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Xune Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains	Posted - 2006.09.22 18:47:00 - [31] Originally by: vile56 well since u belive pirates should ransom always and u like to rp. here is a idea, make a 15 day pirate alt, go to lowsec, have said alt attack your ship at a belt, ransom yourself, accidetly pod yourself, whine more on forums that after u got ransomed(which u wanted) he didnt honor it. because u made this topic i have a big feelin that u will be ransomed and then it will be dishonored. why should somone dishonor a ransom ? just absolutly idiots and........ ummm... (censorded) do that.
Risa Sunletter	Posted - 2006.09.22 19:00:00 - [32] I was Pirated for the first time a Few days ago. I was really steamed over the way it all went down. Now I'm not against the Pirate way or anything like that. I was Ratting in a .4 belt and low and behold I see two angry red blips heading my way, so like any other crusier I get ready for a fight, I target and send them a few kisses from the launchers but 2v1 I was no match for them, no big deal good gank on their part. But what I was expecting was to be sitting there with 10% hull and a ransom convo coming my way. I was not to be. All I got was the sound of Auto-Cannons and I was sitting in my pod before I knew it. Me in my defenceless Pod thought the kill was comming but again this Pirate didn't reward me. So off I warped to my station and picked up a new ship. I was really mad that these two "Pirates" didn't want a ransom or a pod kill, it's the pirate way right ?. no all they wanted was a T1 Osprey and a bunch of worthless T1 rat loot. What Gives. This is not what I wanted for my first Pirate experence.
Portios Smith Gallente Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.22 19:05:00 - [33] I always ransom when solo, a successful ransom is one of my favorite EVE moments. My corpm8ts however are a bunch of blood thirsty loonatics, tring to ransom with them is like going fishing with a bunch of cats... no fish gets back in the water
vile56	Posted - 2006.09.22 19:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Xune Originally by: vile56 well since u belive pirates should ransom always and u like to rp. here is a idea, make a 15 day pirate alt, go to lowsec, have said alt attack your ship at a belt, ransom yourself, accidetly pod yourself, whine more on forums that after u got ransomed(which u wanted) he didnt honor it. because u made this topic i have a big feelin that u will be ransomed and then it will be dishonored. why should somone dishonor a ransom ? just absolutly idiots and........ ummm... (censorded) do that. because the op made a big deal about it, since its a big deal to the op they can exploit it. and there are those that just dont care. read this forum and u shall find those people
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.22 20:19:00 - [35] Linkage --- --- --- my sig is pr0
Dease Nautes	Posted - 2006.09.22 20:37:00 - [36] My theory is that it is a result of the current fundamental flaw in EVE PvP- stargates. They focus all the travel and result in quick-twitch one-volley sniping and gatecamping. Obviously there is no time for a ransom- then the habit spreads. For most, piracy is more about getting killmails and stretching your e-peen nowadays.
X ChaosX Caldari Panzershrek	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:23:00 - [37] Originally by: zRofl Waffles Originally by: Mikkel Lybecker Edited by: Mikkel Lybecker on 22/09/2006 15:14:46 * I speak English. I understand a ransom attempt. snip to save space EVE has the potential to be an epic space adventure that puts the likes of Elite/Frontier, Privateer etc as well as all other MMORPGs to shame, but most so-called 'pirates' play EVE like Space Invaders with prettier graphics. Yes EvE has a TON of roleplaying opportunities. Just alot of people, like myself, do not want to roleplay. I don't find it very fun and thats why games like WoW or EQ aren't fun to me, I don't care about character developement. I care about winning because that is what is fun for me. Yes I can still have fun and lose, but not nearly as much fun when I win. If I beat a cruiser with a battleship, I still have fun. Another thing is you are confusing pirates with PvP'ers. Pirates fight for the ransom, PvP'ers fight for the kill. And you don't have to be a 100% pirate or pvper. I can ransom one guy in a frig and blow up a battleship instead of ransoming because I feel like it, and vice versa. Sorry, alt post, stupid forums. ______________________________________________ Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
zRofl Waffles	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Mikkel Lybecker Edited by: Mikkel Lybecker on 22/09/2006 15:14:46 * I speak English. I understand a ransom attempt. snip to save space EVE has the potential to be an epic space adventure that puts the likes of Elite/Frontier, Privateer etc as well as all other MMORPGs to shame, but most so-called 'pirates' play EVE like Space Invaders with prettier graphics. Yes EvE has a TON of roleplaying opportunities. Just alot of people, like myself, do not want to roleplay. I don't find it very fun and thats why games like WoW or EQ aren't fun to me, I don't care about character developement. I care about winning because that is what is fun for me. Yes I can still have fun and lose, but not nearly as much fun when I win. If I beat a cruiser with a battleship, I still have fun. Another thing is you are confusing pirates with PvP'ers. Pirates fight for the ransom, PvP'ers fight for the kill. And you don't have to be a 100% pirate or pvper. I can ransom one guy in a frig and blow up a battleship instead of ransoming because I feel like it, and vice versa.
