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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:49:00 -
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A short story:
Yesterday I embarked some jumps into 0.0 with my "taxi" and for the first time also made a set of instas for the route. I decided to take my Raven about six jumps deep into 0.0 because ratting BCs in 0.4 or mining Omber for the fifth week just didn't seem fun anymore.
By the time I embarked in the Raven there was a small gate camp with a bubble but I got through. I arrived six jumps deep in 0.0, unloaded my cargo at a station and went to the belt looking for a rat BS.
About five minutes later several ships jump in, Domis and stuff, and start targeting. No prob I think - I have nerfed my setup with four (!) stabs, and I click to warp away. I had done this often enough in 0.4. Just that the darn ship now hangs there, "warping", and just does not warp!
For twenty seconds I stare at the blue thing moving up and down the last pixel waiting for the ship to warp - nothing! Shields now half down, I hit CTRL+Space and try to warp to something else. No warp option in the menu - the ship is somehow stuck warping but doesn't warp off. Then I get popped, then huuuge lag, I didn't even see my own pod, all I see then is a hanging "entering station" bar and the entire client hangs. Had to restart the client to say hello to my clone.
Now here's what stinks: To be making reasonable money one has to embark into areas that are forced PvP. And it stinks to be jumped by half a dozen ships. Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.
In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore.
You can queue the posts telling me that I am whining because yes, I am, and that you are maybe more l33t and yarr and stuff - I am sure some people are and maybe for the this game principle is fun but not anymore for me.
You can queue the posts telling me that I should've been care-bearing in Empire - it just doesn't make enough money to be competitive one day, or those telling me that I should have had more SP or tech 2 items - its not going to help against overwhelming odds. "Watching local" is also not an option - its virtually impossible to find a 0.0 system with public stations thats deserted. Thats what stabs should be for, just that the $#+º!& thing does not work when the game lags and/or one is stuck in warp!
Maybe I should petition this but its getting silly by now to petition these things. I can't prove lag or being stuck in warp, and I don't really care anymore.
I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far.
The only thing keeping me for the moment in Eve is my investment in time and SPs, its certainly not the game itself at this moment 
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:50:00 -
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i agree this lag sucks...
i am not ratting 0.0 in a BS for this exact reason. cant afford this risk
caracal for the win lol
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/09/2006 12:53:06
Interdictor. Ok. :)
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Infinity Ziona
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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Theres going to a bunch of retards here soon and your going to get flamed however in part you are right.
The delay between ship blowing up and pod being accessible for commands should have been fixed a long time ago. There is a way out which does work but it involves warping before you blow up - go figure.
As for having to go out into 0.0 to make isk, you make more out there but its not mandatory, although, aforementioned tards, want to make it so.
Anyway, hope you bought some marshmallows :)
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Xeaon
Minmatar
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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...So you stab up, lag out and die to some bug then go on a rant about pvp? Huh?
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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hello,
youve met an interdictor.
inetdictor dont likes stabs, and makes em useless - and instead of stabs u lazy ppl have to spend attention to local and make sure u get safe (which is still ridiculous easy) when some1 mean lookin enters ur system.
yes ur whining.
yes it was easy avoidable.
no, u wont get ur stuff back, hopefully.
no go and learn ur lesson boy.
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Tesar Sebatyne
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:55:00 -
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I personally think eve's version of pvp is what makes the game fun.... i'm suprised you got lag in a 0.0 system tho i never do apart from 9uy recently cause it tends to be jammed with fighters EVERYWHERE :/
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Adrian Kerensky
Nexus Legion
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Kerensky on 19/09/2006 12:56:07
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
I regularly hunt solo in both T1 and T2 ships and sometimes take on 2 or 3 other ships at the same time.
I did loose a pilgrim and clone to 7 or so hostiles a few hours ago though  . Grats to those guys though, I was getting a bit to*****y for my own good.
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Obsequious Woe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:56:00 -
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Well I dont really know about your small corps dont work in 0.0 ...
My corp would be keen to have more members .. and we are 0.0 based. In a very safe area .... with known predictable threats .. currently most of my corp rat solo ... and make good coin at it.
