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Dred 'Morte Sabre Inc Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.09.19 20:00:00 - [61] Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06 Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!) -Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding) -Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS. -Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there. -When you see a local, RUN! . (and log) -When your out of ammo, go to your supersafespot, eject from BS, change to industrial ship, jetisson ammo, eject, get back into BS. Always log on BS, so, if by any chance anyone gets into your safespot with probes or some other way, the loss is not as big. -KEEP LOW PROFILE. Don't talk, don't stay online for long when local shows up. Basicly: adapt. PS: Been there, done that. Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.09.21 08:47:00 - [62] Originally by: Death Kill So Cheyenne Shadowborn, how this thread working out for you? Just fine, thanks for asking. Unlike you, a lot of folks gave some good info, and my ego is mature enough to be able to take it to not "win" a thread once in a while. -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him
Rheinkraft The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.21 09:07:00 - [63] Edited by: Rheinkraft on 21/09/2006 09:07:59 ----------------------------------------------------------- In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance. ------------------------------------------------------------ Please dont think that you have to be in an alliance or large corp to go where you want or do what you want. imo small groups of players work better and can quite easily take on double there numbers. What i have seen alot lately are players in large well known corps thinking they are invincible. They are just living off the reputation there corp has then get a rather large shock when they are sitting there in a pod. Bigger is not better "Delivering the finest meat produce to the most desolate places in eve"
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.09.21 09:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06 Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!) -Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding) -Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS. -Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there. Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner? -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.21 09:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Dred 'Morte Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06 Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!) -Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding) -Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS. -Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there. Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner? only if you park it in the center of the system (aka between celestial objects or at least in scanner range of them - a linesafe between objects is NOT safe) ... if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ... i think not many are so bored to probe with observator probes when they don't know that there's something to find ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.09.21 10:39:00 - [66] Edited by: Zhaine on 21/09/2006 10:39:42 Firstly: Lag sucks, you're right about that, if it was lag that got you then you have my condolences (which I'm not sure I know how to spell). If it was a dictor, which is possible, then your lack of knowledge got you killed. That said, regarding the rest of your post: It seems Eve isn't for you. That's fine, a game with non-consensual PvP is not for everyone, and I think no less of you if your someone who isn't suited to it. What I do think less of you for is generalising and saying that the game sucks simply because it's not suited to your style of gaming. It's like me saying Pro Evolution sucks, is badly coded, buggy and has no redeeming features because I'm not a fan of sports games. Actually I acknowledge it as a well made game, it's just that I would never play it as I don't enjoy sports games. It's the same here: You're disagreeing with the basic concept that Eve is built on (non-consensual PvP to get the best stuff) and therefore saying that the game sucks. It doesn't, as some people enjoy this style of game. You don't and that's fine. But don't come here like some fking know it all and tell everybody that it's crap just because you want to play a different game. It's really annoying. So, to return the favour: Go play WoW, n00b. And Can I have your stuff? Also a lot of the stuff in the OP is factually incorrect or supposition based on lack of proper knowledge or experience. I would point specifically to the paragraph starting "In Eve, on the other hand" (just lol) and the sentence mid paragraph starting ""Watching local" is also not an option" (WTS clue: try systems without stations, why the hell do you need one to solo rat?). But at least you can spell and use paragraphs, for that I give you credit. (EDIT: This was a reply to the OP, only skimmed the rest of the thread) - - - - - - - - - - Quote:** I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.21 11:35:00 - [67] If he says he had his 'warping' bar filled, how comes some talk about an interdictor? You don't get the 'warping' bar filling when inside of bubble IIRC. He died to lag, like the game is slowly dieing to lag, soon only the fanbois will be left. I don't see CCP improving the situation anytime soon, tbh, it's getting worse and worse since Exodus. Unless CCP splits the server or buys more blade servers. Or anything that helps. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Proteus Doctorow Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.09.22 18:57:00 - [68] Originally by: Sorja Unless CCP splits the server or buys more blade servers. Or anything that helps. I admit it. I'm a fanboy. EVE Online rocks. I'll stick around through the tough times because I waited for a game like EVE for many years. But splitting the server would be as much of a turn off as something like consensual combat would. It just doesn't fit. Space is big. The galaxy has over 5,000 solar systems (much smaller than any of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies, but I'll settle). CCP: Buy more servers and fillerup. Biotch.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.22 20:42:00 - [69] I name all my dicters Non Consensual PVP for people like you.