Ildryn	Posted - 2006.09.22 22:27:00 - [39] Hello im your adverage Carebear....yeah i know.... Anyway I would accept a Random within reason...Im about a month old and fly a caracal....if i were asked for 1-3 million i would accept that as my mods cost just a bit over 2 and i can buy Caracals for 1 million.... The one ransom i received was for 20 million...ive never had over 9 million since ive started playing...so that is why some carebears dont accept...its nowhere near within reason (granted some lie and say they are broke when they have over 100 mill in their wallet...) Those of your that actually ransom try lowering the price to something more realistic and maybe you will start seeing more traffic...as it stands i wont go near low sec because of this
Portios Smith Gallente Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.22 23:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Kindakrof Linkage It made me lol so hard
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.23 00:53:00 - [41] Edited by: Lifewire on 23/09/2006 00:54:06 @topic creator: To know why ransoms dont happen much you have to take a look into the game mechanics: First thing you have to see is that belt piracy got pretty useless after the missions were coded for EVE and emptied the belts. So good places to ransom people, the belts, are empty! Second thing you have to see is that people in the belts have maybe some good items and some might even have good implants and would be willing to pay a toll, but if you compare the possible income to gate piracy (people move billions of ISK in haulers), then you will see that gate piracy pays much better! So in the end gate piracy offers a better income. But on gates, and this is the third thing you have to see, it is not easy to toll people. Sentry guns do hurt! There i no time to toll people! And they often hit the mwd or keep approaching the gate in their pods or ships. Today we tolled 3 people. To be able to toll them we needed a carrier!!!!!!! Only a captal ship tanks long enough to do a enjoyable toll at a gate! So we have to risk 1,5 bil ISK just to get maybe 20 mil. Get this! We risk 1,5 bil to be able to toll people! So we really try everything to toll and ransom, but the game mechanics are not our fault! I proposed long ago to code a "strike colors button" to offer an option for any traveller to give up before his ship gets shot down. But CCP in its wisdom keeps coding new ships or shipclasses. However - no. 4 you have to see is that there are simply gankers in this game that enjoy killing without ransoms or pirates that focud on loot. They dont want to waste time with upset customers and just kill them. N0. 5 you have to see is that once you run a successfull gatecamp, local will fill with pods and 90% of these people are simply smacktalkers. You don¦t want to listen to them. SO to pod them is a clean option. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Mikkel Lybecker Minmatar Doomheim	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:55:00 - [42] Ransoming would be a luxury, but not a necessity to have a good time. I'd settle just for some occasional RP'ed CONVERSATION. True, real pirates back in the day didn't ransom a whole lot. But they were also a very vocal bunch of people. They typically had a few words to say while they were killing and pillaging. Notoriously so, in fact. I do realise some people just play to win. (How can I not - these people are everywhere, in my face constantly) Playing EVE just to win and score points is like going to a brothel just to pay your money, have a conversation and then leave. Sure, it can certainly be fun, and if that's what you like to do then all the best to you, but did you ever feel that you're missing out on something...? Anyway I'm totally over whining about it, time to get proactive. I'm going to delete this character and start a new pirate one, to show you all how it's done. Will I 'win'? Probably not. Will I pirate with some style? Hell yeah. And I'll keep my 10m ISK. No-one claimed it in the game... -- Mikkel Lybecker
