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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:49:00 -
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A short story:
Yesterday I embarked some jumps into 0.0 with my "taxi" and for the first time also made a set of instas for the route. I decided to take my Raven about six jumps deep into 0.0 because ratting BCs in 0.4 or mining Omber for the fifth week just didn't seem fun anymore.
By the time I embarked in the Raven there was a small gate camp with a bubble but I got through. I arrived six jumps deep in 0.0, unloaded my cargo at a station and went to the belt looking for a rat BS.
About five minutes later several ships jump in, Domis and stuff, and start targeting. No prob I think - I have nerfed my setup with four (!) stabs, and I click to warp away. I had done this often enough in 0.4. Just that the darn ship now hangs there, "warping", and just does not warp!
For twenty seconds I stare at the blue thing moving up and down the last pixel waiting for the ship to warp - nothing! Shields now half down, I hit CTRL+Space and try to warp to something else. No warp option in the menu - the ship is somehow stuck warping but doesn't warp off. Then I get popped, then huuuge lag, I didn't even see my own pod, all I see then is a hanging "entering station" bar and the entire client hangs. Had to restart the client to say hello to my clone.
Now here's what stinks: To be making reasonable money one has to embark into areas that are forced PvP. And it stinks to be jumped by half a dozen ships. Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.
In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore.
You can queue the posts telling me that I am whining because yes, I am, and that you are maybe more l33t and yarr and stuff - I am sure some people are and maybe for the this game principle is fun but not anymore for me.
You can queue the posts telling me that I should've been care-bearing in Empire - it just doesn't make enough money to be competitive one day, or those telling me that I should have had more SP or tech 2 items - its not going to help against overwhelming odds. "Watching local" is also not an option - its virtually impossible to find a 0.0 system with public stations thats deserted. Thats what stabs should be for, just that the $#+º!& thing does not work when the game lags and/or one is stuck in warp!
Maybe I should petition this but its getting silly by now to petition these things. I can't prove lag or being stuck in warp, and I don't really care anymore.
I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far.
The only thing keeping me for the moment in Eve is my investment in time and SPs, its certainly not the game itself at this moment 
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:50:00 -
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i agree this lag sucks...
i am not ratting 0.0 in a BS for this exact reason. cant afford this risk
caracal for the win lol
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/09/2006 12:53:06
Interdictor. Ok. :)
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Infinity Ziona
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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Theres going to a bunch of retards here soon and your going to get flamed however in part you are right.
The delay between ship blowing up and pod being accessible for commands should have been fixed a long time ago. There is a way out which does work but it involves warping before you blow up - go figure.
As for having to go out into 0.0 to make isk, you make more out there but its not mandatory, although, aforementioned tards, want to make it so.
Anyway, hope you bought some marshmallows :)
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Xeaon
Minmatar
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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...So you stab up, lag out and die to some bug then go on a rant about pvp? Huh?
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:52:00 -
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hello,
youve met an interdictor.
inetdictor dont likes stabs, and makes em useless - and instead of stabs u lazy ppl have to spend attention to local and make sure u get safe (which is still ridiculous easy) when some1 mean lookin enters ur system.
yes ur whining.
yes it was easy avoidable.
no, u wont get ur stuff back, hopefully.
no go and learn ur lesson boy.
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Tesar Sebatyne
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:55:00 -
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I personally think eve's version of pvp is what makes the game fun.... i'm suprised you got lag in a 0.0 system tho i never do apart from 9uy recently cause it tends to be jammed with fighters EVERYWHERE :/
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Adrian Kerensky
Nexus Legion
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Kerensky on 19/09/2006 12:56:07
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
I regularly hunt solo in both T1 and T2 ships and sometimes take on 2 or 3 other ships at the same time.
I did loose a pilgrim and clone to 7 or so hostiles a few hours ago though  . Grats to those guys though, I was getting a bit to*****y for my own good.
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Obsequious Woe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:56:00 -
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Well I dont really know about your small corps dont work in 0.0 ...
My corp would be keen to have more members .. and we are 0.0 based. In a very safe area .... with known predictable threats .. currently most of my corp rat solo ... and make good coin at it.
If you bored and want another corp ... drop me a line.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Amazingly there is more to Eve than this (i.e. you getting unlucky).
You don't like free for all PvP? You shouldn't be in Eve, let alone 0.0 
You can't go it alone? See here.
It sucks that you lost a ship to lag (if that is what happened), but don't go ranting about perfectly good game mechanics just because you got unlucky.
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spRAYed
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: spRAYed on 19/09/2006 12:58:09
Your right, and your very wrong.
Lag, yes, pod in station...yeah same here most of the time. Reason? Lag from ship blowing up.
But your wrong, it was most likely an Interdicter that kept you from warping. U dont see them in Low sec space. U should indeed as stated before keep an eye on local though. If u see people jumping in. Make sure your aligned and get your drones in.
Y do i tell u this even though i'm usually the ones jumping in? Because you might learn and stay and not blaim the game too much.
Your right about the lag though.
EDIT: 4 stabs is discusting
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Sounds as if your raven got bumped out of alignment by someone with a clue how to do it right.
