways of piracy and wanton murder.
Hupa was ôboredö with democracy and open government. He wanted the freedom to levy tolls and murder whomsoever he chose.
And like all small-minded ignorant men he grew annoyed and frustrated whenever his clumsy attempts to derail formal political process were prevented, and as the NVA formalised its lawful constitution and codes of conduct, Hupa drew up plans with Biomass to launch a counter revolution and raise a vast wave of support for a return to ôpirate venalö as a heartland of easy murder and gate-camping dues.
We understand the final deal was struck with Biomass some days ago; and Hupa expected to be joined in his treachery by some half-dozen NVA corps who were (apparently) ôswayedö by his rhetoric and vision as a ôpirate emperorö, and quest to rule a dozen systems from his seat at Y-4.
For their part the Biomass Cartel probably found HupaÆs vainglorious delusions an amusing means to an end; for they certainly have no love for the NVA and the corporations that booted them unceremoniously from the region at the close of the Taggart war.
So what now?
Hupa and Terra Nova have abandoned their honour and become traitors to their former friends, but there certainly hasnÆt been a mass uprising of pro ôpirate venalö corps willing to make Hupa the ôvenal emperorö. One wonders if Hupa has been shopping at RagnarÆs magic hat shop, for his rather woe-begotten band of lazy combatants are hardly to the sort to fight a regional campaign in opposition to a standing fleet.
Indeed, Hupa himself was often heard to remark in NVA channels that the best prey was the helpless and the weak, because fighting seasoned warriors was ôtoo much like hard work.ö
So, goodbye Hupa and Terra Nova and welcome to the NVA KOS list;
Somewhere there must be a place for your dreams,
The universe is full of dungheaps after all.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:24:00 -
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I've no problems with Corps going pirate, and respecting that, but turning on former friends like that really grinds.
Anyway, job nicely done guys. Certainly an interesting twist in the tale.
Good luck to all sides over the next few days, see ya on the battlefield.
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TMX
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:41:00 -
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Zzzzz Hupa
I hope you like it, to be on my primary target list.
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TMX
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:42:00 -
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ow ya and welcome back BioMass / M3G4
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AnIntrepidCosmonaut
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:45:00 -
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Only one thing is worse than a pirate, a BACKSTABBING pirate.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:49:00 -
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So, first there was HitGirl planning a mass coupe, and now Hupa.
I have to say that I'm impressed with Hupa, must have been hard to plan this in such a succesfull way.
I'm curious Jade, will more people leave the NVA like this? Or are you sure you can prevent any more traitors?
This is not a hijack
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:01:00 -
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Lara Janoz
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:17:00 -
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History shows us, traitors like this have only very short life's.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:26:00 -
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Well hupa, I guess that was why you chose to hang around Jan so often in recent times. Would also explain why you didn't want Reikoku hanging around when you were camping. Also explains why you blew up my second in command.
Your lies explaining the accidental shootings never really sat well with me as you had given me a barraging for one of my own members firing a missile off only seconds before. However, I gave you the benefit of the doubt as you were an older NVA member. You can mock my fleet all you want, but if we lose 20 ships to one of your BS then it'll still be a cheap win for me. And believe me it will be worth it.
I hope you have fun as a pirate, camping gates with a fellow bunch of backstabbers.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 22/10/2003 10:40:54
A traitor ensures the wrath of all he betrayed, with such ferocity, as to make his betrayal no more than a signing of his own death warrant.
Biomass and there lap dogs will be out of venal very quickly, we all know they are no more than cowards. Tonight we shall see if they really have the stomach for a fight, I suspect this question was born and answered much earlier, in the days of Mega.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:42:00 -
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Yes we will certainly not show you in Terra Nova any mercy whatsoever.
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:46:00 -
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Perhaps we need to invent a new euphemism for backstabbing treachery:
You've been Venalled?
You've been NVA'd?
Seems like Venal is just a bubbling stew of jealousy and deceipt.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:23:00 -
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I can see the new upsurge of piratical violence as once again threatening the peace and stability of the galaxy. As atrocity mounts on atrocity I foresee new and stronger bonds between all galactic citizens being required to stamp out this menace.
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:46:00 -
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Biomass,terra Nova,Welcome to hell
A kos list you know will be dealt with!
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.10.22 12:49:00 -
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Yes, Tera Nova Will pay.
GG Tera Nova, any publicity that YOU had is now out the window. And i think you guys know what a bad mistake you made.
I would also like to know what other corps went down to your level.
Until then, you WILL NOT control Venal. And you are crazy if you think you will. I would also like to know how long you have been planing this. Only so I can have MORE motivation to kill you all.
Death awaits you. 
~WarElf
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.22 12:54:00 -
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 Quote:
Perhaps we need to invent a new euphemism for backstabbing treachery:
You've been Venalled?
You've been NVA'd?
Seems like Venal is just a bubbling stew of jealousy and deceipt.
Nahhh but the asshat spawns are impressive.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.10.22 12:59:00 -
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What is it with you Venalians that you can't keep your friends? Must be something in the water up there.
Jade,
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:13:00 -
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Biomass, the poor mans M3ga. And M3ga were hardly a threat. I predict this time next week you guys will be smacktalking from empire space again.
KIA needed a good war, now one landed on our doorstep. We shall see what you guys are made of, I'm thinking not much though tbh.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:13:00 -
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Never thought I would say this but...... Good F. Job BMass
Here, Only the silent survive.
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:38:00 -
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Now, I am sure Biomass are good at PVP Being pirates.
But you cannot say you "pwnt" us or owned us.
I mean, I was dampped by a Nova guy before you came in, of course i thought "I am sure he just made a mistake." but nooooo. Biomass, you are NOT gods. So before all of you come in and say "We smoked you" or wahtever, remember... We were dampped ect. before you even came in.
If it were a fair fight, or even a normal fight, i think we would have won. I now hate Nova more than Biomass... I am just glad i only lost a stupid BB that was insured. But to thoes who really lost something big, i hope they get their revenge, and i am sure they will.
If i were you guys, I would be leaving Venal right now.... But stay if you dare.
~WarElf
~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Archain on 22/10/2003 13:43:02
I can say that both Biomass and Terra Nova have substantial combat experience. As much as I'd like to say that I don't like them, I have to admit I respect the forces that each can muster on a moments notice. My last Scorpion was lost to Terra Nova forces/NVA. When it came to the defense of Venal I always saw them on the front lines.
This will be interesting to watch, Terra Nova was an awesome NVA defensive force (witnessed first hand) and Biomass are large and ruthless. On the other hand KIA, Occassus Republica, and Bladerunners don't give up. They have a pretty good record of standing their ground.
I hope both sides give us something to read about at work, you guys add content to this game and keep those news agencies in high demand.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:44:00 -
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Lack of trust is one thing. Lack of faith another. Treachery is the lowest action anyone can perorm. Biomass has been on the Curse Alliance KOS list, we now also add Terra Nova.
At this time I can oly offer the people of NVA my moral support, being somewhat occupied here in Curse. Stand tall NVA.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:11:00 -
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Lets see.
NVA got backstabbed and sold out by their allies.
Karma? 
Congrats on Terra Nova for backstabbing the NVA sellouts before they could backstab you. Excellent decision, good timing, perfect execution.
And i must say that i feel sorry for the NVA, because they obviously got sold out by backstabbers that they trusted and considered friends.
No wait, i dont feel sorry. All i can say is:
What goes around, comes around 
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Sequin
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sequin on 22/10/2003 14:23:11
While I can see why someone would want to leave the NVA if your goals did not match, this is digusting. Treachery is three steps lower than pirating. Congrats, your on my kos Terra Nova. I'll be seeing you.