Garan Savlar Gallente Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.23 07:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Lifewire So in the end gate piracy offers a better income. But on gates, and this is the third thing you have to see, it is not easy to toll people. Sentry guns do hurt! There i no time to toll people! And they often hit the mwd or keep approaching the gate in their pods or ships. Today we tolled 3 people. To be able to toll them we needed a carrier!!!!!!! Only a capital ship tanks long enough to do an enjoyable toll at a gate! So we have to risk 1,5 bil ISK just to get maybe 20 mil. Get this! We risk 1,5 bil to be able to toll people! So we really try everything to toll and ransom, but the game mechanics are not our fault! Well you could go down to 0.0 and set up a toll gate camp there. Mikkel ... like you, I like a bit of roleplaying but I'm afraid that - whilst there's a lot of potential for it - there isn't much of it in Eve ... which is a real shame. You've only got to look at some of the stupid names people use for their characters to see that. But I have to agree that the pirates may be onto a loser with ransoming because, as has been stated, so few people pay them. It's a Catch 22 situation as has been stated elsewhere ... if someone is willing to pay a ransom then there is a fair possibility they have something onboard they don't want to lose and that something will probably be very valuable. So do you, as a pirate, except the ransom or destroy the ship for the potential of more valuable loot? Who knows ... I know that there are role-playng Corps out there ... track them down and join. ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Kindakrof Linkage u are my hero wcs sucks tbh owned !
Tecam Hund Minmatar The Buggers	Posted - 2006.09.23 09:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Mikkel Lybecker Anyway I'm totally over whining about it, time to get proactive. I'm going to delete this character and start a new pirate one, to show you all how it's done. Will I 'win'? Probably not. Will I pirate with some style? Hell yeah. And I'll keep my 10m ISK. No-one claimed it in the game... Don't delete your character. You will need a hauling alt to buy stuff from high sec before too long. Good luck.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.23 10:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Lifewire on 23/09/2006 10:03:44 Quote: Well you could go down to 0.0 and set up a toll gate camp there. We did this for 2 years together with our friends the Teddybears. I guess we tolled more than 1000 people in FD-MLJ or close to this system. But 0.0 folks have been educated to have no implants. Also their alliances do not allow them to pay a toll and if it gets public that they payed, they will will kicked out of alliance. Also alliances tend to use "fakes" to keep pirates busy and then jump in with a huge blob. But you are right: when there is time and no blob on the other side of the gate i would allways try to ransom in 0.0. Not to try it means to waste money. I experienced roundabout 5% of tolled pods are willing to pay. So ransom no.20 will bring 20-30 mil ISK. Quick and clean ISK. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Keiko Mishiuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 15:26:00 - [47] Hahahaha. I just got popped in my shuttle and podded by Lifewire half an hour ago. He didn't say a word until I convoed him after, and then he closed that, too. Just the same as all the rest... ----------------------------------------------
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:44:00 - [48] Quote: I just got popped in my shuttle and podded by Lifewire half an hour ago. He didn't say a word until I convoed him after, and then he closed that, too. Just the same as all the rest... Hm, my waprscrambler does not have 170 km range, so how can i toll you? Should i be at the gate??? Then the tolling chat would be very short:"Pay toll, you have 3 seconds to pay! 3,2,1", popp! Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Keiko Mishiuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 17:07:00 - [49] The toll isn't the point. I didn't say anything about a toll. Read my post again and see if you can work out what I'm trying to say to you. ----------------------------------------------
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:14:00 - [50] Edited by: Lifewire on 23/09/2006 18:14:20 Quote: The toll isn't the point. I didn't say anything about a toll. Read my post again and see if you can work out what I'm trying to say to you. Ah "the shuttle-killers are lame"-story. Shuttles have cargoholds, don¦t they. Rancer has a school, or? So what is to be expected in at least some of the shuttles??? Bingo - and now you know why you got 7 x 425mm directly into your coc_kpit. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Keiko Mishiuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:34:00 - [51] No - I wasn't saying or implying that shuttle-killers were lame. You're even further off the track this time than with the last reply. Never mind. ----------------------------------------------
