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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:27:50 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
It really just sounds like you just own some bear assets and this just scares you.
I wouldn't live in highsec if you paid me 3 bil a month. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:29:47 -
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Don't have to live in hs to have hs assets.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality
DARKNESS.
905
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:33:30 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Don't have to live in hs to have hs assets.
I neither live in highsec, nor have alts active in highsec, nor own a POS in highsec. I do not have anything to lose by your proposal because all of my corps assets are in low and null sec, and will open fire on any would be hacker.
I merely think you are trying to push an idea that rewards your style of gameplay, with no countermeasures, no ability to prevent it, and with no regard to if it's a healthy addition to the game.
Some full on Reaver Glitterstim levels of "I want it, and thus it must be good" levels of posting. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.18 08:40:57 -
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Well the counter is the pos shoots at you. Not sure what the problem is.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:01:37 -
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so you basically want to remove as much risk as you can when attacking a multi billion isk installation?
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you want to know more about that tower join the corp that put it up and do the leg work
or just start bashing and let the candy fall
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:18:44 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Well the counter is the pos shoots at you. Not sure what the problem is.
Do you understand how long it takes a pos module to lock onto ships? Hell, out in null I can decloak a blockade runner, empty my mobile syphon unit, and calmly warp away before the pos even realizes I'm there. A frigate? The pos doesn't have a chance to lock unless the pilot is a complete and total moron.
Also, as to any arbitrary number you feel like throwing out as to a supposed "timer" before I can rescan it, I introduce to a concept called "alts."
Now, if you want to know what's inside that pos, do it the right way. Burn it with fire.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:44:51 -
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Here's the issue I see right now. People won't attack poses a lot of the time because grinding sucks and it's boring. So an interaction right there is missed out on. If people have a way to scan for poses that are worth shooting, they will be more likely to attempt to do it. Counters can be put in place so that's not an issue and that portion can be debated.
Really what it sounds like is that some of you have some loot pinatas and you're afraid on losing all your stash.
BTW It takes about 7 seconds for small guns to lock onto a frigate.
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Chaotix Morwen
Ugly Duckling Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.19 10:20:08 -
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I have wardecced and bashed my fair share of posses, and being able to prescan them would be legendary. Currently the only way to determine a posses contents before aggression is to get a spy into a leadership role of the target corp, what glorious content. A simple module with a 1-2 minute cycle would do the job, in low/null youll need to tank the POS to get your results, i feel there should be no flagging/penalty for doing the scanning in hisec, if youve setup a POS where it cant be openly attacked without 24 hr warning you shouldnt be able to selectively target threats to it. If you truly are worried about peeps finding your loot pinata just setup in low. |
Major Trant
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
1291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:51:48 -
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Just try to think how this would be abused.
You couldn't possible afford to put anything valuable in a POS in highsec, because you would be wardecced the next day and have it taken down.
You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in lowsec because the likes of PL would be scanning for loot pinatas constantly and would dread bomb any they find.
You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in a Wormhole, because you would guarantee a siege.
Knowing how much stront was in a tower, would totally reverse the intended use of it and instead enable an attacker to decide which TZ the second stage bash would occur in.
This would actually reduce conflict, because attackers would only attack valuable towers they were certain of being able to finish off during the second stage. Meanwhile defenders... there wouldn't be any.
This will particularly hurt the small entity trying to grow. The big boys will be queuing up to take their sweets off them. It will be like walking around a dodgy neighborhood with a sign stating how much cash you have on you. |
Chaotix Morwen
Ugly Duckling Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:44:24 -
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Major Trant wrote:Just try to think how this would be abused.
You couldn't possible afford to put anything valuable in a POS in highsec, because you would be wardecced the next day and have it taken down.
You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in lowsec because the likes of PL would be scanning for loot pinatas constantly and would dread bomb any they find.
You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in a Wormhole, because you would guarantee a siege.
Knowing how much stront was in a tower, would totally reverse the intended use of it and instead enable an attacker to decide which TZ the second stage bash would occur in.
This would actually reduce conflict, because attackers would only attack valuable towers they were certain of being able to finish off during the second stage. Meanwhile defenders... there wouldn't be any.
This will particularly hurt the small entity trying to grow. The big boys will be queuing up to take their sweets off them. It will be like walking around a dodgy neighborhood with a sign stating how much cash you have on you.
How is any of this abuse? If you have expensive assets out in space you should expect to have to defend it. Right now production POS are very rarely attacked due to the suckiness of grinds and the 1% chance you get anything of value out of it. If we could scan POS we can attack those groups that can afford to defend themselves.
You complain you wont be able to have a POS in hisec due to this scanner, because if you have value you will be wardecced, well if your POS is valuable enough to bash, its valuable enough to hire mercs to defend it (wardec takes 24 hours, allies only take 4 hours to join). I wouldnt bash a medium for any less than 3 bil worth of loots, if you have that much in it you should defend it.
The only reason youd have anything of value in a lowsec POS is capital manufacture, everything else you can do in hisec. Im pretty sure we can work out if your cooking a cap in a POS without a scanner :P SO in my opinion nothing would change in regards to low.
Are you seriously saying people siege POS in wormholes for loots? C1-4 bashes are plain hell and you only want to do them to either **** peeps off, or get them out of your (newly acquired) hole.
This would in fact help small entities, if your small you wont have a valuable POS, and now the pew pewers will know you have no real value, thus your property is safe whilst the big guys POS will be popped for the loot.
I would appreciate if you give this idea another think, im seeing a lot of people scared that the "big guys" will come along and attack every single small corps pos, i dont see any reason why being able to scan POS would cause this. The groups that would be doing this already do, and those with the power to rofl stomp every stick in existance are too busy playing blobs and ladders. |
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Juan Mileghere
Incident Command
Southern Star Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:08:33 -
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Only if it can only be put on JFs then it might be doable... Otherwise that's a terrible idea allowing people to gain intel lazily. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
524
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:15:39 -
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what is lazy about scouting out a pos? You assume there's a directory to all of them somewhere.
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Annette Nolen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
44
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:23:38 -
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It should be a deployable, like the moon siphons, that takes a long time to run (24hrs+) and then sends you a report on the contents. Further, like MTU's, blowing one up should trigger a suspect flag only.
Basically if you are getting free intel on POS', the POS owner should also have the opportunity to identify that someone is setting them up the bomb, and active POS owners should be able to stop the free intel gathering process outright. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
96
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:25:03 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:what is lazy about scouting out a pos? You assume there's a directory to all of them somewhere.
POS are easy to find. If your talking about a POS that belongs to a specific corp it is still not hard, it just takes awhile.
I still say no to this scanner as proposed in the OP.
Make it a Concordable offense to use it in high sec unless you WD the corp that owns the POS and I might reconsider this.
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Chaotix Morwen
Ugly Duckling Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.20 06:21:56 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:what is lazy about scouting out a pos? You assume there's a directory to all of them somewhere. POS are easy to find. If your talking about a POS that belongs to a specific corp it is still not hard, it just takes awhile. I still say no to this scanner as proposed in the OP. Make it a Concordable offense to use it in high sec unless you WD the corp that owns the POS and I might reconsider this.
I would agree that the scanner should only be usable in war if POS could not be pulled down during the 24 hours before war is active. |
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