Edit: Hmm does the nva's treason cancel out terras? Must ponder this.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:29:00 -
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I wish you hadn't pushed this Viceroy, but lets revisit our discussion on the eve of that great proto "karmic" upheveal shall we?
(And lets hear nothing else about SI getting on the high horse about ditching allies shall we?)
(A section of a longer chatlog, this is entirely unedited, the longer section includes some discussion about changing an infiltrated channel password and additional logistics - can be posted if I am challenged but better to be snappy)
Channelname: Viceroy conversation
Listener: Jade Constantine
Session started: 2003.08.31 14:02:49
[ 2003.08.31 14:38:27 ] Viceroy > goddamn TTI are realy ****s
[ 2003.08.31 14:38:44 ] Viceroy > they wouldnt do anything for BYOM or stuff until evo smacked them around
[ 2003.08.31 14:38:58 ] Viceroy > then they decided it was time to start helping the alliance out
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:06 ] Jade Constantine > they sold us down the river Vice
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:18 ] Jade Constantine > and were consistantly lying about their strength
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:28 ] Jade Constantine > they now have 30-40 active members
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:41 ] Jade Constantine > and can only field a handful of battleships
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:41 ] Viceroy > yes true
[ 2003.08.31 14:39:55 ] Viceroy > they're an empty can
[ 2003.08.31 14:40:00 ] Viceroy > making a lot of noise atm
[ 2003.08.31 14:40:03 ] Jade Constantine > for the last week they have been abandoning VA
[ 2003.08.31 14:40:17 ] Jade Constantine > and are happy to led the small VA corps carry the cost of the war
[ 2003.08.31 14:40:20 ] Viceroy > thats attracting the jackels
[ 2003.08.31 14:40:29 ] Viceroy > i totally agree
[ 2003.08.31 14:41:11 ] Jade Constantine > I challenged them to proportionally funding a VA defense budget
[ 2003.08.31 14:41:21 ] Jade Constantine > said Jericho would ante up 50m
[ 2003.08.31 14:41:30 ] Jade Constantine > if they would ante 500m
[ 2003.08.31 14:41:44 ] Jade Constantine > their directs called us bums looking for charity
[ 2003.08.31 14:41:57 ] Viceroy > well they can go to hell then
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:02 ] Viceroy > arrogant ****s
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:17 ] Jade Constantine > well yes .. **** them
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:31 ] Jade Constantine > Jericho has a bigger active fleet than they do
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:32 ] Viceroy > we should have never let them back into the alliance
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:37 ] Jade Constantine > and thats incredible
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:40 ] Viceroy > after they backstabbed us the last time
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:44 ] Viceroy > i said it then
[ 2003.08.31 14:42:52 ] Jade Constantine > yep ... we will do a lot better without them
[ 2003.08.31 14:43:04 ] Jade Constantine > and gain time to recruit some new corps and grow
[ 2003.08.31 14:43:26 ] Jade Constantine > the piracy thing is going to be difficult for a bit ... but I can see ways round it
[ 2003.08.31 14:44:03 ] Viceroy > just convince those evo *****s that we're not TTI alts
[ 2003.08.31 14:44:27 ] Viceroy > damn i hate negociating :)
[ 2003.08.31 14:46:41 ] Jade Constantine > yeah it does suck
[ 2003.08.31 14:46:48 ] Jade Constantine > but we need time and space to grow
[ 2003.08.31 14:47:07 ] Jade Constantine > FA are slightly tied by the anti piracy crusade
[ 2003.08.31 14:47:12 ] Jade Constantine > they need to show a win
[ 2003.08.31 14:47:30 ] Jade Constantine > mostly I'm suggesting TTI is the scalp they will finish with
[ 2003.08.31 14:47:57 ] Viceroy > yeah, dont let the burden of defeat fall on SI :)
[ 2003.08.31 14:48:15 ] Viceroy > just make it seem like TTI are the *****s
[ 2003.08.31 14:48:17 ] Viceroy > which they are
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:32:00 -
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lol xx Vice
TTi were never sold out, doesnt matter how many times you say it, it will never be the truth. They made their own fate the day they turned on the council for an honest vote. TTI were leading the forces of the Va to nothing but certain defeat and destruction of the small corps such as oursleves, whilst they sat pretty on top of thier piles of cash shilded by the cannon fodder they shied away from. The vote was to remove them temporarily whilst forces were rebuilt, that vote didnt get passed, as the majority of the VA corps sided to stand by TTI and see the war through to the end that would mean certain destruction for those corps. That is the reality of what happened.
The Ragnar used his pr skills to the max, and changed everyone mind in an instant, the rest is history.
My counscience is clean, there is no possible way Novas can be, they will pay hard for their moment of madness, they dont have the numbers or the determination of the NVA, and they aren't fuelled by a righteouss anger that consumes my corp right now, they will run when they take losses, we will stand firm till every BS/Cruiser/Frigate/Egg we have is lost.
War will be declared on both parties, and we shall see Nova and Bio corps go the same way as TTI, or we will die trying, this is my promise as CEO of KIA.
Lets get it on, we been bored recently anyways.
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Nasty Ways
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:33:00 -
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ouch. that must've hurt, viceroy...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:37:00 -
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Monsieur Sequin,
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While I can see why someone would want to leave the NVA if your goals did not match, this is digusting.
As can we, and we have seen some corps leave and leave honourably because they did not wish to be part of the regional alliance the NVA are making.
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Treachery is three steps lower than pirating. Congrats, your on my kos Terra Nova. I'll be seeing you.
It is the very lowest. Terra Nova sleep with the worms and crawl on their bellies now in the eyes of all honourable fighters.
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Edit: Hmm does the nva's treason cancel out terras? Must ponder this.
There are parellels but not in the way Space INvaders and Biomass have suggested.
Previously Ragnar reached for his guns after winning a democratic vote and destroying the council in his madmess.
Now Hupa and Terra Nova have abandoned the NVA after losing a democratic vote on the future direction of the NVA.
They wanted a return to "pirate venal" and because they were in a tiny minority and lost, chose instead to chase their aspiration with treachery and falsehood.
What we see is that lunatics and petty tyrants cannot handle the idea of voting; their own egos do not allow them to consider the concept of debating issues and accepting the will of the majority.
Love and peace
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:51:00 -
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(And lets hear nothing else about SI getting on the high horse about ditching allies shall we?)
Amen
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:52:00 -
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I cant really see anything wrong with that log. i didnt like TTI, i opposed the VA when they took them back into the alliance after they bailed on us during the first evo attack, but SI did support TTI so i did aswell.
They didnt pull their weight in the alliance imo, but SI did. We always supported the VA the best we could, we fought battles, hunted enemies, lost assets etc. and we got backstabbed.
When the opportunity rised to kick this "empty can that made a lot of noise" i supported it personally, because they didnt pull their weight.
But i'm not a member of TTI, i'm a member of SI, which gave FULL support to the VA and got backstabbed in return.
So my point is once again:
NVA got backstabbed by sell outs that they trusted as good allies and friends.
Just the way it happened to SI.
(And Jade, I was obviously mistaken when i thought you were above the level of disclosing personal conversations, so i trusted you when we talked. I guess i should have followed the rest of the mob when they said you were a "wet PR *****". its sad to see that you've fallen so low and discared personal honor in the name of your crap-full PR campaign)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:56:00 -
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Viceroy ... my rule on chatlogs is this;
Whats said stays schtum until somebody begins to claim that what was said was not said or begins to trade on hypocrisy.
You started condemning the NVA for ditching allies when we both knew full-well that you were totally fore kicking TTI.
Thats irritating.
