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Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:14:08 - [1] - Quote Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums. Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway. I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do.
Valkin Mordirc 571	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:58:33 - [2] - Quote I can't really see you getting flamed. Trolled sure, thats a given here. But you're right. shrugs Also yay another CODE. Thread. Y TEH BITCHES <3 U SO MUCH?! `#DeleteTheWeak`
Siegfried Cohenberg Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:27:12 - [3] - Quote I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter
Tasspool Harp Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:30:38 - [4] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums. Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway. I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do. Ps i agree about. Afk and multi boxers but belive if people enjoy high sec the shouldnt be forced out as they will leave and thats bad for the game. Hi I can't see anything flame-worthy here. Your suggestions seem quite practical. "Short answer let them win." Now that might strike some as problematic because CODE are the bad guys and we can't let evil triumph yadda yadda. The mindset that some players get themselves into on being taunted that "CODE always win" just leads to frustration because they find themselves entering into a futile exercise of trying to prove that CODE can be beaten. That is like playing chess against an opponent who has no king. No matter what you do you can never force checkmate and they will argue every time you failed to beat them. Why would you want to play that game ? The trick is not to get sucked in and play the CODE game. Unless you want to of course. Here is another idea. Think of CODE as being like all those red crosses that dot the game. Those crosses were in the game yesterday. They are here now. No matter how many you shoot today they will be back again tomorrow. Do any of us care about our inability to clear Eve of all those red crosses ? No. Do any us really pay much attention to what some Serpentis or NPC Merc leader says while you're in a mission ? No. So why care about the smack talk being spouted by CODE in local ? Block them if you want some clear air in local. Think of CODE as just another environmental hazard in the game. Tank or Move. Engage if you wish. Most importantly don't let others dictate how you should play the game. View the game through your own prism.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:48:10 - [5] - Quote Nice post, like your thinking
Leto Thule Team Pizza Disavowed. 2006	Posted - 2015.01.16 12:52:03 - [6] - Quote Yeah, following the tank your ship and pay attention style of EVE is the best way to win. But why did we need another CODE. thread? Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2015.01.16 13:24:11 - [7] - Quote Congrats OP, you figured it out! No, that's not me being sarcastic. Not getting ganked (or being at very, very, very low risk of ganking) is super easy. In short it's: flying a tanked skiff/procurer. The New Order will always have something to do unless suicide ganking is removed from game or is nerfed so hard it's practically impossible though. If every miner were to fly heavily tanked and be atk attention will be switched to different targets (which is already the case), shuttles, pods, haulers, freighters etc etc. You don't have to win the 'war with Code.', you just have to make sure you're not a victim in it.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1088	Posted - 2015.01.16 13:27:55 - [8] - Quote To OP: Your jib , sir. I like it. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 172	Posted - 2015.01.16 13:57:22 - [9] - Quote Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve! But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players. Forum Main
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:01:58 - [10] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve! But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players. The New Order has already stretched it's wings over to other MMO's. Too lazy to find the link on minerbumping though... Eventually, the entire MMO-world will obey the Code! \o/

Kairos Antilles The Scope Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:02:56 - [11] - Quote Siegfried Cohenberg wrote: I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter ...then getting blown to smithereens anyway
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:32:27 - [12] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: To OP: Your jib , sir. I like it. Thankyou kind sir but i suspect a trap of some kind according to your sig
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.01.16 15:23:59 - [13] - Quote Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play.
Velicitia XS Tech 2775	Posted - 2015.01.16 15:54:43 - [14] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play. Because apparently it's soul-crushingly boring to do. (hint, if you're on comms, and relaying stories of great adventures of the past - both in game, and IRL - these types of missions are always a good time). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Revis Owen Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 111	Posted - 2015.01.16 18:17:22 - [15] - Quote OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit. 10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank. Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.01.16 18:41:30 - [16] - Quote Revis Owen wrote: OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit. 10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank. Does your permit include protection by CODE vs. other entities? I believe that's how RL gangsters do it.
Ragnar D IX Ayn Rand Corporation 5	Posted - 2015.01.16 18:50:57 - [17] - Quote In my experience... I dunno why anyone uses a Retty or Mack anymore: WAY to squishy. Odds move to the miner with a Procurer or Skiff... in .9 or 1.0 space. Also... Any mining fleet ought to have ecm support.. by which .. I mean an armor-tanked Scorpion with sensor boosts. Also.. to you rock hounds... if someone in an ecm boat intervenes on your behalf.. throw them a bone sometime.. esp if they save your precious barge! My two cents...
Mag's the united 18740	Posted - 2015.01.16 19:28:57 - [18] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: To OP: Your jib , sir. I like it. I too, like the cut of the OP's jib. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 623	Posted - 2015.01.16 19:31:02 - [19] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve! But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players. I didn't realize using valid game mechanics was griefing
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2015.01.16 19:53:55 - [20] - Quote No way buy a permit lol waht a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster naughty .

Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2015.01.16 20:10:35 - [21] - Quote Dont get me wrong, they break no rules doing what they do as eve is mean to have the element of danger wherever you are. Target denial is just the easiest way to go as it plays them at there own game using game mechanics to avoid them. Yes they win by us being at the keyboard but hey why sub a game to afk play? Lets just take away the targets and have some fun
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 848	Posted - 2015.01.16 20:37:10 - [22] - Quote Damn you found our only weakness! Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2015.01.16 20:47:49 - [23] - Quote To bastardise voltaire i might dissagree with how you play but i will defend to the death your right to play that way lol
Jasmine Deer School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.01.16 21:32:12 - [24] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . tbh, after you have been playing for a while 10m isn't actually a lot of isk and I considered buying one when I started operating in CODE frequented areas. I had a certain amount of affection for them as well when they first came to prominence. What swayed me is that around that time James 315 sent out a communication that even permit holders were subject to being targeted by CODE if they exhibited bot aspirant behaviour (not responding fast in enough in local etc), and you could still be ganked because no one should think highsec is ever safe, and the correct response to being ganked was to be grateful and say 'Thankyou' to your ganker. I'm paraphrasing because this is going back a few years now. In other words a permit bought you sweet nothing and cost you space on your bio to boot.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2015.01.16 21:39:27 - [25] - Quote Well put, ive read alot of the same things myself. Dont pay just do everythin possible to make them work for it, run them ragged lol
Jasmine Deer School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.01.16 21:43:53 - [26] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: To bastardise voltaire i might dissagree with how you play but i will defend to the death your right to play that way lol LOL. In C&P that is usually expressed as "If I disagree with how you play I'm going to kill you"
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2015.01.16 21:47:18 - [27] - Quote Only if im not running like the coward i am lol. I always run first as a moving target is harder to hit
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 349	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:02:35 - [28] - Quote Jasmine Deer wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . tbh, after you have been playing for a while 10m isn't actually a lot of isk and I considered buying one when I started operating in CODE frequented areas. I had a certain amount of affection for them as well when they first came to prominence. What swayed me is that around that time James 315 sent out a communication that even permit holders were subject to being targeted by CODE if they exhibited bot aspirant behaviour (not responding fast in enough in local etc), and you could still be ganked because no one should think highsec is ever safe, and the correct response to being ganked was to be grateful and say 'Thankyou' to your ganker. I'm paraphrasing because this is going back a few years now. In other words a permit bought you sweet nothing and cost you space on your bio to boot. What we had were players buying permits and then going right back to their afk and botting ways. Surely you would expect us to not allow such insincerity. We would be hypocrites indeed if we let someone break the rest of the Code just because they paid a permit fee. Additionally there were some miners with such little self respect who would put permits in their bios without actually paying for them. I know, I know, the dishonesty and sheer deceitfulness are hard to imagine but remember we are talking about highsec miners so they have strange ideas about what constitutes honor and fair play. What you are discribing is Agents enforcing the whole New Halaima Code of Conduct. Contrary to bot aspirant propoganda we are not in this for the money. We have a belief and a cause and a Savior. The permit is cheap for a reason. There is no reason NOT to buy one unless one opposes what we stand for. For those people, who we consider supporters of botting and afking, well, they are the enemies of all Eve and they should, and will be, destroyed. BBB Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 349	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:32:32 - [29] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Only if im not running like the coward i am lol. I always run first as a moving target is harder to hit Don't forget to erratically change direction. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 469	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:21:26 - [30] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . 10M ISK is a waste of money? That is just a rounding error of a fraction of a percent of income for any active Eve player over a month old. If that tiny amount saves just one of your mining vessels, it pays for itself multiple times over. It just makes good financial sense, and more importantly shows who you side with. The side that embraces emergent gameplay, enforces risk and has fun with the game, or the AFK bot-aspirants doing nothing but watching thier ISK counter climb ever higher? Why would someone want to deny such quality content from the game? Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.

Michael Ruckert Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando 258	Posted - 2015.01.17 02:56:54 - [31] - Quote CODE? Haven't seen them when I'm mining in over 5 months. They still around? "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:02:39 - [32] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: [...] more importantly shows who you side with. The side that embraces emergent gameplay, enforces risk and has fun with the game, or the AFK bot-aspirants doing nothing but watching thier ISK counter climb ever higher? That also means you can make an ideological statement by NOT buying a permit, and it's free! Those CODE guys won't care since they never look at their ISK counters ...
Damnskippy Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 10	Posted - 2015.01.17 04:07:22 - [33] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . I have a hauling alt. It flies in a providence that has a rack full of complex nano plating. Her head is filled with a high-grade slave set. After spending all that isk, it's asinine not to spend 10 million more on a permit. Anything can be ganked. I take whatever reasonable steps that are in my power to minimize that risk.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 470	Posted - 2015.01.17 07:28:36 - [34] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Black Pedro wrote: [...] more importantly shows who you side with. The side that embraces emergent gameplay, enforces risk and has fun with the game, or the AFK bot-aspirants doing nothing but watching thier ISK counter climb ever higher? That also means you can make an ideological statement by NOT buying a permit, and it's free! Those CODE guys won't care since they never look at their ISK counters ... Of course. And no, an agent isn't going to notice the lack your 10M ISK - that is not even two catalysts. Share purchases and our faith fuel our fun. Pick a side and have fun playing the game. Just don't come to forums claiming the game is broken when your 200 M ISK exhumer vaporizes out from under you because of your ideology. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.01.17 08:52:13 - [35] - Quote Nope sorry but still not worried, hope you have fun. Target denial is still the way to go and if im caught? Well its just a game so I just hope my explosion makes pretty colours
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 470	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:26:01 - [36] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Nope sorry but still not worried, hope you have fun. Target denial is still the way to go and if im caught? Well its just a game so I just hope my explosion makes pretty colours Good. You are playing the game. Don't live in fear of some bogeyman like much of the AG channel. Play the game how you like. The New Order claims all of highsec so if you mine in our space without a permit you may get a visit from our agents. Only you can decide if that risk to you for non-compliance is worth the 10M ISK. Whatever you choose, we are making highsec a more interesting place and actually win in either case. The Code always wins. The only way you can really "deny us targets" is if you stay always docked up or move out of our jurisdiction. The first option is silly and while I guess we also win there, that really isn't our goal. The second may actually expand your horizons to what Eve is and you should consider trying at least once. So to summarize your plan to defeat us is to obey the Code in all ways except for purchasing the permit? Sounds like another win for the New Order! But seriously, you have figured it out. This is just a game and the best way to play is to pay attention and engage with it and others, have fun and be respectful to your fellow players. The New Halaima Code of Conduct is just a document to generate conflict and emergent content in the game - embrace that as you like. And when you get bored of mining solely to make that meaningless ISK counter keep climbing ever upwards, drop by the minerbumping channel and see what life on the other side can be like. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:34:48 - [37] - Quote I bet a lot of the code guys have mining alts too and afk/bot mine as well. If so that's a brilliant scam, use code to clear out miners where you want to be and move your own miners in lol. You even get others to pay you for it, bravo its an excellent way to play. I think its great tou have found this way to do it, really independent thinking. Its making eve a very interesting game environment watching the biggest scam of all I love it
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 350	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:33:51 - [38] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: I bet a lot of the code guys have mining alts too and afk/bot mine as well. If so that's a brilliant scam, use code to clear out miners where you want to be and move your own miners in lol. You even get others to pay you for it, bravo its an excellent way to play. I think its great tou have found this way to do it, really independent thinking. Its making eve a very interesting game environment watching the biggest scam of all I love it. Its also really easy to avoid to keep doin what I do. Well done and thankyou. Mining alts? Yes, they have hauling and industry alts too; as gankers they know the techniques gankers use and who the gankers are, as such they know how to avoid them. AFK/Bot mining? Extremely doubtful, that's just asking to get ganked; and in the case of botting, banned. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 742	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:48:04 - [39] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: I bet a lot of the code guys have mining alts too and afk/bot mine as well. You don't need a mining alt if your targets drop ore. While I do use the ore to produce the ganking materials (to get a steady stream of modules and Catalysts for a good price without a lot of market dependence) I don't do it to gain ISK. It seams that a lot of miners can't wrap their head around the fact that some players don't play the ISK game. the Code ALWAYS wins
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 471	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:16:13 - [40] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: I bet a lot of the code guys have mining alts too and afk/bot mine as well. If so that's a brilliant scam, use code to clear out miners where you want to be and move your own miners in lol. You even get others to pay you for it, bravo its an excellent way to play. I think its great tou have found this way to do it, really independent thinking. Its making eve a very interesting game environment watching the biggest scam of all I love it. Its also really easy to avoid to keep doin what I do. Well done and thankyou. Nah, most Code enforcers are in it for the fun, not ISK. We actually want to play the game, not AFK mine or bot to accumulate ISK for no reason. That said, several of them probably do make and sell mining equipment near where they gank for an income stream, and much of our funding may come from players who mine and want thier competition repressed. That is the game though. Eve is a beautiful sandbox where we are all competing with each other on multiple different levels. You can influence the sandbox is many ways, some obvious, some not. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.

Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:50:09 - [41] - Quote Yup, im going to have fun watching it and have fun actively avoiding it too so I win both ways lol
Miss Masquerade Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2015.01.17 17:37:00 - [42] - Quote I afk mine all the time, never seen a gank happen in or around "my" neighborhood. My guess is that they are all ganking in the lonetrek region, close to jita for easy access to ships and fitting. I used to run missions there, and I saw quite a few "incidents" back then. That's why you afk mine solo, in a remote system.....50 jumps from the rest of the world o7
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.01.17 18:14:30 - [43] - Quote Like it nice one
Varathius Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE 148	Posted - 2015.01.18 19:13:29 - [44] - Quote this game would be boring without CODE, plus, I just love reading CODE threads... CODE here, CODE there, keep them coming please !!!
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 159	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:06:36 - [45] - Quote Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS!
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:04:27 - [46] - Quote tbh I've never actually seen code win. 600 billion isk lit on fire, and highsec much the same as before. If it were a corporation, it would be in chapter 7 liquidation.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 479	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:56:04 - [47] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: tbh I've never actually seen code win. 600 billion isk lit on fire, and highsec much the same as before. If it were a corporation, it would be in chapter 7 liquidation. ikr i've been hauling on autopilot like crazy, their calculated efficiency is about 0.2%. So it's 99.2% propaganda 0.2% truth, there's nothing they can do to stop highsec carebearrs. The numbers are such that you basically have to have no life with many people (30-40) vs 10000s to be a substantial threat to hordes of highsec carebears who mostly don't give a **** and have safety in numbers. What they are trying to do simply can't be done as their propaganda is weak and execution requires dedicated work from many people around the clock. Most people also don't really care/don't like griefing carebears.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:00:45 - [48] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: tbh I've never actually seen code win. 600 billion isk lit on fire, and highsec much the same as before. If it were a corporation, it would be in chapter 7 liquidation. ikr i've been hauling on autopilot like crazy, their calculated efficiency is about 0.2%. So it's 99.2% propaganda 0.2% truth, there's nothing they can do to stop highsec carebearrs. The numbers are such that you basically have to have no life with many people (30-40) vs 10000s to be a substantial threat to hordes of highsec carebears who mostly don't give a **** and have safety in numbers. What they are trying to do simply can't be done as their propaganda is weak and requires dedicated work. Most people also don't really care/don't like griefing carebears. Tell me about it....6 months of running incursions....dozens of code threats to blow us up and shut us down...and actually finding a new order agent is harder than Where's Waldo? You do have to respect their propaganda effort....it's hard to create such an image of competence, while bearing absolutely no connection to objective reality.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 479	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:01:54 - [49] - Quote Siegfried Cohenberg wrote: I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter I recommend "Log off safely" while screaming anti-James 315 propaganda in local pretending to be scared shitless. Or actually just log off safely pretending to be AFK.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 479	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:06:12 - [50] - Quote Gorila Vengaza wrote: Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS! Disgusting traitor.

Rez Valintine Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 36	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:05:39 - [51] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS! Disgusting traitor (grr). Everyone knows you have no loyalty to any cause including CODE's "cause" Explain?
Jurico Elemenohpe The Maythorn 76	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:11:30 - [52] - Quote Rez Valintine wrote: Dream Five wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS! Disgusting traitor (grr). Everyone knows you have no loyalty to any cause including CODE's "cause" Explain? I think he's the AG mod that joined CODE. Not sure though.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 191	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:59:15 - [53] - Quote another lame idea that would require everyone in eve to know and act on this, soon youll be saying don't fly orcas, bow heads, and freighters so you don't get bumped jumping into a system and ganked "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ritsu Asakura State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 07:03:39 - [54] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty . To be honest 10 Mill per year? anyone with a mining barge can earn that in an hour maybe less so imagine how much you could earn in a year 100 Trillion maybe and trust me Taking 10 million from 100 trillion is nothing I do agree that CODE shouldn't enforce their rules on anyone with less than 1 million skill points though sine most people like that Don't have 10 mill yet
Mineur Maulerant Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:09:02 - [55] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: tbh I've never actually seen code win. 600 billion isk lit on fire, and highsec much the same as before. If it were a corporation, it would be in chapter 7 liquidation. Judging from the amount of ISK in the New Order Treasury I would say this is an inaccuracy. As long as we law-abiding citizens of Highsec and believers of player-created, emergent gameplay continue to donate the Catalysts will keep flying. It is quite the financially successful operation. But, it's not about the money. It's about the mission. Investing in the New Order is investing in a better tomorrow for Highsec.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 476	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:33:00 - [56] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: tbh I've never actually seen code win. 600 billion isk lit on fire, and highsec much the same as before. If it were a corporation, it would be in chapter 7 liquidation. ikr i've been hauling on autopilot like crazy, their calculated efficiency is about 0.2%. So it's 99.2% propaganda 0.2% truth, there's nothing they can do to stop highsec carebearrs. The numbers are such that you basically have to have no life with many people (30-40) vs 10000s to be a substantial threat to hordes of highsec carebears who mostly don't give a **** and have safety in numbers. What they are trying to do simply can't be done as their propaganda is weak and execution requires dedicated work from many people around the clock. Most people also don't really care/don't like griefing carebears. It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 857	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:47:23 - [57] - Quote Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: Rez Valintine wrote: Dream Five wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS! Disgusting traitor (grr). Everyone knows you have no loyalty to any cause including CODE's "cause" Explain? I think he's the AG mod that joined CODE. Not sure though. He is, and we welcomed him with open arms. Meanwhile he continues to receive nasty comments and messages from his former colleagues. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 161	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:47:35 - [58] - Quote Rez Valintine wrote: Dream Five wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Let CODE. win? but..but..the CODE. ALWAYS WINS!..ALWAYS! Disgusting traitor (grr). Everyone knows you have no loyalty to any cause including CODE's "cause" Explain? Explain? I spent almost a year In Anti-Ganking as a mod and running an Antiganking Blog. When I began my hopes were to see AG vs Code become something like RVB. What I found were very few people willing to do anything. There are some but not many. Mostly I saw toxic people like Veers who do nothing but TALK. I believe to play a game you should be AT YOUR KEYBOARD.. I got tired of trying to save AFK people so I joined CODE and have had much, much more fun.
