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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.09.20 06:36:00 -
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I've been receiving isk selling spam for some time now. I've been a good boy and petitioned every single one. I always get a reply, but I cannot establish whether it is an automated one or not.
In the spam, two websites are mentioned. Browsing through my petitions, I noticed that the same two websites appear over and over again.
So, hence my question: is CCP doing anything at all against these spammers?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.20 06:41:00 -
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Soon(TM)
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Professional Troll
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Posted - 2006.09.20 06:52:00 -
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They are doing the same as you; What they can. The websites may violate the EULA, but they don't violate any laws so they can't be shut down. CCP can ban the spammers and that's all they can do at the moment.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.09.20 06:56:00 -
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Just an idea, Is it possible for CCP to implement a word censor in game ?
If so simply censor the offending websites. Ok theres loads of ways around that, but its better than nothing.
Alliaanna
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.09.20 07:06:00 -
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CCP could easily implement a filter for those websites, similar to profanity filter
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Serious Bob
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:21:00 -
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You've been recieveing isk, selling spam? 
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:59:00 -
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What EVE has and the internets doesn't is a viable and secure micropayments service.
Therefore, spam and messages from the blue ought to be able to come attached with an incentive or bribe for opening the message. Merchants will appreciate this lowering of barriers, and players can set their own limits.
CSPA charges should not be optional, although it should be possible to check off that little box up to a certain limit. Same for bribes. CSPA charges themselves might be worth increasing by range. If that's not possible, perhaps charges could relate to relative encryption and security?
This will make prospective merchants and permission marketers happy, high-filtered people happy, gang leaders happy, and random isk selling spammers rather unhappy.
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Corrd
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Posted - 2006.09.20 09:18:00 -
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Maybe CCP can stop trial accounts from sending evemail. Only receive them.
Or better yet. Set a server aside with a working high sec region dedicated to trial accounts. Only limit there would be they have to re-roll when they joined the live server. But the character is only 2 weeks old maximum and has a better idea of what they want to do in Eve anyway so a re-roll might be beneficial. I don't know how many are trialling at any one time but I'm guessing it's a workable amount
my 2c
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Corrd
Maybe CCP can stop trial accounts from sending evemail. Only receive them.
Or better yet. Set a server aside with a working high sec region dedicated to trial accounts. Only limit there would be they have to re-roll when they joined the live server. But the character is only 2 weeks old maximum and has a better idea of what they want to do in Eve anyway so a re-roll might be beneficial. I don't know how many are trialling at any one time but I'm guessing it's a workable amount
my 2c
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Stopping a trial account from using evemail is a really bad idea.
When I was on my trial, I received and sent a few evemails. (Let alone, Aura tells you to send one)
I may have been a trial account, but I do have friends.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:29:00 -
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what would be needed is something simple and effective
so block trial acounts from sending evemail and joining channels (so only corp, local and gang are availeble)
Allow a paying account to mark a character (a charackter, not an account) as sponored, giving it the ability to mail and chat as normal.
This sponsor need not even be visible to anyone but ccp.
Ban players that sponsor isk sellers.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Leneerra
what would be needed is something simple and effective
so block trial acounts from sending evemail and joining channels (so only corp, local and gang are availeble)
Allow a paying account to mark a character (a charackter, not an account) as sponored, giving it the ability to mail and chat as normal.
This sponsor need not even be visible to anyone but ccp.
Ban players that sponsor isk sellers.
What is to prevent the spammers from sponsoring their trails?
"It will tell CCP who the real spammer/isk seller is." - Well, not really. It is highly probable that the sponsor is the isk seller, but not definate. Justice don't work with assumptions.
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Xeoz
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:37:00 -
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The following post is directed at the spam petitioners out there. Not all you good people offering constructive advice on how to fix the situation. Keep offering tips on how to fix it.
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As annoying as the isk spam is. Im even more annoyed by the herds of people that petition each and every spam mail and chat ad they see, thinking their doing something useful.
Do you really think your doing anything helpful by filing the petition?! I've only seen one person/company spamming this crap. He always uses trial accounts, and always posts the same message.
I've had a real petition open since 8/25 and you guys are wasting the GMs time with something they cant fix anyway. What is the purpose of getting a trial account banned?! It will be auto-banned in 14 days anyway. He obviously has the incredible power to make (omg) another trial account. In the mean time every useless petition generated pushes my real petition, and THOUSANDS of others further back.