I have no problem with SPVD pirating and doing what the hell they want just so long as individual members don't jump onto the high horse and claim their we honourable fighters who got backstabbed, or themselves condemned a past backstab.
I know what happened and so do you Viceroy.
Just don't push it when it comes to revisionism.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:03:00 -
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Hi this is Stavros...
After careful consideration of the relevant facts and detailed discussion on irc, we have decided Eve would be much better minus one Jade the drag queen. omg your a dude lol rotflmao kthxbye.
also why do u keep saying m'dear? its not french, its not gallente its not rp... I mean I rp'ed better than that, I mean comeon really....
TTFN all!
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:06:00 -
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How is stavros in the championship when he doesn't have an account:)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:07:00 -
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Viceroy
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I cant really see anything wrong with that log.
There is nothing wrong with that log, it shows you wanting to boot tti so that SI didn't carry "the burden of defeat"
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i didnt like TTI, i opposed the VA when they took them back into the alliance after they bailed on us during the first evo attack, but SI did support TTI so i did aswell.
No problems with that.
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They didnt pull their weight in the alliance imo, but SI did.
Agreed
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We always supported the VA the best we could, we fought battles, hunted enemies, lost assets etc.
Agreed
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and we got ]backstabbed
Strongly disagree. In fact we delayed an extra 24 hours to get FA to make an exception to the expulsion terms for SI. I was asked to negotiate for SPVD and I did, and I brought a compromise deal that your people seemed happy with until the final hour when you turned on us in council and supported Ragnar. (presumably because he had made a better offer)
Now that is a backstab. And claiming black is white now will never change the actual evidence that we have of SPVD behavior in this. You should have let it die. SPVD has no business claiming the high horse.
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When the opportunity rised to kick this "empty can that made a lot of noise" i supported it personally, because they didnt pull their weight.
But your leaders made a deal with Ragnar to turn on the rest.
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But i'm not a member of TTI, i'm a member of SI, which gave FULL support to the VA and got backstabbed in return.
No, by turning on us in council you actually backstabbed us. Especially after I had spent the day negotiating to exclude SPVD from the ejection terms on the request of your leadership.
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NVA got backstabbed by sell outs that they trusted as good allies and friends.
Yes.
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Just the way it happened to SI.
No, and you are an idiot to believe it, or to keep harping on about it.
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And Jade, I was obviously mistaken when i thought you were above the level of disclosing personal conversations, so i trusted you when we talked.
Its very simple. Don't be two-faced and try to claim that something was other than it was and I will not feel the need to expose what actually happened. I have had literally hundreds of conversations with people who know the score. You clearly don't
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I guess i should have followed the rest of the mob when they said you were a "wet PR *****". its sad to see that you've fallen so low and discared personal honor in the name of your crap-full PR campaign)
My personal honour in these matters is well known. Those who share mutual trust with me do not present false accounts of our dealings in public as you just did.
Learn your own history
See who the real backstabbers were.
And then get back to pirating.
SPVD has no business claiming any sort of moral high ground
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:07:00 -
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I did not support TTI because I thought they didnt pull their weight and were in venal to assault the bistot. If it was up to me i wouldnt have accepted them back into the alliance after the first incident. But it was not up to me.
Space Invaders did support TTI in all their acts, and believed that they should have been a part of the VA no matter what. and i am a member of the Space Invaders, so i supported them.
That was a personal chat log between you and me, in which i talked about my personal dislike of TTI, and that they should be kicked out of the alliance, a point that we both agreed on because we both thought that they werent doing their best for the alliance.
on the other hand Space Invaders was doing EVERYTHING it could for the VA, and you directly backstabbed us. So this isnt about TTI, who was already disliked in the alliance due to lack of support, but about SI who always supported the alliance.
I believe i could have digged up a load of crap from alliance and personal chat logs between myself and other VA members (you in primary) to show the hypocrisy of the current NVA policy regarding piracy and other matters, but i will not, because i will not ditch my personal dignity in hope of convincing a mob that "i'm right and you're wrong".
(not to mention that you can just dig up the old forum threads if you want to see the hyprocrisy of the old VA and the NVA )
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:09:00 -
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Alot of individual members of SI never liked TTI. We had to lend support because of orders higher up in ranking.
If I remember correctly only a few SI ever supported TTI in public, and others remained quiet on the case alltogether except in private discussions.
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:16:00 -
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This all clearly shows that SI doesn't force idea's upon its members about politics, and this has many advantages and some disadvantages.
Most of us dont care about politics, and we all learned that alliances means politics and thats just a hassle (for some)
About backstabbing, some of SI would have loved to kick TTI out, some thought it was backstabbing, others were more worried when someone utterd the idea of ending piracy by VA corporations.
I think there several views on whether SI was forced out, kicked out or if we left because it was time to go . We never toke a clear stance on it.
I guess it depends on who you ask and whether they were loyal to TTI.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:16:00 -
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you wanted SI to quit piracy because the FA demanded it. That was the secret "term" that you had been "negociating" for 24 hours.
Yeah SURE. Space Miners, Space Traders, Space Farmers. 
And we did not ally with TTI to attack the VA, we allied with TTI because we were both backstabbed by the VA, so we had common enemies.
And let me say that SI has always supported its allies, as it did in the matter of TTI. Even though i thought that TTI was better off gone, SI decided to support them, and i always respect the decision of my corp, no matter what my personal opinion is.
So yes, you did backstab us, you did sell us out to the FA in the face of danger, and yes you're still denying it in hope of maintaining your famed "reputation" for which you sacrificed so much for (including many friends and much trust)
And again, if you want hypocrisy, compare the posts you made in the name of the VA and the ones you made in the name of the NVA.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:33:00 -
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Jade, did it occur to you that in that hour SI directors talked to its members and see what we had to say about it?
As I said before, there were several reasons why SI felt it was time for us to leave.
-suggesting to denounce piracy
-sacrificing TTI
Every member has sometihng to say about it, and so SI felt either backstabbed, betrayed or had the feeling it was just our time to go.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.10.22 15:37:00 -
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It's all old news. Get over it people.
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TMX
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:02:00 -
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indeed get over it :)
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:07:00 -
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indeed get over it :)
how can we when we are faced with the accusation that SI betrayed the VA?
But I do agree that we should look to whats happening now or the future.
I would like to see a post by Terra Nova, explaining why.
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Nariko Tenrai
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:08:00 -
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Back on page one, Calvert-san wrote:
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Perhaps we need to invent a new euphemism for backstabbing treachery:
You've been Venalled?
You've been NVA'd?
Seems like Venal is just a bubbling stew of jealousy and deceipt.
Being somewhat pedantic:
veÀnal
adj.
1) Open to bribery; mercenary: a venal police officer.
2) Capable of betraying honor, duty, or scruples for a price; corruptible.
3) Marked by corrupt dealings, especially bribery: a venal administration.
4) Obtainable for a price.
It would seem the Region's name was aptly chosen.
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I have measured and described the stars, their great and countless multitude. What man has seen their revolutions and entrances? Not even the angels see their number, yet I have recorded all their names.
- The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, Jewish Pseudepigrapha
We won't talk about how many cruisers I lost this weekend, nor how many nice railguns, or T2 enhancers. We're going to skip right over that. We're going to talk about my new Raven. It is like flying a small city, and the city's only export is missiles.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:13:00 -
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Being somewhat pedantic:
veÀnal
adj.
1) Open to bribery; mercenary: a venal police officer.
2) Capable of betraying honor, duty, or scruples for a price; corruptible.
3) Marked by corrupt dealings, especially bribery: a venal administration.
4) Obtainable for a price.