spRAYed Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:50:00 - [52] Ok perfect example of a conversation of someone. Who REJECTED my convo, but did manage to speak in local, with perfect english. Please take the time to read, not gonna take longer then a minut. Here U Go Now i laughed about that. I died that same evening aswell because i got ganked by a load of other pirates in my Ishkur. I loose ships aswell. The same way he did. Carebears need to stop thinking they only loose ships to us and we never loose anything. And the worst thing...i forgot to ask for his stuff.. ------------------------------ pArlT? Ur watching too many movies dude... ^Sig by Liu Mang
Rumorsky Gallente Panzershrek	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:15:00 - [53] Some pirate, Just want to kill you, They don't really care to much about your ship or anything, Why? Because when they do try to ask for money, The guy say a bunch of stuff and **** the pirate off even more. me? I have got much better at Pop up a cov with them and asking for money, If they are going they are going to start scream and yell at me, I'm going to say nevermine and blow up there ship. Like last night, All i did was lock on to this guy and warp Scam him, He Invite me to a Cov and said what do you want?! I will give you anything, I asked for 10mill He happyly send it over to me and i let him go on his way. ^_^ I love roleplay <3 it's a good part of this game.
Zack Dai	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:51:00 - [54] Somebody might have already mentioned this but not everyone who blows your ship up is a "pirate". Now and then when I'm bored I'll go through low sec and just randomly kill people, I wouldn't call myself a pirate and because of that I would never bother ransoming. But then that leads to the subject of just what is a pirate? Which I think has been discussed to death already so I'll leave it at that.
Kye Kenshin Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Zack Dai Somebody might have already mentioned this but not everyone who blows your ship up is a "pirate". Now and then when I'm bored I'll go through low sec and just randomly kill people, I wouldn't call myself a pirate and because of that I would never bother ransoming. But then that leads to the subject of just what is a pirate? Which I think has been discussed to death already so I'll leave it at that. Damn char select! My alt above. www.beaglecorp.com \| Join "BEAGLEPUBLIC" channel ingame.
Ridley Tree	Posted - 2006.09.24 02:41:00 - [56] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 24/09/2006 02:45:06 Edited by: Ridley Tree on 24/09/2006 02:44:50 Originally by: Mikkel Lybecker I do realise some people just play to win. (How can I not - these people are everywhere, in my face constantly) Playing EVE just to win and score points is like going to a brothel just to pay your money, have a conversation and then leave. Sure, it can certainly be fun, and if that's what you like to do then all the best to you, but did you ever feel that you're missing out on something...? You've got it a bit wrong. Playing EVE just to win and score points is like going to a brothel just to pay your money and enjoy the carnal pleasure. Playing EVE to roleplay is like going to the brothel, paying the money and chatting and then taking some carnal pleasure. A lot of people don't get any enjoyment out of the conversation.
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.24 03:45:00 - [57] What, did you think "pirate" was synonomous with "samurai" or something? There's nothing honorable about being a pirate. I kill people and take their stuff. I don't look for challenging fights. I look for weak victims who will just roll over and die for me. _________________________________________________________
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.09.24 04:19:00 - [58] hostoricaly pirates killed first almost always. this notion of the honorable was something rommance novles and disney movies based off of a theme park ride got you. honorable pirate = dead in .1-.4 space more so. Most pirates dont use cargo scanners so who knows that shuttle of yours might have soemthing valuable. back on my old account before i quit we had to move all BPO's out of 0.0 space and we did so in shuttles because they will almost always be targeted last ina group do to low threat and long lock time. though podding you ina shuttle makes sense. most people see a noob in a shuttle they think alt sent to find thier positions. Ps before someone cries noob understand this me coming back to the game after a 1 year break and wanting to start fresh.