Flying around in 0.0 without knowing the local residents or a nice group close by is a bad ideaÖ. From LowSec you should already be used to have an eye on local constantly.
If you said the 'warping' was up with a full blue bar, missile launchers shut off and the ship not responding to directions for 20 seconds I'd have told you to petition because of a client-server desync. Didn't happen here, so probably not a bug.
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:57:00 -
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Doing missions in empire (level 4 in particular) can be as lucrative as hunting NPCs in 0.0, honestly. Of course you have a chance of making more money in 0.0 by happening upon the odd faction/officer spawn but since this is so rare, at least in safe empire space you'll be making nice chunks of ISK with little to no risk (provided you know what you're doing -- practice makes perfect, faction modules help ), as well as LPs to boot.
If ratting in 0.0 is really your thing, why don't you join one of the alliances that control the outer fringes? The further you go from the galactic core, the less hostiles you'll encounter, really (not counting a roaming gang of hostiles every now and then).
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience 
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
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Ominus Decre
Amarr
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Lag sucks !!
Everything else sounds like it's working fine other then your willingness to adapt to a game that does not spoon feed you.
I've never been a fan of PvP and I love the foundation of EVE. If it were any less thrilling I would not be bothering with it.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Interdictors have "infinite" scramble strength, and they don't even need to lock you, all they have to do is fire a sphere. Not even eight Warp Core Stabs could have saved you.
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Major Dim
Caldari
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Can i have ur stuff?
Seriously - u wither stucked in an interdictor or they just had more than 2 scramblers on u. The story doesnt seem like lag caused. And what u basically comply about is the game mechanics and the whole idea of it. Maybe u have chosen the wrong MMO? I played GW for 3 weeks and dropped it cuz it was soo booooring. In eve u have the choice to become or to do whatever u want. I dont know andy other MMO where people can build homes, conquer regions, make political life like in EvE. Thats y we love it.
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Namtuk
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:02:00 -
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Yeah lag can be bad but getting ganked is part of the game live with it. This game is nothing like Guild Wars or Wow (I know I shouldn`t say that word in here ) so how do u think CCP should make arena`s for PvP doesn`t realy work in space.
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Martinez
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:02:00 -
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well there are places you can npc in 0.0 that are not over run with rats. seems to me you just picked a bad place. only 6 jumps in? that was a bad choice. you will have to go deep into 0.0 to find a hole that has less traffic. even then you have to keep an eye on local. have mulitiple safespots in system. also joining a 0.0 alliance will not mean you are safe but it does help with info and maybe a heads up here they come warning. one of the main problems with large alliances is that groups of carebears are in them and dont help to defend the area so just go to iss or something and npc away. if you dont like that info give me your stuff and quit eve because you are looking for a game that has no risk of loss in it and eve is it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:03:00 -
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to the OP did u forget eve is a multiplayer game , to the OP u still trying to play solo in 0.0 and an area youre alliance/corp doesnt control mmm to the OP ah wel u get the idea if youre going to come back then learn to play co op join a local corp and be prepared to group PVP thats the way it goes overwise stay stuck in empire thats the way it goes to
could try wow
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:04:00 -
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AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
I'll QFT all of this except the AF part, you can rat just fine in a BS as long as you stay alert in local, and have decent agility. The BS's cargo bays are large for two reasons:
1) its a big ship
2) it should hold enough loot so that you don't have to stay in an NPC station system
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Lord Sidon
Amarr
Classified
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:09:00 -
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your in a corp and an alliance !!!! and you think you can go to any 0.0 and not be a target.
0.0 is not something you can solo in hostile space. all 0.0 is claimed by someone, and you think you can fly in and npc in any system without someone shooting you!!!
as for your loss check your "CCP\EVE\Logs" for a #errors file if you see exceptions listed there at time you got killed, then maybe just maybe you can get your stuff back. you have to send in this file with your loss mail, and if the error was logged server side also CCP will return most of what you lost.
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: mirel yirrin on 19/09/2006 13:14:59
Just laughing my ass off at this thread, seriously, can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?
But really, the last time I got killed ratting in 0.0 was in my domi vs a pilgrim (oh the shame) when I had EvE minimized watching, ironically, pvp videos. That must have been about a month ago and was due to my own sheer stupidity.
In any case, an AF is a great little choice for npcing in 0.0 if BS's are too much isk for you, especially the Ishkur. It has a great big drone bay and it can tank very nicely, and only costs about 25mil fitted so its less of a whack if its killed.
Aditionally, its easier to get past Choke points and escape from sticky situations if you keep a keen eye on local and just warp out if anything appears on your scanner.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:11:00 -
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nah ill take yorue stuff - thanks in advance
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Just laughing my ass off at this thread, seriously, can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?
But really, the last time I got killed ratting in 0.0 was in my domi vs a pilgrim (oh the shame) when I had EvE minimized watching, ironically, pvp videos. That must have been about a month ago and was due to my own sheer stupidity.
In any case, an AF is a great little choice for npcing in 0.0 if BS's are too much isk for you, especially the Ishkur. It has a great big drone bay and it can tank very nicely, and only costs about 25mil fitted so its less of a whack if its killed.