It would seem the Region's name was aptly chosen.
rofl, god moves in mysterious ways!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:16:00 -
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you wanted SI to quit piracy because the FA demanded it. That was the secret "term" that you had been "negociating" for 24 hours.
It wasn't exactly secret. After all, the compromise was discussed at length. In order for the Space Invaders to get off the TTi ejection ticket they had to foreswear PB and Venal piracy.
Since we had lost the war; there were worse fates. And those terms in no-way restricted SPVD actions elsewhere in space.
And remember SPVD people asked me to get a compromise from FA because they really really wanted to stay in Venal.
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Yeah SURE. Space Miners, Space Traders, Space Farmers.
Space dust! and Space Debris and Space (yellow streaks as they avoided the FA fleets)
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And we did not ally with TTI to attack the VA, we allied with TTI because we were both backstabbed by the VA, so we had common enemies.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same lie, it doesn't make it true. This argument was lost by your side months ago. You are now embarrassing yourself; like some lone Japanese soldier continuing to fight WW2 on a Pacific island in 1970.
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And let me say that SI has always supported its allies, as it did in the matter of TTI.
I have heard some differing reports from your pirate allies? And also M3G4 were less than impressed with your participation in the Taggart war. You might have "supported" them with words in the forum but you didn't do jack s-hit in the combat theatre.
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Even though i thought that TTI was better off gone, SI decided to support them, and i always respect the decision of my corp, no matter what my personal opinion is.
Thats admirable in a way, but it does mean if your corp goes the route of hypocritical backstabbing so do you.
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So yes, you did backstab us, you did sell us out to the FA in the face of danger,
You nutter! Look at the council logs ... Space Invaders weren't even on the ejection vote. This is what annoys me; I went and negotiated on the SPVD behalf (on their request) came back with a deal, and then I get called the traitor when SPVD turn 180 in the council and support Ragnar's insane declaration.
You guys really take the biscuit.
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and yes you're still denying it in hope of maintaining your famed "reputation" for which you sacrificed so much for
My "reputation" didn't stick 100m of bounty on my head or spend 2 months shooting the crap out of me.
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(including many friends and much trust)
What friends? I don't count traitors and backstabbers as friends.
My friends are honest and honourable warriors who keep their pledges and don't let me down.
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And again, if you want hypocrisy, compare the posts you made in the name of the VA and the ones you made in the name of the NVA.
What really niggles you Viceroy is that Eve requires evolution; we have to change or die. The old VA was doomed by stupid little men playing games of xenophobic protectionism and chaotic brigrandry. You really can't trust pirates and psychopaths to make common cause and build something lasting. The VA far showed this. Something had to change.
We changed.
And you guys couldn't handle it.
But guess what?
As your leaders once remarked "SPVD are nomads and can simply run for the hills when the going gets tough"
Not so easy for honourable corps trying to build something.
We have to stay and fight.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 22/10/2003 17:08:51
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In order for the Space Invaders to get off the TTi ejection ticket they had to foreswear PB and Venal piracy.
Demanding Space Invaders to leave piracy is the same thing as just demanding us to leave the alliance, so there was no hope of negociation on that base. it was just an excuse to turn on us.
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I have heard some differing reports from your pirate allies? And also M3G4 were less than impressed with your participation in the Taggart war. You might have "supported" them with words in the forum but you didn't do jack s-hit in the combat theatre.
No actually we didnt support m3g4 at all, because they tended to be untrustworthy, attacking allies etc. resulting in the disbanding of the Northern alliance, and later their own corp.
And we didnt really fight the venal civil war either, we left venal after you backstabbed us, and continued to pirate in empire space and other regions. We figured that we had fought enough for Venal, and it was time to return to piracy.
Too bad we didnt side with you eh? only to be backstabbed later when fa demanded that we be "removed"?
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Thats admirable in a way, but it does mean if your corp goes the route of hypocritical backstabbing so do you.
hypocritical backstabbing
lol, two words that explain the NVA and your PR Crusades. SI should have left the alliance the moment we heard that you would even consider kicking us out, sadly some of us still had faith in you.
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You nutter! Look at the council logs ... Space Invaders weren't even on the ejection vote. This is what annoys me; I went and negotiated on the SPVD behalf (on their request) came back with a deal, and then I get called the traitor when SPVD turn 180 in the council and support Ragnar's insane declaration.
The deal was making us stop pirating, which wasnt even within consideration for us. So dont fool everybody with the "omg we were just about to make a deal to keep SI in the alliance when you all pulled a ragnar on us!"
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My "reputation" didn't stick 100m of bounty on my head or spend 2 months shooting the crap out of me.
And you just love it dont you?
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What friends? I don't count traitors and backstabbers as friends.
My friends are honest and honourable warriors who keep their pledges and don't let me down.
We arent the traitors or backstabbers in the VA affair, we were backstabbed and kicked out of the alliance even though we always kept our pledges and never let the alliance down (unlike TTI).
I guess you'll be loosing a lot of friends very soon, with the whole NVA being crushed under its own weight with trechery, backstabbing and power games (Led my ms.constantine herself)
SI were the honorable members of the VA, noone can deny that, we always gave ALL our support to the alliance. It seems honor and support means nothing when the chips are down.
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What really niggles you Viceroy is that Eve requires evolution; we have to change or die. The old VA was doomed by stupid little men playing games of xenophobic protectionism and chaotic brigrandry. You really can't trust pirates and psychopaths to make common cause and build something lasting. The VA far showed this. Something had to change.
lol, i believe QBall was one of those "stupid little men playing games of xenophobic protectionism and chaotic brigrandry".
And you did trust pirates and psychopaths to make common cause, until times got though, and then you decided to sell us out. good job!
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We changed.
And you guys couldn't handle it.
Yes you changed from an honorable group of people that fought for a common cause with the bonds of friendship against overwhelming odds to a huge bulk of people that hardly know eachother, and are in a catastrophic power struggle which is leading to betrayel and trechery (as seen in the Terra Nova event).
Very nice evolution ( ) It has effected your personality in the same way it has effected the alliance.
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As your leaders once remarked "SPVD are nomads and can simply run for the hills when the going gets tough"
Not so easy for honourable corps trying to build something.
We have to stay and fight.
Until the going gets tough, in which case we'll sell out whoever our enemy demands us to sell out, and continue to "build something".
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:10:00 -
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Personally I don't see what reguritating the past has to do with the present case.
The facts are that Terra Nova have gone supernova and left the NVA in a very public and irritating manner.
The desertion of the weak minded only strengthens the remaining corps resolve.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:11:00 -
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Oberon has been a proud member of the NVA for 2 weeks now. But we were begining to miss all the great PvP action of FD-MLJ and PF-346. I was actually starting to think Venal was really boring. Now we have actual TRAITORS to hate and kill?!? Excellent.
Never had a reason that good before!
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:14:00 -
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As long as you dont pull an oberon on us have fun! 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:17:00 -
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Yes you changed from an honorable group of people that fought for a common cause with the bonds of friendship against overwhelming odds
Wake and smell the roses Viceroy; original VA was a den of thieves that suffered more petty backstabs and petty betrayals than can easily be recounted.
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to a huge bulk of people that hardly know eachother, and are in a catastrophic power struggle which is leading to betrayel and trechery (as seen in the Terra Nova event).
I am glad the Terra Nova bankstab appeals to your sense of morality ... quite telling in context.
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Very nice evolution () It has effected your personality in the same way it has effected the alliance.
I have lost a little faith in allies its true ... being stitched up continually will do that.