Katrena's Fury	Posted - 2006.09.22 20:44:00 - [70] Welcome to Eve! The biggest collection of griefers and arswipes in the online world!! Don't expect any sympathy from CCP. Not only do they hire from this cesspool, but there was likely a dev in the gang that blew you up. If they weren't, they freely admit that they would have liked to be.
flummox Circle of Jerks	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner? yes. but no one said it had to be an expensive loadout. even a crappy badger I with expander I's will hold enough ammo/loot to keep you busy for sometime. granted, as long as you don't play 23/7... ... bring me my cheese...
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:53:00 - [72] Originally by: End Yourself @DEV maybe reading the whine: pls fix the interdiction spheres. Fix NOS/NEUT/WCS/ECM. Fix local. Fix impossible busting of safespots. Fix belt rats so you actually get scrambled ALOT again........ "It's too hard to kill people, I'm so lame. Waaahhh." Pot, meet kettle. You two have a lot in common. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:57:00 - [73] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ... How do you make a deepsafespot 100AU away? -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Liklin Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.09.22 22:57:00 - [74] Edited by: Liklin on 22/09/2006 22:57:50 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Jie Shi Originally by: Goberth Ludwig AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD. Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff. Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s. No wonder, its clear the server suffers under the weight of too many players, if someone is looking for consensual pvp and arenas then eve is not for the game he is looking for and we could all do with little less server load if he decides to go can i get his stuff then ???? :)
0zzie	Posted - 2006.09.23 00:54:00 - [75] Of course it sucks - but as there is nothing out there like it at the moment - people put up with it. Now if there was a serious contender ..... then ccp becomes RIP. Its not hard just plain old economic fact. As with politicians - they all end their careers in failure.
Oddluck	Posted - 2006.09.23 01:56:00 - [76] You forgot a couple of key points, Unlike other PVP games , in Eve Time will make you stronger , Not Were you hunt. You will Level Your skills as fast in Controled space as you will in 0.0. Why Get all hot and bothered about the LEET people and their unfair advantage, Hell you do the math , Run level 4s in safe space, with zero risk of death , Compaired to the Constant Risk of Death in 0.0. Either place you are going to level your skills at the same rate. I have had the same PVE mission ship for over a year, I cant count the Low sector ships i have lost.
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 05:06:00 - [77] Solution: Expect to die. Every. Signle. Time. When I jump into non-corp 0.0, I don't expect to jump out. That way, when you DO happen to live, it's a good thing, rather than it being a bad thing that you died. Oh, and unfit those stabs. Noobcake. Signature removed as the image is unsuitable. If you have any questions, please mail us on [email protected] and include a link to the image in question. -Ivan K
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 09:21:00 - [78] Sounds like lag to me, I lost my first BS to similar conditions in a lvl 4 mission (I really shouldn't have taken it in in the first place, but hey live and learn). Whith 4 WCS fitted, you need a scramble strength of 5 against the ship to prevent warp (all ships come with a warp strength of +1 except blockade runners, and to stop warp you need to reduce the ship warp strength to 0 or below). I feel that non-consensual pvp is fine as is. I wouldn't be averse to arenas being put in as long as the rest of pvp stays the same, and that the same "death penalty" applies in these arenas (It would be fun to be able to just go to an arena and be able to fight without having to go looking for a fight if you are short on time. That said it may effect the game in other ways, so probably best to keep it as is). I subscribe to the "Don't fly what you can't aford to live without" school of thought, which is why I never take anything bigger than a T1 cruiser into pvp unless really necessary. There is no need to leave your hauler in 0.0, train anchoring to lvl 1, and you can drop a load of secure cans in safe spot. These are unscannable (as long as you don't leave a ship near them) and can be resupplied as often as needed. (you can also stock much more ammo than a hualer will hold) I have spent most of my eve life doing things solo, even as a part of a corp ad alliance, but in our corp, we do help each other out when able, or just for fun. Even pvp is possible solo if you know what you are doing (just look at how much a Vagabond goes for, and that's a ship that sucks hard in larger fleet engagements, while being awesome solo