Aditionally, its easier to get past Choke points and escape from sticky situations if you keep a keen eye on local and just warp out if anything appears on your scanner.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Butter Dog
Heh, sounds like your first interdiction sphere. Hope you enjoyed the experience
Seriously though, you need to accept that you made a few silly mistakes. You said yourself you went NPCing in a 0.0 station system. How many other people were there in local? There was probably even someone in a covert ops outside the station watching you warp to a belt.
The golden rule of 0.0 NPCing is to do it in a quiet, out the way system, away from autopilot routes and CERTAINLY away from stations or otherwise busy systems. All the time no-one else is in local, you cannot be killed in PvP.
Also, don't bother ratting in a BS, you will get caught and killed. Use an assault frig or something. The Enyo is perfect for 0.0 NPCing.
I'll QFT all of this except the AF part, you can rat just fine in a BS as long as you stay alert in local, and have decent agility. The BS's cargo bays are large for two reasons:
1) its a big ship
2) it should hold enough loot so that you don't have to stay in an NPC station system
Yes, also true.
Personally I use an Enyo for the rare times I NPC, and I only pick up valuable named modules.
But you need a good understanding of the relative values of all named modules do to that effectively, since there is generally no market to compare it to in 0.0.
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Ominus Decre
Amarr
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ominus Decre on 19/09/2006 13:17:00
Just wanted to add:
I use the Amarr Assault Frigate "Retribution" for ALL my ratting needs. I have NO problem ratting in 0.0 altough you would want a respectible amount of gunnery skills to be abel to deal enough dmg to teh rats.
The Retribution is a fraction of the cost on a Raven. If you can't afford to lose it then you sure in heck shouldn't be using it.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 13:28:14
Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 13:20:07
The great thing about pvp in eve is that it's no arena style pvp, but really embedded into the game world. Otherwise I wouldn't play EVE anymore.
( I used to play Neocron, where it was the same. Non-consensual pvp was part of the game world, real politics, no arena style. But too bad, they somehow couldn't preserve and increase their initial success, imho due to some bad decisions that removed some fun and bue to lack of devs. )
If there was no MMORPG, where pvp is a major part of the game world and had a big impact, then I'd start such a project myself. I get only get a kick, if I play against real players, because they are more intelligent and not so predictable. The can bring the fight to you at any time and you don't know how and when. I can do the same. I call it fun. 
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:24:00 -
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started eve 3 years ago, had a break playing WoW, came back, had another break playing GW, came back. go figure :D
Hate consensual PvP
P.S.: UO rocked =)
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Rahvin Damodred
The White Star Consortium
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rahvin Damodred on 19/09/2006 14:00:08
only 4 warp stabs ?? 
Seriously , that isn't going to save you.
a simple t1 frigate with 2 warp disruptors can scramble that.
Even 7 or 8 stabs won't do anything against an Interdictor bubble.
You might have been better off with fitting all inertia stabilisers in the lowslots for fast aligning and warping out before they get a chance to lock you down.
And ratting in a battleship in 0.0 space on the fringes close to low sec and empire is just asking for trouble.
As others have stated , your better off with a lighter and more nimble ship.
I've been ratting in 0.0 for the past 6 months and from my personal experience a t1 cruiser or assault frigate is a much better (and a lot cheaper) option.
Specially if it's your first time there, and still need to learn the ins & outs and get to know the locals, because the chance you will lose a ship or two before you get the hang of it is very high.
Bringing a Raven just makes it a very expensive and discouraging learning experience.
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Tutaku
Pagans On Safari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:05:00 -
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The one thing youÆre right about is the ôhelpless timerö between your shipÆs explosion and the point where you have control of your pod.
There are regularly occurring posts which list things you can do to help minimize it; people suggest turning off the blink on your wallet and email, turning off turret effects, turning off visual FX, turning off audio. Geez, at that point you might as well turn off the renderer and play via text interfaceà
>Look
You are in an asteroid field. You see Tutaku.
>examine Tutaku
Tutaku is flashing red and targetlocking you.
>Warp away
Where do you want to warp to?
Tutaku is firing on you.
>Just warp!
I donÆt understand what you typed.
Uhh sorry, got caught up there.
As a programmer I know better than to psychically guess at someone elseÆs code, but whatever the problem(s) are the process of switching control to the pod is just horrendously slow.
That having been said, next time resist the urge in the back of your head to turn this into a general rant about pvp. YouÆll only cloud the one real issue you have here.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:11:00 -
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if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:14:00 -
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So Cheyenne Shadowborn, how this thread working out for you?
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Brackun
Caldari
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: d026
if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure.
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Allan Yorke
Fama Nefas
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:15:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
[..]Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.[..]
Arena style PvP is fun? Errr - no. GW an WoW have arena style pvp, and it sucks a lot. EvE has non-instanced pvp, and that is what's making it exciting - real losses help, too :)
You should give it a try. It probably won't change too, so you can either adapt or choose a different game.
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End Yourself
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rahvin Damodred
only 4 warp stabs ??