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Until the going gets tough,
The going didn't get tough you muppet, the war was lost. But you wouldn't know that of course, because the SPVD being "nomads" weren't paying the price.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:26:00 -
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"We arent the traitors or backstabbers in the VA affair, we were backstabbed and kicked out of the alliance even though we always kept our pledges and never let the alliance down (unlike TTI)."
... Well, 'tis seems rather simple. SI were all for backstabbing and kicking out TTi; SI were then backstabbed and kicked out themselves.
Like you said... karma? :s
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:29:00 -
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Wake and smell the roses Viceroy; original VA was a den of thieves that suffered more petty backstabs and petty betrayals than can easily be recounted.
Name one corp of the VA that decided to mislead the whole alliance fleet right into the arms of an enemy fleet.
We werent the best alliance out there, but we were better than the group of backstabbing double-dealers that the NVA has become.
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I am glad the Terra Nova bankstab appeals to your sense of morality ... quite telling in context.
My sense of morality? the Terra Nova backstab is an example of what the NVA has become: a huge crowd of people fighting eachother for power (witch ms.Jade in the lead), making deals with the enemy (i believe ms.Jade has previous experience in this branch) and selling out their allies in hope of siezeing power within the alliance (lets see now, what does this remind us of?)
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The going didn't get tough you muppet, the war was lost. But you wouldn't know that of course, because the SPVD being "nomads" weren't paying the price.
SI paid 10 times the price any other corporation in the alliance paid. We ACTIVLY defended venal whenever we could, we fought with the VA enemies in PB, we even struck the FA in fountain in the last days of the alliance.
While SI was paying the price of being "ALLIED" gladly, knowing that it was a small price for trust and friendship, corps like the Jericho Fraction were dealing with the enemy, trying to save their own hides by using alliance members as items in the trade window of peace, instead of fighting as all the real "allies" were doing.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:33:00 -
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... Well, 'tis seems rather simple. SI were all for backstabbing and kicking out TTi; SI were then backstabbed and kicked out themselves.
Like you said... karma? :s
No Space Invaders never supported kicking out TTI, I personally thought it was a good idea, and i stated it a lot, but the offical corp policy of SI was to STAND BY our allies no matter what, not backstab them.
Dont confuse my personal opinion with what SI actually decided to do. I honor the decision of the whole corp instead of pulling a ragnar when i disagree.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:38:00 -
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I wish to add:
-The only scene I can remember was by QBall, other then that it was plain fun and pirating. The VA had no problems with orethieves and pirates as long as VA wasn't targetted.
-karma is a *****, positive side on it that you have paid for your backstabbing of SI&TTI. Perhaps in the afterlife things will look better when your born as Amarr.
-trust everyone till a certain extent, pirate guideline
Could we be on something?
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lianhaun on 22/10/2003 17:42:21
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... Well, 'tis seems rather simple. SI were all for backstabbing and kicking out TTi; SI were then backstabbed and kicked out themselves.
Like you said... karma? :s
Allready explained this in a previous post. We at SI are aloud to have our own opinion and discuss things freely.
But as KIA has stated, this is old.
I'm looking forward to see if this line of corporations quitting NVA will continue.
in waiting
Lian
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:41:00 -
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Its no wonder people assumed you [SPVD] were all TTi alts Viceroy, all your propaganda comes from their wartime handbook.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:42:00 -
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"Dont confuse my personal opinion with what SI actually decided to do. I honor the decision of the whole corp instead of pulling a ragnar when i disagree."
Hmm, was following mainly Lianhaun's note that very few of SI didn't dislike TTi and the 'decision of the whole corp' was rather the leader's instruction, but OK...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:48:00 -
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Lianhaun,
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-The only scene I can remember was by QBall, other then that it was plain fun and pirating. The VA had no problems with orethieves and pirates as long as VA wasn't targetted.
You might add the attempted sell-out of the VA to mOo that SPVD actually discovered and used to trash the hell out of "the original king of venal".
The first Taggart withdrawl from venal under evolution attack also counts in the memory of most.
There was quite a lot of shouting about the Taggart pay-off of nothern lonetrek firms that SPVD had pirated in association with them also.
I think you may have had a hard time yourself in some respects, non?
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-karma is a *****, positive side on it that you have paid for your backstabbing of SI&TTI.
I expected more from you than to parrot this trash to be honest.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:49:00 -
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Its no wonder people assumed you [SPVD] were all TTi alts Viceroy, all your propaganda comes from their wartime handbook.
The handbook that you wrote while you were the PR Crusader of the VA i believe
Well next time dont expect to cloud the situation by pulling a chat log out of your magic hat. SI doesnt fight the forum war like you do, but we will not be misrepresented either.
Cya ingame 
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 22/10/2003 17:54:44
lol SPVD and NVA are arguing with eachother so much, i can see them fighting, i suspect Biomass might get away with last nights attack, as they are to busy with eachoter LOL
and BTW, even if NOVA didnt dampen you ect and wernt even there, we still would have handed your asses to ya
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:56:00 -
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lol SPVD and NVA are arguing with eachother so much, i can see them fighting, i suspect Biomass might get away with last nights attack, as they are to busy with eachoter LOL
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:57:00 -
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Viceroy, you were making out there was some karmic payback in existance while you knew full well you wanted tti out so that SPVD wouldn't carry "the burden of defeat".
Even you have to admit that was some mealy-mouthed nonsense you were spouting.
Now I don't care about SPVD corp policy, I do care about you claiming we got karmic payback for an upfront vote that *you* supported for heavens sake.
Thats hypocrisy m'dear
Which ever way you spin it.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.10.22 17:58:00 -
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lol she didnt even notice my post, its looking good, guys we might still get away with it
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:00:00 -
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lol she didnt even notice my post, its looking good, guys we might still get away with it
.....oink......
*thud* *thud* *thud* *thud*
They still aint flying yet then...
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 -
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Well im trully sorry for your loss NVA.
Being stabbed in the back seems to be trait of Biomass tactics.
We hpe the NVA only get stronger from this.
And as you know would always have my support.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:01:00 -
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Hanns, I'll honest with you ... you guys are certainly our enemies but you have guts and commitment and are not afraid to fight. I don't hold last night against you chaps at all. You made a clever plan and executed it very well.
The blame and hatred falls on our traitors who betrayed their friends.
NVA is still at war with Biomass so its never going to be a love-fest, but I can respect a cunning military manouver...
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:03:00 -
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to Jade,
I dont deny my personal dislike for TTI, but while they were lousy at combat there were other advantages. And we did benefit from that, as did other VA members.
About karma, well it never hurts to have some kind of belief in this cold hearted universe.
I hope you didn't take it personal, if you did I'll send some Quaff to make up for it.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:08:00 -
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Viceroy, you were making out there was some karmic payback in existance while you knew full well you wanted tti out so that SPVD wouldn't carry "the burden of defeat".
Even you have to admit that was some mealy-mouthed nonsense you were spouting.
Now I don't care about SPVD corp policy, I do care about you claiming we got karmic payback for an upfront vote that *you* supported for heavens sake.
Thats hypocrisy m'dear
Which ever way you spin it.
You got exactly what you gave SI, you betrayed your friends, you got betrayed by your friends. TTI deserved to be kicked out of the VA imo, because they didnt pull their weight, but SI didnt deserve to be backstabbed. Same as NVA probably didnt deserve to be backstabbed while Biomass pulled a Nova on them. thats it
So once again, fight the forum war all you want, i've stated the situation and i dont see any point in continuing.
So, again, cya ingame
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:22:00 -
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Lianhaun, the "benefits" of tti membership were always there for SPVD, I know. The problem was they were not for the rest during the FA/VA war, hence the motion to remove them (even though it failed). But these arguments have whirled around a thousand times and more on these boards. Thats why I am disappointed to see you parroting a discredited position that the huge majority of Eve has seen exposed as lies and spurious fallacy.