If you bored and want another corp ... drop me a line.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Amazingly there is more to Eve than this (i.e. you getting unlucky).
You don't like free for all PvP? You shouldn't be in Eve, let alone 0.0 
You can't go it alone? See here.
It sucks that you lost a ship to lag (if that is what happened), but don't go ranting about perfectly good game mechanics just because you got unlucky.
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spRAYed
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: spRAYed on 19/09/2006 12:58:09
Your right, and your very wrong.
Lag, yes, pod in station...yeah same here most of the time. Reason? Lag from ship blowing up.
But your wrong, it was most likely an Interdicter that kept you from warping. U dont see them in Low sec space. U should indeed as stated before keep an eye on local though. If u see people jumping in. Make sure your aligned and get your drones in.
Y do i tell u this even though i'm usually the ones jumping in? Because you might learn and stay and not blaim the game too much.
Your right about the lag though.
EDIT: 4 stabs is discusting
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Sounds as if your raven got bumped out of alignment by someone with a clue how to do it right.
Flying around in 0.0 without knowing the local residents or a nice group close by is a bad ideaÖ. From LowSec you should already be used to have an eye on local constantly.
If you said the 'warping' was up with a full blue bar, missile launchers shut off and the ship not responding to directions for 20 seconds I'd have told you to petition because of a client-server desync. Didn't happen here, so probably not a bug.
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Doing missions in empire (level 4 in particular) can be as lucrative as hunting NPCs in 0.0, honestly. Of course you have a chance of making more money in 0.0 by happening upon the odd faction/officer spawn but since this is so rare, at least in safe empire space you'll be making nice chunks of ISK with little to no risk (provided you know what you're doing -- practice makes perfect, faction modules help ), as well as LPs to boot.
If ratting in 0.0 is really your thing, why don't you join one of the alliances that control the outer fringes? The further you go from the galactic core, the less hostiles you'll encounter, really (not counting a roaming gang of hostiles every now and then).
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience 
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
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Ominus Decre
Amarr
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Lag sucks !!
Everything else sounds like it's working fine other then your willingness to adapt to a game that does not spoon feed you.
I've never been a fan of PvP and I love the foundation of EVE. If it were any less thrilling I would not be bothering with it.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Interdictors have "infinite" scramble strength, and they don't even need to lock you, all they have to do is fire a sphere. Not even eight Warp Core Stabs could have saved you.
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Major Dim
Caldari
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Can i have ur stuff?
Seriously - u wither stucked in an interdictor or they just had more than 2 scramblers on u. The story doesnt seem like lag caused. And what u basically comply about is the game mechanics and the whole idea of it. Maybe u have chosen the wrong MMO? I played GW for 3 weeks and dropped it cuz it was soo booooring. In eve u have the choice to become or to do whatever u want. I dont know andy other MMO where people can build homes, conquer regions, make political life like in EvE. Thats y we love it.
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Namtuk
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:02:00 -
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Yeah lag can be bad but getting ganked is part of the game live with it. This game is nothing like Guild Wars or Wow (I know I shouldn`t say that word in here ) so how do u think CCP should make arena`s for PvP doesn`t realy work in space.
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Martinez
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:02:00 -
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well there are places you can npc in 0.0 that are not over run with rats. seems to me you just picked a bad place. only 6 jumps in? that was a bad choice. you will have to go deep into 0.0 to find a hole that has less traffic. even then you have to keep an eye on local. have mulitiple safespots in system. also joining a 0.0 alliance will not mean you are safe but it does help with info and maybe a heads up here they come warning. one of the main problems with large alliances is that groups of carebears are in them and dont help to defend the area so just go to iss or something and npc away. if you dont like that info give me your stuff and quit eve because you are looking for a game that has no risk of loss in it and eve is it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:03:00 -
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to the OP did u forget eve is a multiplayer game , to the OP u still trying to play solo in 0.0 and an area youre alliance/corp doesnt control mmm to the OP ah wel u get the idea if youre going to come back then learn to play co op join a local corp and be prepared to group PVP thats the way it goes overwise stay stuck in empire thats the way it goes to
could try wow
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:04:00 -
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AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
I'll QFT all of this except the AF part, you can rat just fine in a BS as long as you stay alert in local, and have decent agility. The BS's cargo bays are large for two reasons:
1) its a big ship
2) it should hold enough loot so that you don't have to stay in an NPC station system
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Lord Sidon
Amarr
Classified
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:09:00 -
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your in a corp and an alliance !!!! and you think you can go to any 0.0 and not be a target.