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 161	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:58:16 - [59] - Quote And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:24:58 - [60] - Quote To paraphrase code whatever happens im enjoying eve immensly so in that sense i win, i always win lol

Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 752	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:49:39 - [61] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: To paraphrase code whatever happens im enjoying eve immensly so in that sense i win, i always win lol My friend, you are playing EVE right then. It is a game, all that matters is how much fun you have. the Code ALWAYS wins
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:04:10 - [62] - Quote Gorila Vengaza wrote: And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers. WOW YOU ARE SOOOO AMAZING. It took me all of 5 seconds to identify you as a code wannabee....and even though everyone else thought I was insane for equating an AG mod with a code griefer...turns out I was correct, as usual. Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:15:28 - [63] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'.
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 58	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:27:56 - [64] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. I think I'm going to have to take a page out of ole Feyd's book and kill it forward every time you come up with one of these ridiculous posts. I'll have them contact you for reimbursment, mmm'kay? Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:30:22 - [65] - Quote Tyyler DURden wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. I think I'm going to have to take a page out of ole Feyd's book and kill it forward every time you come up with one of these ridiculous posts. Good luck....it was a pretty ineffective campaign. I would suggest only posting Evemail snippets in the pirate story thread.
Leto Thule Team Pizza Disavowed. 2019	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:41:49 - [66] - Quote Shut up Veers Kell. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3659	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:15:43 - [67] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 164	Posted - 2015.01.21 04:59:47 - [68] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers. WOW YOU ARE SOOOO AMAZING. It took me all of 5 seconds to identify you as a code wannabee....and even though everyone else thought I was insane for equating an AG mod with a code griefer...turns out I was correct, as usual. Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. Veers, still butthurt about me Gagging him i see..Veers did you tell everyone how you rage logged after i gagged you?
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 440	Posted - 2015.01.21 05:46:43 - [69] - Quote Gorila Vengaza wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers. WOW YOU ARE SOOOO AMAZING. It took me all of 5 seconds to identify you as a code wannabee....and even though everyone else thought I was insane for equating an AG mod with a code griefer...turns out I was correct, as usual. Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. Veers, still butthurt about me Gagging him i see..Veers did you tell everyone how you rage logged after i gagged you? Ya, after easily outwitting you I got bored and left. You aren't really of the intellectual caliber to handle me in a debate....maybe if there were 10 of you....
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 164	Posted - 2015.01.21 06:12:47 - [70] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers. WOW YOU ARE SOOOO AMAZING. It took me all of 5 seconds to identify you as a code wannabee....and even though everyone else thought I was insane for equating an AG mod with a code griefer...turns out I was correct, as usual. Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. Veers, still butthurt about me Gagging him i see..Veers did you tell everyone how you rage logged after i gagged you? Ya, after easily outwitting you I got bored and left. You aren't really of the intellectual caliber to handle me in a debate....maybe if there were 10 of you.... Veers, I don't debate with children. Just go back in the barn and you can come out later and bray at everyone when the adults are finished talking

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 378	Posted - 2015.01.21 09:38:17 - [71] - Quote Veers, you don't debate, you just insist that you're right; normally in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Leto Thule Team Pizza Disavowed. 2024	Posted - 2015.01.21 10:15:02 - [72] - Quote Gorila Vengaza wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Gorila Vengaza wrote: And before anyone starts crying at me "if you were a mod, why didnt you do something about the Toxic people??" I did. Im one of the few people alive who has had the absolute pleasure of GAGGING Veers. WOW YOU ARE SOOOO AMAZING. It took me all of 5 seconds to identify you as a code wannabee....and even though everyone else thought I was insane for equating an AG mod with a code griefer...turns out I was correct, as usual. Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. Veers, still butthurt about me Gagging him i see..Veers did you tell everyone how you rage logged after i gagged you? Ya, after easily outwitting you I got bored and left. You aren't really of the intellectual caliber to handle me in a debate....maybe if there were 10 of you.... Veers, I don't debate with children. Just go back in the barn and you can come out later and bray at everyone when the adults are finished talking Lmfao Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 639	Posted - 2015.01.21 10:57:44 - [73] - Quote Siegfried Cohenberg wrote: I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter I endorse Siegfrieds services
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 639	Posted - 2015.01.21 10:59:04 - [74] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers, you don't debate, you just insist that you're right; normally in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Yep last time he debated me he's still crying about it XD Inb4 veers starts saying random things with nothing too back it up :)
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 639	Posted - 2015.01.21 11:03:32 - [75] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. Thank you code agent ezwald. It's nice to see anti-gankers put in there place
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 380	Posted - 2015.01.21 11:18:09 - [76] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Inb4 veers starts saying random things with nothing too back it up :) When did he stop? ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 251	Posted - 2015.01.21 11:22:18 - [77] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. The channel does a fine job bringing disrepute to itself without any New Order agents helping in the process.... I brought some alts into the channel to 'spy' and maybe have a little fun screwing with the inhabitants I very quickly learned that there was even less intelligence to be gathered than I expected and that the inhabitants did so much in-fighting there really was no point in trying to disrupt it any further. If fact, I found myself giving advice in no time as I could simply not stand the sheer ammount of bullshit that gets tossed around in the channel.