Seriously , that isn't going to save you.
a simple t1 frigate with 2 warp disruptors can scramble that.
You neither know the difference between disruptors and scramblers nor that 4 stabs are enough to counter two scramblers(-2 each), do you?
Originally by: Rahvin Damodred
Even 7 or 8 stabs won't do anything against an Interdictor bubble.
If you have triggered warp allready before the bubble is launched you do NOT need a single wcs to get out. And no intertia stabs either. Aligning for 10+ secs inside the bubble is just fine.
@OP: npcing in .0 is REALLY safe if you watch your back. WAY too safe in my opinion. But as long as CCP doesn't do anything about it i suggest you just "exploit" it like ****loads of others do. Mount a combination of all overpowered mods available on your BS(NOS/NEUT, WCS and ECM). Watch local. Warp in at range to belt or maybe even random bookmarks like 100km above/below the belts you make for every belt in "your" npc system earlier. Make different safespots. Be aligned to a SS 23/7 while ratting....... That should do for now.
If you don't mind overkill make safespots with the belt beeing in line between them and you won't even be not aligned to get out for the 10 seconds after warpin.
@DEV maybe reading the whine: pls fix the interdiction spheres. Fix NOS/NEUT/WCS/ECM. Fix local. Fix impossible busting of safespots. Fix belt rats so you actually get scrambled ALOT again........
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End Yourself
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Brackun
Originally by: d026
if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure.
That will safe your pod 99% of the time there is no interdiction sphere.
Also another thing. BEFORE your ship goes down make 100% sure you do NOT have people&places open. Every session change(jumping/docking/switching ships/...) forces the client to refresh the p&p and even with only a few bms you will have enough lag to die.
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Taria Scyre
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
hello,
youve met an interdictor.
inetdictor dont likes stabs, and makes em useless - and instead of stabs u lazy ppl have to spend attention to local and make sure u get safe (which is still ridiculous easy) when some1 mean lookin enters ur system.
yes ur whining.
yes it was easy avoidable.
no, u wont get ur stuff back, hopefully.
no go and learn ur lesson boy.
What part of him being lagged out don't you understand. I'm so tired of you stupid leet *******s thinking you know everything.
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Valkazm
Amarr
Cursed Spawn
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:35:00 -
[40]
sounds like you got stuck on a rock
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Taria Scyre
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Amazingly there is more to Eve than this (i.e. you getting unlucky).
You don't like free for all PvP? You shouldn't be in Eve, let alone 0.0
You can't go it alone? See here.
It sucks that you lost a ship to lag (if that is what happened), but don't go ranting about perfectly good game mechanics just because you got unlucky.
So being lagged out and unable to do anything is your idea of good game mechanics. Man you're an asshat.
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Jie Shi
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s.
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:39:00 -
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You embarked into lawless, open frontier territory and died
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Diane Chasseresse
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:48:00 -
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I feel sorry for you :(
CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard.
My advice :
Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) )
Ambre.
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Magnum III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:48:00 -
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PvP is fun in MMO's but in all of them you will mostly have no chance unless grouped, so that part IMO is not so much that it is not fun but it is kinda useless to play when you will have no chance at all except to run.
So I just hope the game has good PvE and run from the PvP hoping it is fun to run and get past them at least.
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Proteus Doctorow
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Proteus Doctorow on 19/09/2006 14:53:27
Cheyenne, we all agree the lag sucks. Most of us stick around because this game and its technology (and the amount of it) is riding the frontier of MMO worlds. But there seem to be other tactics that might have saved you and your ship, and I can't give you better advice than most of the other people on the thread.
What I can say, and I don't mean this as a flame, is that this is not the best place to be throwing the word "consensual" around, and in some cases even the word "balanced," insofar as it gets applied to other MMOs. EVE is brutal. It boasts a brutally realistic economy, brutally realistic terms of engagement, and losing in EVE is utterly brutal. Many of the underlying mechanics are balanced, but the farther out there you tread, the less fair and forgiving it is. And this is the game's selling point for the people it was made for. |
Sole Trader
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jie Shi
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring *******.
Nah - just the Eve Forum community.
Eve forums are where the real greifing takes place, not in game :P
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 19/09/2006 14:59:28
Originally by: End Yourself
Originally by: Brackun
Originally by: d026
if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
Or not hand them your ship + modules, select a celestial object in space and spam click the "warp to" button as you're about to lose your structure.
That will safe your pod 99% of the time there is no interdiction sphere.
Also another thing. BEFORE your ship goes down make 100% sure you do NOT have people&places open. Every session change(jumping/docking/switching ships/...) forces the client to refresh the p&p and even with only a few bms you will have enough lag to die.
About peoples&places:
It's usually a good thing to select a tab that's almost empty in peoples&places as default, instead of keeping the bm tab open. I use the blocklist for this.
Then people&places opens fast and it doesn't take ages to set your auto-pilot to a new system e.g. if your fleet commander gives you a new destination.
About lag when losing a ship, it's been all said. If you are in an interdictor bubble, you are dead anyway (at least if you play the game clean). If you're not in a bubble, just select a celestial object and hammer 'warp to' non-stop, a few seconds before your ship explodes. Then your pod usually warps out no matter of the session-change lag.
