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Rahvin Damodred The White Star Consortium	Posted - 2006.09.19 13:51:00 - [31] Edited by: Rahvin Damodred on 19/09/2006 14:00:08 only 4 warp stabs ?? Seriously , that isn't going to save you. a simple t1 frigate with 2 warp disruptors can scramble that. Even 7 or 8 stabs won't do anything against an Interdictor bubble. You might have been better off with fitting all inertia stabilisers in the lowslots for fast aligning and warping out before they get a chance to lock you down. And ratting in a battleship in 0.0 space on the fringes close to low sec and empire is just asking for trouble. As others have stated , your better off with a lighter and more nimble ship. I've been ratting in 0.0 for the past 6 months and from my personal experience a t1 cruiser or assault frigate is a much better (and a lot cheaper) option. Specially if it's your first time there, and still need to learn the ins & outs and get to know the locals, because the chance you will lose a ship or two before you get the hang of it is very high. Bringing a Raven just makes it a very expensive and discouraging learning experience.
Tutaku Pagans On Safari	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:05:00 - [32] The one thing youÆre right about is the ôhelpless timerö between your shipÆs explosion and the point where you have control of your pod. There are regularly occurring posts which list things you can do to help minimize it; people suggest turning off the blink on your wallet and email, turning off turret effects, turning off visual FX, turning off audio. Geez, at that point you might as well turn off the renderer and play via text interfaceà >Look You are in an asteroid field. You see Tutaku. >examine Tutaku Tutaku is flashing red and targetlocking you. >Warp away Where do you want to warp to? Tutaku is firing on you. >Just warp! I donÆt understand what you typed. Uhh sorry, got caught up there. As a programmer I know better than to psychically guess at someone elseÆs code, but whatever the problem(s) are the process of switching control to the pod is just horrendously slow. That having been said, next time resist the urge in the back of your head to turn this into a general rant about pvp. YouÆll only cloud the one real issue you have here.
d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:11:00 - [33] if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:14:00 - [34] So Cheyenne Shadowborn, how this thread working out for you? Recruitment
Brackun Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:15:00 - [35] Originally by: d026 if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:) Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure. "I sat there, pondering this unusual proposition, and at that moment I was just far too embarrassed to admit that I was unfamiliar with the mechanics of zero-gravity copulation." - P.M.S.L.
Allan Yorke Fama Nefas	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn [..]Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.[..] Arena style PvP is fun? Errr - no. GW an WoW have arena style pvp, and it sucks a lot. EvE has non-instanced pvp, and that is what's making it exciting - real losses help, too :) You should give it a try. It probably won't change too, so you can either adapt or choose a different game.
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Rahvin Damodred only 4 warp stabs ?? Seriously , that isn't going to save you. a simple t1 frigate with 2 warp disruptors can scramble that. You neither know the difference between disruptors and scramblers nor that 4 stabs are enough to counter two scramblers(-2 each), do you? Originally by: Rahvin Damodred Even 7 or 8 stabs won't do anything against an Interdictor bubble. If you have triggered warp allready before the bubble is launched you do NOT need a single wcs to get out. And no intertia stabs either. Aligning for 10+ secs inside the bubble is just fine. @OP: npcing in .0 is REALLY safe if you watch your back. WAY too safe in my opinion. But as long as CCP doesn't do anything about it i suggest you just "exploit" it like ****loads of others do. Mount a combination of all overpowered mods available on your BS(NOS/NEUT, WCS and ECM). Watch local. Warp in at range to belt or maybe even random bookmarks like 100km above/below the belts you make for every belt in "your" npc system earlier. Make different safespots. Be aligned to a SS 23/7 while ratting....... That should do for now. If you don't mind overkill make safespots with the belt beeing in line between them and you won't even be not aligned to get out for the 10 seconds after warpin. @DEV maybe reading the whine: pls fix the interdiction spheres. Fix NOS/NEUT/WCS/ECM. Fix local. Fix impossible busting of safespots. Fix belt rats so you actually get scrambled ALOT again........ --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Brackun Originally by: d026 if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:) Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure. That will safe your pod 99% of the time there is no interdiction sphere. Also another thing. BEFORE your ship goes down make 100% sure you do NOT have people&places open. Every session change(jumping/docking/switching ships/...) forces the client to refresh the p&p and even with only a few bms you will have enough lag to die. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Taria Scyre	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists hello, youve met an interdictor. inetdictor dont likes stabs, and makes em useless - and instead of stabs u lazy ppl have to spend attention to local and make sure u get safe (which is still ridiculous easy) when some1 mean lookin enters ur system. yes ur whining. yes it was easy avoidable. no, u wont get ur stuff back, hopefully. no go and learn ur lesson boy. What part of him being lagged out don't you understand. I'm so tired of you stupid leet *******s thinking you know everything.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:35:00 - [40] sounds like you got stuck on a rock Cursed Spawn recruitment
Taria Scyre	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Crumplecorn Amazingly there is more to Eve than this (i.e. you getting unlucky). You don't like free for all PvP? You shouldn't be in Eve, let alone 0.0 You can't go it alone? See here. It sucks that you lost a ship to lag (if that is what happened), but don't go ranting about perfectly good game mechanics just because you got unlucky. So being lagged out and unable to do anything is your idea of good game mechanics. Man you're an asshat.