Sonne7 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.21 13:24:07 - [78] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Enjoy your claim to fame for a 15 minute gag as a mod of a channel you never belonged in and brought nothing but disrepute to. You are truly now where you rightfully belong, sir. The channel does a fine job bringing disrepute to itself without any New Order agents helping in the process.... I brought some alts into the channel to 'spy' and maybe have a little fun screwing with the inhabitants I very quickly learned that there was even less intelligence to be gathered than I expected and that the inhabitants did so much in-fighting there really was no point in trying to disrupt it any further. If fact, I found myself giving advice in no time as I could simply not stand the sheer ammount of bullshit that gets tossed around in the channel. i found the channel very helpfull, only infighting i have seen has come from the bitter fire of a code spy, most show them selfs very fast and most of us don't care, not sure why they do so much Veers keep doing what your doing , just shows its working from the flak you get and why loyalanon with the silly one liners, maybe the best thing you can contribute to the conversation would be silence
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 251	Posted - 2015.01.21 13:38:10 - [79] - Quote Sonne7 wrote: i found the channel very helpfull, only infighting i have seen has come from the bitter fire of a code spy, most show them selfs very fast and most of us don't care, not sure why they do so much Haven't been active lately but a few months ago it was horrible.... Few ppl that were overly paranoid accusing each other of being 'spais' or 'sympathetic' to gankers. Doesn't take much to be labeled a spai it seems :D
ISD Supogo ISD Community Communications Liaisons 464	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:06:53 - [80] - Quote Removed a post. Quote: Forum rules 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited. CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. ISD Supogo Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 587	Posted - 2015.01.23 11:06:30 - [81] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Sonne7 wrote: i found the channel very helpfull, only infighting i have seen has come from the bitter fire of a code spy, most show them selfs very fast and most of us don't care, not sure why they do so much Haven't been active lately but a few months ago it was horrible.... Few ppl that were overly paranoid accusing each other of being 'spais' or 'sympathetic' to gankers. Doesn't take much to be labeled a spai it seems :D Edit: not that there isn't some useful info that can be obtained from there. The fittings listed in it can most certainly be helpful. It's just that they are very ineffective at achieving their goals (which should be not getting ganked). Lots of raging and cheering for killmailwhoring on CONCORD kills, which leaves many believing that stuff like that actually does some good, it's not even good for propaganda to any sane informed person. It's focus should be on DENYING the New Order kills, which the OP promotes. The AG channel should do the same. Of course playing the game decently so you aren't easy pickings means the New Order wins We welcome defectors with open arms. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 60	Posted - 2015.01.24 04:46:47 - [82] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Tyyler DURden wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. I think I'm going to have to take a page out of ole Feyd's book and kill it forward every time you come up with one of these ridiculous posts. Good luck....it was a pretty ineffective campaign. I would suggest only posting Evemail snippets in the pirate story thread. One innocent retriever pilot decommisioned and podded in your name Veers. I sent him your info so you two can get together and work out the details of reimbursment. Oh yeah, hes german, so good luck with google translate. Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Leto Thule Team Pizza Disavowed. 2032	Posted - 2015.01.24 07:13:27 - [83] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. Why would agents try to gank targets that are super tanked, with reps on grid, and aren't afk? They follow the Code, even if they aren't trying to. The only "weak" players are the ones whom choose not to tank, choose to be afk, and choose not to buy a permit in a system with known agent presence. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Sonne7 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.01.24 15:10:59 - [84] - Quote when ISD remove a post is there anyway to see who it was from
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 61	Posted - 2015.01.24 16:48:06 - [85] - Quote Sonne7 wrote: when ISD remove a post is there anyway to see who it was from 1. The first rule about forum moderation, we don't talk about forum moderation. 2. The second rule about forum moderation,we DON'T talk about forum moderation. Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 405	Posted - 2015.01.24 18:00:38 - [86] - Quote Sonne7 wrote: when ISD remove a post is there anyway to see who it was from Depending on how fast it was moderated Eve-search is often able to show moderated posts, in this case the ISD team were lightning quick and the Eve search cache doesn't show it. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 64	Posted - 2015.01.24 18:35:44 - [87] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. Wow. A game that preys on the weak? Unbelievable. Utterly unheard of. Cause we all know that when we play other games, like Dota 2, you would never get fed off of people who are weaker than you. Thats why the weaker team always wins, because the stronger team refuses to pick on and feed off of them. Same as any other game. See a weaker, lower ranked player in Call of duty? Off limits. No one is allowed to shoot him. Otherwise, you would be a bully, going after a weaker, more pathetic target. This is how eve should be. If a 5 ship nullsec gatecamp sees only 1 ship jump through, they should let them go. After all, that ship is weaker than the 5 ships in the gatecamp, and they shouldnt be bullies who prey on the weakest targets. Same goes for industrials, all industrials should be off limits to shoot at in low and nullsec space. Even if you see a Jump freighter afk in the middle of space, you should not attack it.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 472	Posted - 2015.01.24 21:56:36 - [88] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. Wow. A game that preys on the weak? Unbelievable. Utterly unheard of. Cause we all know that when we play other games, like Dota 2, you would never get fed off of people who are weaker than you. Thats why the weaker team always wins, because the stronger team refuses to pick on and feed off of them. Same as any other game. See a weaker, lower ranked player in Call of duty? Off limits. No one is allowed to shoot him. Otherwise, you would be a bully, going after a weaker, more pathetic target. This is how eve should be. If a 5 ship nullsec gatecamp sees only 1 ship jump through, they should let them go. After all, that ship is weaker than the 5 ships in the gatecamp, and they shouldnt be bullies who prey on the weakest targets. Same goes for industrials, all industrials should be off limits to shoot at in low and nullsec space. Even if you see a Jump freighter afk in the middle of space, you should not attack it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 64	Posted - 2015.01.25 00:54:43 - [89] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Black Pedro wrote: It's funny how opponents of the New Order vacillate between the Code-is-the-greatest-threat-to-the-game-ever-so-nerf-everything-now position and this Code-are-inconsequential position, although apparently not inconsequential enough for them to stop posting about Code on the forums. Either we are small number of players living on the fringes of highsec aggression mechanics, barely influencing New Eden and therefore the repeated cries for increased safety by carebears are just whining (Nerf bumping! Station lockouts! Buff CONCORD! We want consequences!), or we are indeed a significant threat to highsec safety (10T ISK?), in which case, well, you probably should buy a permit. New order is a threat to new/casual players. It makes the game unpleasant for them, and they respond by quitting. That is bad for the game. New order is a joke to elite PvE players. Incursion runners and mission runners regularly laugh at the incompetence and failed ganks. Actually finding an agent in an incursion zone is harder than Where's Waldo? Turns out the bullies only go after the weakest and most pathetic targets. Touche'. Wow. A game that preys on the weak? Unbelievable. Utterly unheard of. Cause we all know that when we play other games, like Dota 2, you would never get fed off of people who are weaker than you. Thats why the weaker team always wins, because the stronger team refuses to pick on and feed off of them. Same as any other game. See a weaker, lower ranked player in Call of duty? Off limits. No one is allowed to shoot him. Otherwise, you would be a bully, going after a weaker, more pathetic target. This is how eve should be. If a 5 ship nullsec gatecamp sees only 1 ship jump through, they should let them go. After all, that ship is weaker than the 5 ships in the gatecamp, and they shouldnt be bullies who prey on the weakest targets. Same goes for industrials, all industrials should be off limits to shoot at in low and nullsec space. Even if you see a Jump freighter afk in the middle of space, you should not attack it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA Also, why do people keep blaming the victims in other games? Its never the miners fault when he gets ganked. Its never the Freighter pilots fault when he goes afk in Uedama for 2 hours in an untanked ship. And yet, every time i play Dota 2, and go afk in the middle of the lane and end up feeding, people call me an idiot. If I want to walk into the middle of the lane, and go afk, i should be able to. Its the opposite teams fault for attacking me when im clearly defenseless and wont fight back. And yet my teamates yell and scream at me as if its somehow my fault. I should be able to play the game, the way i want to. The enemy team has no right to kill me. I should send a letter to Valve, so that they can fix this exploit.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 01:54:09 - [90] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Also, why do people keep blaming the victims in other games? Its never the miners fault when he gets ganked. Its never the Freighter pilots fault when he goes afk in Uedama for 2 hours in an untanked ship. And yet, every time i play Dota 2, and go afk in the middle of the lane and end up feeding, people call me an idiot. If I want to walk into the middle of the lane, and go afk, i should be able to. Its the opposite teams fault for attacking me when im clearly defenseless and wont fight back. And yet my teamates yell and scream at me as if its somehow my fault. I should be able to play the game, the way i want to. The enemy team has no right to kill me. I should send a letter to Valve, so that they can fix this exploit. In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common.

Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 61	Posted - 2015.01.25 02:02:40 - [91] - Quote Did you send that poor german fellow his reimbursment yet Veers? Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 02:43:40 - [92] - Quote Tyyler DURden wrote: Did you send that poor german fellow his reimbursment yet Veers? Which one? The folks who get the reimbursement evemails think it's a troll and never ask me for isk...new business model needed.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 406	Posted - 2015.01.25 03:21:24 - [93] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence? ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 03:31:18 - [94] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so? Wars can be avoided by dropping corp....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 406	Posted - 2015.01.25 03:41:40 - [95] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so? Wars can be avoided by dropping corp Ganking can be avoided just as readily, the means of doing so has been posted repeatedly. Quote: ....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that. So in your book it's OK for people to counter wardecs by either dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, but it's not OK for would be war-deccers to counter that by ganking them instead? The question remains, which act is punished in highsec; the act of killing, or the act of killing without having paid Concord off? ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 04:45:13 - [96] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. It's not an illegal act in Eve by any means, wardecs prove that. Ganking in highsec carries a penalty yes, but for what? The act of killing or the act of not paying for a Concord approved hunting licence to do so? Wars can be avoided by dropping corp Ganking can be avoided just as readily, the means of doing so has been posted repeatedly. Quote: ....the ganking of npc corp haulers is absolutely a crime and no payment to concord could change that. So in your book it's OK for people to counter wardecs by either dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, but it's not OK for would be war-deccers to counter that by ganking them instead? The question remains, which act is punished in highsec; the act of killing, or the act of killing without having paid Concord off? Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what? The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in.
Leto Thule Team Pizza Disavowed. 2037	Posted - 2015.01.25 05:13:31 - [97] - Quote EVE is now being compared to DOTA? What the ****? Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 406	Posted - 2015.01.25 10:19:18 - [98] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what? Irrelevant, also melodramatic and a silly thing to say. Quote: The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in. According to you, all killing in hisec is "wrongful". Wardecs and ganking are explicitly allowed game mechanics. Wardecs can be avoided by dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, also explicitly allowed game mechanics. Ganking is the counter to the evasion of wardecs. Not being a bloody idiot is the counter to ganking. The only guarantee given by any of the above is that somebody will explode, either at the hands of another player, or at the hands of Concord. Ganking is the punishment for the "wrongful" evasion of aggression via the wardec mechanics, Concord is the punishment for the "wrongful" non payment of a bribe. You're not meant to feel safe in New Eden, ganking and wardecs are part of the mechanisms that facilitate this. The complete avoidance of aggression from others is neither intended, or desirable. TL;DR Working as intended. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 15:47:24 - [99] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking could also be avoided by not logging on. Much like real life could be prevented by locking yourself in your house? So what? Irrelevant, also melodramatic and a silly thing to say. Quote: The act of WRONGFUL killing is punished...and that is what code specializes in. According to you, all killing in hisec is "wrongful". Avoiding the question by trying to change the context is still avoiding the question btw Wardecs and ganking are explicitly allowed game mechanics. Wardecs can be avoided by dropping corp or remaining in an NPC corp, also explicitly allowed game mechanics. Ganking is the counter to the evasion of wardecs. Not being a blithering idiot is the counter to ganking. The only guarantee given by any of the above is that somebody may explode, either at the hands of another player, or at the hands of Concord. Ganking is the punishment for the "wrongful" evasion of aggression via the wardec mechanics, Concord is the punishment for the "wrongful" non payment of a bribe. You're not meant to feel safe in New Eden, even in hisec. Ganking and wardecs are part of the mechanisms that facilitate this. The complete avoidance of aggression from others is neither intended, nor desirable. TL;DR Working as intended. Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 64	Posted - 2015.01.25 16:45:03 - [100] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: Also, why do people keep blaming the victims in other games? Its never the miners fault when he gets ganked. Its never the Freighter pilots fault when he goes afk in Uedama for 2 hours in an untanked ship. And yet, every time i play Dota 2, and go afk in the middle of the lane and end up feeding, people call me an idiot. If I want to walk into the middle of the lane, and go afk, i should be able to. Its the opposite teams fault for attacking me when im clearly defenseless and wont fight back. And yet my teamates yell and scream at me as if its somehow my fault. I should be able to play the game, the way i want to. The enemy team has no right to kill me. I should send a letter to Valve, so that they can fix this exploit. In Dota 2 it's perfectly legal to kill people. In Eve it's an illegal criminal act - so the two cases have nothing in common. Only within in-game lore. Its still a valid game mechanic. Kinda like how its an illegal criminal act to steal from a vendor in Skyrim. But does it make you immoral to do so? Is it wrong to do so?

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 409	Posted - 2015.01.25 17:25:56 - [101] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.25 18:45:07 - [102] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed."