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5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hehulk on 19/09/2006 15:14:04
Originally by: Diane Chasseresse
I feel sorry for you :(
CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard.
My advice :
Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) )
Ambre.
Here's the thing with that arguement. Blizzard put out numbers for registered accounts. Great. How many of those accounts are still active, because I know of at least 6 that arn't. (Those 6 are of the group of 8 I use to be involved with that got bored and gave WOW up)
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:29:00 -
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Cheers for the replies.
Nevertheless:
If it'd been some ships with too many scramblers, I'd get a message that tells me I can't wrap because I am scrambled.
If it'd been an interdictor, I'd have gotten a message telling me that I am in some field and can't warp within a range of 20.000m. Been there, done that.
Unless there is some other way that an interdictor scrambles me that I don't know about that keeps the blue warp bar stuck with no message.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Diane Chasseresse
I feel sorry for you :(
CCP doesn't deserve special treatment from frustrated players. The game as it stands now sucks hard.
My advice :
Go give a try to WoW if you like PvP. It's by far the best game available at the moment. (ignore the morons here who say WoW sucks. 6.5 Millions players cannot ALL be more stupid than the average EVE pirate :) )
Ambre.
It is fun for some time, maybe even solo, don't know, I usually play in clan/guilds/corps and did that also in WoW, but with a lvl. 60 character you'll also have to make a decision: Either to invest time and effort and join a guild for the end-game content or to do the same again and again and be bored. I did end-game content for a few months and it forced you to work together with 40 people for multiple hours. So if you don't like that and want your solo freedom, you won't be happy with lvl.60 there.
Maybe except you want to do the pvp instances aka battle-grounds with random people again and again. Ultra boring after some time. Sorry.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.19 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.
GW != EVE. EVE is not about consensual PvP, it never has been and never will be. EVE is not a wow/eq/gw clone.
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore.
It shouldn't be 'find a corp' - it should be 'find a good corp'.
I take it you were in a corp where everyone did their own thing? Apparently so, if you had to schedule a once a week get-together :P
That said, PvP has it faults in EVE. However, even thinking of looking at gw for solutions should be an immediate death sentence for anyone with an iq of higher than 10. Comparing the 2 games doesn't work either, since GW is a squad based multiplayer game, and EVE is an actual MMO...
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 19/09/2006 17:06:11
Originally by: d026
if you see that you loose and want o keep your pod, eject bevore its to late and warp away:)
bad idea .. an ISS itty mk5 pilot had the same idea ... i had enough time to lock his pod and switch the scram from the industrial to his pod ...
remember every session change is (a bit) laggy (e.g. ejecting from ship, ship blowing up and entering the "pod-view", docking, jumping through a gate)
to the op - it sounds like you got bumped ... though using ctrl+space should have cancelled warp ... so dunno what actually happened.
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Turas Kain
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Cheers for the replies.
Nevertheless:
If it'd been some ships with too many scramblers, I'd get a message that tells me I can't wrap because I am scrambled.
If it'd been an interdictor, I'd have gotten a message telling me that I am in some field and can't warp within a range of 20.000m. Been there, done that.
Unless there is some other way that an interdictor scrambles me that I don't know about that keeps the blue warp bar stuck with no message.
If you where underfire, which it sounds like is pretty likely, the warp scrambled message may have not showed up. Instead it could easily have just given you the damage messages. It can't display them all in this case.
You also said the blue bar was going up and down, suggesting more likely that you were being bumped out of align.
What it comes down to is you were in hostile territory and not careful enough, by keeping an eye out on local.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:23:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jie Shi
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s.
No wonder, its clear the server suffers under the weight of too many players, if someone is looking for consensual pvp and arenas then eve is not for the game he is looking for and we could all do with little less server load if he decides to go 
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Vanlade
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:23:00 -
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EvE is great for me, and for all my friends in-game.
If you think that EvE suck, then you don't have to play it. Go play another MMORPG where you will enjoy your time.
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
A short story:
Yesterday I embarked some jumps into 0.0 with my "taxi" and for the first time also made a set of instas for the route. I decided to take my Raven about six jumps deep into 0.0 because ratting BCs in 0.4 or mining Omber for the fifth week just didn't seem fun anymore.
By the time I embarked in the Raven there was a small gate camp with a bubble but I got through. I arrived six jumps deep in 0.0, unloaded my cargo at a station and went to the belt looking for a rat BS.
About five minutes later several ships jump in, Domis and stuff, and start targeting. No prob I think - I have nerfed my setup with four (!) stabs, and I click to warp away. I had done this often enough in 0.4. Just that the darn ship now hangs there, "warping", and just does not warp!
For twenty seconds I stare at the blue thing moving up and down the last pixel waiting for the ship to warp - nothing! Shields now half down, I hit CTRL+Space and try to warp to something else. No warp option in the menu - the ship is somehow stuck warping but doesn't warp off. Then I get popped, then huuuge lag, I didn't even see my own pod, all I see then is a hanging "entering station" bar and the entire client hangs. Had to restart the client to say hello to my clone.