Nobody seriously doubts what went on in the build up to war.
Its all pretty much public record.
For you and Viceroy and Molly/Sally/Whatever to go on about TTi and SPVD being "backstabbed" is a sad joke and it makes you look very foolish indeed.
I quoted the Viceroy chat because he was claiming a moral high ground he had no right too.
The truth is SPVD wanted TTi gone too but they also wanted out of the FA ejection demand. They asked me to negotiate for them with the FA. I got a deal which allowed them to stay on the condition they ceased PB and Venal piracy. At the time some of the SPVD leaders said they could live with that (they intended to go elsewhere to pirate).
Yet when it came to the vote SPVD had been bought out in advance by Ragnar (as is certainly suggested by the inclusion of the Space Invader name on Ragnar's infamous declaration).
After the event, SPVD justified this very real "betrayal" and "backstab" of the loyal VA corps with the "toys out of pram" cry "wah! wah! we can't pirate in PB any more you must have betrayed us!"
Really, your corp mates need to grow up and realise there are consequences to losing a war.
The consequence here was that SPVD lose the right to pirate in 2 regions.
That was the compromise I managed to get for them.
Can you seriously wonder why I am annoyed and irritated to here SPVD voices a couple of months down the line claiming we sold *them* out when the buggers were too busy taking Ragnar's thirty pieces of silver while the voting took place?
Honestly, piracy is one thing, but the hypocrisy of this stinks.
I prefer the honest villainy of Biomass .. they may be cads and brigands, but they don't stab you up and then try to stick you with a personal damages claim for repetitive strain injury!
If I seem short Lianhaun its because the virtual hallways or this forum are think with the corpses of pointless alts and numpty muppets that have made the claims that you and Viceroy mouthed today.
Never has any inkling of this ever held water, it still doesn't.
The simple truth is SPVD wanted to pirate.
FA wanted to eject SPVD and TTI.
I got a deal excluding SPVD in exchange for no pirating in PB and Venal.
The vote on the TTI ejection ended in TTI favour and the war continuing.
The VA corps were united in fighting to the last.
*BUT*
Behind the scenes Ragnar and the SPVD management had agreed to betray the rest and published a declaration to that effect.
Thats simple fact Lianhaun.
Admit it and move on.
Setec said it best when he admitted to me that SPVD should never have got involved in politics.
I couldn't agree more
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:24:00 -
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I don't understand what the latter part of this thread has to do with anything that happened last night. I don't think the NVA's main concern is SI right now anyway, our fleet size is usually not large enough to accomplish what they did, we try to do the best with what we have.
I'd honestly be more concerned with the two fairly large, well funded, PvP proficient corporations with fleets in Alliance space. Both corporations hate us, they aren't doing it on our behalf...hell we'd get blasted too if we came up there. Why is a debate persisting about events that really make no difference now?
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:29:00 -
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Its a point of principle Archain; having spent two months and hundreds of millions of isk and tens of thousands of words proving the right in the Venal war. I couldnt' let Viceroy get away with re-writing history so cheaply.
You are right,
It has nothing to do with what happened last night.
But Viceroy couldn't resist the urge to sit on a high horse that has now bucked and upended him in a dung heap next to Hupa and Terra Nova.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:30:00 -
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Viceroy had nothing to do with SI's relationship with the VA, or with TTi, and he also wasn't in the council chats. He's a nutbar, and shouldn't be allowed a position of power.
Despite all the other crap that was flying around at the time, the only thing that stuck in my memory was that we were negotiated out of the 'Leave VA/Venal/PB' vote, only to then be re-introduced in the 'no more piracy in Venal/PB' vote. *That* was the 'hour' you talk about. And yes, we did agree to it initially, because we didn't see, or predict the follow-up vote.
What is the difference between being thrown out of venal/PB, and being told we can't do 'what we do' in venal/PB? Other than wording, it amounts to the same thing.
And I believe that's what this thread-hijack was about. Not our individual members attitudes towards TTi, as that was largely irrelevant.
And Jade, before you multi-quote me, try to think up a way we could have continued pirating in Venal/PB with the restrictions you agreed to.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.22 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/10/2003 19:03:39
You couldn't Drunken.
Its called the price of a negotiated ceasefire.
VA were losing the war.
The ceasefire proposal dictated an end to PB and Venal piracy and ejection of TTi and SPVD as the cost for the other VA corps.
These terms were made available to the VA.
SPVD asked me to try to get them removed.
I did, but the no-piracy in PB and Venal requirement was non-negotiable.
Its that simple.
The was only one vote.
And that vote was about ejecting tti and accepting the terms.
The vote failed.
Ergo FA were told "war is still on".
Then TTi and SPVD betrayed the VA corps who had voted against them.
What is so complicated about this Drunken?
Its all on record.
The price of ceasefire is that your corp couldn't go pirating in PB and Venal any more.
That was offered as an alternative to not being able to do *anything* in PB and Venal because there were FA fleets all over those regions.
Its about negotiation
Its about war
Its about consequences
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Techie Zero
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I have heard some differing reports from your pirate allies? And also M3G4 were less than impressed with your participation in the Taggart war. You might have "supported" them with words in the forum but you didn't do jack s-hit in the combat theatre.
No actually we didnt support m3g4 at all, because they tended to be untrustworthy, attacking allies etc. resulting in the disbanding of the Northern alliance, and later their own corp.
And we didnt really fight the venal civil war either, we left venal after you backstabbed us, and continued to pirate in empire space and other regions. We figured that we had fought enough for Venal, and it was time to return to piracy.
What crap. Name one specific time we let you guys down. You can't think of any because you guys never showed up to the party to begin with.
Don't spread lies about us being untrustworthy. WE DON'T TRUST ANYONE, so when we form a relationship with a group---we mean it. When you screw up your end of the deal, you deserve to be dead; and you guys fit this definition of the code. I think we should have ganked you guys after day one of not showing up. It took us months to get to the point we are now with SPVD and this was after SPVD would attack our ships and claim 'oh---we didn't recognize your tag' or whatever crap.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:17:00 -
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Hi this is Stavros...
After careful consideration of the relevant facts and detailed discussion on irc, we have decided Eve would be much better minus one Jade the drag queen. omg your a dude lol rotflmao kthxbye.
also why do u keep saying m'dear? its not french, its not gallente its not rp... I mean I rp'ed better than that, I mean comeon really....
TTFN all!
Hey, guess what Stav! Your not really a pirate either!  Must shock your world, doesn't it 
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:48:00 -
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Hanns, I'll honest with you ... you guys are certainly our enemies but you have guts and commitment and are not afraid to fight. I don't hold last night against you chaps at all. You made a clever plan and executed it very well.
The blame and hatred falls on our traitors who betrayed their friends.
NVA is still at war with Biomass so its never going to be a love-fest, but I can respect a cunning military manouver...
LOL Hanns...she said LOVE. Me thinks the girl is tired of the toy soldiers she consorts with and really yearns for us scoundrels. You know what they say about love and hate sharing a thin line...
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:18:00 -
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manouver...
typo.... O.o Jade u beginning to slack... stress must be getting to you O.o
*The warp you are doing is preventing you from activating your 250 prototype muzzle...*
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:46:00 -
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Does anyone else scroll right past Jade Constantine's multiple page replies?
I'd like to thank the man who invented the scroll button mouse.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.22 22:47:00 -
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Exactly, Jade, we couldn't.
What would be the point of us being in the VA if we weren't allowed to work within 2 regions of it?
Thats banishment, plain and simple.