Jie Shi	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD. Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff. Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s.
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:39:00 - [43] You embarked into lawless, open frontier territory and died ____________________ MOGarmy
Diane Chasseresse	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:48:00 - [44] I feel sorry for you :( CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard. My advice : Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) ) Ambre.
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:48:00 - [45] PvP is fun in MMO's but in all of them you will mostly have no chance unless grouped, so that part IMO is not so much that it is not fun but it is kinda useless to play when you will have no chance at all except to run. So I just hope the game has good PvE and run from the PvP hoping it is fun to run and get past them at least.
Proteus Doctorow Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Proteus Doctorow on 19/09/2006 14:53:27 Cheyenne, we all agree the lag sucks. Most of us stick around because this game and its technology (and the amount of it) is riding the frontier of MMO worlds. But there seem to be other tactics that might have saved you and your ship, and I can't give you better advice than most of the other people on the thread. What I can say, and I don't mean this as a flame, is that this is not the best place to be throwing the word "consensual" around, and in some cases even the word "balanced," insofar as it gets applied to other MMOs. EVE is brutal. It boasts a brutally realistic economy, brutally realistic terms of engagement, and losing in EVE is utterly brutal. Many of the underlying mechanics are balanced, but the farther out there you tread, the less fair and forgiving it is. And this is the game's selling point for the people it was made for.
Sole Trader	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Jie Shi Originally by: Goberth Ludwig AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD. Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff. Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring *******. Nah - just the Eve Forum community. Eve forums are where the real greifing takes place, not in game :P
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.09.19 14:58:00 - [48] Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 14:59:28 Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: Brackun Originally by: d026 if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:) Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure. That will safe your pod 99% of the time there is no interdiction sphere. Also another thing. BEFORE your ship goes down make 100% sure you do NOT have people&places open. Every session change(jumping/docking/switching ships/...) forces the client to refresh the p&p and even with only a few bms you will have enough lag to die. About peoples&places: It's usually a good thing to select a tab that's almost empty in peoples&places as default, instead of keeping the bm tab open. I use the blocklist for this. Then people&places opens fast and it doesn't take ages to set your auto-pilot to a new system e.g. if your fleet commander gives you a new destination. About lag when losing a ship, it's been all said. If you are in an interdictor bubble, you are dead anyway (at least if you play the game clean). If you're not in a bubble, just select a celestial object and hammer 'warp to' non-stop, a few seconds before your ship explodes. Then your pod usually warps out no matter of the session-change lag. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Hehulk 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.19 15:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Hehulk on 19/09/2006 15:14:04 Originally by: Diane Chasseresse I feel sorry for you :( CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard. My advice : Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) ) Ambre. Here's the thing with that arguement. Blizzard put out numbers for registered accounts. Great. How many of those accounts are still active, because I know of at least 6 that arn't. (Those 6 are of the group of 8 I use to be involved with that got bored and gave WOW up) ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.09.19 15:29:00 - [50] Cheers for the replies. Nevertheless: If it'd been some ships with too many scramblers, I'd get a message that tells me I can't wrap because I am scrambled. If it'd been an interdictor, I'd have gotten a message telling me that I am in some field and can't warp within a range of 20.000m. Been there, done that. Unless there is some other way that an interdictor scrambles me that I don't know about that keeps the blue warp bar stuck with no message. -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.19 15:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Diane Chasseresse I feel sorry for you :( CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard. My advice : Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) ) Ambre. It is fun for some time, maybe even solo, don't know, I usually play in clan/guilds/corps and did that also in WoW, but with a lvl. 60 character you'll also have to make a decision: Either to invest time and effort and join a guild for the end-game content or to do the same again and again and be bored. I did end-game content for a few months and it forced you to work together with 40 people for multiple hours. So if you don't like that and want your solo freedom, you won't be happy with lvl.60 there. Maybe except you want to do the pvp instances aka battle-grounds with random people again and again. Ultra boring after some time. Sorry.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.19 16:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual. GW != EVE. EVE is not about consensual PvP, it never has been and never will be. EVE is not a wow/eq/gw clone. Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore. It shouldn't be 'find a corp' - it should be 'find a good corp'. I take it you were in a corp where everyone did their own thing? Apparently so, if you had to schedule a once a week get-together :P That said, PvP has it faults in EVE. However, even thinking of looking at gw for solutions should be an immediate death sentence for anyone with an iq of higher than 10. Comparing the 2 games doesn't work either, since GW is a squad based multiplayer game, and EVE is an actual MMO... EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.19 17:04:00 - [53] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 19/09/2006 17:06:11 Originally by: d026 if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:) bad idea .. an ISS itty mk5 pilot had the same idea ... i had enough time to lock his pod and switch the scram from the industrial to his pod ... remember every session change is (a bit) laggy (e.g. ejecting from ship, ship blowing up and entering the "pod-view", docking, jumping through a gate) to the op - it sounds like you got bumped ... though using ctrl+space should have cancelled warp ... so dunno what actually happened. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Turas Kain Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Cheers for the replies. Nevertheless: If it'd been some ships with too many scramblers, I'd get a message that tells me I can't wrap because I am scrambled. If it'd been an interdictor, I'd have gotten a message telling me that I am in some field and can't warp within a range of 20.000m. Been there, done that. Unless there is some other way that an interdictor scrambles me that I don't know about that keeps the blue warp bar stuck with no message. If you where underfire, which it sounds like is pretty likely, the warp scrambled message may have not showed up. Instead it could easily have just given you the damage messages. It can't display them all in this case. You also said the blue bar was going up and down, suggesting more likely that you were being bumped out of align. What it comes down to is you were in hostile territory and not careful enough, by keeping an eye out on local.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Jie Shi Originally by: Goberth Ludwig AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD. Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff. Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s. No wonder, its clear the server suffers under the weight of too many players, if someone is looking for consensual pvp and arenas then eve is not for the game he is looking for and we could all do with little less server load if he decides to go - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Vanlade Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.19 18:23:00 - [56] EvE is great for me, and for all my friends in-game. If you think that EvE suck, then you don't have to play it. Go play another MMORPG where you will enjoy your time. Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn A short story: Yesterday I embarked some jumps into 0.0 with my "taxi" and for the first time also made a set of instas for the route. I decided to take my Raven about six jumps deep into 0.0 because ratting BCs in 0.4 or mining Omber for the fifth week just didn't seem fun anymore. By the time I embarked in the Raven there was a small gate camp with a bubble but I got through. I arrived six jumps deep in 0.0, unloaded my cargo at a station and went to the belt looking for a rat BS. About five minutes later several ships jump in, Domis and stuff, and start targeting. No prob I think - I have nerfed my setup with four (!) stabs, and I click to warp away. I had done this often enough in 0.4. Just that the darn ship now hangs there, "warping", and just does not warp! For twenty seconds I stare at the blue thing moving up and down the last pixel waiting for the ship to warp - nothing! Shields now half down, I hit CTRL+Space and try to warp to something else. No warp option in the menu - the ship is somehow stuck warping but doesn't warp off. Then I get popped, then huuuge lag, I didn't even see my own pod, all I see then is a hanging "entering station" bar and the entire client hangs. Had to restart the client to say hello to my clone. Now here's what stinks: To be making reasonable money one has to embark into areas that are forced PvP. And it stinks to be jumped by half a dozen ships. Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual. In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance. You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore. You can queue the posts telling me that I am whining because yes, I am, and that you are maybe more l33t and yarr and stuff - I am sure some people are and maybe for the this game principle is fun but not anymore for me. You can queue the posts telling me that I should've been care-bearing in Empire - it just doesn't make enough money to be competitive one day, or those telling me that I should have had more SP or tech 2 items - its not going to help against overwhelming odds. "Watching local" is also not an option - its virtually impossible to find a 0.0 system with public stations thats deserted. Thats what stabs should be for, just that the $#+º!& thing does not work when the game lags and/or one is stuck in warp! Maybe I should petition this but its getting silly by now to petition these things. I can't prove lag or being stuck in warp, and I don't really care anymore. I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far. The only thing keeping me for the moment in Eve is my investment in time and SPs, its certainly not the game itself at this moment - Vanlade
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far. Go and play them then, you won't be missed. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
Oburn Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:05:00 - [58] I find guild wars boring for the same reason you think its great. Consensual PvP with no real fear of loss is worse then grinding missions. Id rather get ganked in 0.0. Then again im old school UO player and know that losing in PVP means you just helped outfit the enemy heh. Most MMo's since UO are (for lack of a better word) carebearish with saves and no loss when you die....its just not exciting. DEVs please never allow consensual PVP, its the only reason Im still playing an MMO..cuz all the rest are crap. But on the topic of lag, my buddy had the exact same thing happen to him in a mission recently. Had the warping message but was just sitting there then boom. It happends...petition, get your stuff back, move on....dont whine in the forums...we have enough lag posts here. If you melt dry ice can you swim in it and not get wet?
Avaleric Amarr Afterlife inc	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:09:00 - [59] that was warp lag - petition for reimbursement - Ignorance is bliss...
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.19 19:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Avaleric that was warp lag - petition for reimbursement NO don't petition for reimbursement. You won't be reimbursed anyway, and the last thing we need is another useless petition in the queue. Instead of blaming this loss on lag why don't we look at what you could have done before you were already being targetted? Like, maybe, watching local? Staying aligned? Warping out at the FIRST sign of trouble, not as late as you possibly can. It's so easy to avoid combat when you're npcing that it's not even funny, you just weren't paying attention. Chalk it up to learning and respond quicker next time. The new BFG.

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