Now here's what stinks: To be making reasonable money one has to embark into areas that are forced PvP. And it stinks to be jumped by half a dozen ships. Other games I played, say Guild Wars, have arena style PvP thats actually fun because its matching equal numbers or strength, and its consensual.
In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
You can queue your posts telling me that Eve is a group game - I tried it and it just doesn't work, and even then a small corp has no real change. Been there, done that. Also. coordinating people to be online and doing the same thing, then waiting all week for friday night to do something feels like a job, not like a game anymore.
You can queue the posts telling me that I am whining because yes, I am, and that you are maybe more l33t and yarr and stuff - I am sure some people are and maybe for the this game principle is fun but not anymore for me.
You can queue the posts telling me that I should've been care-bearing in Empire - it just doesn't make enough money to be competitive one day, or those telling me that I should have had more SP or tech 2 items - its not going to help against overwhelming odds. "Watching local" is also not an option - its virtually impossible to find a 0.0 system with public stations thats deserted. Thats what stabs should be for, just that the $#+º!& thing does not work when the game lags and/or one is stuck in warp!
Maybe I should petition this but its getting silly by now to petition these things. I can't prove lag or being stuck in warp, and I don't really care anymore.
I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far.
The only thing keeping me for the moment in Eve is my investment in time and SPs, its certainly not the game itself at this moment
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
I am seriously frustrated and considering dumping Eve and play X3 or something, and go back to Guild Wars for my online needs, or give WoW a shot (so you can save the "leave", "go play WoW", and "can I have your stuff" posts, too). I know that PvP in GW is more balanced and much more fun, dunno about WoW, never tried it so far.
Go and play them then, you won't be missed.
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Oburn
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:05:00 -
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I find guild wars boring for the same reason you think its great. Consensual PvP with no real fear of loss is worse then grinding missions. Id rather get ganked in 0.0. Then again im old school UO player and know that losing in PVP means you just helped outfit the enemy heh. Most MMo's since UO are (for lack of a better word) carebearish with saves and no loss when you die....its just not exciting. DEVs please never allow consensual PVP, its the only reason Im still playing an MMO..cuz all the rest are crap.
But on the topic of lag, my buddy had the exact same thing happen to him in a mission recently. Had the warping message but was just sitting there then boom. It happends...petition, get your stuff back, move on....dont whine in the forums...we have enough lag posts here.
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Avaleric
Amarr
Afterlife inc
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:09:00 -
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that was warp lag - petition for reimbursement
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.19 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avaleric
that was warp lag - petition for reimbursement
NO don't petition for reimbursement. You won't be reimbursed anyway, and the last thing we need is another useless petition in the queue.
Instead of blaming this loss on lag why don't we look at what you could have done before you were already being targetted? Like, maybe, watching local? Staying aligned? Warping out at the FIRST sign of trouble, not as late as you possibly can. It's so easy to avoid combat when you're npcing that it's not even funny, you just weren't paying attention. Chalk it up to learning and respond quicker next time.
The new BFG.
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Dred 'Morte
Sabre Inc
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06
Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!)
-Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding)
-Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS.
-Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there.
-When you see a local, RUN! . (and log)
-When your out of ammo, go to your supersafespot, eject from BS, change to industrial ship, jetisson ammo, eject, get back into BS. Always log on BS, so, if by any chance anyone gets into your safespot with probes or some other way, the loss is not as big.
-KEEP LOW PROFILE. Don't talk, don't stay online for long when local shows up.
Basicly: adapt.
PS: Been there, done that.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
So Cheyenne Shadowborn, how this thread working out for you?
Just fine, thanks for asking. Unlike you, a lot of folks gave some good info, and my ego is mature enough to be able to take it to not "win" a thread once in a while.
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Rheinkraft
The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rheinkraft on 21/09/2006 09:07:59
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In Eve, on the other hand, the players who are not in a HAC and in company of ten corp members will always be more or less on the run in low sec - maybe unless they suck up to a big alliance.
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Please dont think that you have to be in an alliance or large corp to go where you want or do what you want. imo small groups of players work better and can quite easily take on double there numbers. What i have seen alot lately are players in large well known corps thinking they are invincible. They are just living off the reputation there corp has then get a rather large shock when they are sitting there in a pod.
Bigger is not better
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06
Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!)
-Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding)
-Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS.
-Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there.
Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner?
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:55:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 19/09/2006 20:02:06
Hello friend, I have the solution for you (A REAL SOLUTION!)
-Don't dock into 0.0 stations (keep reeding)
-Get an industrial ship full of ammo to a very low traffic 0.0 system and supersafespot it. Eject, get back to your BS.
-Reach that same 0.0 system in your battleship and hunt there.
Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner?
only if you park it in the center of the system (aka between celestial objects or at least in scanner range of them - a linesafe between objects is NOT safe) ... if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ... i think not many are so bored to probe with observator probes when they don't know that there's something to find 
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B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.09.21 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zhaine on 21/09/2006 10:39:42
Firstly: Lag sucks, you're right about that, if it was lag that got you then you have my condolences (which I'm not sure I know how to spell).