I never expected you to be saying something was non-negotiable either, after all, you are a negotiator, you negotiate as much as we pirate.
But despite your claimed efforts to help keep a gang of pirates in your alliance, you then went totally, rabidly anti-pirate, as if you never even supported us two days before. I wonder what would have happened had we decided to stick with you...
would you have killed us in our sleep to appease your new masters, had they asked you to?
[edit:I wrote about twice as much, but due to in-game circumstances, I pressed escape on the wrong keyboard, and lost it all, this is the foreshortened version]
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 00:11:00 -
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Drunken.
Is it something in the Space Invader water supply that means you guys are unable to understand that losing wars have unpleasant consequences?
And as to why the NVA went anti-pirate, sheesh, lets think shall we?
Could it be that Ragnar formed a pirate alliance to enforce the edicts of the magic hat?
Maybe.
As for what had happened if you hadn't betrayed us, well, who knows?
What ifs and maybes are games for poets and lovers ... what is done is done, you made your choice. You chose Ragnar's way.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 00:15:00 -
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Does anyone else scroll right past Jade Constantine's multiple page replies?
If you scroll past anything long that I write mr Amon you must be very confused in regard to what this thread is about.
(the first post was hardly short)
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mark A on 23/10/2003 02:08:02
This story just runs and runs, huh?
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And as to why the NVA went anti-pirate, sheesh, lets think shall we?
Could it be that Ragnar formed a pirate alliance to enforce the edicts of the magic hat?
Maybe.
I always assumed it was pressure from Evo/FA. In fact didn't you say that earlier, ie that an end to the VA's piratey ways was part of the terms of the FA peace deal? Which of course pre-dates whatever Ragnar/SI did in response.
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As for what had happened if you hadn't betrayed us, well, who knows?
I guess it came down to the same thing for Ragnar and the SI leadership, ie how one reacts to a significant number of corps voting to boot you from your own alliance at the request of your enemies. You can see how that would be irksome, surely...
So was the backstabbing the VA council even holding a vote to boot SI? (assuming "no pirating" is the same thing if you're an out-and-out pirate corp). Or was it SI's pre-emptive military response given how they regarded that the vote even took place? You decide, m'dears...
Oh and P.S. could the conspiracy theorists please decide if they are villifying the ghost of Ragnar because a) he wasn't giving isk/ships to SI, or b) he was giving isk/ships to SI, both of which appear above ;).
But anyway, don't you guys have a war to fight atm?  That would seem the real issue surely...
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:16:00 -
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This plan never sat well with me, I’d have had no problem attacking if we had left first but to change sides mid battle is underhanded and a terrible way to treat allies.
Effective immediately I resign from Terra Nova and will not be joining my ex-corp m8’s in Biomass.
Sorry NVA
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smeegle
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:40:00 -
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I'm sure i saw somewhere in this thread the suspicion that SI were TTI alts.
All i can say is whoohoot, we somehow got great at PvP combat. i knew i'd been practising
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/10/2003 02:46:57
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This plan never sat well with me, IÆd have had no problem attacking if we had left first but to change sides mid battle is underhanded and a terrible way to treat allies.
Effective immediately I resign from Terra Nova and will not be joining my ex-corp m8Æs in Biomass.
Sorry NVA"
Thank you Limpy Bint, it is nice to know that some of the Terra Nova fighters we counted friends have the honour to distance themselves from this appalling treachery.
And you have the right of it,
If Hupa had left in honesty and honour and then returned as a Biomass ally, then the name of Terra Nova would not have been so comprehensively trashed and doomed to the graveyard of puling curs henceforth.
But thanks again for your words.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.10.23 08:58:00 -
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What is the bottom line cost or treachery?
Is it having to live with the guilt?
Is it the loss of assets that yor enemies will reak upon you, empowered by the sense of betrayal?
Is it the fear, theat you will be forced to live under, for around every corner revenge could be waiting?
No, it is simply this, as Jade points out, The Terra corps name, is now mud, worth nothing in 99% of the Eve universe, never will they be trusted by any reputable corp again.
What a waste, what a shame. I wander how many members are still willing to side with a name that is now synominous with cowardly scum. I am guessing not many.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:25:00 -
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I try not to read Jades post due to the fact im out of asprin. Jade I cant wait to run into you or your goonie friends. From what I hear your carbear ways have made all you crappy pilots. Fear not your end is very near for you and the NVA or whats left of it..... Please add me to your KIA list.
Hupa rock on!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/10/2003 09:42:16
Dontius Tarris
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Jade I cant wait to run into you or your goonie friends. From what I hear your carbear ways have made all you crappy pilots.
You sir, are a prize numpty!
(hint read the other press release from the NVA on this forum to read about Hupa, Terra Nova, and their "winning ways".)
Love and peace
(PS ... you need a corp to get onto the KOS list)
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.10.23 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 23/10/2003 09:53:52
Edited by: Dontius Tarris on 23/10/2003 09:45:11
What your bragging about that . Jade you must be joking.. Well hell i can see why your proud of that since what you got is just a fraction of what you lost the other day .... Jade hony, You got rocked & I have a feeling more is comming your way .
Oh yea Im a proud member of the Biomass Cartel look us up sometime!
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preach you dont have anything of mine, and you've gained nothing important.
Biomass 12(4 BS 8 Cruisers)
NVA 1 (Indy)
I think that says it all . And get real that stuff wasnt evan worth 200 mil good greif!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.23 10:21:00 -
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The NVA people got what they deserve.
Well done.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.23 10:24:00 -
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Lets see.
NVA got backstabbed and sold out by their allies.
Karma?
Congrats on Terra Nova for backstabbing the NVA sellouts before they could backstab you. Excellent decision, good timing, perfect execution.
And i must say that i feel sorry for the NVA, because they obviously got sold out by backstabbers that they trusted and considered friends.
No wait, i dont feel sorry. All i can say is:
What goes around, comes around
Yeah.
Watch Jade, she is posting a lot of crap now again to hide the obvious :-).
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/10/2003 10:37:24
hurrah! Molly is back and she is posting rubbish! Now we know we have the bad guys on the run ;)
And mr Biomass, do get real m'dear, just how much do you think a load of insured battleships actually costs to replace?
In many ways cruisers are more hassle because your tend to lose more prototype gun.
And just so you know ... I had my valuation of the loot done by your own people. If they over-egged it then Blame Biomass.
Love and peace
(Oh and by the by, Biomass have never been off our KOS - well, apart from Hupa and the traitors)
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.23 10:51:00 -
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You've made some rubbish when you lose 4 battleships and 8 cruisers to people you would like to see on a "dungheap".
You did understimate them. Why? Because you are a PR person. And those have no clue, just a huge text output.
And it's not rubbish when I say "well done" to the others.
You might want to read my post in the "Advanced Piloting Techniques". You got your arse handed by a trick I used to do often (ask Hanns e.g.) and yet you scream here like a dying pig...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:05:00 -
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Err what Molly? "advanced piloting?" I thought the only lesson you were qualified to give was;
"Molly's guide to self destructing a fully-loaded Megathron in an excess of angsty teenage pique"
In that department you are, I admit, an qualified expert.
Now run along home you tragic pirate carebear noob...
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:15:00 -
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Err what Molly? "advanced piloting?" I thought the only lesson you were qualified to give was;
"Molly's guide to self destructing a fully-loaded Megathron in an excess of angsty teenage pique"
In that department you are, I admit, an qualified expert.
Now run along home you tragic pirate carebear noob...
Yup. Pull some more stuff from the past.
What purpose? Nothing else to say? Because I don't care.