or in small gangs) Interceptors work quite well solo as well, because you can choose to run or fight. No I'm not a pirate or leet in any way shape or form (unless everyone decides to fly minmatar frigates only any time soon ) What makes the PVP great in this game is that when you lose, you lose stuff you worked for. Yopu have a vested interest in seing your ship come through in one piece. I got my 5th pvp kill last weekend (Jaguar v Harpy) and it was such a rush, because although there was only me and him in system, I knew he had mates, at most 2, jumps away, and I had a 20 mill ship + fittings to lose if I*****ed up (luckily this fight was won at the fittings screen because his mates didn't show up ) Anyway, I hope some of this was constructive and not all ramble Akkarin Linkage <3 - Immy
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.09.23 10:11:00 - [79] were ya close to a asteroid ? as if your toclose you wil be stuck although you should be able to stop warp and move away when that hapends
Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2006.09.23 10:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ... How do you make a deepsafespot 100AU away? Yeah. Inquiring minds would like to know. ___________________ Cortes, sir, you are way too *SEXY* for this image - Mista Sexamalicious
Umit Davala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:40:00 - [81] As an old corpmate of the OP, and having seen some of the vitriol flying about this thread, I would just like to say that Cheyenne wouldn't gripe unless it was bad... I had similar things running a level 4 the other day - 10 second module activtion delay ftl.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.23 12:03:00 - [82] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 23/09/2006 12:06:44 Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 23/09/2006 12:04:44 Concerning the lag: do a petition immediatedly. I did a petition a while ago because I lost my BRUTIX due a heavy lag. No chance to escape. CCP reacted 2 weeks later, gave me back the BRUTIX incl. the destroyed fittings and the insurance payment was tranfered back. Concerning to what stinks: EVE is a very dynamic game. I you get ambushed by half dozen of ships in a low-sec there's no reason to complain about the game. That's the part of a nice adventure. That's EVE. If you want simple PvP rules you should play Unreal and Co. But even those games are full of high-trained addicted full-time gamers which give a max. frustration factor. No chance to beat them if you just play time by time. EVE needs lot of time investment and planning what you want to do, what are your future aims. I see a big problem with complex online games because they collide merciless with your real life. I never can imagine that I will have the time to rule a big corp. It ends up in a damn Managing Director job like in my real-life corp. So: this case is closed till I will not win a lottery jackpot. But if EVE would be simplified it will end up to a common boring LAN Arcade game. I see the future of online games very critical. Lots of people will **** up their private life and minimize their needs just for eating fast food, paying the DSL bill, upgrading their computers to be important and successful in a game like EVE. The day has 24 hours. Not a scond more. And I agree: if you start dealing with EVE like with a serious job it's some kind of sick. But it will happen. It has to happen unfortunalely or those type of games will have no future. The whole MMORPG is frightening. And I am a part of this real life desctruction horror show *;-) Presidente Gallente
Makaera Koshito Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2006.09.23 12:23:00 - [83] Edited by: Makaera Ko**o on 23/09/2006 12:24:28 Originally by: Tachy Sounds as if your raven got bumped out of alignment by someone with a clue how to do it right. It's interesting that you are the only one that has mentioned this, but you are probably the only one who has got it right. I am quite sure that the OP was repeatedly bumped by an Inty or speedy AF, which is why the warping bar kept "resetting." The OP seems aware enough that if they were bouncing off a 'roid, they would have noticed that they were bouncing off a 'roid. It's not always noticable, especially in the middle of a heart-stopping PvP session where you realize that you are losing, to be completely aware of what is really going on. One lone Inty doing this might not have been noticed during all the clicking and cussing.
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 13:25:00 - [84] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner? Probably yes, but the idea is to make more money out of ratting than what you lose from occasional loss of an indy of ammo. In 0.0 you can make a lot of money out of ratting. Losing an indy every now and then is not a big deal. You can even take the loss of a BS every now and then and still come out in the green.

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