If it was a dictor, which is possible, then your lack of knowledge got you killed.
That said, regarding the rest of your post: It seems Eve isn't for you. That's fine, a game with non-consensual PvP is not for everyone, and I think no less of you if your someone who isn't suited to it.
What I do think less of you for is generalising and saying that the game sucks simply because it's not suited to your style of gaming. It's like me saying Pro Evolution sucks, is badly coded, buggy and has no redeeming features because I'm not a fan of sports games. Actually I acknowledge it as a well made game, it's just that I would never play it as I don't enjoy sports games.
It's the same here: You're disagreeing with the basic concept that Eve is built on (non-consensual PvP to get the best stuff) and therefore saying that the game sucks. It doesn't, as some people enjoy this style of game. You don't and that's fine. But don't come here like some f**king know it all and tell everybody that it's crap just because you want to play a different game. It's really annoying. So, to return the favour:
Go play WoW, n00b.
And
Can I have your stuff?
Also a lot of the stuff in the OP is factually incorrect or supposition based on lack of proper knowledge or experience. I would point specifically to the paragraph starting "In Eve, on the other hand" (just lol) and the sentence mid paragraph starting ""Watching local" is also not an option" (WTS clue: try systems without stations, why the hell do you need one to solo rat?).
But at least you can spell and use paragraphs, for that I give you credit.
(EDIT: This was a reply to the OP, only skimmed the rest of the thread)
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E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:35:00 -
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If he says he had his 'warping' bar filled, how comes some talk about an interdictor?
You don't get the 'warping' bar filling when inside of bubble IIRC.
He died to lag, like the game is slowly dieing to lag, soon only the fanbois will be left.
I don't see CCP improving the situation anytime soon, tbh, it's getting worse and worse since Exodus.
Unless CCP splits the server or buys more blade servers. Or anything that helps.
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Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.09.22 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Unless CCP splits the server or buys more blade servers. Or anything that helps.
I admit it. I'm a fanboy. EVE Online rocks. I'll stick around through the tough times because I waited for a game like EVE for many years. But splitting the server would be as much of a turn off as something like consensual combat would. It just doesn't fit. Space is big. The galaxy has over 5,000 solar systems (much smaller than any of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies, but I'll settle). CCP: Buy more servers and fillerup. Biotch. |
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Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.22 20:42:00 -
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I name all my dicters Non Consensual PVP for people like you.
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Posted - 2006.09.22 20:44:00 -
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Welcome to Eve! The biggest collection of griefers and arswipes in the online world!! Don't expect any sympathy from CCP. Not only do they hire from this cesspool, but there was likely a dev in the gang that blew you up. If they weren't, they freely admit that they would have liked to be.
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Circle of Jerks
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Posted - 2006.09.22 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner?
yes. but no one said it had to be an expensive loadout. even a crappy badger I with expander I's will hold enough ammo/loot to keep you busy for sometime. granted, as long as you don't play 23/7...
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Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.09.22 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: End Yourself
@DEV maybe reading the whine: pls fix the interdiction spheres. Fix NOS/NEUT/WCS/ECM. Fix local. Fix impossible busting of safespots. Fix belt rats so you actually get scrambled ALOT again........
"It's too hard to kill people, I'm so lame. Waaahhh."
Pot, meet kettle. You two have a lot in common.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Nova Republic
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Posted - 2006.09.22 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ...
How do you make a deepsafespot 100AU away?
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Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.09.22 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Liklin on 22/09/2006 22:57:50
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Jie Shi
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
AHahha someone complaining stabs arent good enough. GOLD.
Seriously, go play guildwars, or wow - and give me your stuff.
Man the eve community has turned into a bunch of uncaring ********s.
No wonder, its clear the server suffers under the weight of too many players, if someone is looking for consensual pvp and arenas then eve is not for the game he is looking for and we could all do with little less server load if he decides to go
can i get his stuff then ???? :)
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:54:00 -
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Of course it sucks - but as there is nothing out there like it at the moment - people put up with it.
Now if there was a serious contender ..... then ccp becomes RIP.
Its not hard just plain old economic fact.
As with politicians - they all end their careers in failure.
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Posted - 2006.09.23 01:56:00 -
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You forgot a couple of key points,
Unlike other PVP games , in Eve Time will make you stronger , Not Were you hunt.
You will Level Your skills as fast in Controled space as you will in 0.0.
Why Get all hot and bothered about the LEET people and their unfair advantage, Hell you do the math , Run level 4s in safe space, with zero risk of death , Compaired to the Constant Risk of Death in 0.0. Either place you are going to level your skills at the same rate.
I have had the same PVE mission ship for over a year, I cant count the Low sector ships i have lost.
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Posted - 2006.09.23 05:06:00 -
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Solution: Expect to die. Every. Signle. Time.
When I jump into non-corp 0.0, I don't expect to jump out. That way, when you DO happen to live, it's a good thing, rather than it being a bad thing that you died.
Oh, and unfit those stabs. Noobcake.
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:21:00 -
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Sounds like lag to me, I lost my first BS to similar conditions in a lvl 4 mission (I really shouldn't have taken it in in the first place, but hey live and learn).