I am looking forward to your next PR story.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:23:00 -
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yep because a persons past is so not-relevent to their current opinions right Molly?
so if thats the case? why do you spam every thread about the NVA harping on about the imaginary "betrayal" you feel the Space Invaders suffered when they cosied up to Ragnar?
Could it be ... hypocrisy?
Just maybe ...
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:36:00 -
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perhaps we need to make a new thread about NVA vs SI?
seriously, I think we simply disagree with eachother and no amount of explaining, spinning and arguments will change that.
In short, SI feels betrayed and VA backstabbed.
from my side: I'm sorry you felt betrayed when SI toke their leave, we felt it was really our time to go.
I applaud Nova for such an action as I admire the guts and planning. Eventhough its low, I still see the genius of it.
This is not a hijack
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:48:00 -
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Problem is Lianhaun, you didn't just "take your leave" you pledged common cause with ragnar and were specifically named in his prepared speech to the VA council. That shows prior intention to stitch us up whichever way the vote went.
Second problem (displayed most eloquently by Drunken Master) is that SPVD cannot understand alliances and warfare. Hence your membership were blind to the realities of the inevitable outcome of the FA/VA war.
DM soulfully asks why SPVD had to give up pirating in PB and Venal...
The answer was "we lost the war"
Its not about treason and treachery and payoffs and nonsense.
Its about the fact that the VA lost.
And a price had to be paid.
I am annoyed that I negotiated in good faith on behalf of SPVD and got stabbed in the back by your members ... but then, I was always warned never to trust pirates.
Re Terra Nova.
We have to disagree. They are muppets and already finished as a corporation. Most have either left for Biomass or quit the Terra Nova cause.
This action was a suicide pact for that corp.
Their reputation cannot survive what was done.
And see Limpy Bint's comments further up this thread to see what some of the Terra Nova membership thought of Hupa's treachery...
It speaks volumes.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.23 11:59:00 -
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Ragnar made a annoucement where he named SI, as far as I know it was not supported by us. We decided not to get in it because we had enough of politics allready.
If you mean the speech he gave on the chat, Id like to see either logs of it or hear from others who were there.
Sometimes its best to let people believe in their own illusions. They really think that we get free battleships, why should we deny it? Let them think that we have entire fleets full of 'em.
And I know you have to disagree on many things, and you are free to do so. As I stated before, I doubt we can change our views and feelings in a single thread.
The latest betrayel of NVA doesn't deserve to get its thread hijacked in this manner.
This is not a hijack
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 12:26:00 -
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Well lets be honest here; it seems clear that SPVD took the opinion that the compromise I got for them was not good enough and constituted a "betrayal" hence absolving them from any subsequent betrayal in return. (Like the deal with Ragnar) ... I personally find it impossible to believe that Ragnar didn't get some verbal promise of a deal from SPVD, he certainly did from Paladins (the other pirate corp named on the declaration).
Re battleships, well, still being brutally honest, it suited our PR campaign to have the SPVD being gifted battleships. Some foolish people in Taggart boasted that they were equipping their pirate allies in such a way, and because they obviously weren't (with the exception of M3G4) it became easy to win both public sentiment and private NA disagreement by painting SPVD as Taggart "head boys" at the same time you were nowhere to be seen.
Alls fair in love and war. We didn't lie, we merely repeated unsubstantiated taggart claims verbatum.
Of Ragnars speech, I am talking about the famous declaration where he lauds "our friends in space invaders" etc. And says they will help collect the 100m bounty on my head.
Remember this was published about 3 hours after I finished getting SPVD off the ejection demand from FA.
I wished I hadn't bothered ... but there's pirate gratitude ;)
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The latest betrayel of NVA doesn't deserve to get its thread hijacked in this manner.
Its okay, this thread is alreay done.
Terra Nova are pretty much finished.
Their name is in the dungheap and their members gone.
If you want to talk about these things it may as well be here.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.10.23 12:46:00 -
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Jade I cant wait to run into you or your goonie friends. From what I hear your carbear ways have made all you crappy pilots.
Well, the lot they got 'protecting' EC-P8R would fit that description.
Ran circles round them ( 8 of them! ) this morning, even managed to avoid their 50 python mined at Tor gate.
As for protecting, I managed to conduct my normal business and picked up 3 corpses. Surely 8 ships would have enough brainpower between them to watch all 3 gates?
We had a good laugh afterwards anyway.
As for Jade, she doesn't do patrols or fly about, but if she did im sure she'd be the first any opposing force would go for. (And thats not because you write so well!)
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.10.23 13:10:00 -
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I see the magic hat is still circulating...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 13:19:00 -
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Mr Ning Pong Gooly,
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As for Jade, she doesn't do patrols or fly about, but if she did im sure she'd be the first any opposing force would go for. (And thats not because you write so well!)
You seem to forget m'dear than when I do fly patrols I am always the one everyone shoots at, I really am thinking of flying about in an armoured battleship brick called "lightning conductor"
And really hun, I was dodging Space Invaders at EC-P8R while you were in diapers ...
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.10.23 13:56:00 -
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Bit off topic, but how did you reach the controls?
Yes, such a difficult task that, dodging 50 mines around a gate. Those 500m detonation radi are a real btich to avoid.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.10.23 14:51:00 -
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Well sorry to say Jade, but Gan ning never had diapers when he was a baby, hence why im angry with the world!
But seriously I'm wondering how you fight in Pvp. Do you lock them down and talk them to death or do you just send them a 9 page ransom forcing them to give up on page 2 and self destruct their pod?
As I type this i'm heading right for the heart of Venal! Maybe you should out that kettle on again.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 14:59:00 -
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But seriously I'm wondering how you fight in Pvp. Do you lock them down and talk them to death or do you just send them a 9 page ransom forcing them to give up on page 2 and self destruct their pod?
Now thats funny ;)
Sadly I am probably amongst the single worst PvP fighters in eve according to my record.
2 battleships, 7 cruisers, 3 indies, 3 frigates I have lost.
And in return guess what I have killed?
1 frigate, 1 indy, and one cruiser ...
(and the cruiser was a friendly fire accident that had the gang in stitches of hilarity.)
My crowning moment so far has been locking down a M3G4 battleship for about 30 seconds until their fleet turned up and turned me to space debris.
Suffice it to say, yep, I very much need alternative approaches because as a PvP pilot I'm willing to bet that there aren't many with a record as bad as mine ;O)
Ah well, theses things happen
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.23 15:14:00 -
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Aw Jade, dont feel bad.
I'm sure your combat skills are better then my mining skills. I'm really not the one to do mining ops with, orestealing is a different matter.
This is not a hijack
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 15:18:00 -
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I wouldn't mind Lianhaun, but I'm really crap at mining as well. Lord knows where my 4.5m skill points have gone ... ;)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.23 15:31:00 -
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"I wouldn't mind Lianhaun, but I'm really crap at mining as well. Lord knows where my 4.5m skill points have gone ... ;)"
... Social, Diplomacy, Fast Talk, Media, Negotiations, Public Relations, Ethnic Relations, Empathy, Evasive Maneuvering, Motion Prediction and Surgical Strike?.. :s
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.23 16:51:00 -
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j0sephine is always able to say the perfect thing at the perfect time! I couldn't bear to read these boards without her.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.23 17:12:00 -
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j0sephine is always able to say the perfect thing at the perfect time! I couldn't bear to read these boards without her.
Yeah and combine that with the sig and it's no wonder she's one of the more popular posters.
See NVA and SI can agree on somethings.
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CyberRaver
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Posted - 2003.10.23 17:42:00 -
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I would watch gan ning hes got a history of turning against his friends.
As for terra nova, take a look at members and you would see Di shiere, gan nings old Ceo, no wonder they turned pirate.
Useless traitors
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