Please just give it up. Don't acknowledge the message, don't respond to the eve-mails, and of course don't buy the damn isk. There's nothing else worth doing right now.
The devs are well aware of the issue. It will be fixed as best they can eventually. Until then just ignore it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.20 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Just an idea, Is it possible for CCP to implement a word censor in game ?
If so simply censor the offending websites. Ok theres loads of ways around that, but its better than nothing.
Alliaanna
been suggested ad naesum they dont appear to be listening
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Leneerra
what would be needed is something simple and effective
so block trial acounts from sending evemail and joining channels (so only corp, local and gang are availeble)
Allow a paying account to mark a character (a charackter, not an account) as sponored, giving it the ability to mail and chat as normal.
This sponsor need not even be visible to anyone but ccp.
Ban players that sponsor isk sellers.
What is to prevent the spammers from sponsoring their trails?
"It will tell CCP who the real spammer/isk seller is." - Well, not really. It is highly probable that the sponsor is the isk seller, but not definate. Justice don't work with assumptions.
Suggested effect:
First time an account that sponsors a character that is later petitioned and found guilty of spamming an isk mail will get a 1 week ban on his account
Seccond time he gets a 1 week ban on all his accounts and cannot ever again sponsor another character.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Xeoz
The following post is directed at the spam petitioners out there. Not all you good people offering constructive advice on how to fix the situation. Keep offering tips on how to fix it.
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As annoying as the isk spam is. Im even more annoyed by the herds of people that petition each and every spam mail and chat ad they see, thinking their doing something useful.
Do you really think your doing anything helpful by filing the petition?! I've only seen one person/company spamming this crap. He always uses trial accounts, and always posts the same message.
I've had a real petition open since 8/25 and you guys are wasting the GMs time with something they cant fix anyway. What is the purpose of getting a trial account banned?! It will be auto-banned in 14 days anyway. He obviously has the incredible power to make (omg) another trial account. In the mean time every useless petition generated pushes my real petition, and THOUSANDS of others further back.
Please just give it up. Don't acknowledge the message, don't respond to the eve-mails, and of course don't buy the damn isk. There's nothing else worth doing right now.
The devs are well aware of the issue. It will be fixed as best they can eventually. Until then just ignore it.
I am realy annoyed by isk sellers for more than one reason.
-Proving economic viabillity of making your money in a game is not something I see as a good thing.
(consider the following for instance: taxation, minimum age for working (might be a good thing  ), laws that regulate time spend working and other minimal requirements for a healthy working space)
-CCP handles these petitions with priorety
-CCP wants us to continue to petition these cases (I asked)
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lienzo
CSPA charges should not be optional, although it should be possible to check off that little box up to a certain limit. Same for bribes. CSPA charges themselves might be worth increasing by range. If that's not possible, perhaps charges could relate to relative encryption and security?
This will make prospective merchants and permission marketers happy, high-filtered people happy, gang leaders happy, and random isk selling spammers rather unhappy.
So let's see. Merchants can't make themselves free to contact, you'll be paying fees every single time you add someone to a gang or convo them...you'll be able to roughly locate people by distance (triangulation)...
"relative security"... system? Again, oh, "he's in highsec/lowsec/0.0".
It won't make anyone happy. You're IMPOSING a rigid system of charges and allowing trackign via them. Turning off your charges is a perfectly legitimate option if you don't mind the occasional spam. It's the tradeoff you make.
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Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Lienzo
CSPA charges should not be optional, although it should be possible to check off that little box up to a certain limit. Same for bribes. CSPA charges themselves might be worth increasing by range. If that's not possible, perhaps charges could relate to relative encryption and security?
This will make prospective merchants and permission marketers happy, high-filtered people happy, gang leaders happy, and random isk selling spammers rather unhappy.
So let's see. Merchants can't make themselves free to contact, you'll be paying fees every single time you add someone to a gang or convo them...you'll be able to roughly locate people by distance (triangulation)...
"relative security"... system? Again, oh, "he's in highsec/lowsec/0.0".
It won't make anyone happy. You're IMPOSING a rigid system of charges and allowing trackign via them. Turning off your charges is a perfectly legitimate option if you don't mind the occasional spam. It's the tradeoff you make.
maya is very correct here.
when attempting to be deterministic, the determinants need to be much better then that.
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