Would be great to have a module that scan pos fuel reserves, stront, ammo, and hanger arrays etc.

Anyone that doesn't own a pos want to chime in?

Why would anyone who doesn't own a POS be qualified to make judgements about them?

And if you get a ship mod that can scan, I want a POS mod that blocks scans, and for it to be as small, easy, and simple to fit as the ship mod.

I'm ok with it being hackable. But only if I get to choose the mods placement like any other POS mod, so that it's within the shell of my other defenses.

Because of course pos owners are going to be naturally defensive against such ideas because they have their own self interest in the matter.
I think a hacking option is probably the best middle ground.

No

Why?

You cannot have a lazy mans way to determine if bashing a particular POS is worth the effort.

I might want to eat other stations

My take as someone who owns a POS and someone who takes an interest in what other people are doing with theirs:

1 - I like the idea of being able to scan the POS.
2 - Like Cargo/Ship Scanners it should not return 100% of the result.
3 - Like Cargo/Ship Scanners it should not trigger aggression.
4 - Unlike Cargo/Ship Scanners it should take longer to run a scan - personally, I think scanners should all be time based determined by the mass of the ship. The more massive the ship/POS the longer it takes to scan.


I've always liked the idea of hacking POSes - POSes that have been offlined, in order to "reclaim" the moon without going through the process of blowing the tower up (High Sec POS bashing is numbing). Hacking the POS for info might be an interesting take.... should ship/cargo scanners also require hacking?

Lazy mans way as opposed to...? Oh there is no other way really. We can guess and that's about it.

Wrong. People just won't do it unless they know fairly sure that it's worth the time. This way people have a way of knowing that they aren't wasting their time so they are more likely to hit the tower.

More player interaction = good mechanics.

What a convenient blanket reason for all sorts of things. Like the agressing side getting to cherry pick their fights and only ever have to wardec corps they know have extremely valuable towers up. That they were too lazy to infiltrate with spies. Because they wandered by and scanned them without the POS owner being able to prevent them.

Let's see if I can manage to find a bad idea that can be psuedo justified by the same excuse.

I propose you should be able to go into stations and kick people out of them, also instantly forcing a duel on the undock. After all, people in stations are not interacting with others in space, and as everyone knows...

More player interaction = good mechanics.

For you to find the tower, hack it and survive is a little bit different than your strawman idea.

I see hacking attempts go as such:

Buzzards, Anathemas, Cheetahs, Imicusi(SP?) are not targeted by the pos no matter how it is set. You attempt to hack the pos. If you fail, the pos blaps you either instantly or in short order (maybe giving you a chance or two to get away with each successive failure giving the hacker less time to get away.) I'd say that only these ships (perhaps Astero/Stratios as well as recons) can fit the modules to scan poses.

Then have it so you can only hack once in X amount of time. Or there's a 30 second window for you to hack before you are targeted and each failure lowers the amount of time you have. There's plenty of ways to balance it but the bottom line is letting people be able to scan what's inside some of the pos hangers/modules will provide more content and more recon play.

No
Why?
No scanner
No hacking POS
Both really bad ideas.

If you want the moon a POS occupies, or you want to know what is in it file the war dec and as they say have a go at it.
Not knowing what you will get if anything is all part of the "risks" you take when you WD a corp because of their POS. SInce this scanner by your own admission removes that "risk" it gets a no way from me and many others.

The risk is actually fighting and engaging it.

You could make the same argument about having timers on your pos. "Risk on your own terms, at the time of your choosing...etc"

You mean except for the part where the person attacking can choose to do so at a time that will push the timer into a preferred time for his own group?

And that's a timer where both sides know when to show up to defend the far more important reinforcement exit.

Not at all similar to being able to sidle up to a POS and hack it without it attacking, without needing to wardec the target in highsec, without the defenders ability to prevent you from doing so, and the only penalty for failure a timeout before the aggro resets on the tower.

Your idea had some potential, but in it's current incarnation it's all me me me self entitlement, with no opportunity for reasonable counterplay or countermeasures on the POS owners part until such time as you locate a convenient pinata and wardec the owning corp.

It really just sounds like you just own some bear assets and this just scares you.

Don't have to live in hs to have hs assets.

Well the counter is the pos shoots at you. Not sure what the problem is.

Just try to think how this would be abused.

You couldn't possible afford to put anything valuable in a POS in highsec, because you would be wardecced the next day and have it taken down.

You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in lowsec because the likes of PL would be scanning for loot pinatas constantly and would dread bomb any they find.

You couldn't possibly afford to put anything valuable in a POS in a Wormhole, because you would guarantee a siege.

Knowing how much stront was in a tower, would totally reverse the intended use of it and instead enable an attacker to decide which TZ the second stage bash would occur in.

This would actually reduce conflict, because attackers would only attack valuable towers they were certain of being able to finish off during the second stage. Meanwhile defenders... there wouldn't be any.

This will particularly hurt the small entity trying to grow. The big boys will be queuing up to take their sweets off them. It will be like walking around a dodgy neighborhood with a sign stating how much cash you have on you.

what is lazy about scouting out a pos? You assume there's a directory to all of them somewhere.

POS are easy to find. If your talking about a POS that belongs to a specific corp it is still not hard, it just takes awhile.

I still say no to this scanner as proposed in the OP.

Make it a Concordable offense to use it in high sec unless you WD the corp that owns the POS and I might reconsider this.