Whith 4 WCS fitted, you need a scramble strength of 5 against the ship to prevent warp (all ships come with a warp strength of +1 except blockade runners, and to stop warp you need to reduce the ship warp strength to 0 or below).
I feel that non-consensual pvp is fine as is. I wouldn't be averse to arenas being put in as long as the rest of pvp stays the same, and that the same "death penalty" applies in these arenas (It would be fun to be able to just go to an arena and be able to fight without having to go looking for a fight if you are short on time. That said it may effect the game in other ways, so probably best to keep it as is).
I subscribe to the "Don't fly what you can't aford to live without" school of thought, which is why I never take anything bigger than a T1 cruiser into pvp unless really necessary.
There is no need to leave your hauler in 0.0, train anchoring to lvl 1, and you can drop a load of secure cans in safe spot. These are unscannable (as long as you don't leave a ship near them) and can be resupplied as often as needed. (you can also stock much more ammo than a hualer will hold)
I have spent most of my eve life doing things solo, even as a part of a corp ad alliance, but in our corp, we do help each other out when able, or just for fun. Even pvp is possible solo if you know what you are doing (just look at how much a Vagabond goes for, and that's a ship that sucks hard in larger fleet engagements, while being awesome solo or in small gangs) Interceptors work quite well solo as well, because you can choose to run or fight.
No I'm not a pirate or leet in any way shape or form (unless everyone decides to fly minmatar frigates only any time soon )
What makes the PVP great in this game is that when you lose, you lose stuff you worked for. Yopu have a vested interest in seing your ship come through in one piece. I got my 5th pvp kill last weekend (Jaguar v Harpy) and it was such a rush, because although there was only me and him in system, I knew he had mates, at most 2, jumps away, and I had a 20 mill ship + fittings to lose if I*****ed up (luckily this fight was won at the fittings screen because his mates didn't show up )
Anyway, I hope some of this was constructive and not all ramble
Akkarin
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:11:00 -
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were ya close to a asteroid ? as if your toclose you wil be stuck
although you should be able to stop warp and move away when that hapends
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Mista Sexamalicious
Sexa Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
if you place your ship on a deepsafespot (100-200AU+) you should be fine ...
How do you make a deepsafespot 100AU away?
Yeah. Inquiring minds would like to know.
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Umit Davala
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:40:00 -
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As an old corpmate of the OP, and having seen some of the vitriol flying about this thread, I would just like to say that Cheyenne wouldn't gripe unless it was bad...
I had similar things running a level 4 the other day - 10 second module activtion delay ftl.
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.23 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 23/09/2006 12:06:44
Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 23/09/2006 12:04:44
Concerning the lag: do a petition immediatedly. I did a petition a while ago because I lost my BRUTIX due a heavy lag. No chance to escape. CCP reacted 2 weeks later, gave me back the BRUTIX incl. the destroyed fittings and the insurance payment was tranfered back.
Concerning to what stinks: EVE is a very dynamic game. I you get ambushed by half dozen of ships in a low-sec there's no reason to complain about the game. That's the part of a nice adventure. That's EVE. If you want simple PvP rules you should play Unreal and Co. But even those games are full of high-trained addicted full-time gamers which give a max. frustration factor. No chance to beat them if you just play time by time.
EVE needs lot of time investment and planning what you want to do, what are your future aims. I see a big problem with complex online games because they collide merciless with your real life. I never can imagine that I will have the time to rule a big corp. It ends up in a damn Managing Director job like in my real-life corp. So: this case is closed till I will not win a lottery jackpot. But if EVE would be simplified it will end up to a common boring LAN Arcade game.
I see the future of online games very critical. Lots of people will **** up their private life and minimize their needs just for eating fast food, paying the DSL bill, upgrading their computers to be important and successful in a game like EVE. The day has 24 hours. Not a scond more. And I agree: if you start dealing with EVE like with a serious job it's some kind of sick. But it will happen. It has to happen unfortunalely or those type of games will have no future.
The whole MMORPG is frightening. And I am a part of this real life desctruction horror show *;-)
Presidente Gallente
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Makaera Koshito
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.23 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Makaera Ko****o on 23/09/2006 12:24:28
Originally by: Tachy
Sounds as if your raven got bumped out of alignment by someone with a clue how to do it right.
It's interesting that you are the only one that has mentioned this, but you are probably the only one who has got it right. I am quite sure that the OP was repeatedly bumped by an Inty or speedy AF, which is why the warping bar kept "resetting." The OP seems aware enough that if they were bouncing off a 'roid, they would have noticed that they were bouncing off a 'roid. It's not always noticable, especially in the middle of a heart-stopping PvP session where you realize that you are losing, to be completely aware of what is really going on. One lone Inty doing this might not have been noticed during all the clicking and cussing.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.23 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Thanks - but just curious: don't you loose fully loaded industrials that way to people using the scanner?
Probably yes, but the idea is to make more money out of ratting than what you lose from occasional loss of an indy of ammo. In 0.0 you can make a lot of money out of ratting. Losing an indy every now and then is not a big deal. You can even take the loss of a BS every now and then and still come out in the green.
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