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 63	Posted - 2015.01.26 01:56:52 - [103] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." Here we go again Veers. You've posted some silly things in this thread but this last one takes the cake. I should of known it would be sooner rather then later that you would post something so completely ridiculous that the only response would be to kill it forward once again. You'll be hearing from another innocent soon, begging for reimbursment, and pleading that you stop the madness that is your forum posting. I'll try to get an english speaker this time. Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 410	Posted - 2015.01.26 02:38:46 - [104] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." The difference is that shoplifting in real life is explicitly forbidden by the powers that be. In Eve the powers that be are CCP, and they explicitly allow ganking to happen; by virtue of the fact that they could just code it out of the game, by completely removing the ability to shoot at other players in hisec without the appropriate combat flag being present or other criteria, such as a wardec, being met. That they haven't done so speaks volumes. The Evelopedia article on suicide ganking contains the following sentence; which makes any comparison to real life crime totally redundant: Quote: While suicide ganking remains a controversial tactic to some pilots, it has been firmly established that it plays an important role in the universe of New Eden. Your little moral crusade is based on false assumptions and out of context arguments, kindly take it elsewhere. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2015.01.26 07:15:15 - [105] - Quote Yay my thread was derailed by veers lol, am i now a proper eve member? Do i win a prize?
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 412	Posted - 2015.01.26 09:43:30 - [106] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2015.01.26 09:55:01 - [107] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 445	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:38:45 - [108] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 421	Posted - 2015.01.26 22:11:57 - [109] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. Who you post with is nowhere near as important as what you post. You, for example, are in a non NPC corp, but your posting is so terrible we ridicule you anyway. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 494	Posted - 2015.01.27 01:20:45 - [110] - Quote Well put good sir o7 Your point is excellent however your audience is wrong The people who give ganker alliances their content are not reading forms, have no understanding as to what suicide ganking is and simply play the Game as the basic game What we walk into is the "meta game" of high sec and like most politics and beliefs this goes right over their head and so I do what any good Samaritan would do and cloak up sneak up on them and pop up next to them and explain why using a hulk ONE JUMP FROM UEDEMA IS A FLIPPING BAD ID... hrrmm excuse my outburst some points to make 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) The answer is that both the extremist of the Code. and the white knights are as bad as each other and the project is starting a dialogue between the moderates of the two groups to pull their crazies into line and then let the cat and mouse game begin...um mabe the cat, the mouse and the cheese game The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be

Dun'Gal Myriad Contractors Inc. 191	Posted - 2015.01.27 08:05:53 - [111] - Quote Off-topic, but wanted to post how refreshing C&P threads sometimes are - feels nice not to read GD flame fests XD
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2015.01.27 08:19:39 - [112] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. Sorry no alt just quite new and taking my time. I also quite like the folks ive met in the starter corp so why hustle off? Nice troll attempt tho but not the best. Playing eve the way i want, doing what i fancy at the tine lol.
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2015.01.27 08:26:09 - [113] - Quote Vapor Ventrillian wrote: Well put good sir o7 Your point is excellent however your audience is wrong The people who give ganker alliances their content are not reading forms, have no understanding as to what suicide ganking is and simply play the Game as the basic game What we walk into is the "meta game" of high sec and like most politics and beliefs this goes right over their head and so I do what any good Samaritan would do and cloak up sneak up on them and pop up next to them and explain why using a hulk ONE JUMP FROM UEDEMA IS A FLIPPING BAD ID... hrrmm excuse my outburst some points to make 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) The answer is that both the extremist of the Code. and the white knights are as bad as each other and the project is starting a dialogue between the moderates of the two groups to pull their crazies into line and then let the cat and mouse game begin...um mabe the cat, the mouse and the cheese game Thankyou good fellow o7
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4958	Posted - 2015.01.27 09:54:43 - [114] - Quote Renard Solo wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Renard Solo wrote: Do i win a prize? You did win a prize, but this being Eve somebody stole it before it could be given to you Dammit ima have to submit a ticket now lol Not sure you are allowed to complain much until you post with a non-NPC corp main instead of random NPC forum alt. Sorry no alt just quite new and taking my time. I also quite like the folks ive met in the starter corp so why hustle off? Nice troll attempt tho but not the best. Playing eve the way i want, doing what i fancy at the tine lol. Obvious code alts are obvious. Stop being terrible. /thread The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Renard Solo Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2015.01.27 10:48:51 - [115] - Quote Nope sorry this is my main, bad troll baaaad lol
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 112	Posted - 2015.01.27 11:23:14 - [116] - Quote Vapor Ventrillian wrote: 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) 1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us?
hellyeaz Systems High Guard Circle-Of-Two 2	Posted - 2015.01.30 08:48:13 - [117] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Vapor Ventrillian wrote: 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) 1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us? You people o.O can learn from Tisi. Yea, number 3 made me chuckle. I may be the least effective of all enforcers, and i still find more aspirants than i can deal with each day. No padding needed when afkers offer up opprotunities all day.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 593	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:08:09 - [118] - Quote Tyyler DURden wrote: Sonne7 wrote: when ISD remove a post is there anyway to see who it was from 1. The first rule about forum moderation, we don't talk about forum moderation. 2. The second rule about forum moderation,we DON'T talk about forum moderation. I don't know what you are talking about. Only that I've never heard it. And you've never said it. And that these posts do not exist. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vector Symian 0 Fear 364	Posted - 2015.02.08 00:30:58 - [119] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Vapor Ventrillian wrote: 1-language barriers 2-they plex and don't give a crappers 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance 4-risk vs profit closer to gank systems you go the more ore you will find 5- they believe that the A.G will defend them (They are a long ways from that) 1. Don't be rude, talk to them in their language. Also, the new order has a number of interpreters in it's employ (myself included), I'm sure they would be able to assist, for a fee. 2. If you buy plex, why mine? If they don't give a (naughty word. Watch it, remember the code of conduct), why should you? 3. Where did you get such a spiffing tinfoil hat? 4. So they consciously made that choice then, why are you in effect punishing the ones who chose to protect themselves by going elsewhere? 5. When do you expect to be able to stop us? Hello as vapor is on vacation currently ill answer 1- You apply a fee!?...well first mistake, and this was a point made in multiple chat conversation with those who English is not their fist language your message is not reaching them many of them have no idea 2- Mining is a gentle pastime so that one may watch the stars and philosophise on life and space.. oh and build the ships being thrown away in mass daily. 3- hmmm didn't really refute the point and everyone know copper works better... 4- the point is that CCP have protections in place and they are not being honoured and you are demanding (with out correct filtration) from ALL of high sec miners and haulers that you need a permit...oh and how is VENTURE hunting going (oh lawdy) 5- stop code?...hmmm don't know ask the spias in your organisation. stop ganking? never and I would not want too, what I would like is a little more respect between the Gs and the A.Gs but your radicals are deliberately feeding the greifing being inflicted on the otherwise bantering moderates in both the parties
poster Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.02.08 01:49:41 - [120] - Quote Here is one problem I have, Code isn't the only one ganking. So unless you intend to muscle other gankers out of the area, which lets be honest we both know you won't, it makes the permit useless and just some random clutter in the bio. To which leads me to another question what is stopping a person in code from making you buy a permit and just ganking you on an alt . One could say oh but the honor system blah blah blah. That honor is tied to that code agent not their alt. Face it code if there was a goal to get people into low and null you did a terrible job and created the opposite.

Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.02.08 02:14:34 - [121] - Quote poster wrote: Here is one problem I have, Code isn't the only one ganking. So unless you intend to muscle other gankers out of the area, which lets be honest we both know you won't, it makes the permit useless and just some random clutter in the bio. To which leads me to another question what is stopping a person in code from making you buy a permit and just ganking you on an alt . One could say oh but the honor system blah blah blah. That honor is tied to that code agent not their alt. Face it code if there was a goal to get people into low and null you did a terrible job and created the opposite. Interesting. You complain how the permit doesn't work because you can still be ganked, then in the same breath complain that ganking won't get people out of highsec. Which is it? People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Cagali Cagali, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
poster Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.08 03:12:26 - [122] - Quote To be honest the permit was just my opinion and where I see a flaw in it. The reason I brought up the second point, well from what I've read on miner bumping, its suppose to be a war against afk people and bots, while trying to make high sec better. Yet it comes down to do as I say not as I do. Its screamed at the top of veterans lungs go to low and null for combat ect. While these groups doing the yelling continue to stay in high sec and creating content for people. Why should I go to low sec or null when I can just join code and bam I can gank a freighter whenever and I can gank miners. Might be weak content but its still content. If you are going to run under the guise of creating a better high sec list reasons why, this for for any group by the way. Don't use that as an excuse to gank people. If you are going to gank people for fun and tears just say you are ganking, not oh we have this five point plan as to why we are doing it. I have tried ganking in high sec didn't really fit my cup of tea.
hellyeaz Systems High Guard Circle-Of-Two 3	Posted - 2015.02.08 08:07:23 - [123] - Quote poster wrote: If you are going to run under the guise of creating a better high sec list reasons why. The reasons are listed, on the minerbumping site, and have been since the beginning. You should read it before trying to pick it apart. Ignorance of the CODE is no excuse for bad posting. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html?m=1
Karla the Careless Beyond Reproach 0	Posted - 2015.02.08 16:28:44 - [124] - Quote hellyeaz wrote: poster wrote: If you are going to run under the guise of creating a better high sec list reasons why. The reasons are listed, on the minerbumping site, and have been since the beginning. You should read it before trying to pick it apart. Ignorance of the CODE is no excuse for bad posting. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html?m=1 Your code will apply to me when CCP bows down to little jimmy and unequivocally states that hisec is code space and renames every system code this, code that, and code the other thing. Until then code can sit and spin.....
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 133	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:55:32 - [125] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ganking is explicitly illegal, and leads to punishment at the hands of the police. It is absolutely against the law in New Eden and a crime...this is trivial. What's your point? Ganking is an allowed playstyle, one that is explicitly allowed to happen by CCP; as such it can only be considered illegal for lore and roleplay purposes. For all other purposes it is a legitimate and permitted playstyle. Your pathetic moral crusade is pointless btw. Go find another windmill to tilt at, the foundations of this one are far more substantial than you imagine. That's like saying shoplifting is an "allowed playstyle" in real life. Illegal acts are by definition not "allowed." Not in real life, no. But in a video game? Take Grand Theft Auto, as an example. Is it illegal to steal cars in that game? Yes. Is it a game designed so that players sometimes HAVE to steal cars in order to accomplish a mission, and therefore not only make the playstyle, allowed, but also necessary? Yes.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 133	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:58:18 - [126] - Quote Karla the Careless wrote: hellyeaz wrote: poster wrote: If you are going to run under the guise of creating a better high sec list reasons why. The reasons are listed, on the minerbumping site, and have been since the beginning. You should read it before trying to pick it apart. Ignorance of the CODE is no excuse for bad posting. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html?m=1 Your code will apply to me when CCP bows down to little jimmy and unequivocally states that hisec is code space and renames every system code this, code that, and code the other thing. Until then code can sit and spin..... Youre free to ignore the code, as is anyone. And the gankers are free to kill your ship. But dont go complaining when your ship gets ganked.
Karla the Careless Beyond Reproach 0	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:44:41 - [127] - Quote [/quote] Youre free to ignore the code, as is anyone. And the gankers are free to kill your ship. But dont go complaining when your ship gets ganked. [/quote] The gankers are going to anyway, code or not, permit or not. I am not going to send any paltry sum or comply with any code coming from a tinpot dictat.... er, organization that I have no vested interest in. So, until CCP bows down to little jimmie and renames all hi-sec code this, code that, or code the other thing, the sit and spin thing still applies.
hellyeaz Systems High Guard Circle-Of-Two 3	Posted - 2015.02.09 07:10:01 - [128] - Quote Karla the Careless wrote: The gankers are going to anyway, code or not, permit or not. I am not going to send any paltry sum or comply with any code coming from a tinpot dictat.... er, organization that I have no vested interest in. So, until CCP bows down to little jimmie and renames all hi-sec code this, code that, or code the other thing, the sit and spin thing still applies. That is a lot of repressed anger, over a game even. Miner calm yourself please. Contact me in game for your permit purchase. The cost is 10 million isk, plus an additional 10 million 'whiner' fee. Get compliant today!
Karla the Careless Beyond Reproach 1	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:20:55 - [129] - Quote hellyeaz wrote: Karla the Careless wrote: The gankers are going to anyway, code or not, permit or not. I am not going to send any paltry sum or comply with any code coming from a tinpot dictat.... er, organization that I have no vested interest in. So, until CCP bows down to little jimmie and renames all hi-sec code this, code that, or code the other thing, the sit and spin thing still applies. That is a lot of repressed anger, over a game even. Miner calm yourself please. Contact me in game for your permit purchase. The cost is 10 million isk, plus an additional 10 million 'whiner' fee. Get compliant today! Dream on, dream on. Not .01 ISK to you or any other sheeple in wolves clothing. I am not whining, I am not paying. You may continue to sit and spin.......
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 902	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:47:13 - [130] - Quote Vapor Ventrillian wrote: 3-they are code and are simply fleshing out their kill boards so they can remain in the upper echelons of their alliance LOL what? I'm a Code corp CEO and my killboard is S***. What are you talking about? Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.



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