0.0 is not something you can solo in hostile space. all 0.0 is claimed by someone, and you think you can fly in and npc in any system without someone shooting you!!!
as for your loss check your "CCP\EVE\Logs" for a #errors file if you see exceptions listed there at time you got killed, then maybe just maybe you can get your stuff back. you have to send in this file with your loss mail, and if the error was logged server side also CCP will return most of what you lost.
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: mirel yirrin on 19/09/2006 13:14:59
Just laughing my ass off at this thread, seriously, can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?
But really, the last time I got killed ratting in 0.0 was in my domi vs a pilgrim (oh the shame) when I had EvE minimized watching, ironically, pvp videos. That must have been about a month ago and was due to my own sheer stupidity.
In any case, an AF is a great little choice for npcing in 0.0 if BS's are too much isk for you, especially the Ishkur. It has a great big drone bay and it can tank very nicely, and only costs about 25mil fitted so its less of a whack if its killed.
Aditionally, its easier to get past Choke points and escape from sticky situations if you keep a keen eye on local and just warp out if anything appears on your scanner.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:11:00 -
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nah ill take yorue stuff - thanks in advance
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Just laughing my ass off at this thread, seriously, can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?
But really, the last time I got killed ratting in 0.0 was in my domi vs a pilgrim (oh the shame) when I had EvE minimized watching, ironically, pvp videos. That must have been about a month ago and was due to my own sheer stupidity.
In any case, an AF is a great little choice for npcing in 0.0 if BS's are too much isk for you, especially the Ishkur. It has a great big drone bay and it can tank very nicely, and only costs about 25mil fitted so its less of a whack if its killed.
Aditionally, its easier to get past Choke points and escape from sticky situations if you keep a keen eye on local and just warp out if anything appears on your scanner.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Butter Dog
Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
I'll QFT all of this except the AF part, you can rat just fine in a BS as long as you stay alert in local, and have decent agility. The BS's cargo bays are large for two reasons:
1) its a big ship
2) it should hold enough loot so that you don't have to stay in an NPC station system
Yes, also true.
Personally I use an Enyo for the rare times I NPC, and I only pick up valuable named modules.
But you need a good understanding of the relative values of all named modules do to that effectively, since there is generally no market to compare it to in 0.0.
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Ominus Decre
Amarr
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ominus Decre on 19/09/2006 13:17:00
Just wanted to add:
I use the Amarr Assault Frigate "Retribution" for ALL my ratting needs. I have NO problem ratting in 0.0 altough you would want a respectible amount of gunnery skills to be abel to deal enough dmg to teh rats.
The Retribution is a fraction of the cost on a Raven. If you can't afford to lose it then you sure in heck shouldn't be using it.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 13:28:14
Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 13:20:07
The great thing about pvp in eve is that it's no arena style pvp, but really embedded into the game world. Otherwise I wouldn't play EVE anymore.
( I used to play Neocron, where it was the same. Non-consensual pvp was part of the game world, real politics, no arena style. But too bad, they somehow couldn't preserve and increase their initial success, imho due to some bad decisions that removed some fun and bue to lack of devs. )
If there was no MMORPG, where pvp is a major part of the game world and had a big impact, then I'd start such a project myself. I get only get a kick, if I play against real players, because they are more intelligent and not so predictable. The can bring the fight to you at any time and you don't know how and when. I can do the same. I call it fun. 
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:24:00 -
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started eve 3 years ago, had a break playing WoW, came back, had another break playing GW, came back. go figure :D
Hate consensual PvP
P.S.: UO rocked =)
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