Keiko Mishiuri Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.24 05:07:00 - [59] I certainly wouldn't expect pirates to be honourable. I don't think a single person who posted here suggested that pirates were honourable. Because they're not. Pirates are scum who should be podded and swept away with the garbage, everybody knows this. I'm glad that you're all unanimous about this and that all the pirates here realise their place. The pirate rehab programs must be working. I would, however, expect pirates to TALK, not all the time but at least SOMETIMES have something VAGUELY INTERSTING TO SAY. Hey if they don't want to talk before they pod me, because they just HAVE to get that kill, and opening a comm channel wastes precious seconds that they could be using to lock onto my empty shuttle, then that's just fine. But what about after the event, when I open up the comm channel? Come on, where's your style? Stop making excuses to not be entertaining. Do you really love the pirate lifestyle, or are you a robot who does what your master says? Why do you pirate? Sure you're 'winning' and getting loot, but there are other ways to win and get loot too (most of which are far more efficient or at least far more reliable and less risky), so why piracy? If you think you're a pirate, and you like your little pirate smileys, then let's see some ideological committment to piracy when I start talking to you. Or let's see some committment to something, ANYTHING, even some ideological committment to making my life miserable will do. These days when a pirate pods me (which is often), the main emotion I feel is not danger, excitement or thirst for revenge, but boredom. Back to waking up in the clone bay again - yawn, stretch... oh, I got podded in my empty shuttle again? Just in time for dinner. I actually opened up a comm on Lifewire to thank him. I told him that I was on a very long trip back to home base, and that by him podding my empty shuttle I got within 1 jump away instantly. He thought I was making a joke, and he closed the channel. I wasn't joking. By getting back to my base nice and fast, I was able to be more quickly available to my allies for... an anti-pirate operation... ---------------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tor Anasa	Posted - 2006.09.24 06:03:00 - [60] Okay the reason people don't talk when they pirate is that a large group of players (Seemingly composed of older characters in large alliances....)yell "OMG SMACKTALK!!11" whenever a pirate says anything in local or in a convo. For example as the op said: "prepare to die, carebear scum." this would probably be considered smacktalk by some players and thus worthy of the players coming back with friends, alts, etc. Also most pirates are used to the general carebearing response of "ZOMG I HAD NOTHING AND YOU KILLED ME YOU %^*#&%@!!!!1111!!" or the slightly more civilised "WTF did you do that for?! i had nothing in my hauler!" and will assume that your convo will be nothing different from the barrage they normally get. The reason people don't ransom is because; 1. The only place you can really find people in low sec is at the gates. You can't tank sentries for long enough to ransom really. 2. If you ever do sucessfully ransom anything, you curse yourself because you think the ship had really valuable cargo/fittings. 3. People hardly ever pay ransoms. 3a. Its hard to know what the ransom should be, sure your character may be 15 days old in a hauler, but you could be an alt hauling implants, skillbooks, etc. 3b. I don't know about you, but i don't have a spare midslot to fit 2 scanners to find out what the ship is fitted with and carrying... From the op: I'm convinced that most so-called 'pirates' just gank anything they can for some sort of perverse power kick, perhaps to compensate for a lack of power in their real lives, kind of like a schoolyard bully who gets abused at home by his parents, because I can't really see what else they could possibly be getting out of it. Uh, no. I kill things for the loot that they drop and the slight, small chance that the ship i attack will put up a more interesting fight then npcs (Like a certain curse did the other day..) Your fundamental misunderstanding is that you seem to think pirates need to ransom. Pirating is solely making money off other players by attacking them. As it stands it is simply safer and sometimes more profitable (The old thread about the shuttle that dropped a CNR blueprint anyone?) then ransoming. OKay on another topic, killboards. The reason i use a killboard is to track progress. Also my corp pays for certain kills and the killboard is used to track this. And btw, Roleplaying pirates? good luck. If you want to have fun with pirates join an anti-pirate corp or something. That will give you more interaction with pirates generally. Tor

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